>>Apple pulls similar tricks when they compare their G3 systems to x86 machines.
**Excuse me?** Would you like to provide facts to back this up?
Even PC Magazine, a company that almost no one would argue would be biased in favor of Apple vs. Wintel, admits that a G3/400 beats a Dell Dimension XPS T500 Pentium III on tests using an application *widely reported* to be heavily optimized for MMX and SSE! All that with a 20% slower clock speed!
Imagine that--an independent study of G3 vs. x86 and other processors...hmm...a PII/300 is over 33% slower than a G3/266 (13% slower clock), and over 17% slower than a Rev. A iMac (29% slower clock).
Not to mention that a PII/450 is 8% slower than a G3/333 (a clock difference of over 35%)!
Keep your uninformed crap to yourself. The discussions of G3 vs. Pentium II/III proved long ago the superiority of the PowerPC architecture.
I couldn't really care less what people assume about me or my company. If you want to know more about me, try taking a look around on the Internet (perhaps you've heard of it?). Whether or not you or anyone else has heard of me, the company, or anything I or we have done has no impact on my self-esteem.
The point I was trying to make is that rather than make glib, purile comments like the one you made, perhaps you should consider making your opinion of the business and research practices of companies like DHBA known. If everyone sits back and listens to this kind of crap without responding, we are all doomed to be deluged with more of the same.
I didn't assume anything about your personality; I responded to the statement you made, which had absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand. Like so many other posts on Slashdot and elsewhere on the Internet, it accomplished nothing but to waste bandwidth.
Perhaps if you resorted to more mature methods of communication than attacks of a personal nature, people would take you and your opinions more seriously. As it stands, all you have done is to prove your own point that this issue has provoke knee-jerk reactions.
My intent in responding directly to DHBA was not to "scare" them, as you seem to believe, but to inform them that they have lost another potential customer by publicizing the fact that their research methods are lacking in integrity. Frankly, I'm rather tired of that kind of crap, and I felt like saying something about it.
What I didn't realize is that I would be subjected to simple-minded comments like yours, which mistake my lack of willingness to spend time instructing those whose integrity I question for a lack of experience, knowledge, or ability.
For the record, I would certainly not consider myself a "corporate big shot", and I certainly don't need to fake anything. I simply provide my identity as a matter of course when I correspond with others, as any *adult* should. My identity is easy enough to verify, should any desire to spend the time doing so.
More to the point, why should DHBA assume anythng other than that I am a potential customer? They may laugh all they like, but they will still not receive any money from me.
Where is it written that only famous people have opinions that matter? Only an utter fool would entirely ignore the voices of potential customers. Every voice is important in some way; a million whispers at once make a very loud sound. I have added my voice--where, sir, is yours?
Unfortunately for us all, you seem to think your voice is more important than most. Equally unfortunately, you seem to care quite a bit less than you act, and act irresponsibly when you do care.
DHBA is selling a report for a thousand dollars that draws unsupported results from dubious methods. If this is the type of work DHBA and Mr. Iams put out, why should I care to have any knowledge of their past efforts?
I never claimed that Linux is the "be-all/end-all" of operating systems. What I take umbrage at is DHBA's classification of Linux as not being "enterprise-ready". The probablitity that one would be ill-advised to run an "HMO data center" on Linux when compared to other systems is irrelevant to the majority of businesses in the world, who don't generally find themselves running "HMO data centers".
I wouldn't advise anyone to deploy any UNIX variant or derivative as an enterprise-wide end-user office productivity solution (yet); does that make those self-same OS's non- "enterprise-class"? It depends on one's point of view.
I didn't criticize DHBA for using what you term "industry recognized" or "industry standard" benchmarks, I criticize them for NOT using them! DHBA attempts to support much of their claims concerning "scalability" (another term with many, varied definitions) with the assertion that "no published figures are available". How preposterous! If you can't find figures, build some boxes and test--that's *real* research.
What is to be gained from this? How about truth, facts, and scientifically supportable conclusions?
Why do I think that this firm is defending the status quo (by which I mean established UNIX-variant vendors) at the expense of Linux? Because they are using the current hot topic to generate sales of a poorly-researched report by playing upon the fears of most IS managers that they might be doing their jobs in a better fashion , i.e. not wasting so much money.
"Oh,yes, yes...Linux is good, but it's no good for *enterprise* operations...don't stop buying multi-million dollar AIX/Solaris/HP-UX/what-have-you systems...never mind that for the same price as that single 32-processor SuperDuperBox you could buy several Linux machines, along with the people to program your applications and manage the system..."
I can see that you *do* have a reason to protect your identity. If Slashdot readers knew who you were, they would be advising others to steer clear of you and your company, if reading reports like this pathetic DHBA trash is how you draw *your* conclusions.
BTW, judging from the way HMO's conduct their businesses, I'd say they have much more to worry about than Linux vs. other *NIX'es...
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>>Apple pulls similar tricks when they compare their G3 systems to x86 machines.
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**Excuse me?** Would you like to provide facts to back this up?
Even PC Magazine, a company that almost no one would argue would be biased in favor of Apple vs. Wintel, admits that a G3/400 beats a Dell Dimension XPS T500 Pentium III on tests using an application *widely reported* to be heavily optimized for MMX and SSE! All that with a 20% slower clock speed!
http://www.zdnet.com/products/stories/reviews/0
Perhaps you've heard of Project Appleseed? No?
http://exodus.physics.ucla.edu/appleseed/apples
Imagine that--an independent study of G3 vs. x86 and other processors...hmm...a PII/300 is over 33% slower than a G3/266 (13% slower clock), and over 17% slower than a Rev. A iMac (29% slower clock).
Not to mention that a PII/450 is 8% slower than a G3/333 (a clock difference of over 35%)!
Keep your uninformed crap to yourself. The discussions of G3 vs. Pentium II/III proved long ago the superiority of the PowerPC architecture.
I couldn't really care less what people assume about me or my company. If you want to know more about me, try taking a look around on the Internet (perhaps you've heard of it?). Whether or not you or anyone else has heard of me, the company, or anything I or we have done has no impact on my self-esteem.
The point I was trying to make is that rather than make glib, purile comments like the one you made, perhaps you should consider making your opinion of the business and research practices of companies like DHBA known. If everyone sits back and listens to this kind of crap without responding, we are all doomed to be deluged with more of the same.
I didn't assume anything about your personality; I responded to the statement you made, which had absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand. Like so many other posts on Slashdot and elsewhere on the Internet, it accomplished nothing but to waste bandwidth.
Perhaps if you resorted to more mature methods of communication than attacks of a personal nature, people would take you and your opinions more seriously. As it stands, all you have done is to prove your own point that this issue has provoke knee-jerk reactions.
My intent in responding directly to DHBA was not to "scare" them, as you seem to believe, but to inform them that they have lost another potential customer by publicizing the fact that their research methods are lacking in integrity. Frankly, I'm rather tired of that kind of crap, and I felt like saying something about it.
What I didn't realize is that I would be subjected to simple-minded comments like yours, which mistake my lack of willingness to spend time instructing those whose integrity I question for a lack of experience, knowledge, or ability.
For the record, I would certainly not consider myself a "corporate big shot", and I certainly don't need to fake anything. I simply provide my identity as a matter of course when I correspond with others, as any *adult* should. My identity is easy enough to verify, should any desire to spend the time doing so.
More to the point, why should DHBA assume anythng other than that I am a potential customer? They may laugh all they like, but they will still not receive any money from me.
Where is it written that only famous people have opinions that matter? Only an utter fool would entirely ignore the voices of potential customers. Every voice is important in some way; a million whispers at once make a very loud sound. I have added my voice--where, sir, is yours?
Unfortunately for us all, you seem to think your voice is more important than most. Equally unfortunately, you seem to care quite a bit less than you act, and act irresponsibly when you do care.
I hope someday you realize the futility of silence, Jeff.
Still, you miss my point...
,yes, yes...Linux is good, but it's no good for *enterprise* operations...don't stop buying multi-million dollar AIX/Solaris/HP-UX/what-have-you systems...never mind that for the same price as that single 32-processor SuperDuperBox you could buy several Linux machines, along with the people to program your applications and manage the system..."
DHBA is selling a report for a thousand dollars that draws unsupported results from dubious methods. If this is the type of work DHBA and Mr. Iams put out, why should I care to have any knowledge of their past efforts?
I never claimed that Linux is the "be-all/end-all" of operating systems. What I take umbrage at is DHBA's classification of Linux as not being "enterprise-ready". The probablitity that one would be ill-advised to run an "HMO data center" on Linux when compared to other systems is irrelevant to the majority of businesses in the world, who don't generally find themselves running "HMO data centers".
I wouldn't advise anyone to deploy any UNIX variant or derivative as an enterprise-wide end-user office productivity solution (yet); does that make those self-same OS's non- "enterprise-class"? It depends on one's point of view.
I didn't criticize DHBA for using what you term "industry recognized" or "industry standard" benchmarks, I criticize them for NOT using them! DHBA attempts to support much of their claims concerning "scalability" (another term with many, varied definitions) with the assertion that "no published figures are available". How preposterous! If you can't find figures, build some boxes and test--that's *real* research.
What is to be gained from this? How about truth, facts, and scientifically supportable conclusions?
Why do I think that this firm is defending the status quo (by which I mean established UNIX-variant vendors) at the expense of Linux? Because they are using the current hot topic to generate sales of a poorly-researched report by playing upon the fears of most IS managers that they might be doing their jobs in a better fashion , i.e. not wasting so much money.
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I can see that you *do* have a reason to protect your identity. If Slashdot readers knew who you were, they would be advising others to steer clear of you and your company, if reading reports like this pathetic DHBA trash is how you draw *your* conclusions.
BTW, judging from the way HMO's conduct their businesses, I'd say they have much more to worry about than Linux vs. other *NIX'es...
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