It's April 20th. Can you guys be at least a little bit sensitive to the families and friends of those involved? Three of my close friends teach there, and knew those two assholes personally. They don't represent any rift between "geek culture" and the rest of the world, they are just a couple of pricks who have did immeasurable damage to the lives of teachers, students, families and friends of those involved in what happened and gave pompous blowhards like Katz a license to pontificate on the state of American culture and media. I'm done venting now.
On second thought I shouldn't have been apologetic about it. Yes it is true that third party products make living with microsoft easier - maybe it shouldn't be necessary to use ZenWOrks or DriveImage, but it is handy. I would love to deploy linux in my company, but I dread the idea of training on StarOffice or Gnome or KDE, etc.
I'm not saying that StarOffice is hard to use or that any of the desktop managers have a steep learning curve, but:
1. People are resistant to change (anyone here remember migrating a shop from 3.1 to 95?)
2. The company I work for pays people to be productive (not to learn new a new OS)
3. Many of the applications we use don't run on Linux and never will (i.e. ceridian and solomon)
4. There really aren't a whole lot of decent "CIO approved" desktop management tools for Linux (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I can use it as a case to show management why we should be using Linux.)
Just my $.02, please comment if you think I'm a nutcase.
Sorry to piss on your picnic basket folks, but I personally have to say that I use Microsoft products every day at work - not server side (I use HP-UX and Netware for that.) As far as the desktop is concerned M$ products are really not that bad - easy to support and easy to maintain esp. with products like Drive Image and ZenWorks. I hope I don't sound like a M$ flunky, but if I do then "oh, well..."
Anyway, as far as I am concerned I hope that M$ does not get broken up, because IMHO the cure might be worse than the disease.
I haven't been doing the unix thing too long, but I can remember a time before LVM (on commercial unices, not linux.) In fact that was something we discussed at the last HP operational review I attended in January, whether Unix with LVM was really still Unix, or something else entirely. I personally don't think Unix will ever die, it just gets better every day.
...aren't you just a great big asshole. I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I certainly don't think that RACIST comments are appropriate to this thread. SCO does stink; after all, it's based on a Microsoft product. However, stinky or not, and whether or not the CEO makes comments that are inflammatory, he's just trying to cover his ass.
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...and just when you thought gui's were for dildos.
I personally don't see the need for using GNOME or KDE, both are memory hogs and both are eye candy. I've been using WindowMaker for the past year --WindowMaker is stable, fast and extensible (if you need it to be.) The only reason I run a window manager (and I suspect, many of you) at all is so I can have 10 terminals open at the same time and use Netscape and the GIMP. This is Linux, remember? If you want something with pretty colours and flashing things, go watch "Must-see-TV" or something.
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It's April 20th. Can you guys be at least a little bit sensitive to the families and friends of those involved? Three of my close friends teach there, and knew those two assholes personally. They don't represent any rift between "geek culture" and the rest of the world, they are just a couple of pricks who have did immeasurable damage to the lives of teachers, students, families and friends of those involved in what happened and gave pompous blowhards like Katz a license to pontificate on the state of American culture and media. I'm done venting now.
On second thought I shouldn't have been apologetic about it. Yes it is true that third party products make living with microsoft easier - maybe it shouldn't be necessary to use ZenWOrks or DriveImage, but it is handy. I would love to deploy linux in my company, but I dread the idea of training on StarOffice or Gnome or KDE, etc.
I'm not saying that StarOffice is hard to use or that any of the desktop managers have a steep learning curve, but:
1. People are resistant to change (anyone here remember migrating a shop from 3.1 to 95?)
2. The company I work for pays people to be productive (not to learn new a new OS)
3. Many of the applications we use don't run on Linux and never will (i.e. ceridian and solomon)
4. There really aren't a whole lot of decent "CIO approved" desktop management tools for Linux (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I can use it as a case to show management why we should be using Linux.)
Just my $.02, please comment if you think I'm a nutcase.
Sorry to piss on your picnic basket folks, but I personally have to say that I use Microsoft products every day at work - not server side (I use HP-UX and Netware for that.) As far as the desktop is concerned M$ products are really not that bad - easy to support and easy to maintain esp. with products like Drive Image and ZenWorks. I hope I don't sound like a M$ flunky, but if I do then "oh, well..."
Anyway, as far as I am concerned I hope that M$ does not get broken up, because IMHO the cure might be worse than the disease.
Yeah, I really have to agree with that statement.
I haven't been doing the unix thing too long, but I can remember a time before LVM (on commercial unices, not linux.) In fact that was something we discussed at the last HP operational review I attended in January, whether Unix with LVM was really still Unix, or something else entirely. I personally don't think Unix will ever die, it just gets better every day.
maybe try redbrick? we use this where i work (sorry, I'd like to say where, but i can't) and me like it a lot. me like a whole lot.
...aren't you just a great big asshole. I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I certainly don't think that RACIST comments are appropriate to this thread. SCO does stink; after all, it's based on a Microsoft product. However, stinky or not, and whether or not the CEO makes comments that are inflammatory, he's just trying to cover his ass.
...and just when you thought gui's were for dildos.
I personally don't see the need for using GNOME or KDE, both are memory hogs and both are eye candy. I've been using WindowMaker for the past year --WindowMaker is stable, fast and extensible (if you need it to be.) The only reason I run a window manager (and I suspect, many of you) at all is so I can have 10 terminals open at the same time and use Netscape and the GIMP. This is Linux, remember? If you want something with pretty colours and flashing things, go watch "Must-see-TV" or something.