What the hell kind of logic is that? You're not the one who decides that, anyway. If the government doesn't like something you do (regardless of what you think of your activities), you may find yourself in an uncomfortable situation.
When was America free? In the past, plenty of groups that didn't include white men didn't have very many rights. Even in the past, the government violated the constitution and discarded people's rights to supposedly keep them safe. I agree that there are some very serious problems at the moment, but I'm not sure America was ever truly the bastion of freedom that some people seem to think it was.
Not get molested at airports. Protest without being required to have a permit or sent off to a free speech zone. It's not something I'd personally like to do, but there are many drugs that are illegal. The fourth amendment is being consistently ignored. There are constitution-free zones around the border. Those are just some things that are a problem at the moment. You obviously didn't try very hard if you couldn't think of one problem.
I'd also like to not have my communications spied on by the government.
Nothin'. If I criticize a business, I could cause others to not want to shop there, which would "deprive" the business of customers who haven't even shopped there yet! Losing things you never had is damage.
Out of about 100 students that participated 6 where caught- 4 who hadn't even dumped the soap yet and they had to pay for the entiee security theator that ensued for a midemeanor act of mischief.
I only stabbed him once, and it was just in the hand. Those other guys stabbed him way more, and in the chest!
Irrelevant. The punishment should fit the crime, and since stabbing someone is much more severe than any DDoS attack, your analogy is irrelevant.
If you participate in an illegal conspiracy, you are a conspirator and you take the full weight that everyone else in the conspiracy would take absent a plea bargain.
I can see you're focused on justice and fairness. What a great idea you have.
That's not justice at all, like the other one said. If police are too incompetent, or it is unfeasible to catch most people who commit a certain crime, they can't (or rather, shouldn't) punish those they do catch much more severely simply because they can't catch other people who commit said crime. Justice > security.
I'm afraid most people are complete morons. And when I say "most people," I mean most people throughout the entire world, not just in Finland. It's usually an elite few who make the most important innovations and figure out how to solve difficult problems, while everyone else tends to follow instructions and complete simple tasks (important, but not monumental or overall impressive).
Garbage. Those questions hand you information on a silver platter. All you have to do is repeat information, follows certain patterns, or answer open-ended questions that have no real objective answers (even though the tests love to pretend they do). Creative thinking? Intelligence? Understanding? Doesn't test for any of those in any meaningful way. It's garbage.
rote memorization is an important part of learning anyway
No one is arguing that all forms of memorize are bad, so this is just nonsense.
I think for any result that shows the US as not being near the type will be cited as "flawed".
This trash would be flawed no matter what place the US was in. These tests measure nothing truly important (such as true understanding of the concepts involved) and are just another indicator of how flawed most people's idea of education is.
Which problem am I not seeing? I see lots of problems with our 'education' system. I'm not even impressed by the schools in these "decent neighborhoods."
Finland, for example has an excellent education system.
I'm not so sure about that. I don't trust poorly-designed standardized tests to be able to measure things such as critical thinking skills and innovative thinking.
No, more like there are two types of school in America: the good schools out in the suburbs where the kids are doing just fine compared with the rest of the world
They're not doing just fine, just like the other kids probably aren't doing just fine. These schools don't actually focus on understanding.
In both Asia and America, they don't teach anything; they ask that students memorize formulas, patterns, and methods, and then ask that they regurgitate it all back on a test. Understanding not required. Intelligence not required.
This is the problem with most suggestions that come from RMS. He espouses unrestricted freedom for all, but unfortunately when it comes to things involving financial transactions there are highly organised criminals who will exploit this freedom to make the job of law or tax enforcement almost impossible.
It's certainly not a new idea to suggest that the government should take away people's freedoms in exchange for safety, but almost every single time, I still find myself disgusted when I see such things brought up.
Sometimes it makes sense for the general population to have a freedom restricted in order to make it more difficult for a minority to use that same freedom to hurt people.
If we're talking nuclear bomb-scale destruction, then yes. That's what it would take for me to consider restricting normal people's freedoms to stop certain people who abuse said freedoms.
What I find sad is how many people fight the middle grounds
I'd rather that people didn't succumb to the middle ground when it comes to many issues. Example: The TSA is a disgusting organization that violates people's freedoms, and it needs to be abolished outright; the end. For me, there is no middle ground on many issues that relate to important freedoms, and that's because freedom is so important.
plenty of people excited about being educated can receive that education in the public school system - even in the same schools that others fail from.
And they could just as easily get one elsewhere. The difference is, there wouldn't be a focus on rote memorization over understanding, awful tests, and pointless busywork, which would give them more time to actually try to understand meaningful concepts. Basically, if they really are excited about education, they'll get as far away from our public schools as possible.
I have no tolerance for anarchists who see a problem and can only solve it by blowing it up.
I don't see any anarchists here. I just acknowledge that our (and the public school systems of most other countries) public school system is absolutely abysmal at the moment. Hopefully this will change in the future, but that's the reality of the situation at present.
because kids who are excited about school tend to stay in it longer and get more out of it.
I don't think they should be excited about school, but about education. And if they're excited about education, they probably shouldn't stay in our abysmal public schools. Hopefully they have the opportunity to leave and begin their education.
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What the hell kind of logic is that? You're not the one who decides that, anyway. If the government doesn't like something you do (regardless of what you think of your activities), you may find yourself in an uncomfortable situation.
When was America free? In the past, plenty of groups that didn't include white men didn't have very many rights. Even in the past, the government violated the constitution and discarded people's rights to supposedly keep them safe. I agree that there are some very serious problems at the moment, but I'm not sure America was ever truly the bastion of freedom that some people seem to think it was.
Not get molested at airports. Protest without being required to have a permit or sent off to a free speech zone. It's not something I'd personally like to do, but there are many drugs that are illegal. The fourth amendment is being consistently ignored. There are constitution-free zones around the border. Those are just some things that are a problem at the moment. You obviously didn't try very hard if you couldn't think of one problem.
I'd also like to not have my communications spied on by the government.
Nothin'. If I criticize a business, I could cause others to not want to shop there, which would "deprive" the business of customers who haven't even shopped there yet! Losing things you never had is damage.
Out of about 100 students that participated 6 where caught- 4 who hadn't even dumped the soap yet and they had to pay for the entiee security theator that ensued for a midemeanor act of mischief.
And? It happened before, so it's good?
I can't think of a better way to encourage DDoS participation to be honest.
Justice > deterrence.
I only stabbed him once, and it was just in the hand. Those other guys stabbed him way more, and in the chest!
Irrelevant. The punishment should fit the crime, and since stabbing someone is much more severe than any DDoS attack, your analogy is irrelevant.
If you participate in an illegal conspiracy, you are a conspirator and you take the full weight that everyone else in the conspiracy would take absent a plea bargain.
I can see you're focused on justice and fairness. What a great idea you have.
That's not justice at all, like the other one said. If police are too incompetent, or it is unfeasible to catch most people who commit a certain crime, they can't (or rather, shouldn't) punish those they do catch much more severely simply because they can't catch other people who commit said crime. Justice > security.
I'm afraid most people are complete morons. And when I say "most people," I mean most people throughout the entire world, not just in Finland. It's usually an elite few who make the most important innovations and figure out how to solve difficult problems, while everyone else tends to follow instructions and complete simple tasks (important, but not monumental or overall impressive).
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No one is arguing that all forms of memorize are bad, so this is just nonsense.
Still, much of the information people are often forced to memorize truly is useless.
Garbage. Those questions hand you information on a silver platter. All you have to do is repeat information, follows certain patterns, or answer open-ended questions that have no real objective answers (even though the tests love to pretend they do). Creative thinking? Intelligence? Understanding? Doesn't test for any of those in any meaningful way. It's garbage.
rote memorization is an important part of learning anyway
No one is arguing that all forms of memorize are bad, so this is just nonsense.
I think for any result that shows the US as not being near the type will be cited as "flawed".
This trash would be flawed no matter what place the US was in. These tests measure nothing truly important (such as true understanding of the concepts involved) and are just another indicator of how flawed most people's idea of education is.
Which problem am I not seeing? I see lots of problems with our 'education' system. I'm not even impressed by the schools in these "decent neighborhoods."
Finland, for example has an excellent education system.
I'm not so sure about that. I don't trust poorly-designed standardized tests to be able to measure things such as critical thinking skills and innovative thinking.
Only if you believe the tests test for anything important, which I don't.
No, more like there are two types of school in America: the good schools out in the suburbs where the kids are doing just fine compared with the rest of the world
They're not doing just fine, just like the other kids probably aren't doing just fine. These schools don't actually focus on understanding.
In both Asia and America, they don't teach anything; they ask that students memorize formulas, patterns, and methods, and then ask that they regurgitate it all back on a test. Understanding not required. Intelligence not required.
What?
This is the problem with most suggestions that come from RMS. He espouses unrestricted freedom for all, but unfortunately when it comes to things involving financial transactions there are highly organised criminals who will exploit this freedom to make the job of law or tax enforcement almost impossible.
It's certainly not a new idea to suggest that the government should take away people's freedoms in exchange for safety, but almost every single time, I still find myself disgusted when I see such things brought up.
Sometimes it makes sense for the general population to have a freedom restricted in order to make it more difficult for a minority to use that same freedom to hurt people.
If we're talking nuclear bomb-scale destruction, then yes. That's what it would take for me to consider restricting normal people's freedoms to stop certain people who abuse said freedoms.
What I find sad is how many people fight the middle grounds
I'd rather that people didn't succumb to the middle ground when it comes to many issues. Example: The TSA is a disgusting organization that violates people's freedoms, and it needs to be abolished outright; the end. For me, there is no middle ground on many issues that relate to important freedoms, and that's because freedom is so important.
plenty of people excited about being educated can receive that education in the public school system - even in the same schools that others fail from.
And they could just as easily get one elsewhere. The difference is, there wouldn't be a focus on rote memorization over understanding, awful tests, and pointless busywork, which would give them more time to actually try to understand meaningful concepts. Basically, if they really are excited about education, they'll get as far away from our public schools as possible.
I have no tolerance for anarchists who see a problem and can only solve it by blowing it up.
I don't see any anarchists here. I just acknowledge that our (and the public school systems of most other countries) public school system is absolutely abysmal at the moment. Hopefully this will change in the future, but that's the reality of the situation at present.
because kids who are excited about school tend to stay in it longer and get more out of it.
I don't think they should be excited about school, but about education. And if they're excited about education, they probably shouldn't stay in our abysmal public schools. Hopefully they have the opportunity to leave and begin their education.
Agreed. But you'd have to be unintelligent to not have figured out that something like this was happening a long time ago.
You're missing the most obvious interpretation of the title
I honestly don't think that's the most obvious interpretation of the title, or at least not to me.