Your analogy about failed mobile-home thieves is ridiculous.
I was trying to match the ridiculousness of the assumptions brought on by the story. If a jewelry store was robbed of it's diamonds , and everyone laughed at the guys (not arrested the guys mind you) for not stealing the gold, which can be melted down and that, and then assumed that they were trying to steal gold, is just as ridiculous. Who the fuck cannot tell the difference between gold and diamonds? Who the fuck cannot tell the difference between fiber and copper?
Seeing as how they didn't arrest the guys and they haven't found the large amount of fiber cables ditched somewhere, I'd say that they're just assuming.
According to the Guardian, the hapless criminals were after valuable copper cable, but all they managed to find was fibre, which enables faster broadband speeds but is almost impossible to resell.
How do they know that they were copper thieves? How do they know that the thieves weren't actually trying to steal fiber cables? This is like someone stealing a car, and then everyone laughing at them and calling them failed mobile-home thieves. The whole article is one assumption (at least it appears that way because it never provides reasoning) and keeps pointing to how dumb the thieves were.
The answer has been given on slashdot before. The enemy of the USA has changed from North Korea, Russia and Cuba (scary!) to any religious organisation with 50 thousand dollars.
Ok, if I understand you, you mean to say that since North Korea, Russia and Cuba are places, then they're only capable of building bombs within their own boundaries, but if they're a religious group, then they can easily build bombs within the United States. I call "boogieman" on that claim, sir.
The enemy of the United States, and every other country, and every other group of people, and every other person in the entire universe, is fear itself. Secrecy creates a platform by which fear can thrive, like mold on bread. That fear can then be used by anyone that has risen above it, on those that value that fear. People like you seem to be one of those that values fear, and tries to reason it out.
"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it." --JFK
"The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." --Franklin D. Roosevelt
An internet for your own use, with no worries about ass-hats fucking with it, or trying to break it. Just think of all of the (non-hardware) obstacles that they don't have to worry about. Surely they have their own fair share of difficulties that we don't have to deal with here on Earth, but they're free to deal with those obstacles in an environment that we all would love.
We all understand your pain here, we're actually in this together (not slashdotters, but Americans). The thing is, whatever started the NSA, also started the terrorist groups. Another way that can be said is that whatever started the terrorist groups, also started the NSA.
It's not a person, group of people, or any one-such "effort" at all, rather the general degradation of our materialistic way of life in the 'West'. Mother Nature has a fix for it that exists in the very fiber of things. When things don't make sense, they fall away from the evolutionary process that is this existence.
Instances just like this, where someone in a position of, what would appear to be a very a important, role in society and says, "I can't do this" or "it can't be done" (here I think they're the same idea that he's shouting out whether he knows it or not), then we must take a step back and see where things went wrong in the past, revisit the reason that it happened, and make a change to proceed forward - in an effort to make things better.
Why does this have to be such an extreme set of operation? Why has America slipped into this great fear-based society, that must be constantly defended? If this guy's job is so hard, maybe we should start asking why the job is so hard, rather than how to do the job? Because it just may be that there is no answer for this question, it's the question that's the problem.
Yeah I was going to say basically the same thing. I imagine that they kept the number down to 100 (they could have used the same logic to say a trillion years) in order to keep it in some perspective so that the kids themselves didn't just say, "pffft..."
Personally, I think that they're building onto the ideology that 'knowing how to use a computer' makes you smart. In an effort to guide more youth into wasting their lives in cubicles, and all that comes with that - in order to support the lifestyles enjoyed by both Gates and Shmuckerberg. What these 2 shit-heads should be teaching is how to fuck over others in order to be one of the richest guys in the world.
I opted out of the whole smart-phone schtick a few months ago. I had an iPhone. I loved the feature that enabled me to disable certain apps from reporting certain things that I couldn't see why anyone in their right mind would want. If I was currently using an Android phone, this would make me toss it.
Also ambulance rides are covered now. They used to be $500 and upwards. I suspect that this also covers helicopter flights too, but I'm not sure. Anyone know?
omfg dude, the memories that you just spawned off in me! I had totally forgotten about arcade gaming with skates on. I think it was a custom to SLAM the bumper of the skate into the bottom of the game in order to use it to stop yourself. And when you die, faaade backwards, back to the rink. Jesus Christ, I can almost smell the place, and feel that cold air breeze that seems to come along with all rinks.
No sources, sadly (I suspect this is by design). But I think I covered that when I said "stuff for things". You covered that when you said "a bunch of small businesses that I've never heard of." We agree.
If that's the case, then you have a point - not that I agree that they're being racist, but I can see where you're coming from. However I didn't see that in the article posted here. Have you got a better link than the one provided?
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that your employer is not covering the new fees, but rather passing them down to the workers. Yes that is a shit deal, brother. Those like you are taking the biggest hit, because it's a large part of your income. I truly sympathies with you. I'd more than likely be in that same boat had I not quit my job.
The insurance that is being offered at my old job requires that the person pay out of pocket $3,000 before any insurance kicks in. So not only are the workers paying more from their paychecks, but they're paying all of their medical bills. So unless they almost die, it's simply not reasonable to have insurance at all. In this way, it's a tragedy, and that's why I choose to think only of the doctor that's charging me to much - because that's the real problem. I'm not saying that doctors are paid to much, I'm saying that they have to charge to much. The medical industry is just to fucking expensive. Everyone agrees.
You're right, and with good reason. There are still hurdles to overcome, but this really sets the stage for the possibility, which is a huge barrier to cross.
I'll give you a story:
My son was 3 years old, my nephew was 10. I taught my kids to swim really early because of horrible dreams that I was having at the time. And so my son could dive into a pool and swim down to 10 feet and touch the bottom of the pool with his hands - at age 3. My nephew had come over to swim a few times, but couldn't touch the bottom, not even with his feet. But once he saw a 3-yo do it, he was like, "What tha... He can touch the bottom??!!" In less than 2 minutes my nephew could swim down and touch with his hands.
Sometimes it just takes nerve (I dare not say bravery) to do something, and when others show that it can be done, that nerve is gained.
No CIO in any organization of any serious size will look at this ten year effort as anything other than justification for their decision to remain on MS software.
That's not fair to say. What this really means is that it took a company 10 years to do the switch over. However now that one has done it, they can help others do the same, in a more direct way, with less problems. I know that each company will have it's own needs and each switch-over will have it's own needs. But man, now that it's been done on this scale, surely they can offer advice to others. 10 years ago, starting was cumbersome, but now not so. I'd think that any CIO with any sort of wisdom (and a good IT staff ~cough cough~) would be willing to look into this more now that it's been done.
Maybe I worded all that wrong. Now that I re-read it, it does give me the wrong impression as well. I meant to point out that it was anyone's to take. No, I wouldn't have left it there, and I wouldn't have taken it to the lost and found either. I'm looking at it like I protected it while it was near to me. Had I planned to take it, I would have left the area, and certainly not given it to her.
Only later did someone mention to me, "Hey what if it were on some TV show where they do those silly experiments on unknowing people in public, with hidden cameras and all?" And we discussed it. We concluded that I would have been viewed as a good guy, especially if compared to others that may have walked off with it.
Don't forget that I'm mentioning this in light of many comments here that lean toward "If it's sent to me, it's mine!!!"
Right, but it seems that in this way, the humans are not at ease with each other, because of assumptions. I accept those assumptions, but would like to spark a different light at any chance. Surely the girl in my story was glad to have her stuff back, and realized that I could have kept it. Maybe next time she leaves her stuff in a public place like the Atlanta airport she'll be a little bit more understanding of the whole situation, and not look at everyone like they're out to get her stuff. Dunno, maybe I'm naive.
I totally agree with those laws. Personally, had the tables been turned, and I left my device in the airport, I'd hope that someone with my mentality would have taken it and tried to get it back to me - as I was planning to do - rather than give it to the lost and found. I did give the girl her device back.
the moral of the story is: do things that you wish everyone did.
I'm really surprised that so many here have commented that they'd keep any items that were delivered to them, simply because 'fuck big bidness'.
Wait, are we not supposed to just troll this kind of stuff? Shit I thought this was practice, recess, a break... you know, to keep it interesting - where karma meets dogma, and CRASH!
</troll>
Just think about it. I used to pay $400/month for insurance, now I pay $73/month. That means that some rich guy is covering the difference. So I like to look at it like the doctor that treats me, and charges me x10 what he should, is actually shooting himself in the foot. And it's all in the name of...hell if I know.
I just know that rich people get life easy. Seen this story yet?
You're right, but they had to get proof of some kind. They decided to use chimps for numbers on paper. The acts that they did to the chimps were terrible.
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Your analogy about failed mobile-home thieves is ridiculous.
I was trying to match the ridiculousness of the assumptions brought on by the story. If a jewelry store was robbed of it's diamonds , and everyone laughed at the guys (not arrested the guys mind you) for not stealing the gold, which can be melted down and that, and then assumed that they were trying to steal gold, is just as ridiculous. Who the fuck cannot tell the difference between gold and diamonds? Who the fuck cannot tell the difference between fiber and copper?
Seeing as how they didn't arrest the guys and they haven't found the large amount of fiber cables ditched somewhere, I'd say that they're just assuming.
According to the Guardian, the hapless criminals were after valuable copper cable, but all they managed to find was fibre, which enables faster broadband speeds but is almost impossible to resell.
How do they know that they were copper thieves? How do they know that the thieves weren't actually trying to steal fiber cables? This is like someone stealing a car, and then everyone laughing at them and calling them failed mobile-home thieves. The whole article is one assumption (at least it appears that way because it never provides reasoning) and keeps pointing to how dumb the thieves were.
Queue the NSA theorists...
The answer has been given on slashdot before. The enemy of the USA has changed from North Korea, Russia and Cuba (scary!) to any religious organisation with 50 thousand dollars.
Ok, if I understand you, you mean to say that since North Korea, Russia and Cuba are places, then they're only capable of building bombs within their own boundaries, but if they're a religious group, then they can easily build bombs within the United States. I call "boogieman" on that claim, sir.
The enemy of the United States, and every other country, and every other group of people, and every other person in the entire universe, is fear itself. Secrecy creates a platform by which fear can thrive, like mold on bread. That fear can then be used by anyone that has risen above it, on those that value that fear. People like you seem to be one of those that values fear, and tries to reason it out.
"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it." --JFK
"The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." --Franklin D. Roosevelt
An internet for your own use, with no worries about ass-hats fucking with it, or trying to break it. Just think of all of the (non-hardware) obstacles that they don't have to worry about. Surely they have their own fair share of difficulties that we don't have to deal with here on Earth, but they're free to deal with those obstacles in an environment that we all would love.
PentHouse Bunnies?
We all understand your pain here, we're actually in this together (not slashdotters, but Americans). The thing is, whatever started the NSA, also started the terrorist groups. Another way that can be said is that whatever started the terrorist groups, also started the NSA.
It's not a person, group of people, or any one-such "effort" at all, rather the general degradation of our materialistic way of life in the 'West'. Mother Nature has a fix for it that exists in the very fiber of things. When things don't make sense, they fall away from the evolutionary process that is this existence.
Instances just like this, where someone in a position of, what would appear to be a very a important, role in society and says, "I can't do this" or "it can't be done" (here I think they're the same idea that he's shouting out whether he knows it or not), then we must take a step back and see where things went wrong in the past, revisit the reason that it happened, and make a change to proceed forward - in an effort to make things better.
Why does this have to be such an extreme set of operation? Why has America slipped into this great fear-based society, that must be constantly defended? If this guy's job is so hard, maybe we should start asking why the job is so hard, rather than how to do the job? Because it just may be that there is no answer for this question, it's the question that's the problem.
That was the point of them doing this, to get at kids while their minds are still forming.
Yeah I was going to say basically the same thing. I imagine that they kept the number down to 100 (they could have used the same logic to say a trillion years) in order to keep it in some perspective so that the kids themselves didn't just say, "pffft..."
Personally, I think that they're building onto the ideology that 'knowing how to use a computer' makes you smart. In an effort to guide more youth into wasting their lives in cubicles, and all that comes with that - in order to support the lifestyles enjoyed by both Gates and Shmuckerberg. What these 2 shit-heads should be teaching is how to fuck over others in order to be one of the richest guys in the world.
I opted out of the whole smart-phone schtick a few months ago. I had an iPhone. I loved the feature that enabled me to disable certain apps from reporting certain things that I couldn't see why anyone in their right mind would want. If I was currently using an Android phone, this would make me toss it.
Also ambulance rides are covered now. They used to be $500 and upwards. I suspect that this also covers helicopter flights too, but I'm not sure. Anyone know?
Friday the 13th, no doubt!
omfg dude, the memories that you just spawned off in me! I had totally forgotten about arcade gaming with skates on. I think it was a custom to SLAM the bumper of the skate into the bottom of the game in order to use it to stop yourself. And when you die, faaade backwards, back to the rink. Jesus Christ, I can almost smell the place, and feel that cold air breeze that seems to come along with all rinks.
Thanks!
No sources, sadly (I suspect this is by design). But I think I covered that when I said "stuff for things". You covered that when you said "a bunch of small businesses that I've never heard of." We agree.
high-five brutha
If that's the case, then you have a point - not that I agree that they're being racist, but I can see where you're coming from. However I didn't see that in the article posted here. Have you got a better link than the one provided?
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that your employer is not covering the new fees, but rather passing them down to the workers. Yes that is a shit deal, brother. Those like you are taking the biggest hit, because it's a large part of your income. I truly sympathies with you. I'd more than likely be in that same boat had I not quit my job.
The insurance that is being offered at my old job requires that the person pay out of pocket $3,000 before any insurance kicks in. So not only are the workers paying more from their paychecks, but they're paying all of their medical bills. So unless they almost die, it's simply not reasonable to have insurance at all. In this way, it's a tragedy, and that's why I choose to think only of the doctor that's charging me to much - because that's the real problem. I'm not saying that doctors are paid to much, I'm saying that they have to charge to much. The medical industry is just to fucking expensive. Everyone agrees.
You're right, and with good reason. There are still hurdles to overcome, but this really sets the stage for the possibility, which is a huge barrier to cross.
I'll give you a story:
My son was 3 years old, my nephew was 10. I taught my kids to swim really early because of horrible dreams that I was having at the time. And so my son could dive into a pool and swim down to 10 feet and touch the bottom of the pool with his hands - at age 3. My nephew had come over to swim a few times, but couldn't touch the bottom, not even with his feet. But once he saw a 3-yo do it, he was like, "What tha... He can touch the bottom??!!" In less than 2 minutes my nephew could swim down and touch with his hands.
Sometimes it just takes nerve (I dare not say bravery) to do something, and when others show that it can be done, that nerve is gained.
No CIO in any organization of any serious size will look at this ten year effort as anything other than justification for their decision to remain on MS software.
That's not fair to say. What this really means is that it took a company 10 years to do the switch over. However now that one has done it, they can help others do the same, in a more direct way, with less problems. I know that each company will have it's own needs and each switch-over will have it's own needs. But man, now that it's been done on this scale, surely they can offer advice to others. 10 years ago, starting was cumbersome, but now not so. I'd think that any CIO with any sort of wisdom (and a good IT staff ~cough cough~) would be willing to look into this more now that it's been done.
Maybe I worded all that wrong. Now that I re-read it, it does give me the wrong impression as well. I meant to point out that it was anyone's to take. No, I wouldn't have left it there, and I wouldn't have taken it to the lost and found either. I'm looking at it like I protected it while it was near to me. Had I planned to take it, I would have left the area, and certainly not given it to her.
Only later did someone mention to me, "Hey what if it were on some TV show where they do those silly experiments on unknowing people in public, with hidden cameras and all?" And we discussed it. We concluded that I would have been viewed as a good guy, especially if compared to others that may have walked off with it.
Don't forget that I'm mentioning this in light of many comments here that lean toward "If it's sent to me, it's mine!!!"
Right, but it seems that in this way, the humans are not at ease with each other, because of assumptions. I accept those assumptions, but would like to spark a different light at any chance. Surely the girl in my story was glad to have her stuff back, and realized that I could have kept it. Maybe next time she leaves her stuff in a public place like the Atlanta airport she'll be a little bit more understanding of the whole situation, and not look at everyone like they're out to get her stuff. Dunno, maybe I'm naive.
I totally agree with those laws. Personally, had the tables been turned, and I left my device in the airport, I'd hope that someone with my mentality would have taken it and tried to get it back to me - as I was planning to do - rather than give it to the lost and found. I did give the girl her device back.
the moral of the story is: do things that you wish everyone did.
I'm really surprised that so many here have commented that they'd keep any items that were delivered to them, simply because 'fuck big bidness'.
Wait, are we not supposed to just troll this kind of stuff? Shit I thought this was practice, recess, a break... you know, to keep it interesting - where karma meets dogma, and CRASH!
</troll>
Just think about it. I used to pay $400/month for insurance, now I pay $73/month. That means that some rich guy is covering the difference. So I like to look at it like the doctor that treats me, and charges me x10 what he should, is actually shooting himself in the foot. And it's all in the name of ...hell if I know.
I just know that rich people get life easy. Seen this story yet?
You're right, but they had to get proof of some kind. They decided to use chimps for numbers on paper. The acts that they did to the chimps were terrible.