The secret is out, and the Chinese are on to us. It clearly means, automatic piloting. Which refers to the algorithm Netflix uses generates new series. Very confusing I know. I can't even guess what term will we use when we have flying cars.
So I wonder how much of a sales boost a phone manufacturer would get for a model advertised as having an easy to replace battery and an easily repair screen? Lets say that meant the phone was a bit thicker and had a bit wider bezel. I would buy it, but what about the masses?
Well, batteries are intentionally made to be replaced, so that might not be a big problem. However, if the rest of the car is low cost compared to the battery, people might be compelled to upgrade instead of replacing a battery. So the question would be how the used EV market would look for cars with end of life batteries? Those cars might not hold value well due to battery replacement cost, OTOH, they might hold decent value since replacing the battery gives the car a lot of useful life remaining. The assumption being that the motors hold out in the long term. If motors need replacement, then the body really is just a shell.
Sorry, but optimizing 'greenness' has its limits when it comes to impacting my personal life. The line is drawn differently for different people. You made a stupid assumption about a vehicle being an SUV, not sure why you did because I never mentioned vehicle type. That show just how presumptuous some are that think rental is a good solution for others, despite not knowing a damn thing about their needs. Kids, family, extended family, pets, work related travel, traffic jams, hobbies and sports, etc etc etc.
And did you even stop to think how expensive it would be to rent a car on a holiday when everybody does it? Why produce all those ICE vehicles when they will sit on the rental lot unused for off-peak periods, and have huge price hikes to make up for it during peak rental periods? When you scale rentals for a whole nation who not rents on holidays, it has its unintended consequences.
How about having a little patience and allow the solution to meet the needs of the people rather than workarounds that make nobody happy? And how about not assuming what anyone else needs?
I proceed as quickly as possible when light turns green, but always look to make sure there are no red light runners if I am the first. Its not hard to do, it obviously depends on field of view of the particular intersection, and often the cars are already stopped in the crossing street. But I'm not talking about just the first car, as more often than not its a person back a few cars that even has more time to react yet sits there oblivious. Yes they are distracted, but that is not excuse. Pay attention, and be considerate of those behind you.
No, it does not assume my needs are constant. It assumes my need are variable. I choose my vehicle based on my variable needs, not necessarily 100%, but one that covers my needs adequately from my personal perspective. You can decide what works for you, but don't impose your standards on me.
You know what makes no sense? With a rental agency 15 miles away, driving my vehicle 15 miles to pick it up, driving 15 back to my house, then doing the whole thing in reverse end of trip. that is 60 miles of unnecessary driving, not to mention wasted time and added cost for me.
WTF are you trying to say? I was talking about a flow battery installed in a vehicle from the start. If you want to confuse people and call that a 'local energy source' so be it. A 'local energy source' could mean anything, such as one installed in the home that is local to the car owner. Its a meaningless descriptor that adds nothing to the conversation but confusion. A flow battery, installed in a car, is the energy source for that car... plain and simple.
So, if I am talking about a flow battery installed in a car as the energy source, why would you say "Unless you want to use a flow battery as a local energy source"? 'Unless' implies you mean some other application.... you said it not me.
I read what I could, but never saw the enveloping range they used to claim 90%. That is conspicuously missing. Why would they not include that most important assumption?
Where I live, lots of people charge at work, often free.
That would certainly change if 90% of the people drove EVs, at least the free part. The cost of putting in a few charges at optimal locations is a lot less than putting them in all parking spots. It may become a new way for a landlord to make extra $$
Rentals suck. There is no rental office nearby making pickup drop-off highly inconvenient, vehicles have other peoples trash in them much of the time, I have to change my schedule to eliminate extra rental days, rentals are usually not as comfortable as the car I chose for myself, I have to spend time figuring out all the controls instead of instinctively knowing where everything is (safer), I have to transfer all my crap from my normal car to the rental and back, they don't always have the vehicle I need, I can't decide leave last minute and just go, changing plans becomes problematic in general, it is expensive even if you don't change plans, if I get a ding or scratch it becomes a bureaucratic mess. That's just my starter list.
No thanks, I rent often enough and get no pleasure from it. I'll buy a car that suits my needs. Its fine for some, just don't expect it to be fine for all.
You said "Unless you want to use a flow battery as a local energy source. Which is kind of the thing we're discussing here."
It was not the kind of thing we were discussing here, and you seem to agree. Maybe you should write what you mean instead of blaming others for not reading what you meant despite your words.
Whatever...nothing in your statement applies to using flow batteries in vehicles, the topic of this thread. Seems like you are the one heading off on emotional tangents, your last sentence being proof.
Well, I'm in the US where 13.6% of drivers completely suck and screw up driving for the rest of us. That includes people who somehow seem surprised that the light turned green, and sit there completely unprepared for what to do next. Meanwhile, 4 cars that could have followed through are stuck waiting on the next.
Those mileage figures need to be taken with a huge pinch of salt. Based on my own experience with my 70D (my real world range estimate = 200 miles) I estimate a 100D would have a range of around 285 miles. Which is still excellent.
I think 381 miles will only be possible driving 30mph on a flat road with no wind.
Do they publish the basis for the range numbers? I'd be most curious to know how using air conditioning on a hot day impacts range, or driving on hills, etc. 300ish miles is pretty darn good either way.
Clearly we were discussing use in vehicles, and not 'local energy sources'. The usefulness for stationary power is completely different and none of my statements necessarily apply.
You just said a lot of nothing. If you have a fliow battery design solution for vehicles that is practical , which you seem to think is straightforward, please supply it to the industry, or let us know what it is. I never claimed problems were unsolvable, only that they exist and don't appear to have practical solutions on the way anytime soon. Facts you'd prefer to ignore. But problems don't get solved when you can't even admit they exist.
Flow battery configuration requires two fluids to be separated by a membrane, which isn't structural,and other internals so like you say, there may be some restrictions on the overalll shape of the unit. That's a thoughtful point.
Remember that in a gasl fuel tank, the amount of fuel weight goes toward zero as you use up the fuel, so you are not hauling the full weight alll the time as you would be with a flow battery. Lithium Ion batterries are also heavy, but they have pros that make them the best choice at present. The infrastructure to drain and replace flow battery electrlyte would be much more complicated and cost than simple chargers, and might not be practical for the garage.
Only a flow battery is not simply a fuel tank. Its has internals that keep two fluid separated by a membrane with maximized surface area. This is not a structural membrane that would serve well as a bafle. Changing the internal configuration affects performance. Also, its common knowledge that fuel weight is a major factor in airplane performance, which was part of my original point. Maybe I'm guilty of oversimplification of the problem, as you have oversimplified the solution. Over simplification of solutions is pretty common here on/.
I stand by my overall point, the pros of flow batteries are not sufficient to outweigh the cons wrt powering cars, and there is lttle reason to think that will change.
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What does autopilot on a drone mean?
I thought Autopilot didn't mean self-driving?!?
The secret is out, and the Chinese are on to us. It clearly means, automatic piloting. Which refers to the algorithm Netflix uses generates new series. Very confusing I know. I can't even guess what term will we use when we have flying cars.
I'd be happy with self cleaning.
So I wonder how much of a sales boost a phone manufacturer would get for a model advertised as having an easy to replace battery and an easily repair screen? Lets say that meant the phone was a bit thicker and had a bit wider bezel. I would buy it, but what about the masses?
Well, batteries are intentionally made to be replaced, so that might not be a big problem. However, if the rest of the car is low cost compared to the battery, people might be compelled to upgrade instead of replacing a battery. So the question would be how the used EV market would look for cars with end of life batteries? Those cars might not hold value well due to battery replacement cost, OTOH, they might hold decent value since replacing the battery gives the car a lot of useful life remaining. The assumption being that the motors hold out in the long term. If motors need replacement, then the body really is just a shell.
and you forgot the ultimate sin....left lane laggards.
I don't change my phone.
Sorry, but optimizing 'greenness' has its limits when it comes to impacting my personal life. The line is drawn differently for different people. You made a stupid assumption about a vehicle being an SUV, not sure why you did because I never mentioned vehicle type. That show just how presumptuous some are that think rental is a good solution for others, despite not knowing a damn thing about their needs. Kids, family, extended family, pets, work related travel, traffic jams, hobbies and sports, etc etc etc.
And did you even stop to think how expensive it would be to rent a car on a holiday when everybody does it? Why produce all those ICE vehicles when they will sit on the rental lot unused for off-peak periods, and have huge price hikes to make up for it during peak rental periods? When you scale rentals for a whole nation who not rents on holidays, it has its unintended consequences.
How about having a little patience and allow the solution to meet the needs of the people rather than workarounds that make nobody happy? And how about not assuming what anyone else needs?
I proceed as quickly as possible when light turns green, but always look to make sure there are no red light runners if I am the first. Its not hard to do, it obviously depends on field of view of the particular intersection, and often the cars are already stopped in the crossing street. But I'm not talking about just the first car, as more often than not its a person back a few cars that even has more time to react yet sits there oblivious. Yes they are distracted, but that is not excuse. Pay attention, and be considerate of those behind you.
No, it does not assume my needs are constant. It assumes my need are variable. I choose my vehicle based on my variable needs, not necessarily 100%, but one that covers my needs adequately from my personal perspective. You can decide what works for you, but don't impose your standards on me.
You know what makes no sense? With a rental agency 15 miles away, driving my vehicle 15 miles to pick it up, driving 15 back to my house, then doing the whole thing in reverse end of trip. that is 60 miles of unnecessary driving, not to mention wasted time and added cost for me.
WTF are you trying to say? I was talking about a flow battery installed in a vehicle from the start. If you want to confuse people and call that a 'local energy source' so be it. A 'local energy source' could mean anything, such as one installed in the home that is local to the car owner. Its a meaningless descriptor that adds nothing to the conversation but confusion. A flow battery, installed in a car, is the energy source for that car... plain and simple.
So, if I am talking about a flow battery installed in a car as the energy source, why would you say "Unless you want to use a flow battery as a local energy source"? 'Unless' implies you mean some other application.... you said it not me.
True, I believe you can slowly charge more like a normal battery, not sure either what that entails. Good point.
I read what I could, but never saw the enveloping range they used to claim 90%. That is conspicuously missing. Why would they not include that most important assumption?
Where I live, lots of people charge at work, often free.
That would certainly change if 90% of the people drove EVs, at least the free part. The cost of putting in a few charges at optimal locations is a lot less than putting them in all parking spots. It may become a new way for a landlord to make extra $$
Rentals suck. There is no rental office nearby making pickup drop-off highly inconvenient, vehicles have other peoples trash in them much of the time, I have to change my schedule to eliminate extra rental days, rentals are usually not as comfortable as the car I chose for myself, I have to spend time figuring out all the controls instead of instinctively knowing where everything is (safer), I have to transfer all my crap from my normal car to the rental and back, they don't always have the vehicle I need, I can't decide leave last minute and just go, changing plans becomes problematic in general, it is expensive even if you don't change plans, if I get a ding or scratch it becomes a bureaucratic mess. That's just my starter list.
No thanks, I rent often enough and get no pleasure from it. I'll buy a car that suits my needs. Its fine for some, just don't expect it to be fine for all.
The point was buying under $2K. If you have to replace the battery, you will go over. A battery alone cost more than that.
You said "Unless you want to use a flow battery as a local energy source. Which is kind of the thing we're discussing here."
It was not the kind of thing we were discussing here, and you seem to agree. Maybe you should write what you mean instead of blaming others for not reading what you meant despite your words.
Whatever...nothing in your statement applies to using flow batteries in vehicles, the topic of this thread. Seems like you are the one heading off on emotional tangents, your last sentence being proof.
Exactly, its about policy as to what will no longer be documented in emails, and how they will proceed with business as usual in the future.
Well, I'm in the US where 13.6% of drivers completely suck and screw up driving for the rest of us. That includes people who somehow seem surprised that the light turned green, and sit there completely unprepared for what to do next. Meanwhile, 4 cars that could have followed through are stuck waiting on the next.
So I welcome our green-light warning overlords.
Those mileage figures need to be taken with a huge pinch of salt. Based on my own experience with my 70D (my real world range estimate = 200 miles) I estimate a 100D would have a range of around 285 miles. Which is still excellent.
I think 381 miles will only be possible driving 30mph on a flat road with no wind.
Do they publish the basis for the range numbers? I'd be most curious to know how using air conditioning on a hot day impacts range, or driving on hills, etc. 300ish miles is pretty darn good either way.
Read up a bit further. My posts were in response to this; https://slashdot.org/comments....
Clearly we were discussing use in vehicles, and not 'local energy sources'. The usefulness for stationary power is completely different and none of my statements necessarily apply.
You just said a lot of nothing. If you have a fliow battery design solution for vehicles that is practical , which you seem to think is straightforward, please supply it to the industry, or let us know what it is. I never claimed problems were unsolvable, only that they exist and don't appear to have practical solutions on the way anytime soon. Facts you'd prefer to ignore. But problems don't get solved when you can't even admit they exist.
Flow battery configuration requires two fluids to be separated by a membrane, which isn't structural,and other internals so like you say, there may be some restrictions on the overalll shape of the unit. That's a thoughtful point.
Remember that in a gasl fuel tank, the amount of fuel weight goes toward zero as you use up the fuel, so you are not hauling the full weight alll the time as you would be with a flow battery. Lithium Ion batterries are also heavy, but they have pros that make them the best choice at present. The infrastructure to drain and replace flow battery electrlyte would be much more complicated and cost than simple chargers, and might not be practical for the garage.
Only a flow battery is not simply a fuel tank. Its has internals that keep two fluid separated by a membrane with maximized surface area. This is not a structural membrane that would serve well as a bafle. Changing the internal configuration affects performance. Also, its common knowledge that fuel weight is a major factor in airplane performance, which was part of my original point. Maybe I'm guilty of oversimplification of the problem, as you have oversimplified the solution. Over simplification of solutions is pretty common here on /.
I stand by my overall point, the pros of flow batteries are not sufficient to outweigh the cons wrt powering cars, and there is lttle reason to think that will change.