Re:GNU-Darwin Background: Pudge is wrong
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GNU-Darwin clearly supports PPC. Read your own Slashdot link. The real news was that MacSlash "reported" that we dropped PPC support, even though we didn't. We never said that we would produce no more new stuff for PPC, but rather that we would not link to proprietary libraries. GNU-Darwin is assiduously consistent.
If you want GNU-Darwin background and a balanced view, ignore Pudge's "FUD" and try the following links.
We are eager to hear constructive criticism about the Distribution, but it is wrong to spread falsehoods. There is nothing mystical or religious about that, is there?
It is a falsehood to say that GNU-Darwin doesn't support PPC, and our enemies have used this spectacular lie to undermine our credibility. One might speculate about their motives, but no one can deny that it is wrong and immoral. It is sad that so many people have been taken in by the deception.
I would think that the community would be interested in the advances of the free software community on behalf of Apple users, especially when we provide the source code for our free DVD recording software. Is MacSlash an open forum or not? GNU-Darwin has generated plenty of ad revenue for MacSlash. Just check their HOF.
$0. OpenDarwin already has sponsors with deep pockets. GNU-Darwin has nothing like that, so we depend on proceeds from contributing users and disc sales to grow the Distribution.
I always try to give credit, but we distribute over 10,000 software titles, so that gets a little hard. FreeBSD, Apple, and OpenDarwin get big prominent links on our web pages. We mentioned the fact that the disc in question was OpenDarwin-6.6.1 in the announcement and on the ordering web page. So where is the problem? Where is the bad intent?
You are right. It is not free software. We are using Darwin to reach Apple users with software freedom. GNU-Darwin is not "tacked on" We developed the first bootable installer disc for Darwin. We brought the FreeBSD package tools and many other src-level tools to Darwin, and then we provided many thousands of packages for Darwin and Mac OS X users.
I don't know what Sen thinks about it, but we are providing these discs as a service to the community. Not everyone has broadband or CD burners you know.
Mainenance means that we continue to maintain and support the packages. We have never turned our back on the users, but rather we are engaged with Apple and the user community. Apparently some folks are uncomfortable with the nature of software freedom.
It is a shame that some are so intent on propagandizing against the Distribution, and I think people are getting sick of the lies that have been spoken against us.
I'm not trying to insult you personally, Graff, but there are all too many poeple who go on repeating these tired old saws. They need to get a grip on reality and check with the source instead of believing what people tell them about the Distribution.
Oh yea, if you are interested in helping the Distribution with our goal of reaching Apple users with software freedom, then that might also be a reason to use Darwin.
Many people are interested in the technical advantages of Darwin, which is certainly part of the equation. I thought that GNU-Darwin would be an exciting way to do my work.
We are also about the freedom part, which is why we are so excited to bring software freedom to Apple users. That is why we make sure that our software works with OS X, and we help newbies with it.
Finally, there are problems with the APSL from a free software perspective. If you already have a free OS, and you are happy with that, then you should stick with it.
It is important to note that GNU-Darwin maintains and supports nearly 10,000 packages for Mac OS X users, in addition to our 8000 for Intel and AMD based computers. We are going to be on these platforms for the duration. Here are the links.
GNU-Darwin is going with the DVD-R format, and we have free DVD recording software, which is compatible with Darwin and Mac OS X.
Read about it!Order it!
Heh, perhaps Apple will disable Apache so that it won't server mp3 files! I doubt that they will be deleting my copy of mpg123 or gtk-gnutella. Anyone for Darwin Free Audio yet?
How about a link? BTW, of course I looked for myself first, as did many of my friends, but the field is spamped with clunky scroll wheels! We actually looked for a long time, but found nothing. That is the reason for the Slashdot post.
This is a bad metaphor. Acting against a corporation is not the same as acting against a person. I'm not saying that what Igor allegedly did was right or wrong necessarily, and that remains to be demonstrated. Corporations are not people and they are not entitled to our respect or moral acknowledgement. Sympathy should be reserved for flesh and blood entities such as Igor. As a person somewhat familiar with DirectTV's treatment of the hacker community, they are getting what they deserve with this one IMHO.
Slashdot Mirror
If you want GNU-Darwin background and a balanced view, ignore Pudge's "FUD" and try the following links.
http://www.kuro5hin.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2003/ 1/20/191655/929 m l 2 028254&mode=thread
http://www.gnu.org/brave-gnu-world/issue-25.en.ht
http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=00/12/01/
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proclus
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/
I think that I have said all there is to say about this. If you still want further clarification, I'd recommend the following thread on MacSlash.
m sg _id=4466364
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?
Funny, I thought the fruit growers were suing Apple!
We are eager to hear constructive criticism about the Distribution, but it is wrong to spread falsehoods. There is nothing mystical or religious about that, is there?
It is a falsehood to say that GNU-Darwin doesn't support PPC, and our enemies have used this spectacular lie to undermine our credibility. One might speculate about their motives, but no one can deny that it is wrong and immoral. It is sad that so many people have been taken in by the deception.
I would think that the community would be interested in the advances of the free software community on behalf of Apple users, especially when we provide the source code for our free DVD recording software. Is MacSlash an open forum or not? GNU-Darwin has generated plenty of ad revenue for MacSlash. Just check their HOF.
$0. OpenDarwin already has sponsors with deep pockets. GNU-Darwin has nothing like that, so we depend on proceeds from contributing users and disc sales to grow the Distribution.
I always try to give credit, but we distribute over 10,000 software titles, so that gets a little hard. FreeBSD, Apple, and OpenDarwin get big prominent links on our web pages. We mentioned the fact that the disc in question was OpenDarwin-6.6.1 in the announcement and on the ordering web page. So where is the problem? Where is the bad intent?
> "OH MY GOD! IT'S NOT FREE!"
You are right. It is not free software. We are using Darwin to reach Apple users with software freedom. GNU-Darwin is not "tacked on" We developed the first bootable installer disc for Darwin. We brought the FreeBSD package tools and many other src-level tools to Darwin, and then we provided many thousands of packages for Darwin and Mac OS X users.
I don't know what Sen thinks about it, but we are providing these discs as a service to the community. Not everyone has broadband or CD burners you know.
It is a shame that some are so intent on propagandizing against the Distribution, and I think people are getting sick of the lies that have been spoken against us.
I'm not trying to insult you personally, Graff, but there are all too many poeple who go on repeating these tired old saws. They need to get a grip on reality and check with the source instead of believing what people tell them about the Distribution.
Regards,
proclus
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/
Oh yea, if you are interested in helping the Distribution with our goal of reaching Apple users with software freedom, then that might also be a reason to use Darwin.
Regards,
proclus
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/
http://www.apple.com/scitech/stories/cornell/
We are also about the freedom part, which is why we are so excited to bring software freedom to Apple users. That is why we make sure that our software works with OS X, and we help newbies with it.
Finally, there are problems with the APSL from a free software perspective. If you already have a free OS, and you are happy with that, then you should stick with it.
Regards,
proclus
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/
http://www.osxfaq.com/Editorial/open/
http://www.osxfaq.com/Editorial/open/index2.ws
http://www.osxfaq.com/Editorial/open/index3.ws
http://www.osxfaq.com/Editorial/open/index4.ws
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proclus
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/packages.shtml
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/x86.shtml
I've written an article which clarifies the relationship of GNU-Darwin to Apple.
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/1/20/191655/929
Yves de Champlain has also written a very helpful article explaining Apple's relationship to open source and free software.
http://www.osxfaq.com/Editorial/open/index.ws
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proclus
http://www.gnu-darwin.org/
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'Nuff said.
This is a bad metaphor. Acting against a corporation is not the same as acting against a person. I'm not saying that what Igor allegedly did was right or wrong necessarily, and that remains to be demonstrated. Corporations are not people and they are not entitled to our respect or moral acknowledgement. Sympathy should be reserved for flesh and blood entities such as Igor. As a person somewhat familiar with DirectTV's treatment of the hacker community, they are getting what they deserve with this one IMHO.
Regards,
proclus
Thank you for the helpful suggestions, most of which have been addressed in the current
version of the One Step installer.
curl http://gnu-darwin.sourceforge.net/one_stop | csh
Please feel free to contact me again, if you have any more questions or suggestions.
Cheers!
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http://www.macslash.org/comments.pl?sid=02/12/18/
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