Just when I thought/. had gone to the dogs, along comes someone with a commonsense, no-nonsense, intelligent approach to the problem, that, if implemented globally might just start making inroads!
Dude, do us all a favour and don't log in as AC, let us know who you are so we can perpetuate the sensibility...
M$ has that angle covered, they give them heavily discounted software and tell them what they would be saving if they were stupid enough to pay full price for licencing, the dumb shits then think they have a bargain. Salesmanship is alive and well!
Couple that with the fact that most of the dickheads that comprise these faculties are M$ drones, who really think they are a sysadmin when they can make their own shortcut on the desktop...
It has to come from the top, someone has to show the Industry, and subsequently these people, what Industry Standard really means. (Not M$ $ubstandards!!!)
The problem for Windows NT is that it is being sold to unwary organisations as an Enterprise level Server solution, M$ touts it as this so I suppose if the buyer only goes on advertising rather than decent research then the onus really is on them anyway (after all, it's caveat emptor - let the buyer beware!)
NT is most definitely not what M$ says it is, it will never be a viable alternative to any UNIX (or even Linux) for large scale server implementation. It only barely makes the cut as a workstation O/S!
The biggest problem is stability, NT servers fall over with monotonous regularity, and uptimes rarely exceed even a week. Even on a desktop machine it hardly makes it through a day without at least one reboot.
In all honesty most sysadmins would prefer the more simplistic Win9x variants to the overly convoluted and uninspired Win NT on their workstations, the help desk calls alone would be cut in half.
What makes me sad is that because the purchasing departments of many organisations are being influenced by the slick salesmanship and pricing tricks of M$, they are ignoring the experienced advice of their sysadmins and IT staff and moving over to NT anyway. People in the IT world are starting to accept unnecessary and regular server crashes and reboots, tremendous network lag, and NT's famous "it shouldn't do that!" capers as the norm, when at this level nothing less than rock stable servers should be tolerated.
Until organisations start to listen to and effectively use and trust their own IT professionals, after all, isn't that why they pay them??? then idiots in the purchasing departments who know nothing about IT will keep rolling out crap like NT, Terminal Server, M$ SQL Server et al, and we all have to suffer.
The answer to that age old question - YES - it is possible to watch Robocop too many times?
I hope this title makes it to my local video rental store - it's not something I would buy, but $5.00 overnight would be a small price to pay to see this little jewel.
Just the mental image of this guy being piss-bowled by a small truck has me in hysterics, not to mention launching himself off an escarpment....it's gotta be like that super-sumo stuff they do in pubs and nightclubs!
Sure there may be some legitimate scientific uses for this kind of tech, but the comedy value alone is outstanding...
My local Technical college staff have been assimilated by M$ in just this fashion.
They don't even think it is a problem that they had to write a script to reboot their NT Servers every Sunday afternoon just so that they can get a few weekdays uptime before they start to fall over.
The same people even think that it's fine to wait for service packs - just to fix a bug that really should not have been in a commercial product anyway. And they are being taught that it's ok to have to buy additional funcionality in the form of a "resource kit" just to get the features the O/S should have had in the first place.
It sounds like something Monty Python would have come up with, but it's true.
I must say that I agree with this post - why not, in a very competitive IT industry (globally) be multiskilled, whether we like it or not it is the way of the future.
A lot of people still in training - even at the higher tertiary level - just don't realize just what a diverse range of systems they are going to encounter in the "real" world. Real Managers, (generally not IT literate) just want things to work, period! They don't care about the minutae of every bit of HW and SW, and they don't like any change - especially radical.
They want to keep using the crappy email proggy they are used to, or the only dodgy word processor that they can handle. And it doesn't matter that we see these people as technically inept, they have the seniority in most organizations and are effectively your boss!
I think you'll probably find that I've posted more frequently than that - just not too recently.
As for my comments, let go of your penis long enough to do some research and you may just find that what I have stated is fact, whether it suits you or not.
You know, it's easy to sit back, read other people's posts and then reply, trying to look clever like you did, but the real test of a person is whether or not they stand by their convictions, I do.
Yeah, I got trolled, I will freely admit that...but it was pretty bloody subtle humour, and I'll bet I'm not the only one! The sad part is what led me to get caught out in the first place - Let me illustrate: the Linux community is gradually "dumbing down" (you're a good example of that!) to a point where it won't be long before comments like that are completely devoid of satire - some people I have met actually think like that - and that scares me.
I thought we were getting over the M$ monopoly when along comes RH and tries the same stunt again...this is beneficial for no-one, except of course RH! What really frightens me is that they are succeeding - largely due to the same uninformed (dumbed down) users I spoke of earlier. If you can honestly say this doesn't frighten you then you are either a fool or a liar!
I'm not pissed off at RH for making money, I'm pissed off at them for bastardizing someone else's work, and presenting it in a substandard form to the general public, and doing it successfully...forget about Debian, there are plenty of better distro's out there than RH. I'm also pissed off at the Linux community in general, for being stupid enough to allow RH to get as far with this charade as they have, it doesn't say much for us as a group of so called "intellectuals" now does it?
All I can say to you is that at least you had the intestinal fortitude to post as yourself, not AC, as do many other frightened children!
And just what have you contributed to the code, Numbnuts??? If you're such an advocate of Linux, why don't you have the courage to post as other than an AC? It's fairly obvious that you really don't understand what I said, and in what context it was said, the original poster did, he was being sarcastic, and he caught me out, you however are just being stupid.
It also appears that you cannot see what is happening in the Linux and the business world. You can lie about your credentials (Mr "93") all you like, but if you're too stupid to see the recurring (and documented) trend that many of us do then quite frankly, you are an imbecile. But then you already know that don't you?
Let me guess, you're pissed off because you paid full price for Redhat, eh?
They really should have controlled the experiment better then shouldn't they? Perhaps isolating the box off their (critical) network, or limiting it's intranet connectivity to other, non-critical machines? Yes it seems simplistic, but then maybe they'd have gotten better results, less troubles and slightly less egg on their faces!
He's gone the closest (pretty darn close - for my money) to date.
Since they have effectively pulled the plug on the experiment prematurely for reasons they really should have anticipated from the outset they should now cough up the goods!!!
Your socio-political rhetoric is classical of that borne of education without experience. We are talking about the Internet here, Intellect, not guns or prostitution. The Internet is about Ideas, Opinions and Thoughts - when these are to be censored, what will the forum be for like minded individuals to express their opinions without fear of recrimination or persecution.
The world is not a "hive mind", many of us (evidently not you) still value individuality and freedom of choice.
Well, one word actually, two syllables - but I get your point.
Thank goodness for that - I was starting to worry that Redhat might have gotten hold of the source code for the Micro$oft Subliminal Message Wizard and begun using it to assimilate unsuspecting users...
Your name's not really Bill Gate$ is it??? Who else would be silly enough to want another decade of minimal choice?
Do you actually use Linux, or are you a "blissful" Windows user? One of the reasons why Linux has become so popular of late is that the very Windows users you seem to think exist in such "utter bliss" are looking for something better, there's nothing wrong with having viable alternatives, and I can assure you - Redhat would not be my distro of choice, it's a crap distribution - there are plenty of distro's out there vastly superior to RH. Not to mention that they are selling the fruits of someone else's labour for their own corporate gain, mainly to fools like you! And the scariest part is you are proud to admit you are dumb enough to help fund their attempted monopoly.
You can't compare UNIX to Linux, they are as different (ideologically) as chalk and cheese. Linux was designed from the ground up as an open source alternative, not a commercial O/S. It's companies trying to monopolize Linux for their own ends that will screw us, not the distro's giving away their work on it purely for the betterment of Linux itself.
You should take the time to remember, where the hell would Linux be without the GPL, and open source??? You want to go back to writing your own drivers, eh?
Now Redhat is getting rich on the unpaid work of the thousands of volunteers worldwide who have put so much of their lives into improving Linux for everybody, and fools like you want them to close their (poached) source for their own gain - are you intellectually impaired in some way?
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I had to ask myself, did I really care?
The result of this mini-poll, a resounding NO!
And so they should, drive-by dialups are a real problem there ;-)
By crikey, not that Windows 2000 rubbish, but mighty Millennium, gaming platform extraordinare...
Since when did these people think anything from M$ came without strings attached...
Just when I thought /. had gone to the dogs, along comes someone with a commonsense, no-nonsense, intelligent approach to the problem, that, if implemented globally might just start making inroads!
Dude, do us all a favour and don't log in as AC, let us know who you are so we can perpetuate the sensibility...
M$ has that angle covered, they give them heavily discounted software and tell them what they would be saving if they were stupid enough to pay full price for licencing, the dumb shits then think they have a bargain. Salesmanship is alive and well!
Couple that with the fact that most of the dickheads that comprise these faculties are M$ drones, who really think they are a sysadmin when they can make their own shortcut on the desktop...
It has to come from the top, someone has to show the Industry, and subsequently these people, what Industry Standard really means.
(Not M$ $ubstandards!!!)
Can you say TROLL - nobody is stupid enough to think NT doesn't do the best BSOD's ever!
The problem for Windows NT is that it is being sold to unwary organisations as an Enterprise level Server solution, M$ touts it as this so I suppose if the buyer only goes on advertising rather than decent research then the onus really is on them anyway (after all, it's caveat emptor - let the buyer beware!)
NT is most definitely not what M$ says it is, it will never be a viable alternative to any UNIX (or even Linux) for large scale server implementation. It only barely makes the cut as a workstation O/S!
The biggest problem is stability, NT servers fall over with monotonous regularity, and uptimes rarely exceed even a week. Even on a desktop machine it hardly makes it through a day without at least one reboot.
In all honesty most sysadmins would prefer the more simplistic Win9x variants to the overly convoluted and uninspired Win NT on their workstations, the help desk calls alone would be cut in half.
What makes me sad is that because the purchasing departments of many organisations are being influenced by the slick salesmanship and pricing tricks of M$, they are ignoring the experienced advice of their sysadmins and IT staff and moving over to NT anyway. People in the IT world are starting to accept unnecessary and regular server crashes and reboots, tremendous network lag, and NT's famous "it shouldn't do that!" capers as the norm, when at this level nothing less than rock stable servers should be tolerated.
Until organisations start to listen to and effectively use and trust their own IT professionals, after all, isn't that why they pay them??? then idiots in the purchasing departments who know nothing about IT will keep rolling out crap like NT, Terminal Server, M$ SQL Server et al, and we all have to suffer.
The answer to that age old question - YES - it is possible to watch Robocop too many times?
I hope this title makes it to my local video rental store - it's not something I would buy, but $5.00 overnight would be a small price to pay to see this little jewel.
Just the mental image of this guy being piss-bowled by a small truck has me in hysterics, not to mention launching himself off an escarpment....it's gotta be like that super-sumo stuff they do in pubs and nightclubs!
Sure there may be some legitimate scientific uses for this kind of tech, but the comedy value alone is outstanding...
Sorry dude, but yep, even server software!
My local Technical college staff have been assimilated by M$ in just this fashion.
They don't even think it is a problem that they had to write a script to reboot their NT Servers every Sunday afternoon just so that they can get a few weekdays uptime before they start to fall over.
The same people even think that it's fine to wait for service packs - just to fix a bug that really should not have been in a commercial product anyway. And they are being taught that it's ok to have to buy additional funcionality in the form of a "resource kit" just to get the features the O/S should have had in the first place.
It sounds like something Monty Python would have come up with, but it's true.
I find this truly disturbing, don't you?
What a great heights to aspire to eh?
I must say that I agree with this post - why not, in a very competitive IT industry (globally) be multiskilled, whether we like it or not it is the way of the future.
A lot of people still in training - even at the higher tertiary level - just don't realize just what a diverse range of systems they are going to encounter in the "real" world. Real Managers, (generally not IT literate) just want things to work, period! They don't care about the minutae of every bit of HW and SW, and they don't like any change - especially radical.
They want to keep using the crappy email proggy they are used to, or the only dodgy word processor that they can handle. And it doesn't matter that we see these people as technically inept, they have the seniority in most organizations and are effectively your boss!
It really makes you wonder what "caveats" were placed on Bill's recent billion dollar "donation", doesn't it???
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http://www.scifiweb.com/frames/main.html
http://www.sddt.com/files/librarywire/98/02/02/
...before you go making uninformed sweeping statements like that!
You're not too bright are you?
I think you'll probably find that I've posted more frequently than that - just not too recently.
As for my comments, let go of your penis long enough to do some research and you may just find that what I have stated is fact, whether it suits you or not.
Fuck you "Stop whining and code it yourself" parrots piss me off!
Can't you come up with a response that's at least original, if not pertinent?
Not every user wants to code their own shit, or has the programming ability to do so, it's the nature of the world - so get over it!
You know, it's easy to sit back, read other people's posts and then reply, trying to look clever like you did, but the real test of a person is whether or not they stand by their convictions, I do.
Yeah, I got trolled, I will freely admit that...but it was pretty bloody subtle humour, and I'll bet I'm not the only one! The sad part is what led me to get caught out in the first place - Let me illustrate: the Linux community is gradually "dumbing down" (you're a good example of that!) to a point where it won't be long before comments like that are completely devoid of satire - some people I have met actually think like that - and that scares me.
I thought we were getting over the M$ monopoly when along comes RH and tries the same stunt again...this is beneficial for no-one, except of course RH! What really frightens me is that they are succeeding - largely due to the same uninformed (dumbed down) users I spoke of earlier.
If you can honestly say this doesn't frighten you then you are either a fool or a liar!
I'm not pissed off at RH for making money, I'm pissed off at them for bastardizing someone else's work, and presenting it in a substandard form to the general public, and doing it successfully...forget about Debian, there are plenty of better distro's out there than RH. I'm also pissed off at the Linux community in general, for being stupid enough to allow RH to get as far with this charade as they have, it doesn't say much for us as a group of so called "intellectuals" now does it?
All I can say to you is that at least you had the intestinal fortitude to post as yourself, not AC, as do many other frightened children!
And just what have you contributed to the code, Numbnuts??? If you're such an advocate of Linux, why don't you have the courage to post as other than an AC? It's fairly obvious that you really don't understand what I said, and in what context it was said, the original poster did, he was being sarcastic, and he caught me out, you however are just being stupid.
It also appears that you cannot see what is happening in the Linux and the business world. You can lie about your credentials (Mr "93") all you like, but if you're too stupid to see the recurring (and documented) trend that many of us do then quite frankly, you are an imbecile. But then you already know that don't you?
Let me guess, you're pissed off because you paid full price for Redhat, eh?
hehehe...nice one dude.
Perhaps that's the Micro$oft security strategy - if you can't connect to the box you can't crack it - you can't get more secure than that!
;)
They really should have controlled the experiment better then shouldn't they? Perhaps isolating the box off their (critical) network, or limiting it's intranet connectivity to other, non-critical machines? Yes it seems simplistic, but then maybe they'd have gotten better results, less troubles and slightly less egg on their faces!
He's gone the closest (pretty darn close - for my money) to date.
Since they have effectively pulled the plug on the experiment prematurely for reasons they really should have anticipated from the outset they should now cough up the goods!!!
Dude, when Windoze detects just about anything it produces a bloody blue screen! This effectively halts everything - including productivity, eh?
Your socio-political rhetoric is classical of that borne of education without experience. We are talking about the Internet here, Intellect, not guns or prostitution. The Internet is about Ideas, Opinions and Thoughts - when these are to be censored, what will the forum be for like minded individuals to express their opinions without fear of recrimination or persecution.
The world is not a "hive mind", many of us (evidently not you) still value individuality and freedom of choice.
Well, one word actually, two syllables - but I get your point.
Thank goodness for that - I was starting to worry that Redhat might have gotten hold of the source code for the Micro$oft Subliminal Message Wizard and begun using it to assimilate unsuspecting users...
Phew, but I still won't be letting my guard down!
Your name's not really Bill Gate$ is it??? Who else would be silly enough to want another decade of minimal choice?
Do you actually use Linux, or are you a "blissful" Windows user? One of the reasons why Linux has become so popular of late is that the very Windows users you seem to think exist in such "utter bliss" are looking for something better, there's nothing wrong with having viable alternatives, and I can assure you - Redhat would not be my distro of choice, it's a crap distribution - there are plenty of distro's out there vastly superior to RH. Not to mention that they are selling the fruits of someone else's labour for their own corporate gain, mainly to fools like you! And the scariest part is you are proud to admit you are dumb enough to help fund their attempted monopoly.
You can't compare UNIX to Linux, they are as different (ideologically) as chalk and cheese. Linux was designed from the ground up as an open source alternative, not a commercial O/S. It's companies trying to monopolize Linux for their own ends that will screw us, not the distro's giving away their work on it purely for the betterment of Linux itself.
You should take the time to remember, where the hell would Linux be without the GPL, and open source??? You want to go back to writing your own drivers, eh?
Now Redhat is getting rich on the unpaid work of the thousands of volunteers worldwide who have put so much of their lives into improving Linux for everybody, and fools like you want them to close their (poached) source for their own gain - are you intellectually impaired in some way?