I used to work for Gemini Computers (http://www.geminisecure.com), a small network security company that I recall had an A1-rated system. They needed to create it in a bunch of layers that could only call functions in the layer below, thus making it easier to evaluate.
I also recall it was slow as heck, impossible to use (like users will really be able to remember randomly-generated passwords), and thus didn't really do a whole lot in terms of volume.:)
> SUN Microsystems bought out a company that was > privy to NT's source code (trust me, MS doesn't > want anyone to know about this). In taking > classes for SUN, I ran across an instructor who > told the class to learn SAMBA, but not to dwell > on it because SUN was working on a TRUE SMB > client for UNIX.
Oh, you mean Project *Cascade* (now released as Sun's PC/Netlink services. I'm afraid your 'secret knowledge' is a bit out of date (oh, *do* pay attention, 007...:-).
It's a port of AT&T's Advanced Services for UNIX. Yes, that old chestnut (the one that AT&T sued MS over lack of access to source code, and settled for a bunch of cash and *no* source code:-). So it's actually a dead product (old, crufty SVR3 code, with a user level thread library) ported to Solaris.
Oh yes. And it's *slooow****. Note that in the latest PC Week benchmark that Sun was involved in they chose to use Samba, rather than any of the products they actually *sell*. Hmmmmm. Doesn't inspire confidence does it......:-):-).
OK, OK, I admit it. The only reason I called the site "DarwinLinux" was because "missinglink.com" was taken and it was the best thing I could think of.
What I really intend "the missing link" to be is a collection of the best unixware from the various *nix-wares out there, be they BSD-based or Linux based. Apple has independently decided to try to make themselves FreeBSD-like, mainly because they liked the kernel, not because they were particularly enamored of their "ls" implementation...
That said, all the *nix-wares out there are so incestuous of each other, that its hard to say where one stops and the other begins...
But one thing that I am planning on bringing over from Linux is the driver set. I hope to create an intermediate software layer between the linux driver set and the Darwin DriverKit/IOKit stuff so that you can use any driver from Linux with a recompile. That's one of the big things missing from both Darwin and MOSXS is driver support.
Someday, MissingLink might evolve into a full-fledged distribution, but that depends on whether people realize that the kernels that are coming will be pretty hip, and pretty _stable_. At that point, DarwinLinux might be a pretty good name.
I don't doubt that you'll see proprietary companies touting the openness of their source code if you aren't already.
And yes, "Open Source" is a buzzword.
And yes, I also hate free (beer) software disguised as Free (speech) software.
BUT, you seem to be confused on number of issues.
First, Netscape is not the only corporation to have opened its code. Cygnus, IBM, Sendmail Inc and many others have always or recently been open.
Second, your only objection to sourceXchange and CoSource seems to be that the developer makes money. What's wrong with that? No one, not even RMS, objects to developers getting paid to do what they love. The objection is proprietary "standards", secret source code and lack of Freedom.
As for quality getting lost: What exactly do you feel will lose quality? Linux? These companies aren't hiring Linux developers, they are hiring developers for unrelated, Open Source software. And even if some of them wanted things like device drivers or kernel mods, they'd have to pass Linus to be official anyway. -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
1) Sun's implementation would be a copy of a point in time (e.g. when the NT-privy company became non-privy). Samba and Sun both have to reverse engineer from that point on (and trust ME, MS would change everything).
2) Samba will still be as cheap or cheaper (unless Sun pays me money to use it).
3) As you note, Sun's version probably won't be open source. So why would I want to use it? "Commercial support"? I think we've already defeated that argument soundly.
4) There are ALREADY commercial products that do what Samba does.
5) Leaving the particular example of Samba aside now, let's try to think of other well-known, mature OS products being obsoleted (obsoletified?) by commercial (proprietary) products. Apache vs IIS? Linux vs NT?
So remind me again why Samba will be obsolete? -- "Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
isdn4Linux/isdn4bsd are drivers for passive ISDN devices. These are adapter cards that just pass bits to the telco switch over your ISDN line. The driver must support the switch's protocol. The code at this point only supports euro-ISDN compliant switches. Most US telcos have Nortel or AT&T 5ESS. The FCC forbids you to crash your telco's switch by using incompatible (unapproved/nonconforming) protocol. If AT&T or Nortel release protocol specs without nondisclosure, then we can have open source passive ISDN drivers. Until then, we are SOL.
ISDN "modems" are drop-in replacements for analog modems. They have firmware to handle call setup and other D-channel protocol, and they emulate asynchronous modem operation over one (or more if it has MP PPP support) B channels. If you have an external unit, you will not be able to use the full dual-channel BRI bandwidth without a special serial port adapter that supports 230Kbps. Some internal ISDN modems support 230Kbps DTE speeds. You will need the same kind of software setup as you would need for a modem.
ISDN bridges and routers are external boxes that usually have one or more ethernet interfaces and an ISDN interface. They will usually do DHCP/bootp, NAT, protocol (IPX/SPX) tunnelling and some rudimentary firewalling. They will usually support multiple ethernet hosts connecting to a gateway machine across the ISDN. Setting these up requires an ethernet and maybe a crossover cable. The device itself requires a serial console device like a null-modem cable and a terminal emulator program to configure it. After that, these can usually be administered remotely via telnet or web browser.
SAMS now has a book called: "Teach Yourself Samba in 24 Hours" Naff title, but content looks good so far. It covers Samba 2.0.3 and PDC support. One of the authors, Gerald Carter, is an active member of the Samba team.
The State theater in Menomonie is such a hole. There are four screens, two upstairs I think. The upstairs screen has one speaker (or so it seems) that rattles, yes it rattles. And the projection is never very good.
The security is terrible and the management just stinks. I think there are emergency exits pretty much next to the projection room. Its been a while since I have been there, so I can't be certain.
On my way to class, I watch them deliver the film cans. Sometimes they are just inside the theatre. I read them through the glass to see what movies will be playing. Sometimes, beleive it or not, they are just sitting on the sidewalk!
Menomonie is home to University of Wisconsin - Stout (where I go). I would bet that they have the equipment on campus to make the copy. The FBI would surely be watching it though.
I thought Dan's article was a good one. As a tech media type, I lurk on Slashdot often, because Rob and Hemos do a good job of getting a whole bunch of relevant info in one place. And the comments are good too, because you guys can smell BS a mile away, and it helps me sniff it out, too.
Is Slashdot journalism? Depends on how you define it. But I do think it hearkens back to the first days of publishing, before corporations took over -- when anyone with access to a printing press could change the way people thought about the issues in their lives. The founding fathers wrote the First Amendment for sites like this one.
And Rob...it was a nice column. Smile, take the compliment, and move on!
Perhaps in larger cities this isn't true, but in Smalltown, USA, reporters don't do a lot of reporting.
Ouch. As someone who cut his teeth on the smallest daily newspaper in upstate New York (circulation 4,000), I can safely say that reporters in small towns do even more reporting than their big-city counterparts. I remember one fateful day of sitting in on a town meeting, two school board meetings and a kindergarten graduation. Then I went to a fire in another county at 11 p.m. and didn't get back until 4 a.m.
You're right about the AP, though. The wires are extremely convenient, especially for small to mid-size papers, and even my own Web site. But I wish there were alternatives. The Online Journalism Review has a good story on AP wire useage this week.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Disney Co. is pushing to have copyrights extended to 125 years now so their prize mouse won't become public domain in 2004 or some such. And it's gaining popularity in congress. And I'll bet nobody here can figure out why it's so popular. Big corporations have gained WAY to much pull in our government for our own good.
In IE, under tools->internet options, under advanced, if you check "Launch Browser in a new process", IE won't kill everything running when it gets killed.
In IE, if you go to tools->internet options, go to advanced and check "Launch Browser Windows in a separate process", IE won't destroy everything that's running when you have to terminate it.
I know this ain't a popular opinion, but I think IE is better than netscape. Both netscape 4.5 and 4.6 crash ALL THE TIME on my machine. Sure, IE 4.0 crashed just as much, but 5.0 seems much more reliable. They're both bloatware, unfortunteately. Anybody know where I can download Netscape 3.0? Is Opera out for Unix/Linux yet?
As a lowly service technician at a local computer store, I must speak out about the VIA chipsets, more specifically those used in 100Mhz fsb Slot1 boards.
After a BIOS revision and a lot of software patches, I discovered that the VIA board would not handle a Diamond Viper 770AGP and a SoundBlaster Live! at the same time, as rampant page faults and unexplained freezes plagued the system.
On the same system, (this is a clean Windows 98 system with nothing installed but drivers and software relating to the soundcard and CD-burner), it was also discovered that it would, without fail, encounter buffer underruns when burning a CD directly from another CD-ROM. This was done with different brands and speeds of CD-ROMs and 2X Re-writable speed using an HP 4X IDE burner.
Now while I am no fan of IDE CD-ROM burners, and have every reason to be spiteful towards Intel, all of the problems were solved with the installation of a motherboard with an Intel ZX chipset (meant to be a cheap alternative to the BX chipset). If anybody can offer any speciffics as to why such problems would occur, a post would be most appreciated.
No more harmful than copyrights??? At least patents, according to your post, only last twenty years. Copyright just got extended to seventy-five -- this, presumably, so that Sony Bono could feel like the swill he and Cher produced had some artistic value.
I had the same problem with my PPC. I found that if I disabled it as a screensaver, moved the app out of the system folder, and just started it normally when I was ready to let the system idle, it counted time normally.
Other than when I fire up Quicken, I've let it run as the foreground (and only) application and turned off all screensavers and other power-down features. I haven't tried moving it out of the System folder though. I'll try that.
Hey, look everyone, I'll come up with some idea, like a name for people that use;^/ instead of;-) or;) and call that person, let's see... a "cookie", cause I did a search of anonymous ftp sites back in 1993 and there were no references to web "cookies" back then. Re-dic-u-lous.
No, you made a bad choice. The term 'Weblog' refers to the logs that web server software keep. The name is already in common use (at least amoung geeks, and aren't we all geeks here?).
It's a good idea to come up a term for what you are talking about, but please come up with another word for it.
Slashdot Mirror
Posted by fling93:
:)
I used to work for Gemini Computers (http://www.geminisecure.com), a small network security company that I recall had an A1-rated system. They needed to create it in a bunch of layers that could only call functions in the layer below, thus making it easier to evaluate.
I also recall it was slow as heck, impossible to use (like users will really be able to remember randomly-generated passwords), and thus didn't really do a whole lot in terms of volume.
Posted by Jeremy Allison - Samba Team:
:-).
:-). So it's actually a dead product (old, crufty SVR3 code, with a user level thread library) ported to Solaris.
:-) :-).
> SUN Microsystems bought out a company that was
> privy to NT's source code (trust me, MS doesn't
> want anyone to know about this). In taking
> classes for SUN, I ran across an instructor who
> told the class to learn SAMBA, but not to dwell
> on it because SUN was working on a TRUE SMB
> client for UNIX.
Oh, you mean Project *Cascade* (now released as Sun's PC/Netlink services. I'm afraid your 'secret knowledge' is a bit out of date (oh, *do* pay attention, 007...
It's a port of AT&T's Advanced Services for UNIX. Yes, that old chestnut (the one that AT&T sued MS over lack of access to source code, and settled for a bunch of cash and *no* source code
Oh yes. And it's *slooow****. Note that in the latest PC Week benchmark that Sun was involved in they chose to use Samba, rather than any of the products they actually *sell*. Hmmmmm. Doesn't inspire confidence does it......
Regards,
Jeremy Allison,
Samba Team.
Posted by buzzworx:
The trend is the same as always in IT, where go the gamers, so goes the world.
Posted by wetter:
Gee, I'm all singed.
OK, OK, I admit it. The only reason I called the site "DarwinLinux" was because "missinglink.com" was taken and it was the best thing I could think of.
What I really intend "the missing link" to be is a collection of the best unixware from the various *nix-wares out there, be they BSD-based or Linux based. Apple has independently decided to try to make themselves FreeBSD-like, mainly because they liked the kernel, not because they were particularly enamored of their "ls" implementation...
That said, all the *nix-wares out there are so incestuous of each other, that its hard to say where one stops and the other begins...
But one thing that I am planning on bringing over from Linux is the driver set. I hope to create an intermediate software layer between the linux driver set and the Darwin DriverKit/IOKit stuff so that you can use any driver from Linux with a recompile. That's one of the big things missing from both Darwin and MOSXS is driver support.
Someday, MissingLink might evolve into a full-fledged distribution, but that depends on whether people realize that the kernels that are coming will be pretty hip, and pretty _stable_. At that point, DarwinLinux might be a pretty good name.
Pierce
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
I don't doubt that you'll see proprietary companies touting the openness of their source code if you aren't already.
And yes, "Open Source" is a buzzword.
And yes, I also hate free (beer) software disguised as Free (speech) software.
BUT, you seem to be confused on number of issues.
First, Netscape is not the only corporation to have opened its code. Cygnus, IBM, Sendmail Inc and many others have always or recently been open.
Second, your only objection to sourceXchange and CoSource seems to be that the developer makes money. What's wrong with that? No one, not even RMS, objects to developers getting paid to do what they love. The objection is proprietary "standards", secret source code and lack of Freedom.
As for quality getting lost: What exactly do you feel will lose quality? Linux? These companies aren't hiring Linux developers, they are hiring developers for unrelated, Open Source software. And even if some of them wanted things like device drivers or kernel mods, they'd have to pass Linus to be official anyway.
--
"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
At least two errors in this item. "open Source"? Nice BiCapiTaliZation.
Also, here's the correct link.
--
"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Posted by FascDot Killed My Previous Use:
Let's assume your rumor is true...
1) Sun's implementation would be a copy of a point in time (e.g. when the NT-privy company became non-privy). Samba and Sun both have to reverse engineer from that point on (and trust ME, MS would change everything).
2) Samba will still be as cheap or cheaper (unless Sun pays me money to use it).
3) As you note, Sun's version probably won't be open source. So why would I want to use it? "Commercial support"? I think we've already defeated that argument soundly.
4) There are ALREADY commercial products that do what Samba does.
5) Leaving the particular example of Samba aside now, let's try to think of other well-known, mature OS products being obsoleted (obsoletified?) by commercial (proprietary) products. Apache vs IIS? Linux vs NT?
So remind me again why Samba will be obsolete?
--
"Please remember that how you say something is often more important than what you say." - Rob Malda
Now, there seems to be a little confusion as to what is what in the ISDN support for Linux and FreeBSD.
isdn4Linux/isdn4bsd are drivers for passive ISDN devices. These are adapter cards that just pass bits to the telco switch over your ISDN line. The driver must support the switch's protocol. The code at this point only supports euro-ISDN compliant switches. Most US telcos have Nortel or AT&T 5ESS. The FCC forbids you to crash your telco's switch by using incompatible (unapproved/nonconforming) protocol. If AT&T or Nortel release protocol specs without nondisclosure, then we can have open source passive ISDN drivers. Until then, we are SOL.
ISDN "modems" are drop-in replacements for analog modems. They have firmware to handle call setup and other D-channel protocol, and they emulate asynchronous modem operation over one (or more if it has MP PPP support) B channels. If you have an external unit, you will not be able to use the full dual-channel BRI bandwidth without a special serial port adapter that supports 230Kbps. Some internal ISDN modems support 230Kbps DTE speeds. You will need the same kind of software setup as you would need for a modem.
ISDN bridges and routers are external boxes that usually have one or more ethernet interfaces and an ISDN interface. They will usually do DHCP/bootp, NAT, protocol (IPX/SPX) tunnelling and some rudimentary firewalling. They will usually support multiple ethernet hosts connecting to a gateway machine across the ISDN. Setting these up requires an ethernet and maybe a crossover cable. The device itself requires a serial console device like a null-modem cable and a terminal emulator program to configure it. After that, these can usually be administered remotely via telnet or web browser.
Posted by dajsimpson:
SAMS now has a book called: "Teach Yourself Samba in 24 Hours"
Naff title, but content looks good so far.
It covers Samba 2.0.3 and PDC support. One of the authors, Gerald Carter, is an active member of the Samba team.
Posted by kewlmann:
The State theater in Menomonie is such a hole.
There are four screens, two upstairs I think.
The upstairs screen has one speaker (or so it seems) that rattles, yes it rattles. And the projection is never very good.
The security is terrible and the management just stinks. I think there are emergency exits pretty much next to the projection room. Its been a while since I have been there, so I can't be certain.
On my way to class, I watch them deliver the film cans. Sometimes they are just inside the theatre. I read them through the glass to see what movies will be playing. Sometimes, beleive it or not, they are just sitting on the sidewalk!
Menomonie is home to University of Wisconsin - Stout (where I go). I would bet that they have the equipment on campus to make the copy. The FBI would surely be watching it though.
My 2 cents worth....
Posted by Mike@ABC:
I thought Dan's article was a good one. As a tech media type, I lurk on Slashdot often, because Rob and Hemos do a good job of getting a whole bunch of relevant info in one place. And the comments are good too, because you guys can smell BS a mile away, and it helps me sniff it out, too.
Is Slashdot journalism? Depends on how you define it. But I do think it hearkens back to the first days of publishing, before corporations took over -- when anyone with access to a printing press could change the way people thought about the issues in their lives. The founding fathers wrote the First Amendment for sites like this one.
And Rob...it was a nice column. Smile, take the compliment, and move on!
Posted by Mike@ABC:
Perhaps in larger cities this isn't true, but in Smalltown, USA, reporters don't do a lot of reporting.
Ouch. As someone who cut his teeth on the smallest daily newspaper in upstate New York (circulation 4,000), I can safely say that reporters in small towns do even more reporting than their big-city counterparts. I remember one fateful day of sitting in on a town meeting, two school board meetings and a kindergarten graduation. Then I went to a fire in another county at 11 p.m. and didn't get back until 4 a.m.
You're right about the AP, though. The wires are extremely convenient, especially for small to mid-size papers, and even my own Web site. But I wish there were alternatives. The Online Journalism Review has a good story on AP wire useage this week.
Posted by The Masked Miscreant >:):
I seem to remember reading somewhere that Disney Co. is pushing to have copyrights extended to 125 years now so their prize mouse won't become public domain in 2004 or some such. And it's gaining popularity in congress.
And I'll bet nobody here can figure out why it's so popular. Big corporations have gained WAY to much pull in our government for our own good.
Posted by _DogShu_:
In IE, under tools->internet options, under advanced, if you check "Launch Browser in a new process", IE won't kill everything running when it gets killed.
Posted by _DogShu_:
In IE, if you go to tools->internet options, go to advanced and check "Launch Browser Windows in a separate process", IE won't destroy everything that's running when you have to terminate it.
Posted by _DogShu_:
I know this ain't a popular opinion, but I think IE is better than netscape. Both netscape 4.5 and 4.6 crash ALL THE TIME on my machine. Sure, IE 4.0 crashed just as much, but 5.0 seems much more reliable.
They're both bloatware, unfortunteately. Anybody know where I can download Netscape 3.0? Is Opera out for Unix/Linux yet?
Posted by Vik Olliver (at home):
:v)
I have started. I'm funding a local community bulletin board, and wiring it up with anything I can lay my hands on.
Vik
Posted by !ErrorBookmarkNotDefined:
$29M is small change.
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Computers are useless. They can only give answers.
Posted by Mr Spock:
I would also like to echo your sentiment.
Posted by oNZeNeMo (guns'n ammo):
As a lowly service technician at a local computer store, I must speak out about the VIA chipsets, more specifically those used in 100Mhz fsb Slot1 boards.
After a BIOS revision and a lot of software patches, I discovered that the VIA board would not handle a Diamond Viper 770AGP and a SoundBlaster Live! at the same time, as rampant page faults and unexplained freezes plagued the system.
On the same system, (this is a clean Windows 98 system with nothing installed but drivers and software relating to the soundcard and CD-burner), it was also discovered that it would, without fail, encounter buffer underruns when burning a CD directly from another CD-ROM. This was done with different brands and speeds of CD-ROMs and 2X Re-writable speed using an HP 4X IDE burner.
Now while I am no fan of IDE CD-ROM burners, and have every reason to be spiteful towards Intel, all of the problems were solved with the installation of a motherboard with an Intel ZX chipset (meant to be a cheap alternative to the BX chipset). If anybody can offer any speciffics as to why such problems would occur, a post would be most appreciated.
Posted by d106ene5:
You can pull the first all-night shift at our "People's NOC". Don't drink any of the soda as its reserved for tourists.
No more harmful than copyrights??? At least patents, according to your post, only last twenty years. Copyright just got extended to seventy-five -- this, presumably, so that Sony Bono could feel like the swill he and Cher produced had some artistic value.
Posted by Bastard Operator From Hell:
At the time Pearl Harbor wasn't even US soil, wasn't a state until the 50's.
Shaun
Other than when I fire up Quicken, I've let it run as the foreground (and only) application and turned off all screensavers and other power-down features. I haven't tried moving it out of the System folder though. I'll try that.
No, you bugger off...
Hey, look everyone, I'll come up with some idea, like a name for people that use ;^/ instead of ;-) or ;) and call that person, let's see... a "cookie", cause I did a search of anonymous ftp sites back in 1993 and there were no references to web "cookies" back then. Re-dic-u-lous.
No, you made a bad choice. The term 'Weblog' refers to the logs that web server software keep. The name is already in common use (at least amoung geeks, and aren't we all geeks here?).
It's a good idea to come up a term for what you are talking about, but please come up with another word for it.
-adam a