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Tesla Preps Bigger 100 KWh Battery For Model S and Model X (theverge.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Tesla will soon offer a 100 kWh battery for the Model S and Model X that will allow for increased range -- perhaps as much as 380 miles for the Model S. Currently, the 90 kWh batteries are the company's largest capacity. Kenteken.TV is reporting that the Dutch regulator that certifies Tesla's vehicles for use in the European Union, RDW, has recently published a number of new Tesla variants. RDW's public database now includes entries for a Tesla "100D" and "100X," which are titles that follow Tesla's current naming system based on battery capacity. The listing for the 100D claims the vehicle has a range of 381 miles or 613 kilometers. The motor output is reported as 90 kilowatts (121 horsepower), which is the maximum output the Tesla motors can sustain without overheating. Autoblog notes that EU range estimates tend to be more optimistic than those issued by the U.S. EPA. A more realistic range might be 310 to 320 miles.
So it can go 300mph for an hour?
Those mileage figures need to be taken with a huge pinch of salt. Based on my own experience with my 70D (my real world range estimate = 200 miles) I estimate a 100D would have a range of around 285 miles. Which is still excellent.
I think 381 miles will only be possible driving 30mph on a flat road with no wind.
... the vehicle has a range of 381 miles or 613 kilometers.
'Cause the kilometer range sounds way better... Is there a switch or something?
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
Well with that the range will about catch up with my M3, but the horsepower and refuel time remain lacking. Regardless, as somebody who actually likes driving, I would still never buy one.
Batteries are generally extremely heavy in their weight to energy ratio compared to gasoline. They also cost a fair bit of money and take a while to charge if you manage to drain that huge of a battery. Even your regular 240v home outlet could take a while. At some point aside from bragging rights it becomes impractical to have a battery that big. The Volt only has about a 40 mile battery and I've made it through the entire summer without having to resort to gas on my daily trips. I've even forgotten to plug the thing in at times and it still had enough. Granted I live in a small city so that helps but I can't see what having past 200 miles gains for you. It might be a bit easier for cross-country trips if you're hopping supercharger stations but I have a bad feeling that you're paying a huge amount in extra weight and costs for that minuscule usage situation. (Unless driving hundreds of miles a day is normal for you.)
I know they have to start somewhere, but electric cars still suck ass when it comes to range and convenience.
I can get in my 8000lb truck and drive 600+ miles before needing to refuel... and I can stop at nearly any fuel station to fill her up with 30+ gallons in 2-3 minutes(diesel pumps tend to be MUCH faster than gas pumps).
Then there is the problem of towing and hauling, with the technology available in the near future I can't see any way for an electric vehicle to be even remotely as capable as one that runs on dead dinosaurs.
I might be open to a heavy duty hybrid truck, or even a diesel electric setup like what we have on trains... but unless they drastically improve battery technology purely electric vehicles will only ever fill a niche market. And quite frankly, by the time they improve batteries to the point where they might be able to compete the oil companies will probably be manufacturing hydrocarbons from water and waste CO2 and selling it at the pump because batteries will likely never have the same power density as hydrocarbon based fuels.
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Most of the other models are 380hp or above. Even if the article writer forgot to include the other motor that still leaves quite a shortfall.
If God forks the Universe every time you roll a die, he'd better have a damned good memory.
How is that possible? I've never once seen the US mileage come close to being accurate except in the most ideal circumstances.
Does the EU test on a closed track, with no wind, with a constant downhill grade?
Mileage ratings should be per state (or equivalent) at best. Geographies vary far too much to make it useful otherwise.
If they can double that and make it recharge fully in about 5 minutes it'll be as good as a diesel.
As good as a diesel in trying to cheat to actually pass emissions? Or is that in cost per mile?
Why don't you have an electric car today pleb?
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Electric cars require far more oil to produce than they ever save by driving one.
End of subject.
If your only parameter to owning a car is to be able to drive 600 miles, and fill up in 5 minutes and drive 600 miles again, then you're correct.
+1 Passat TDI 2013. Got 715 miles on my last 18 gal tank, refilled at truck stop with the super fast diesel pumps for the semis, took maybe 40 seconds to fill up.
Range is the issue with all electric, yes all the you drive around town for the most part, 5-50 miles /day. That's great, yes I do that too, every day, 5 miles each way to work, would I buy an all electric then, no. Since on the weekends I drive to Chicago, about 200 miles away, I have no reliable way to recharge in chicago without leaving my car somewhere I'd rather not, and if I didn't recharge I couldn't get home. Oh well I could own another car for that. Sure I could, I could buy a 100K car so I could drive 5 miles every day to work "greenly" (debatable) and another car for 10K to drive to Chicago on the weekends. Or I could buy by 15K used 2013 Passat TDI, and do both, and I am going to go out on a limb and guess that I won't be spending 95K in diesel in my entire life. It is laughable to think that people justify a Tesla for "fuel economy", arguments like "green tech", "neat gadget", "autopilot death machine" - maybe, but certainly not to save money on gas. I mean is you only other option a Audi R8. Take a look at a honda.
Secondly as for the cheating, honestly I don't really care. I get great mileage and the EPA diesel requirements are a sham, they only apply to passenger cars, no to buses, big truck, ambulances, etc. The amount of additional pollution generated by the cars that the strict emissions standards apply to is dwarfed by the diesels that it doesn't.
To get 30% more range out of a roughly 11% larger capacity. Probably helps with preventing knocking as well.
As good as a diesel in trying to cheat to actually pass emissions? Or is that in cost per mile?
Why not both? Electricity produced by burning coal/natural gas/gas has the same environmental impact as directly burning gas in cars. And in the future the EV owner need to pay extra road construction/maintenance fee because they don't pay through pump.
Wrong. The efficiency of an electric motor is way higher (95%) than a gas motor (15%). Even runnig electric cars with electricity completely generated by coal produces less carbon emmision than efficient gas cars. Further battery electric cars can regenerate kinetic energy into electric energy, while gas cars can only loose it by heating the environement even more.
The Model S is quite heavy. Bear in mind the Model S has the interior space of a Mercedes C-Class or BMW 3-series.
Comparing the curbside weights of the high-performance versions of saloon (American: sedan), as the Tesla markets itself as a high-performance car.
Tesla Model S 85D: 2188kg
Mercedes AMG C63: 1785kg
BMW M3: 1646kg
Audi A4 3.0V6 TDI: 1540kg
The Tesla is over 400kg heavier than a comparable internal combustion car.
Considering larger cars, the Mercedes AMG E63 estate (American: wagon), a significantly larger car with significantly more space inside, weighs 1945kg. The Lexus LS, also a larger car weighs 1965kg. The Tesla still weighs over 200kg more.
The Tesla is heavy. Significantly heavier than its direct internal combustion equivalents.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled"
Obviously bigger batteries are going to give you more range and possible better acceleration (at the risk of melting the motor). But at some point, aren't you limited by the physical space available to store the battery? Or have they figured out how to pack more kilowatt-hours into the same physical space? I would be inclined to spend more upfront for better range, but I can't afford the Telsa I want anyway.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
Regenerative breaking make electric or hybrid a big win in city driving, but not so much in constant-speed freeway touring. But... I still want a vehicle with a constant-speed diesel charging batteries that drive a separate motor in each wheel.
I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
In other words, you wants a locomotive.
Seriously, though, you're kinda describing the Volt: battery car, with on-board ICE charger (i.e., "range extender"). BMW has one too in the i3. Now, if they could only make 'em with better interiors (the Chevy) or better exteriors (the BMW).
And Ford increased the gas tank size on Fusion from 14 to 16 US gallons....
Range in a day. I generally walk to the office, groceries and so on are delivered. When I drive, I drive about 800 miles in an 11 hour day. I'm unaware of any electric that can pull that off. Plug-in hybrids are a great fit though.
Yes, the I3 is loud, and the Volt is a GM product. I'd have an Audi hybrid though.
Exactly. Ideally something like the Audi Q7 e-tron would be in my garage except, as you point out, an expensive car is just a large wasting asset. Fun sometimes, but when you drive as seldom and as briefly as I typically drive it's hard to justify.
30 minutes of super-charging gives you an extra 180 miles, not an extra 50.
This is how I know that Tesla is going to be super-successful, because the fact that most arguments against EVs include over-the-top lies indicates that the fundamental problem is (a) ignorance and (b) an irrational fear of change. History has taught us that both (a) & (b) will auto-correct.
need another Musk/Tesla tech blog promise/hype cycle, stat! let's get all the Gawker sites circulating this and Facebook trending it!
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I am just waiting for Tesla to start using a well known song by Five Finger Deathpunch as their marketing-jingle
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