There is no communist-style centralized resource allocation department. Everyone just does what they want.
And if a bunch of people want to do something that you think is re-inventing the wheel, why not let them? After all: "Linux? We already have Unixen that work fine. Why re-invent the wheel?"
I have a feeling I will regret this... Ok, please, please don't flame me. Maybe somebody can help me out because I have used all the resources I know of and am at my wits end. I'm new to Linux. I've installed it on two computers thus far and I'm having trouble with a device. I can't get my Diamond 500 AGP vid card a Linux driver. I've dl'd it at work to a win 98 zip disk and I have a zip disk on the Linux computer with the AGP card. Is there a way it can read the win98 formatted disk to copy the driver over? I would just dl it via modem on the Linux computer but I can't get the modem config'd right. I've done the usenet thing and tried other options, read a few different sections out of borrowed books but I'm stuck. This is my last resort to post to/. cause this isn't the "proper" place to ask for help. Sorry. Can anyone offer me an URL or some idea of where to go for help? I have no unix friends so I feel alone w/o help in this.
hear hear. could have helped with blender?
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Posted by Saurus:
maybe he would have helped stopped the promotion of blender before they decided on a license.
i think blender was destined for GPL until malda's enthusiastic promotion despite the fact that they were still deciding on the license.
Man, a year and a half ago, I was a wire service hack covering politics. I could barely surf the Web. I hated gadgets.
Now, I'm talking with folks who are developing a single set of code libraries for LSB, I can tear apart my testing box and put it back together (and have it run), I can write stories about hackers and Linux without getting flamed and spammed back to the stone ages...and I love gadgets. I've been reviewing one of those Windows CE Clio devices...clever little thing. This article made me drool.
I had a realization today. An epiphany, if you will. I... am a nerd.
Gotta go. My world-view is getting a little shaken up at the moment. I want to go hug a Linux box.
Sure, Bill can point out Linux as a potential competitor, but I'm reasonably sure that's for the DOJ to hear, not us. I think his comments in this article are closer to what he really thinks.
And yes, I believe he really thinks that, or has convinced himself of that. Microsoft's internal development is totally in "cathedral" mode, and in the past year or so, hasn't been able to keep up with Windows 2000 design and other stuff. But I think Gates, who built his fortune on a proprietary model, just can't wrap his mind around the concept.
"That knowledge engine rearranged data into forms that coupled effortlessly with my perceptual apparatus."
Heh.
Before the part about "remote viewing", I was merely unimpressed by the verbose and overly dramatic writing. After, I was laughing too hard to read. Where do we find these people?
Before the part about "remote viewing", I was merely unimpressed by the verbose and overly dramatic writing. Afterwards, I was laughing too hard to read.
When you are a memner of a special community there is almost a need for some arrogance otherwise you would not feel that it is a special community. People from outside see it as arrogance while people inside see it as something special, and incidentlty, something to treasure.
Knowing and using Linux is a little bit like knowing and using Latin. It is unique and special and not everyone does it.
Does the knowledge of Latin make doctors and Catholic priests arrogant? No, but it does cast them in a special class. Does being a member of a boy scout troop make a boy arrogant? No, but some may argue that it makes him a better person, someone who is willing to apply himself for personal growth.
Being a member of the Linux community when viewed from outside makes you a member of a special club. One that has a special language and is a society onto itself. In some ways, even though there is nothing to hide, it looks like a secret society to those who do not know the language. No wonder they see an arrogance.
I know this is a rumor, but come on! Lucas has been pretty nice about not being a bastard about fan sites, etc., but you had better believe he would descend with all the Fury of Hell on anyone who was trying to show a bootleg copy of PM. If we have heard it, so has he and his lawyers.
If this even exists (which I, for one, seriously doubt) then no one will ever see it.
Getting embroiled with the core of the open-source community on something as petty as this, seems similar to getting involved in a land war in south-east Asia. With many of the industry's best and brightest putting their weight and wisdom behind the open-source movement, it strikes me that you may have seriously underestimated (and now offended) this community.
Make a reasonable offer for the domain name. You obviously have the money, you just chose the wrong way to spend it.
Remember... User Friendly was not the only one to get this letter. Seg Fault and Be Dope did as well. I don't read Seg Fault much, but I can say that I don't recall Be Dope ever picking on Star Wars.
It seems that the folks over at Be Dope (a BeOS-centric parody site) got the same letter. There is an article on their site about it.
IMO, this points the finger right back at Microsoft. I can't imagine why AT&T or AOL would have any problem with Be Dope. Microsoft, on the other hand, has been the focus of several articles over there.
Anyway, see http://www.bedope.com/ for more details.
I like RMS. We've traded e-mails about GNU and Linux and this whole debate after one of my Linux stories ran and I didn't reference "GNU/Linux" throughout. He tried to convince me to change my site's entire style, but I can't and won't. People know it as Linux, and I won't confuse them because someone feels he's been given short shrift.
I think RMS does indeed feel left out, in a way, because of Linux' rampant popularity. But he shouldn't. The FSF did a great job with GNOME 1.0, and he's definitely got something with his views on intellectual property. I don't think RMS is any kind of has-been looking for his fair share of past glory.
THAT having been said...Linux is Linux, and trying to relabel the damn thing is counterproductive. Everybody wants Linux to succeed, but having RMS snipe at people for forgetting to place the GNU in front just won't help.
I fully believe in credit where credit is due. RMS and his GNU project have done some pretty incredible things. But this whole name game just makes him look like a cranky has-been rather than the dynamic, thoughtful visionary that he was, is and should be.
As for accusations of arrogance...well, yeah. The folks on here, and to a certain extent, programmers in general, are very proud of their abilities, and rightfully so. But for some, that ability also brings out a disdain for those who don't have it. If y'all want Linux to succeed, you will, at times, be forced to look at ineptitude in the face...and smile. Then help the people learn.
I really seems funny to me that RIAA is really going ape about MP3. They are worrying about piracy in MP3 form, but are not really worried about the $1 burnable CDs. I for one have burned every CD that I had before MP3 came along and gave out copies to friends. It is just like tapes. The only reason they are really pissed is that the MP3 portable players are now out and the non-techies can now have MP3. Of course this sure sounds like a SPA revival to me and we all know what happened there...
I saw RMS talking in London a couple of nights ago. I couldn't help feeling he was being a bit over-the-top with the moral crusade aspect of Linux (sorry, GNU/Linux). He was very insistent that it was everyones moral duty to not only use Linux, but make sure every app you run has the saintly blessing of being released under the GPL.
Strangely enough, he doesn't see anything strange about releasing an OS for Intel machines, despite Intel using slave-labour in Malaysia.
1. Try using Altavista to find MP3 search engines. 2. Use the MP3 search engines to find the MP3 sites. 3. Use FTP to hammer the MP3 site until you get in. 4. Then download all you want.
This isn't from the "egg-on-their-face" department. It's from the "they-were-led-astray-by-ESR" department.
Want a real app benchmark? You got it.
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Posted by wonderpop:
Try this one on for size. Adobe Photoshop 4.01, running an action involving mode conversion, shadows, blurs, and a whole slew of other things, on a 50 meg file, on a Compaq 400, G3/233(basically an iMac), G3/300 and G3 350, all configured as close to equal as possibel(RAM, cache, HD, etc.). The Compaq lost, by a significant margin, to all the machines, including the 233, whixh, as I stated before, is basically a Rev A & B iMac. Now then, I know this isn't Linux, but I have LinuxPPC running on my machine(a G3/233, coincidentally) at home, and it SCREAMS. Not to mention that other forms of Unix, such as NetBSD, run at a fast clip, on an SE/30, which came out in the eighties.
Sorry if I came off as a little rude, I have nothing against questions on slashdot. I have nothing against questions on slashdot where the answers are apparent in the documentation. But off-topic questions on slashdot where the answers are apparent in the documentation? Ugh.
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Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
There is no communist-style centralized resource allocation department. Everyone just does what they want.
And if a bunch of people want to do something that you think is re-inventing the wheel, why not let them? After all: "Linux? We already have Unixen that work fine. Why re-invent the wheel?"
Posted by ReticularActivatingSystem:
/. cause this isn't the "proper" place to ask for help. Sorry. Can anyone offer me an URL or some idea of where to go for help? I have no unix friends so I feel alone w/o help in this.
I have a feeling I will regret this...
Ok, please, please don't flame me. Maybe somebody can help me out because I have used all the resources I know of and am at my wits end.
I'm new to Linux. I've installed it on two computers thus far and I'm having trouble with a device.
I can't get my Diamond 500 AGP vid card a Linux driver. I've dl'd it at work to a win 98 zip disk and I have a zip disk on the Linux computer with the AGP card. Is there a way it can read the win98 formatted disk to copy the driver over? I would just dl it via modem on the Linux computer but I can't get the modem config'd right.
I've done the usenet thing and tried other options, read a few different sections out of borrowed books but I'm stuck. This is my last resort to post to
Posted by Saurus:
maybe he would have helped stopped the promotion of blender before they decided on a license.
i think blender was destined for GPL until malda's enthusiastic promotion despite the fact that they were still deciding on the license.
Posted by Mike@ABC:
... am a nerd.
Man, a year and a half ago, I was a wire service hack covering politics. I could barely surf the Web. I hated gadgets.
Now, I'm talking with folks who are developing a single set of code libraries for LSB, I can tear apart my testing box and put it back together (and have it run), I can write stories about hackers and Linux without getting flamed and spammed back to the stone ages...and I love gadgets. I've been reviewing one of those Windows CE Clio devices...clever little thing. This article made me drool.
I had a realization today. An epiphany, if you will. I
Gotta go. My world-view is getting a little shaken up at the moment. I want to go hug a Linux box.
Posted by Mike@ABC:
Sure, Bill can point out Linux as a potential competitor, but I'm reasonably sure that's for the DOJ to hear, not us. I think his comments in this article are closer to what he really thinks.
And yes, I believe he really thinks that, or has convinced himself of that. Microsoft's internal development is totally in "cathedral" mode, and in the past year or so, hasn't been able to keep up with Windows 2000 design and other stuff. But I think Gates, who built his fortune on a proprietary model, just can't wrap his mind around the concept.
Complacency breeds ignorance. Ignorance breeds FUD. 'Nuff said.
Posted by Fleeno:
Just like The Simpsons, it will only be *really* funny after about the first season, when other writers start helping!
Hopfully I won't cringe when I see a first-season Futurama rerun, like I do with The Simpsons.
Posted by Fimmtiu:
Bloody browser. Sigh.
"That knowledge engine rearranged data into forms that coupled effortlessly with my perceptual apparatus."
Heh.
Before the part about "remote viewing", I was merely unimpressed by the verbose and overly dramatic writing. After, I was laughing too hard to read. Where do we find these people?
Posted by Fimmtiu:
Before the part about "remote viewing", I was merely unimpressed by the verbose and overly dramatic writing. Afterwards, I was laughing too hard to read.
Where do we find these people?
Posted by The Incredible Mr. Limpett:
Just the fact that Keanu Reeves is in it pretty much says it has not plot...
Dude! Alright! Wow/Whoa! --his acting range.
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"Wars, conflict, it's all business. One murder makes a
villain. Millions a hero. Numbers sanctify."
Posted by wadageek:
When you are a memner of a special community there is almost a need for some arrogance otherwise you would not feel that it is a special community. People from outside see it as arrogance while people inside see it as something special, and incidentlty, something to treasure.
Knowing and using Linux is a little bit like knowing and using Latin. It is unique and special and not everyone does it.
Does the knowledge of Latin make doctors and Catholic priests arrogant? No, but it does cast them in a special class. Does being a member of a boy scout troop make a boy arrogant? No, but some may argue that it makes him a better person, someone who is willing to apply himself for personal growth.
Being a member of the Linux community when viewed from outside makes you a member of a special club. One that has a special language and is a society onto itself. In some ways, even though there is nothing to hide, it looks like a secret society to those who do not know the language. No wonder they see an arrogance.
Posted by Aelfgifu:
I know this is a rumor, but come on! Lucas has been pretty nice about not being a bastard about fan sites, etc., but you had better believe he would descend with all the Fury of Hell on anyone who was trying to show a bootleg copy of PM. If we have heard it, so has he and his lawyers.
If this even exists (which I, for one, seriously doubt) then no one will ever see it.
Heather
Posted by robradio:
Getting embroiled with the core of the open-source community on something as petty as this, seems similar to getting involved in a land war in south-east Asia. With many of the industry's best and brightest putting their weight and wisdom behind the open-source movement, it strikes me that you may have seriously underestimated (and now offended) this community.
Make a reasonable offer for the domain name. You obviously have the money, you just chose the wrong way to spend it.
virtually,
RobRadio@thenewbreed.com
Posted by Wayne Steele:
Remember... User Friendly was not the only one to get this letter. Seg Fault and Be Dope did as well. I don't read Seg Fault much, but I can say that I don't recall Be Dope ever picking on Star Wars.
Posted by Wayne Steele:
Even if Sun had a reason to go after User Friendly, why would Seg Fault and Be Dope get the same letter?
Posted by Wayne Steele:
Be Dope IS in America and they got the same letter...
http://www.bedope.com/
Posted by Wayne Steele:
Be Dope - http://www.bedope.com/ - got the same letter.
Posted by Wayne Steele:
It seems that the folks over at Be Dope (a BeOS-centric parody site) got the same letter. There is an article on their site about it.
IMO, this points the finger right back at Microsoft. I can't imagine why AT&T or AOL would have any problem with Be Dope. Microsoft, on the other hand, has been the focus of several articles over there.
Anyway, see http://www.bedope.com/ for more details.
Posted by Mike@ABC:
I like RMS. We've traded e-mails about GNU and Linux and this whole debate after one of my Linux stories ran and I didn't reference "GNU/Linux" throughout. He tried to convince me to change my site's entire style, but I can't and won't. People know it as Linux, and I won't confuse them because someone feels he's been given short shrift.
I think RMS does indeed feel left out, in a way, because of Linux' rampant popularity. But he shouldn't. The FSF did a great job with GNOME 1.0, and he's definitely got something with his views on intellectual property. I don't think RMS is any kind of has-been looking for his fair share of past glory.
THAT having been said...Linux is Linux, and trying to relabel the damn thing is counterproductive. Everybody wants Linux to succeed, but having RMS snipe at people for forgetting to place the GNU in front just won't help.
I fully believe in credit where credit is due. RMS and his GNU project have done some pretty incredible things. But this whole name game just makes him look like a cranky has-been rather than the dynamic, thoughtful visionary that he was, is and should be.
As for accusations of arrogance...well, yeah. The folks on here, and to a certain extent, programmers in general, are very proud of their abilities, and rightfully so. But for some, that ability also brings out a disdain for those who don't have it. If y'all want Linux to succeed, you will, at times, be forced to look at ineptitude in the face...and smile. Then help the people learn.
Again, this is just my opinion. I could be wrong.
Posted by Death Rider:
I really seems funny to me that RIAA is really going ape about MP3. They are worrying about piracy in MP3 form, but are not really worried about the $1 burnable CDs. I for one have burned every CD that I had before MP3 came along and gave out copies to friends. It is just like tapes. The only reason they are really pissed is that the MP3 portable players are now out and the non-techies can now have MP3.
Of course this sure sounds like a SPA revival to me and we all know what happened there...
Posted by ChristianC:
I saw RMS talking in London a couple of nights ago. I couldn't help feeling he was being a bit over-the-top with the moral crusade aspect of Linux (sorry, GNU/Linux).
He was very insistent that it was everyones moral duty to not only use Linux, but make sure every app you run has the saintly blessing of being released under the GPL.
Strangely enough, he doesn't see anything strange about releasing an OS for Intel machines, despite Intel using slave-labour in Malaysia.
Posted by Terminator:):
Try using time tested and proven formula.
1. Try using Altavista to find MP3 search engines. 2. Use the MP3 search engines to find the MP3 sites.
3. Use FTP to hammer the MP3 site until you get in.
4. Then download all you want.
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
This isn't from the "egg-on-their-face" department. It's from the "they-were-led-astray-by-ESR" department.
Posted by wonderpop:
Try this one on for size. Adobe Photoshop 4.01, running an action involving mode conversion, shadows, blurs, and a whole slew of other things, on a 50 meg file, on a Compaq 400, G3/233(basically an iMac), G3/300 and G3 350, all configured as close to equal as possibel(RAM, cache, HD, etc.). The Compaq lost, by a significant margin, to all the machines, including the 233, whixh, as I stated before, is basically a Rev A & B iMac. Now then, I know this isn't Linux, but I have LinuxPPC running on my machine(a G3/233, coincidentally) at home, and it SCREAMS. Not to mention that other forms of Unix, such as NetBSD, run at a fast clip, on an SE/30, which came out in the eighties.
Posted by OGL:
Sorry if I came off as a little rude, I have nothing against questions on slashdot. I have nothing against questions on slashdot where the answers are apparent in the documentation. But off-topic questions on slashdot where the answers are apparent in the documentation? Ugh.
-W.W.