I once followed a thread on CIS Forums comparing VB and Delphi. Wich turned out IMHO to comparrissing dick lengths. You'r two cents sound like a part of that thread.
You're at home late one night. Someone breaks into your house, someone who's much stronger than you, he has a nife, which he is certainly able to kill you with, and your family. What do you do?
You don't have a gun:
You try to dial 911 as he stabs you to death, or you try to run (that's if you have the time to do so), but to no avail.
You do have a gun:
You fire a shot, either a warning shot, or shoot the intruder. He flees, or is shot, you're safe.
Oh, did I mention, he may just have a gun? He's a criminal. Criminals break laws, including gun laws. If you have a gun, then maybe you at least are equally armed.
Hmmm.. How do people who don't believe in the ability to own a gun answer this?
In Canada, you can't even have pepper spray. Jeez, I suppose that a woman wouldn't want to protect herself from a would-be rapist... Might hurt the poor fellow's eyes.
How long will it take for us to destroy Yugoslavia's military? According to Albright we are 33% done and it has taken 2 months and 60k sorties. Assuming the same rate of destruction per sortie and a constant rate of sorties we should be done in 6 months and 180k sorties (from the start of the "war").
Of course, those are big assumptions. Since I don't have access to military plans, I'll have to stick with the old adage that "it takes 90% of the time to get the last 10% of the work done". So we should reach 90% in 5.4 months (162k sorties). But that was only 10% of the needed time, according to our rule of thumb. Therefore we should be done with the last of Yugoslavia's military in a mere 54 months and 1.62 million sorties. Fall of 2003 anyone?
I also have the same problems here. I have installed Linux before in the classroom with several generic PC's and they went mostly smooth. Most problems coming from configuration.
Now I am trying to install it on an old 486 Compaq machine and install craps out on me. It starts copying packages over, crash...reboot, reinstall, it gets past installing packages, then it does something else..crash, reboot.
Tried it 10 times before giving up. I thought random crashes were a feature of Windows!;)
---- "Wars, conflict, it's all business. One murder makes a villain. Millions a hero. Numbers sanctify."
My beige PowerMac G3 at 266 MHz with 32 megabytes of memory just took a week to complete its first work unit, and the CPU time counter racked up "only" around 70 hours. Something is badly wrong.
In addition, when I tried to have it contact the server this morning, it managed to send its results back, but then refused time and time again to retrieve any new data. I switched it back to guessing RC5 keys, at 850 kkeys/sec.
By comparison, my Linux box, a 300 MHz AMD K6-2 with 96 megabytes of memory, goes through work units in about 16 hours.
I think I'm using the i386-glibc2.1 binary on there. Should I try to the i686 binary instead? I don't understand which processor model (386, 486, Pentium, PPro) is right for the K6-2.
It is fairly likely your dictionary posting is a copyright violation;-) Notice that defintion 3 doesn't resemble the other 2 (which are really the same) in any way. Also notice definition 3 is less than 20 years old, where the others a little older. (If you used a dictionary old enough to avoid violating copyright by posting its defintion, it would not contain the third definition.)
You're right, Windows is complicated, and the structure of C:\Windows is only the surface of it.
But you're wrong when you say that Windows only seems to be easier to use. Perceived simplicity is simplicity from an end-user standpoint. Windows is easier to use than any Unix because, for example, it has a desktop environment which provides a graphical view of files, and configuration by means of control panels rather than obscure text files with arbitrary syntaxes.
Note that these niceties don't always help a power user -- in fact, they frequently get in the way. A power user knows what's going on, and when the user interface starts obscuring the facts about what's actually going on (as Windows often does), then the user interface becomes a patronising hinderance.
It's my opinion that the presence of "wizards" implies that the whole underlying process has become too badly organised to be handled in a sane manner. Ironically, "wizards" would improve certain areas of Linux, but I'd prefer that the underlying processes were tidied up and proper graphical interfaces put in place -- not that I'm expecting it. When a wizard doesn't do quite what you want, you're back in the old situation of trying to figure out what the wizard actually did, and then modifying the underlying data files to suit. At least Unix tends towards partially inscrutible text files for configuration rather than completely inscrutible binary files.
In my opinion, and getting back on topic, the Amiga is still the best example of a system which provided good ease of use without being patronising and getting in the way of people who knew what they were doing. The Mac is too patronising. Unix is inconsistent and makes you do all the work. Windows is a disaster area with a patronising front. The Amiga, I felt, was clean, friendly, and didn't treat the user like an idiot who needed protecting from the facts.
Just another thing I miss from my computing experience in the post-Amiga world.
The attacks on video games and violent movies by the media is sadly ironic. These things are fantasies, and are seen as such. The far more damaging thing is the violence that the "news" media pumps into your homes and cars. Murders, rapes, and other atrocities right where you live, in "living color". Even worse, these things are hyped up as much as possible to get the maximum viewership possible. Real Blood. Real Death. Real close to home.
As an aside, considering that the chance of a kid dying in a car accident is a couple of orders greater than being killed in school, shouldn't we consider any parent who puts their child in a car to be committing murder?
-buffy
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The booking deadline is now on the website
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Posted by David Hallowell:
The official booking deadline for this event is Friday 18th June - that's a week before the event starts. I mention this becasue it the time of writing this isn't mentioned on the website, however I'll make sure that is sorted out in the near future. Of course it's best to book as soon as possible to ensure you can get a place at the evemt.
I don't know whether this latest batch of promises and vapour will materialise into something solid and worthwhile. Wake me up when it's actually in the shops, because I lost heart years ago and gave up on the Amiga, at least as far as being interested in what's supposed to be coming next.
I have a few Amigas lying around amongst my various pieces. I don't remember what happened to the original A1000, and I don't really care, since it was only of historical interest. The A2000s I have are becoming terribly long in the tooth and hard to maintain. I'm running out of monitors that work, and I have to cannibalise one to fix the other now and then. This makes using the Amiga less than a joy. I only use it for the things that the PCs just can't do, and for the occasional bit of nostalgia.
Although I've basically given up on the Amigas I have lying around the place, I haven't given up on the essence of Amiga. This is best explained by comparision with Linux. Linux is a robust implementation of Unix, it's free, and it comes with the source code. That description, although accurate, completely fails to capture the essence of Linux. The essence of Linux, and of Amiga, is the sense of being part of a large, creative community of people who are truly passionate about their use of computers. Contrast this with anything Microsoftian.
On the other hand, Linux and Amiga are two very different things. The one will never be the other, and there's no reason why they should. It would be nice if the two communities would work on their similarities rather than their differences, of course. We know about the strengths of Linux, so let me reintroduce the strengths of the Amiga to those who have forgotten (or never knew).
Amiga was the epitome of multimedia. The Amiga had been around for years before the term "Multimedia PC" was coined to describe a PC that came with a CD-ROM drive, sound card, and a pair of jam-tins-on-string speakers. The Amiga didn't just have sound and graphics capabilities, it had well-implemented sound and graphics capabilities. The entire architecture screamed out "make me do cool stuff!" It inspired an entire sub-culture of demo-coders. It could do stuff with one meg of memory and one floppy disk that would stop people in their tracks and make them look. The enthusiasm and passion for coolness possessed by the designers of the Amiga exuded out of it and inspired you to use it in cool and creative ways.
Linux is no substitute for the Amiga, folks. I have to explain this to those of you who never experienced the essence of Amiga first hand. Linux has its own essence, and a good one at that, but I really would rather have both than just Linux. I like to do cool stuff on-screen and genlock it over video. I have a game-show which runs this way on ten year old Amiga hardware, and I haven't been able to get a PC to do the same thing yet.
Whether or not Gateway (or whoever else may come into ownership of the Amiga trademark) succeeds in creating a new Amiga is not my main concern. I'm not waiting for the next computer which has "Amiga" stamped on the case. I'm waiting for the next computer which embodies the essence of Amiga, and I think it will be a hard task to produce such a machine. The PC architecture is chronically un-cool but it's the most economically viable thing to produce: anything else starts at an economic disadvantage. Then there's the question of what software it will run.
It's not a question of Linux or Amiga, and I think that suggestions of Amiga hardware running Linux are pretty misplaced. The essence of Amiga is up-front cool fast right-now happening in-your-face stuff, and the essence of Linux is low-down foundational stability and dammit we own the computer right down to the hardware none of this "licensing" and denial of responsibility by software vendors crap.
There is one final point which does bear mentioning: can the Amiga ever be the same again without also being open source? Well, I don't have the answer to that. I'd prefer it if all the software was open source and the hardware was commoditised and available everywhere, cheaply, but I can live with options not quite so rosy as that. Bear in mind that the original Amiga hardware and OS was proprietary, under any reasonable definition of the word, but it was never secretive. You never got the feeling that some company was keeping secrets from you so they could hook you in and screw you over later.
You frequently did get the feeling that the upper management of Commodore were quite possibly the stupidest beings ever to stand on the face of the planet, but that's a different story.
By this definition the USA is the only democracy on earth. Other countries manage vocal and dynamic democratic processes without lax gun laws. Equating a democratic system of government with gun ownership is just asking for the problems afflicting America and no where else.
The real problem isn't guns or games, it's the fact that these kids don't feel "in". This is because the American school social experience is centered around athletics. Jocks get the headlines, jocks get the chicks. If you're not a jock, it's easy to see why you feel excluded. And if you're athletically challenged, there is simply no way around this. The answer to these tragedies is simple, high school athletic programs MUST be banned. The continuance of these programs is a gauntlet thrown for all angst-ridden adolescents.
My oldest kid was kind of violent and almost got into several shootings. So, when I had a second son I castrated him at birth. Although he was ridiculed by his classmates, and because he was so small and weak and girlish, was often sodomized in the locker rooms with mop handles by playful classmates, he has never gotten into any fights! Whenever tension arises, he doesn't get the primal urges to violance that one of us might get, and instead curls into a fetal position and weeps hysterically, usually wetting himself.
*sigh* If only all parents were as smart as me the world would be such a wonderful place.
Well, heh , what scares me now is that its to much games , and they are controlling the development . Instead of makin the games after the (for example in this case the processors) the industry is makin the processors after the games. And it is that way with all computer stuffs. The games have taken controll now. I`m a good example , I play Quake1 4 houres aday so I waste my time that should sit down and programmin on. It`s just to much games. Games like nethack,Pacman and Moria was ok cause those were "nice" while games like quake just are , nice in a strange kind of way. More like a drug. scary.
InET is participating in the SETI@Home project. We Think that SETI is the most important activity of the last months, because is'nt only about the people colaboration for an "invented" project...is the people colaboration for a very USEFUL project.
Imagine that human race discover an extraterrestrial civilization...With the people's work SETI is very near of that purpose.
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Posted by Martin Houston:
Unfortunatley room hire and other things like that in the physical world are not copyable and moveable for pennies (the norm for the net).
If you are invited to a large scale, well organised and FREE event you would have to wonder what the hidden agenda might be - the 'Message from our Sponsors'.
The UKUUG event is priced so that it covers its costs and be beholden to no-one for behind the scenes financial support.
Open Source software means that you do not have to put your hand in your pocket nearly as often. It cannot eliminate it completley.
If enough people support such events then there will be more of them and at lower costs.
Showing our faces at such things is also a great way to give the Open Source movement a public face. Richard Stallman's talk at the Commonwealth Institute a couple of months back even made it onto National radio in the UK. - that was a sitting in the isles capacity crowd.
I know exactly what they are talking about. But one think that we must keep in mind is that they out fit a few computer labs and then everyone shares. I don't think its very reasonable to break it down in to dollars per student. On the flip side maybe the free software movement needs to address the issue of educational software. I am currently learning C++ and VB once I complete this I plan to start on something like this. I belive that the free software movement has a lot to offer everyone, including students and educators. Any ideas anyone?
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Posted by bilbo.balings:
I once followed a thread on CIS Forums comparing VB and Delphi. Wich turned out IMHO to comparrissing dick lengths.
You'r two cents sound like a part of that thread.
-- Friends use whatever you like, and be happy
Posted by patg:
You're at home late one night. Someone breaks into your house, someone who's much stronger than you, he has a nife, which he is certainly able to kill you with, and your family. What do you do?
You don't have a gun:
You try to dial 911 as he stabs you to death, or you try to run (that's if you have the time to do so), but to no avail.
You do have a gun:
You fire a shot, either a warning shot, or shoot the intruder. He flees, or is shot, you're safe.
Oh, did I mention, he may just have a gun? He's a criminal. Criminals break laws, including gun laws. If you have a gun, then maybe you at least are equally armed.
Hmmm.. How do people who don't believe in the ability to own a gun answer this?
In Canada, you can't even have pepper spray. Jeez, I suppose that a woman wouldn't want to protect herself from a would-be rapist... Might hurt the poor fellow's eyes.
Posted by mgegqekk:
The Big Question:
How long will it take for us to destroy Yugoslavia's military? According to Albright we are 33% done and it has taken 2 months and 60k sorties. Assuming the same rate of destruction per sortie and a constant rate of sorties we should be done in 6 months and 180k sorties (from the start of the "war").
Of course, those are big assumptions. Since I don't have access to military plans, I'll have to stick with the old adage that "it takes 90% of the time to get the last 10% of the work done". So we should reach 90% in 5.4 months (162k sorties). But that was only 10% of the needed time, according to our rule of thumb. Therefore we should be done with the last of Yugoslavia's military in a mere 54 months and 1.62 million sorties. Fall of 2003 anyone?
Posted by The Incredible Mr. Limpett:
;)
I also have the same problems here. I have installed Linux before in the classroom with several generic PC's and they went mostly smooth. Most problems coming from configuration.
Now I am trying to install it on an old 486 Compaq machine and install craps out on me. It starts copying packages over, crash...reboot, reinstall, it gets past installing packages, then it does something else..crash, reboot.
Tried it 10 times before giving up. I thought random crashes were a feature of Windows!
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"Wars, conflict, it's all business. One murder makes a
villain. Millions a hero. Numbers sanctify."
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
...the above post is completely harmless.
Posted by LocNar:
Now you all know the Power of the FreeBSD side!
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
This sounds like exactly what I need but I can't find any reference on the samba website. Please help!
My beige PowerMac G3 at 266 MHz with 32 megabytes of memory just took a week to complete its first work unit, and the CPU time counter racked up "only" around 70 hours. Something is badly wrong.
In addition, when I tried to have it contact the server this morning, it managed to send its results back, but then refused time and time again to retrieve any new data. I switched it back to guessing RC5 keys, at 850 kkeys/sec.
By comparison, my Linux box, a 300 MHz AMD K6-2 with 96 megabytes of memory, goes through work units in about 16 hours.
I think I'm using the i386-glibc2.1 binary on there. Should I try to the i686 binary instead? I don't understand which processor model (386, 486, Pentium, PPro) is right for the K6-2.
Posted by Kevin Seghetti:
;-)
It is fairly likely your dictionary posting is a copyright violation
Notice that defintion 3 doesn't resemble the other 2 (which are really the same) in any way. Also notice definition 3 is less than 20 years old, where the others a little older. (If you used a dictionary old enough to avoid violating copyright by posting its defintion, it would not contain the third definition.)
You're right, Windows is complicated, and the structure of C:\Windows is only the surface of it.
But you're wrong when you say that Windows only seems to be easier to use. Perceived simplicity is simplicity from an end-user standpoint. Windows is easier to use than any Unix because, for example, it has a desktop environment which provides a graphical view of files, and configuration by means of control panels rather than obscure text files with arbitrary syntaxes.
Note that these niceties don't always help a power user -- in fact, they frequently get in the way. A power user knows what's going on, and when the user interface starts obscuring the facts about what's actually going on (as Windows often does), then the user interface becomes a patronising hinderance.
It's my opinion that the presence of "wizards" implies that the whole underlying process has become too badly organised to be handled in a sane manner. Ironically, "wizards" would improve certain areas of Linux, but I'd prefer that the underlying processes were tidied up and proper graphical interfaces put in place -- not that I'm expecting it. When a wizard doesn't do quite what you want, you're back in the old situation of trying to figure out what the wizard actually did, and then modifying the underlying data files to suit. At least Unix tends towards partially inscrutible text files for configuration rather than completely inscrutible binary files.
In my opinion, and getting back on topic, the Amiga is still the best example of a system which provided good ease of use without being patronising and getting in the way of people who knew what they were doing. The Mac is too patronising. Unix is inconsistent and makes you do all the work. Windows is a disaster area with a patronising front. The Amiga, I felt, was clean, friendly, and didn't treat the user like an idiot who needed protecting from the facts.
Just another thing I miss from my computing experience in the post-Amiga world.
Posted by Buffy the Overflow Slayer:
The attacks on video games and violent movies by the media is sadly ironic. These things are fantasies, and are seen as such. The far more damaging thing is the violence that the "news" media pumps into your homes and cars. Murders, rapes, and other atrocities right where you live, in "living color". Even worse, these things are hyped up as much as possible to get the maximum viewership possible. Real Blood. Real Death. Real close to home.
As an aside, considering that the chance of a kid dying in a car accident is a couple of orders greater than being killed in school, shouldn't we consider any parent who puts their child in a car to be committing murder?
-buffy
Posted by David Hallowell:
The booking deadline is now on the website
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Posted by David Hallowell:
The official booking deadline for this event is Friday 18th June - that's a week before the event starts. I mention this becasue it the time of writing this isn't mentioned on the website, however I'll make sure that is sorted out in the near future.
Of course it's best to book as soon as possible to ensure you can get a place at the evemt.
Regards,
David Hallowell
UKUUG Council Member
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Posted by The Mongolian Barbecue:
> It's not gun availability doing this...in
fact that causes violence to go down
clearly you should have stayed in school. at least we can look forward to your kids getting into your collection and "accidentally" shooting you.
Posted by Synsthe:
Maybe I'm missing something terribly important about them, but I don't see anything at all important about finding large prime numbers.
Somebody shed a little light on this, perhaps?
I don't know whether this latest batch of promises and vapour will materialise into something solid and worthwhile. Wake me up when it's actually in the shops, because I lost heart years ago and gave up on the Amiga, at least as far as being interested in what's supposed to be coming next.
I have a few Amigas lying around amongst my various pieces. I don't remember what happened to the original A1000, and I don't really care, since it was only of historical interest. The A2000s I have are becoming terribly long in the tooth and hard to maintain. I'm running out of monitors that work, and I have to cannibalise one to fix the other now and then. This makes using the Amiga less than a joy. I only use it for the things that the PCs just can't do, and for the occasional bit of nostalgia.
Although I've basically given up on the Amigas I have lying around the place, I haven't given up on the essence of Amiga. This is best explained by comparision with Linux. Linux is a robust implementation of Unix, it's free, and it comes with the source code. That description, although accurate, completely fails to capture the essence of Linux. The essence of Linux, and of Amiga, is the sense of being part of a large, creative community of people who are truly passionate about their use of computers. Contrast this with anything Microsoftian.
On the other hand, Linux and Amiga are two very different things. The one will never be the other, and there's no reason why they should. It would be nice if the two communities would work on their similarities rather than their differences, of course. We know about the strengths of Linux, so let me reintroduce the strengths of the Amiga to those who have forgotten (or never knew).
Amiga was the epitome of multimedia. The Amiga had been around for years before the term "Multimedia PC" was coined to describe a PC that came with a CD-ROM drive, sound card, and a pair of jam-tins-on-string speakers. The Amiga didn't just have sound and graphics capabilities, it had well-implemented sound and graphics capabilities. The entire architecture screamed out "make me do cool stuff!" It inspired an entire sub-culture of demo-coders. It could do stuff with one meg of memory and one floppy disk that would stop people in their tracks and make them look. The enthusiasm and passion for coolness possessed by the designers of the Amiga exuded out of it and inspired you to use it in cool and creative ways.
Linux is no substitute for the Amiga, folks. I have to explain this to those of you who never experienced the essence of Amiga first hand. Linux has its own essence, and a good one at that, but I really would rather have both than just Linux. I like to do cool stuff on-screen and genlock it over video. I have a game-show which runs this way on ten year old Amiga hardware, and I haven't been able to get a PC to do the same thing yet.
Whether or not Gateway (or whoever else may come into ownership of the Amiga trademark) succeeds in creating a new Amiga is not my main concern. I'm not waiting for the next computer which has "Amiga" stamped on the case. I'm waiting for the next computer which embodies the essence of Amiga, and I think it will be a hard task to produce such a machine. The PC architecture is chronically un-cool but it's the most economically viable thing to produce: anything else starts at an economic disadvantage. Then there's the question of what software it will run.
It's not a question of Linux or Amiga, and I think that suggestions of Amiga hardware running Linux are pretty misplaced. The essence of Amiga is up-front cool fast right-now happening in-your-face stuff, and the essence of Linux is low-down foundational stability and dammit we own the computer right down to the hardware none of this "licensing" and denial of responsibility by software vendors crap.
There is one final point which does bear mentioning: can the Amiga ever be the same again without also being open source? Well, I don't have the answer to that. I'd prefer it if all the software was open source and the hardware was commoditised and available everywhere, cheaply, but I can live with options not quite so rosy as that. Bear in mind that the original Amiga hardware and OS was proprietary, under any reasonable definition of the word, but it was never secretive. You never got the feeling that some company was keeping secrets from you so they could hook you in and screw you over later.
You frequently did get the feeling that the upper management of Commodore were quite possibly the stupidest beings ever to stand on the face of the planet, but that's a different story.
Posted by gi-francios:
By this definition the USA is the only democracy on earth. Other countries manage vocal and dynamic democratic processes without lax gun laws. Equating a democratic system of government with gun ownership is just asking for the problems afflicting America and no where else.
ciao
gi-francios
Posted by Crotalus Altrox:
The real problem isn't guns or games, it's the fact that these kids don't feel "in". This is because the American school social experience is centered around athletics. Jocks get the headlines, jocks get the chicks. If you're not a jock, it's easy to see why you feel excluded. And if you're athletically challenged, there is simply no way around this. The answer to these tragedies is simple, high school athletic programs MUST be banned. The continuance of these programs is a gauntlet thrown for all angst-ridden adolescents.
Posted by Kallahar2:
search for XSETI, it's a GTK GUI for Seti@Home
Posted by The Mongolian Barbecue:
My oldest kid was kind of violent and almost got into several shootings. So, when I had a second son I castrated him at birth. Although he was ridiculed by his classmates, and because he was so small and weak and girlish, was often sodomized in the locker rooms with mop handles by playful classmates, he has never gotten into any fights! Whenever tension arises, he doesn't get the primal urges to violance that one of us might get, and instead curls into a fetal position and weeps hysterically, usually wetting himself.
*sigh* If only all parents were as smart as me the world would be such a wonderful place.
Posted by ekauq:
Well, heh , what scares me now is that its to much games , and they are controlling the development . Instead of makin the games after the (for example in this case the processors) the industry is makin the processors after the games.
And it is that way with all computer stuffs. The games have taken controll now. I`m a good example , I play Quake1 4 houres aday so I waste my time that should sit down and programmin on. It`s just to much games.
Games like nethack,Pacman and Moria was ok cause those were "nice" while games like quake just are , nice in a strange kind of way.
More like a drug.
scary.
Posted by GothstaiN:
InET is participating in the SETI@Home project. We Think that SETI is the most important activity of the last months, because is'nt only about the people colaboration for an "invented" project...is the people colaboration for a very USEFUL project.
Imagine that human race discover an extraterrestrial civilization...With the people's work SETI is very near of that purpose.
Posted by Martin Houston:
Unfortunatley room hire and other things like that in the physical world are not copyable and moveable for pennies (the norm for the net).
If you are invited to a large scale, well organised and FREE event you would have to wonder what the hidden agenda might be - the 'Message from our Sponsors'.
The UKUUG event is priced so that it covers its costs and be beholden to no-one for behind the scenes financial support.
Open Source software means that you do not have to put your hand in your pocket nearly as often. It cannot eliminate it completley.
If enough people support such events then there will be more of them and at lower costs.
Showing our faces at such things is also a great way to give the Open Source movement a public face. Richard Stallman's talk at the Commonwealth Institute a couple of months back even made it onto National radio in the UK. - that was a sitting in the isles capacity crowd.
Posted by DonR:
Great. Before lusers could talk on their car phone while driving. Soon they'll be able to look at their porn while driving. Darwinization at its best.
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Donald Roeber
Posted by traveler359:
I know exactly what they are talking about. But one think that we must keep in mind is that they out fit a few computer labs and then everyone shares. I don't think its very reasonable to break it down in to dollars per student.
On the flip side maybe the free software movement needs to address the issue of educational software. I am currently learning C++ and VB once I complete this I plan to start on something like this. I belive that the free software movement has a lot to offer everyone, including students and educators.
Any ideas anyone?