I have never heard sooooo much verbal diatribe. You don't make a good argment simply by putting a lot of words together. Your arguments are invalid and proven so by simple statistics and even recent history should give you some clue that even though you say you are on the same side you haven't really got the point yet. I'm not arguing for the government to stomp on anyone who gets big - I want the government or someone to do something to help the little guy and not always bow down to the big end of town. MS could give a rats about anyone except MS, they don't practice fair business tactics and they don't care - they think they are invincible and the laws and principles of the world don't apply to them. They have invented NOTHING, inovated NOTHING, contributed NOTHING USEFUL. The argument that you become successful because you are good is bunkum - MS apps are very poorly designed and written. Do you really think that X86 architecture is the BEST - PLEASE !!! There are hundreds of cases in the 20th century alone where the best technology didn't win. Have a look at history before making statements about bigger must be better...
I'm not surprised you also don't understand a little light sarcasm - my vi comment - you really need to get out more, see a movie or two that don't need explaining... oops more sarcasm
You have to be kidding. I can see very significant parallels with the 'so called' strawman arguments, especially when you take into consideration all the other covert activities that the dirty giant is up to. What you defenders of the 'rights' of MS tend to forget (either because it's convienient or just because your stupid) is that the vast majority of people out there buying PCs are blissfully unaware of what MS is doing and because of that don't care. This allows the monster to grow and get away with whatever it likes because most of it's customers don't know any better. Sure we can vote with our money but the monster has got so big now and is bloated with people who don't even know that there is a choice that the ones of us who do don't number enough to make a difference. We need to use forums like this to let people know what is happening. People who complain about this being an anti-MS place - bloody oath it is. How can we compete with the marketing juggernaut that is MS, we need to chip away anyway we can - catch them in the lies they sprout every day. Interesting you mentioned vi in your original post - I'm surprised you know how to spell it...
Abosolutely. I think we all get caught up in moral issues that these criminals (and their lawyers) only worry about when it suites them. We are in a new age and the law makers of the world need to get together to work out how to deal with these crooks. Until there are internationally enforcable laws in place to deal with cyber-criminals that use the safety of a remote country to ply their trade then organisations like the FBI have to be able to play on the same field as the crims, otherwise they have no hope.
Yet another posting from someone who doesn't beleive in one's right to choose - I guess what we are seeing here is a new type of dictatorship. Just because M$ is huge and powerful they must be right in everything they say and do and make, and we must follow them without question. If we don't follow them then we are branded either insane or dangerous to the common good and must be exterminated... anyone out there read Animal Farm or Farenheit 451
You obviously haven't been paying attention. Nothing on Linux works. Don't you think it's at all interesting that a M$ site doesn't allow anything from M$'s "public enemy no.1" to work. You have to realise that some conspiracies actually do happen.
It is reallly a pleasure talking to people who have completely missed the point. Read my lips - IT DOESN'T WORK WITH ANY BROWSER ON LINUX!!! I won't call you a fool as you called me (but perhaps you should consider it a good description of yourself) and I won't lower myself to make derogatory comments about the intelligence of your ass (although I am sure yours must be a rocket scientist) but I will say this, I have dealt with place mats with more insight than you appear to have.
What if I am on a budget and I have a PC running Linux (ie the best and cheapest way to go computing). Are you saying it's OK to discriminate against me because I can't afford to pay the premium prices M$ and Apple charge for their operating environment? This isn't a technical issue this is a marketing issue - simple.
You have got to be kidding me. Tjis is a web site not rocket science. No matter how many bells and whistles were required M$ would have thrown a lot of resources at it because it is high profile. Three weeks would have been more than enough time to get it going on all platforms - if they wanted to...
You have also missed the point. Don't you get it, look at the recent past - M$ hates Linux and is currently in the throws of using any half baked false argument to make out that free is bad/evil/of the devil. Don't you think it's a little coincidental that they now have control of a government web site that won't let anything with a Linux OS use it... you need to think just a little bit
How much of a goose are you? It's pretty plain that you appear to be yet another M$ apologist that hasn't actually checked the facts.
There are no surprises in the tactics that M$ uses and why they use them - they will use any means possible to force us to buy their products.
Apart from the fact that you obviously know nothing (ie the comment "Why is it scary? Microsoft stuff is the best." confirms this fact), you have missed the point. It wouldn't matter if M$ stuff was the best - to have a Government service tied up by proprietry SW which by default would mean that anyone wanting to use this service would have to also purchase (from M$, already a giant without morals) some expensive proprietry SW. The issues involved here are far reaching and should not be taken lightly. These types of decisions only go to widen the gap between the "information haves" and the "information have-nots". Just another case of the M$ marketing machine snowing people who make technical decisions with little or no technical knowledge.
Hey guys, even though the whole potential "police state" issue is a really big problem you shouldn't take your eyes off the real game here. It is pretty obvious from reading all the associated articles which came with this posting that the problem here is the organisation that this guy is protesting against.
This organisation is very large, very powerful and not frightened to use tactics which we would usually associate with guys like Stalin or Hitler to get people to follow their way. This organisation also has very strong links with this part of the world - so does it really surprise us that a "fair trial" wasn't seen here.
Religious freedom is one thing but this isn't a religion - it's a mind controlling cult with some pretty frightening plans - we need to be awake to this and fight it as this is the real threat to our freedom and liberty.
"even a certain thirteen who were around during 30AD"...
All we need now is for some MS head to have some sort of "road to Damascus" type of experience.
If you read the second book "Restaurant at the End of the Universe" you will find the punch line for the 42 joke at the end, when Ford and Arthur are stuck on pre-historic earth trying to teach "cavemen" to play scrabble. I won't give it away here you should just read it in the book.
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Down here in the land of Oz we have had this film on video for a while now hich has given me the opportunity to see it a number of times. I actually like the title - it works for me and I liked it more AFTER seeing the movie. You need to understand the understated nature of Australians - the movie shows this and the title just underlines our nature.
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I think it's you that need to read what was said, and I quote "I saw the trailer for this last week and it looked like a really cool film until the name flashed up on the screen" - Note he saw the trailer NOT the film. So my arguments still stand - if you can't admit this small point then you have a smaller mind than some house plants I have.
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I think you have missed the point. The point is you don't judge a piece of work or art by what the artist or author happens to have called it. You judge it by its content, then make a judgement on the work and not before. My comment was directed to a person who had admitted that they hadn't seen the movie and made a judgement without having seen it - this is the main reason we have bad censorship, there are too many people who want to make judgements about things they haven't seen, read or heard. They make judgements on limited or no exposure to the work involved. If you can't understand this simple concept then I have my doubts about the comprehension comment.
So the point I make is "psycho" isn't a great movie because of the title but in spite of the title - it would still have been a great movie if it had been called something like "The Bates Motel"
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So what do you say about movies with names like - "casablanca" or "rear window" or "psyco" - I guess you are the type who needs to have a running commentary during a movie as well explaining what it is all about. Oh BTW Gone With the Wind was a book of that name before it was a movie - you can read can't you?
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Yep, that would make you an expert alright:-)
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Spoken like someone who never lived in the 1970's
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I think you have painted a very boring picture of our very unique and beautiful country. Sure most of us live on the coast, but if you spend some time with those who don't you pretty quickly see how special these people are. You are a kid living in Melbourne and like most kids your age you have an opinion about everything - like my father said to me when I was your age, "Why don't you go out and get a job while you know everything!". I'm a proud Australian, I live on the coast (but I come from the bush), I do say Gday a lot, I do have an Australian accent (and am proud of it)
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I have never heard sooooo much verbal diatribe. You don't make a good argment simply by putting a lot of words together. Your arguments are invalid and proven so by simple statistics and even recent history should give you some clue that even though you say you are on the same side you haven't really got the point yet. I'm not arguing for the government to stomp on anyone who gets big - I want the government or someone to do something to help the little guy and not always bow down to the big end of town. MS could give a rats about anyone except MS, they don't practice fair business tactics and they don't care - they think they are invincible and the laws and principles of the world don't apply to them. They have invented NOTHING, inovated NOTHING, contributed NOTHING USEFUL. The argument that you become successful because you are good is bunkum - MS apps are very poorly designed and written. Do you really think that X86 architecture is the BEST - PLEASE !!! There are hundreds of cases in the 20th century alone where the best technology didn't win. Have a look at history before making statements about bigger must be better...
I'm not surprised you also don't understand a little light sarcasm - my vi comment - you really need to get out more, see a movie or two that don't need explaining... oops more sarcasm
You have to be kidding. I can see very significant parallels with the 'so called' strawman arguments, especially when you take into consideration all the other covert activities that the dirty giant is up to. What you defenders of the 'rights' of MS tend to forget (either because it's convienient or just because your stupid) is that the vast majority of people out there buying PCs are blissfully unaware of what MS is doing and because of that don't care. This allows the monster to grow and get away with whatever it likes because most of it's customers don't know any better. Sure we can vote with our money but the monster has got so big now and is bloated with people who don't even know that there is a choice that the ones of us who do don't number enough to make a difference. We need to use forums like this to let people know what is happening. People who complain about this being an anti-MS place - bloody oath it is. How can we compete with the marketing juggernaut that is MS, we need to chip away anyway we can - catch them in the lies they sprout every day. Interesting you mentioned vi in your original post - I'm surprised you know how to spell it...
Abosolutely. I think we all get caught up in moral issues that these criminals (and their lawyers) only worry about when it suites them. We are in a new age and the law makers of the world need to get together to work out how to deal with these crooks. Until there are internationally enforcable laws in place to deal with cyber-criminals that use the safety of a remote country to ply their trade then organisations like the FBI have to be able to play on the same field as the crims, otherwise they have no hope.
Yet another posting from someone who doesn't beleive in one's right to choose - I guess what we are seeing here is a new type of dictatorship. Just because M$ is huge and powerful they must be right in everything they say and do and make, and we must follow them without question. If we don't follow them then we are branded either insane or dangerous to the common good and must be exterminated... anyone out there read Animal Farm or Farenheit 451
I'd really like to have a verbal joust with you about this but I'm not into unarmed combat.
Maybe, but at least I am able to formulate my own opinions without any help from the M$ collective.
You obviously haven't been paying attention. Nothing on Linux works. Don't you think it's at all interesting that a M$ site doesn't allow anything from M$'s "public enemy no.1" to work. You have to realise that some conspiracies actually do happen.
Are you even on the same planet as the rest of us?
It is reallly a pleasure talking to people who have completely missed the point. Read my lips - IT DOESN'T WORK WITH ANY BROWSER ON LINUX!!! I won't call you a fool as you called me (but perhaps you should consider it a good description of yourself) and I won't lower myself to make derogatory comments about the intelligence of your ass (although I am sure yours must be a rocket scientist) but I will say this, I have dealt with place mats with more insight than you appear to have.
What if I am on a budget and I have a PC running Linux (ie the best and cheapest way to go computing). Are you saying it's OK to discriminate against me because I can't afford to pay the premium prices M$ and Apple charge for their operating environment? This isn't a technical issue this is a marketing issue - simple.
You really have no clue - do you?
You have got to be kidding me. Tjis is a web site not rocket science. No matter how many bells and whistles were required M$ would have thrown a lot of resources at it because it is high profile. Three weeks would have been more than enough time to get it going on all platforms - if they wanted to...
You have also missed the point. Don't you get it, look at the recent past - M$ hates Linux and is currently in the throws of using any half baked false argument to make out that free is bad/evil/of the devil. Don't you think it's a little coincidental that they now have control of a government web site that won't let anything with a Linux OS use it... you need to think just a little bit
How much of a goose are you? It's pretty plain that you appear to be yet another M$ apologist that hasn't actually checked the facts. There are no surprises in the tactics that M$ uses and why they use them - they will use any means possible to force us to buy their products.
Apart from the fact that you obviously know nothing (ie the comment "Why is it scary? Microsoft stuff is the best." confirms this fact), you have missed the point. It wouldn't matter if M$ stuff was the best - to have a Government service tied up by proprietry SW which by default would mean that anyone wanting to use this service would have to also purchase (from M$, already a giant without morals) some expensive proprietry SW. The issues involved here are far reaching and should not be taken lightly. These types of decisions only go to widen the gap between the "information haves" and the "information have-nots". Just another case of the M$ marketing machine snowing people who make technical decisions with little or no technical knowledge.
Hey guys, even though the whole potential "police state" issue is a really big problem you shouldn't take your eyes off the real game here. It is pretty obvious from reading all the associated articles which came with this posting that the problem here is the organisation that this guy is protesting against. This organisation is very large, very powerful and not frightened to use tactics which we would usually associate with guys like Stalin or Hitler to get people to follow their way. This organisation also has very strong links with this part of the world - so does it really surprise us that a "fair trial" wasn't seen here. Religious freedom is one thing but this isn't a religion - it's a mind controlling cult with some pretty frightening plans - we need to be awake to this and fight it as this is the real threat to our freedom and liberty.
"even a certain thirteen who were around during 30AD"... All we need now is for some MS head to have some sort of "road to Damascus" type of experience.
If you read the second book "Restaurant at the End of the Universe" you will find the punch line for the 42 joke at the end, when Ford and Arthur are stuck on pre-historic earth trying to teach "cavemen" to play scrabble. I won't give it away here you should just read it in the book.
Down here in the land of Oz we have had this film on video for a while now hich has given me the opportunity to see it a number of times. I actually like the title - it works for me and I liked it more AFTER seeing the movie. You need to understand the understated nature of Australians - the movie shows this and the title just underlines our nature.
I think it's you that need to read what was said, and I quote "I saw the trailer for this last week and it looked like a really cool film until the name flashed up on the screen" - Note he saw the trailer NOT the film. So my arguments still stand - if you can't admit this small point then you have a smaller mind than some house plants I have.
I think you have missed the point. The point is you don't judge a piece of work or art by what the artist or author happens to have called it. You judge it by its content, then make a judgement on the work and not before. My comment was directed to a person who had admitted that they hadn't seen the movie and made a judgement without having seen it - this is the main reason we have bad censorship, there are too many people who want to make judgements about things they haven't seen, read or heard. They make judgements on limited or no exposure to the work involved. If you can't understand this simple concept then I have my doubts about the comprehension comment. So the point I make is "psycho" isn't a great movie because of the title but in spite of the title - it would still have been a great movie if it had been called something like "The Bates Motel"
So what do you say about movies with names like - "casablanca" or "rear window" or "psyco" - I guess you are the type who needs to have a running commentary during a movie as well explaining what it is all about. Oh BTW Gone With the Wind was a book of that name before it was a movie - you can read can't you?
Yep, that would make you an expert alright :-)
Spoken like someone who never lived in the 1970's
I think you have painted a very boring picture of our very unique and beautiful country. Sure most of us live on the coast, but if you spend some time with those who don't you pretty quickly see how special these people are. You are a kid living in Melbourne and like most kids your age you have an opinion about everything - like my father said to me when I was your age, "Why don't you go out and get a job while you know everything!". I'm a proud Australian, I live on the coast (but I come from the bush), I do say Gday a lot, I do have an Australian accent (and am proud of it)