I will sign up, though my Unix development is a bit rusty. Time to dust off gcc,ddd and c-mode
I wonder though, two issues I can see arising is
1. Trust
If you are a large corporation, will you really trust someone who you have never meet and has no connection with your company. To develop what maybe a critical software tool for them. If the project goes belly up before completion, what comeback is their for the company?
2. Platform
I wonder if more than linux software is going to be developed. There a few of us out there who develop free software for Windoze.
Midwest US, er that would involve me packing everything up and moving 5000 miles down the street. I friend of mine got a Job with a firm in Chicago, but I don't want to leave Europe just yet.
Then again I suppose a couple of years in the states could be fun
Some countries around the around world have pretty insane policies. But the US policy concerning firearms takes the biscuit.
I don't know, but I could make the point that this has happened several times already in the states. And hasn't happened in any other 1st world country on anywhere near the same scale.
What the hell is going on, what are you guys doing to your children ?
In france individulism is a well respected trait, in germany it is admired, in the netherlands it is ignored, in britain it isn't liked but it is accepted, in Ireland its laughed at but repected.
You guys needs to go back to basics, the first and all important basic being Respect one another.
I am Irish, educated to Honors Degree Level in Compuational Linguistics in Ireland, with a years placement in Paris. I have high technical appitude etc and love innovative software. I graduate in about a month and I can't get a flipping Job.
Its has gotten to the silly stage. No one loves me )C:
I was at a SCO presentation before Xmas last. They used a time limited version of Win NT to display powerpoint slides, and the license ran out have way through. Needless to say we weren't very impressed.
I can't also remember that there tools were pretty bad implementations of there GNU's equivalent, perhaps its time for them to rethink thinks before they go the same way as the Dinosaurs.
After all the tree that doesn'y sway with the wind is broken by it. I wonder it the CEO listens to his developers much
I used to use Java, but its beans kept bunging up my machine, so now I just drink Tea and program C instead. What all this cross platform rubbish, if it ain't free source, and doesn't compile on a POSIX platform. I don't waste my time with it.
The only true cross-platform application is a free source one.
Washington State Resident - I'll sue if you spam Just out of interest, not threat. If someone from indonesia spamed you ?. What realistically could you do about it ? Apart from spam them back ofcourse
MEPs are usually harder to track down than a student grant. I should imagine if the EU parliment enacted similar legislation about companies it itself deals with, and the governments, their state and semi-state bodies deal with we could be talking about ALOT of european industry.
I doubt that they would be willing to do it, they wouldn't want to distabilise industry in certain member states more than it already is
Makes me wonder, Anyone doing business with or is a US Government body must comply to standards set down by federal law. That actually doesn't narrow it down much really does. And consider how much of the internet is located outside the US where federal law has no duristiction ( can't spell I know ). What is really needed is an international body to standardise it, perhaps a UN commitee would be the best idea.
I was arguing that censorship no matter what the reason is usually a very bad idea, we should be able to make the desicion on personal level whether we expose ourselves to something or not and not have someone elses morality imposed upon us.
Think of it, lets say for instance, the suits create a commercial office suit which is fair superior to a Freeware one produced by someone like the KDE project. (or even worse MS OFFICE is ported).
This will have two effects, it will prolly increase Linux popularity with industry by providing them with someone to blame if anything goes wrong. However it could possibly kill the FreeWare effort due to waning popularity.
If this happened enough times, you could go from a FreeOS to semi-free Os and evenually on to mostly commercially Os.
I prefered it when I was the only guy I knew who used Linux (C:, glory days of '95
The majority of people who listen to net music, (mp3's etc) are people like us. 99% of people who use windoze only will be barely aware of net music if it all.
The more enlightened user (like us) will vote with his feet, and enligthened users take alot of convincing to move from a product that has worked well and exchange it for an MS product.
When I write code, I write it for the sheer pleasure of coding as I am sure most of you do. People like me tend toward programming techniques that industry would avoid, because they make difficult reading, recursion etc.
I apply the rule my old maths teacher used to say "Mathematicians(Programmers) are lazy" and its not neccessarily a bad thing.
However when you look at industry, that is where you can make a better comparison as code is written to be able to be read at some stage in the future and therefore bad programming practises are avoided, and code tends to more iterative.
If American Industry programmers are called lazy, I would say good luck to them, 'cos they are getting away with something I can't (C:
Doesn't include any information on how to debug the lanuage perchance. I have spent long pleasure filled hours resorting to the good ole reliable puts (printf for those of the C clan)to debug it.
I would sell my soul and carpent lint for a decent debugger. Still though not as bad as the days when I was writting speech systems in TCL. Had to spent several weeks in a padded romm after that
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I will sign up, though my Unix development is a bit rusty. Time to dust off gcc,ddd and c-mode
I wonder though, two issues I can see arising is
1. TrustIf you are a large corporation, will you really trust someone who you have never meet and has no connection with your company. To develop what maybe a critical software tool for them. If the project goes belly up before completion, what comeback is their for the company?
2. PlatformI wonder if more than linux software is going to be developed. There a few of us out there who develop free software for Windoze.
Er,
Midwest US, er that would involve me packing everything up and moving 5000 miles down the street. I friend of mine got a Job with a firm in
Chicago, but I don't want to leave Europe just yet.
Then again I suppose a couple of years in the states could be fun
For an outsider looking in,
Some countries around the around world have pretty insane policies. But the US policy
concerning firearms takes the biscuit.
I don't know, but I could make the point that this
has happened several times already in the states.
And hasn't happened in any other 1st world country on anywhere near the same scale.
What the hell is going on, what are you guys doing to your children ?
In france individulism is a well respected trait, in germany it is admired, in the netherlands it is ignored, in britain it isn't liked but it is accepted, in Ireland its laughed at but repected.
You guys needs to go back to basics, the first and
all important basic being Respect one another.
Hey
I am Irish, educated to Honors Degree Level in Compuational Linguistics in Ireland, with a years
placement in Paris. I have high technical appitude
etc and love innovative software. I graduate in
about a month and I can't get a flipping Job.
Its has gotten to the silly stage. No one loves me )C:
I must learn pearl one of these day
I was at a SCO presentation before Xmas last. They used a time limited version of Win NT to display powerpoint slides, and the license ran out have way through. Needless to say we weren't very impressed.
I can't also remember that there tools were pretty bad implementations of there GNU's equivalent, perhaps its time for them to rethink thinks before they go the same way as the Dinosaurs.
After all the tree that doesn'y sway with the wind is broken by it. I wonder it the CEO listens to his developers much
I used to use Java, but its beans kept bunging up my machine, so now I just drink Tea and program C instead. What all this cross platform rubbish, if it ain't free source, and doesn't compile on a POSIX platform. I don't waste my time with it.
The only true cross-platform application is a free source one.
Washington State Resident - I'll sue if you spam Just out of interest, not threat. If someone from indonesia spamed you ?. What realistically could you do about it ? Apart from spam them back ofcourse
hum,
MEPs are usually harder to track down than a student grant. I should imagine if the EU parliment enacted similar legislation about companies it itself deals with, and the governments, their state and semi-state bodies deal with we could be talking about ALOT of european industry.
I doubt that they would be willing to do it, they wouldn't want to distabilise industry in certain member states more than it already is
Makes me wonder, Anyone doing business with or is a US Government body must comply to standards set down by federal law. That actually doesn't narrow it down much really does. And consider how much of the internet is located outside the US where federal law has no duristiction ( can't spell I know ). What is really needed is an international body to standardise it, perhaps a UN commitee would be the best idea.
Well I had an old pizza box sparc,
and it only had a Com Terminal as there was no video card.
One day a guy I know gave me one he had lying around cool, me thinks. I put it in, put a monitor on it and fired up the machine.
Of course, nothing worked. I eventually got so frustrated that I stabbed it with a screw driver.
BANG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fried the card, but the sparc was ok.
phew!!!!!!!
Found out later that the reason the "spare" monitor was lying around, was cos it was broken too.
If I amn't in the US, lets say France, and I put up a Dilbert Parody Website (speculatively only), on a french web server.
Whats the legality involved, could they easily prosecute me ?, would they have to prosecute me under French or European law.
Just out of interest is all
I can't see the PHB changing either, but then again who can tell what will happen,
we mustn't forget about all the companies who have endorsed and produced OSS themselves.
I dunno, it will be interesting if nothing else to see how things progress
Yes thanks I do understand what censorship is,
I was arguing that censorship no matter what the reason is usually a very bad idea, we should be able to make the desicion on personal level whether we expose ourselves to something or not and not have someone elses morality imposed upon us.
Certainly I agree,
Think of it, lets say for instance, the suits create a commercial office suit which is fair superior to a Freeware one produced by someone like the KDE project. (or even worse MS OFFICE is ported).
This will have two effects, it will prolly increase Linux popularity with industry by providing them with someone to blame if anything goes wrong. However it could possibly kill the FreeWare effort due to waning popularity.
If this happened enough times, you could go from a FreeOS to semi-free Os and evenually on to mostly commercially Os.
I prefered it when I was the only guy I knew who used Linux (C:, glory days of '95
There is no substitute for a thick skin,
Its like watching TV, if you don't like whats
on or find it offensive, change the channel.
There is no substitute for a thick skin,
Its like watching TV, if you don't like whats
on or find it offensive, change the channel.
Microsoft may not win this war,
The majority of people who listen to net music, (mp3's etc) are people like us. 99% of people who use windoze only will be barely aware of net music if it all.
The more enlightened user (like us) will vote with his feet, and enligthened users take alot of convincing to move from a product that has worked well and exchange it for an MS product.
Microsoft have alot of convincing to do
They make the only decent mice anyway, anything else other than logitech just sucks,
finally got my pilot mouse middle button working proparily. I can secure the keyboard again
HOORAY !When I write code, I write it for the sheer pleasure of coding as I am sure most of you do. People like me tend toward programming techniques that industry would avoid, because they make difficult reading, recursion etc.
I apply the rule my old maths teacher used to say "Mathematicians(Programmers) are lazy" and its not neccessarily a bad thing.
However when you look at industry, that is where you can make a better comparison as code is written to be able to be read at some stage in the future and therefore bad programming practises are avoided, and code tends to more iterative.
If American Industry programmers are called lazy, I would say good luck to them, 'cos they are getting away with something I can't (C:
Hey,
I just rooted our my OLD SB pro 8 bit,
and stuck it in on the same irq / dma / etc
as the SB Live SB16 emulation.
It works fine unders linux, and windows doesn't see it, and uses the SB16 emulation instead for all my old dos games.
Cool huh, best of both world, except for when I try and play a 16bit sound under linux )C:
Doesn't include any information on how to debug the lanuage perchance. I have spent long pleasure filled hours resorting to the good ole reliable puts (printf for those of the C clan)to debug it.
I would sell my soul and carpent lint for a decent debugger. Still though not as bad as the days when I was writting speech systems in TCL. Had to spent several weeks in a padded romm after that