oops the filter took out my less than's it should have read:
if N < M then company X can hire a programmer or use exsisting staff to pay someone to add those features.
a company wants program X to preform a task. they preform a cost analysis and it would cost M dollars to purchase this program from commercial company Y. There is a Free, F, (in the gnu sense) program that would do alot of what they want, but not all. It would cost N dollars to add that functionality. if N M then company X can hire a programmer or use exsisting staff to pay someone to add those features.
if company X wishes to distribute those changes they have to provide the source code. if they just want to use it internally, they dont have to distribute their changes.
right now there is a HUGE codebase of Free software to build on. if it's cheaper to build on Free software than it is to purchase commerical software, then free software can be developed and programmers can still make money.
the difference is that with sudo you can specify _which_ commands the normal user can run as root as opposed to every action they do being run as root. so you could, for example, only let them run apt-get to install software. this would prevent them from running
$rm -rf/
which they could do if they were running as root.
we have someone who does web development for us. occasionally they need to restart the webserver, but that's all. so i can give them access to restart apache and nothing else. i would say this is very different that letting them run everything as root. would you, prey tell, disagree with this?
kudzu under redhat has taken care of alot of this. i'm sure other distros have similar tools. last time i stuck a nic in a box i rebooted and it found/configured it just fine.
alot of these issues could be taken care of with sudo. the folks at lindows would have to create a pretty pimped out/etc/sudoers file and specify what commands the user can run as root (apt-get, mount, etc). then the user would never have to enter a root password.
I would like to voice my opinion about a company that I have had experience with, PetSwarehouse. Based on true experience, I feel that they suck. According to their Better Business Bureau rating of unsatisfactory (the bureau's lowest), I see that I am not alone in this opinion--a conclusion arrived to by factual data. Furthermore, I understand that free speech is right of all Americans, protected by the constitution.
"Libel is injury to reputation. There is only one and unconditional defense to a civil action for libel: that the facts stated are PROVABLY TRUE." --AP Stylebook and Libel Manual.
Reputations are earned from true experiences, not fabricated online, Mr. Novak. Everyone has the right to share and express their true experiences and the feelings and opinions drawn from these factual events.
contribute to the defense fund: http://www.petsforum.com/psw/Fund.htm
while i like the concept behind the projects you linked to i have a couple questions:
if this distributed effort results in a good anticancer agent, does the company then patent it and sell it back to the public? the faq doesnt really address this:http://members.ud.com/projects/cancer/faq_che m.htm
does a linux client exsist? the download page doesnt seem to suggest there is a linux client: http://members.ud.com/download/gold/
i would be happy to turn our computers loose on a problem which will result in something everyone can benifit from, but i'm not willing to install vmware to run it.
it wasn't obvious to me. perhaps it's because the programming i do is mathmatical in nature, and i've never really had the need to peer into object oriented programming languages (C++). so when i read the example, i thought it was C++.
he problem is that everytime I mention CPAN to PHP people, I get a canned "but PHP has PEAR" response, without them realizing that CPAN is both a repository _AND_ a method of adding modules to Perl AFTER a build and install of the core language. That ease and capability is sorely lacking from PHP.
not to mention the sheer amount of stuff available at cpan. it's down right amazing how much stuff is there. php has a fairly nice _looking_ front end to pear. i've seen screen shots of it, but i've never actually used it myself. after i picked up perl, i pretty much dumped php with the exception of stuff i have to work with that is written in php.
Sending food ruins local economy as it works as would dumping of say memories into this country.
colombia used to produce alot of it's own wheat. back in the 60s or 70's the us started dumping wheat on their market left over from subsiding farmers in the us. this infusion of wheat dropped the price of wheat in colombia to the point where farmers couldnt make any money on it. the farmers had to produce something to feed their families.. you can guess what that something was. now we are opressing them with a war on drugs.
Oh so it was the peace loving lefties ripping up seattle when the world bank was there?
there were 10's of thousands of activists in seattle-enough to completely destroy a good chunk of the city. given the number of people, there was very little distruction in seattle. the media did focus on the few broken windows, but that was an outlier in the statistical distribution of what happened. to compare, there has been alot more damage by concert goers, basketball fans, soccer fans, etc. more in terms of total distruction at any given event, or on a per person basis.
we have cheapbytes among others. here you can get pink tie linux-which is redhat 7.3-for $5 + shipping. they have all of the major linux distros, and the nice thing is that when the cd's get there you can install it on as many computers as you want.
for what it's worth, i believe they have my footprints on file. still though, those prints taken at birth aren't readily available to say american airlines. also, i dont have to provide my fingerprints for verification when i wish to fly. so if that were the case, then i would complain.
open your history books, and look at what has transpired. this is no more violent than many acts of humanity. take for example the use of nuclear weapons on civilians in japan. surely any old cops around now can remember that.. perhaps not first hand, but they can remember that.
ask someone from japan if crimes have gotten more violent. you may call the attacks on the wtc a crime, when the people who committed it consider it to be part of a war. just as we considered bombing hiroshima and nagasaki part of the war, many japanese would consider it to be a crime (considering the civilian loss of life).
if you look at the facts, the united states (of which i am a citizen) is probably the biggest international terrorist (chomsky, 911 pg 43). we have killed, directly and indirectly, many many more people than those who died in the wtc. for example look at east timor-a slaughter supported by the united states.
http://www.zmag.org/CrisesCurEvts/Timor/etretros pe ctive.htm
it's just that when you are a superpower, they have a different word for it. kinda like insane rich people are called eccentric.
As to you putting up new redhat ISO's, I wouldn't assume that your university can handle it just fine. If they are paying ANY sort of metered bandwidth costs, those 100 downloads of 3 cd iso's can make an impact. It doesn't matter WHAT you are hosting and who's accessing it.
What the schools SHOULD do is cap upload speeds. That won't affect file sharing on the campus and it won't affect your ability to get work done (more than likely all incoming). It might actually help LOWER some of the costs because they can make reasonable judgements and estimations of bandwidth usage.
i guess it depends on what we (the royal we meaning the university) is paying for. i always assumed we payed for an Xmb connection-where X is the maximum rate of transfer. if that is what we are paying for, it should be ok if we saturate it (worst case sinero).
if (royal) we are paying for total bytes transferred, then yep, the costs are increased. i dont know if i would consider the costs to be extreme.
do most universities pay for bandwidth or total amount transferred? i really dont know.
for what it's worth i consider the available bandwidth to be one of the perks of my job, and i dont use it to illegally serve copyrighted material.
i suppose i could put a bandwidth cap on the upload rates, i just dont know how that would help the total bytes transferred. if i serve a ten 600 meg isos in 20 minutes or 6 hours, i've still transferred about 6gigs of stuff. it's been my expirence that our server will cave before the available bandwidth is used.
If it's the only school you could get into then maybe you should think about going to another school.
wouldnt that be kinda hard since it's the only school he _could_ get into?
really though the capital investment associated with the networking equipment is already there. also the operating costs are also paid for normal networking needs. the added costs associated with more bandwidth useage, are incremental at best. to say there are _no_ costs is incorrect, but to say they are excessive is _also_ incorrect.
when redhat releases a new version, i put up a mirror of the iso. our university can handle it just fine. i doubt his warez server could strain our resources much more than this. especially since he probably wasnt distributing to the public, but rather couriers.
That's a pretty stupid plan. If you invest in a stock, you're not helping the company any. You're merely taking profits away from the person you bought the stock from and giving them to yourself.
if those profits are made using a method that i do not agree with, on a moral basis, then i do not think i would want the stock. if you think this is stupid then so be it.
That's stupid. The best way to get a company to change its ways is to buy stock and then vote for a new board of directors.
i could do that, or i could invest in a company with business practices i agree with from the start. the point is that i could invest based solely on the ability of a company to provide returns. if that were the case, then the media giants that are members of the riaa would be good to invest in. on the other hand, i have other constraints which would prevent me from making those investments. while you, in your eloquent demeanor, consider this to be a stupid reason, i do not.
I never said I think slashdot sucks, and my post was not a troll.
i suppose i was confused by your homepage (slashdotsucks.org) which i found to be misleading if you do not think slashdot sucks. since you appeared to own this domain, i simply inferred that you indeed thought slashdot sucks. perhaps the domains: slashdotdoesnsuck.org or iamundecidedaboutweatherslashdotsucks.org were taken when you decided to grace the internet with your presence. also, i still think you are a troll.
And then explain why if it's such a great deal, you don't invest in these companies or go into the business yourself.
perhaps he doesnt invest in these companies because he believes the points he made in the post above yours to be true. this would indicate that he places what he thinks is morally correct above the ability to make money.
there are many companies i would not invest in. for example, i wouldnt invest in microsoft. there is no doubt that many have made money from investing in microsoft, but i would consider those ill gotten gains.
really though, if you think slashdot sucks, why do you troll here so much?
you explain to them that there is a security update, and they can either have their information available to the public or temporarly not have it available to them, hmmm?
i dont use ssl, so i dont know about the ssl patch. there was a patch released for openssl packages on aug 6th. i doubt this fixes the current problem. if you are running an ecommerce site,or anything else that you want to keep secure, you should be ready to compile things from source or be willing to shut down the service until a fix is available.
if you think your system is vulnerable, then you have to choose between shutting down the service or run the risk of having your data compromised. i normally shut the service down when i get a notification of a vulnerability. i leave the service off until my mirror of updates refreshes. that is nightly.
this is not an elitest view, nor do i think i am being holier than thou. i think this is the responsable thing to do.
perhaps you could bring your self down to my level. i dont hangout reading bugtraq either. however, i have subscribed to redhats email lists so that i can get security advisories. you know, the emails that say "hey there is a big fucking hole in your security. apply these packages to fix it".
really though do you think this is self-righteous? i would say it is being responsable. i hate all of those self-righteous people in cars who use seatbealts. they just think they are all that and a bag of chips. grow up and be responsable.
-you get an email about a vunerability -drop to a console and type the following:
Slashdot Mirror
oops the filter took out my less than's it should have read:
if N < M then company X can hire a programmer or use exsisting staff to pay someone to add those features.
a company wants program X to preform a task. they preform a cost analysis and it would cost M dollars to purchase this program from commercial company Y. There is a Free, F, (in the gnu sense) program that would do alot of what they want, but not all. It would cost N dollars to add that functionality. if N M then company X can hire a programmer or use exsisting staff to pay someone to add those features.
if company X wishes to distribute those changes they have to provide the source code. if they just want to use it internally, they dont have to distribute their changes.
right now there is a HUGE codebase of Free software to build on. if it's cheaper to build on Free software than it is to purchase commerical software, then free software can be developed and programmers can still make money.
the difference is that with sudo you can specify _which_ commands the normal user can run as root as opposed to every action they do being run as root. so you could, for example, only let them run apt-get to install software. this would prevent them from running
/
$rm -rf
which they could do if they were running as root.
we have someone who does web development for us. occasionally they need to restart the webserver, but that's all. so i can give them access to restart apache and nothing else. i would say this is very different that letting them run everything as root. would you, prey tell, disagree with this?
kudzu under redhat has taken care of alot of this. i'm sure other distros have similar tools. last time i stuck a nic in a box i rebooted and it found /configured it just fine.
alot of these issues could be taken care of with sudo. the folks at lindows would have to create a pretty pimped out /etc/sudoers file and specify what commands the user can run as root (apt-get, mount, etc). then the user would never have to enter a root password.
create a mirror on slashdot:
I would like to voice my opinion about a company that I have had
experience with, PetSwarehouse. Based on true experience, I feel that
they suck. According to their Better Business Bureau rating of
unsatisfactory (the bureau's lowest), I see that I am not alone in
this opinion--a conclusion arrived to by factual data.
Furthermore, I understand that free speech is right of all Americans,
protected by the constitution.
"Libel is injury to reputation.
There is only one and unconditional defense to a civil action for
libel: that the facts stated are PROVABLY TRUE." --AP Stylebook and
Libel Manual.
Reputations are earned from true experiences, not fabricated online,
Mr. Novak. Everyone has the right to share and express their true
experiences and the feelings and opinions drawn from these factual
events.
contribute to the defense fund: http://www.petsforum.com/psw/Fund.htm
http://members.ud.com/download/gold/
i would be happy to turn our computers loose on a problem which will result in something everyone can benifit from, but i'm not willing to install vmware to run it.
it wasn't obvious to me. perhaps it's because the programming i do is mathmatical in nature, and i've never really had the need to peer into object oriented programming languages (C++). so when i read the example, i thought it was C++.
he problem is that everytime I mention CPAN to PHP people, I get a canned "but PHP has PEAR" response, without them realizing that CPAN is both a repository _AND_ a method of adding modules to Perl AFTER a build and install of the core language. That ease and capability is sorely lacking from PHP.
not to mention the sheer amount of stuff available at cpan. it's down right amazing how much stuff is there. php has a fairly nice _looking_ front end to pear. i've seen screen shots of it, but i've never actually used it myself. after i picked up perl, i pretty much dumped php with the exception of stuff i have to work with that is written in php.
here is my mirror of the source:
http://sage.che.pitt.edu/~harrold/tmp/ch
Sending food ruins local economy as it works as would dumping of say memories into this country.
colombia used to produce alot of it's own wheat. back in the 60s or 70's the us started dumping wheat on their market left over from subsiding
farmers in the us. this infusion of wheat dropped the price of wheat in colombia to the point where farmers couldnt make any money on it. the farmers had to produce something to feed their families.. you can guess what that something was. now we are opressing them with a war on drugs.
Oh so it was the peace loving lefties ripping up seattle when the world bank was there?
there were 10's of thousands of activists in seattle-enough to completely destroy a good chunk of the city. given the number of people, there was very little distruction in seattle. the media did focus on the few broken windows, but that was an outlier in the statistical distribution of what happened. to compare, there has been alot more damage by concert goers, basketball fans, soccer fans, etc. more in terms of total distruction at any given event, or on a per person basis.
we have cheapbytes among others. here you can get pink tie linux-which is redhat 7.3-for $5 + shipping. they have all of the major linux distros, and the nice thing is that when the cd's get there you can install it on as many computers as you want.
i believe you missed the implied sarcsim. perhaps it should have read:
<sarcasim>
which, based on the way government works, I'm sure is easy to get.
</sarcasim>
to my birth records.. duh?
for what it's worth, i believe they have my footprints on file. still though, those prints taken at birth aren't readily available to say american airlines. also, i dont have to provide my fingerprints for verification when i wish to fly. so if that were the case, then i would complain.
open your history books, and look at what has transpired. this is no more violent than many acts of humanity. take for example the use of nuclear weapons on civilians in japan. surely any old cops around now can remember that.. perhaps not first hand, but they can remember that.
ask someone from japan if crimes have gotten more violent. you may call the attacks on the wtc a crime, when the people who committed it consider it to be part of a war. just as we considered bombing hiroshima and nagasaki part of the war, many japanese would consider it to be a crime (considering the civilian loss of life).
really though it's all about perspective.
if you look at the facts, the united states (of which i am a citizen) is probably the biggest international terrorist (chomsky, 911 pg 43). we have killed, directly and indirectly, many many more people than those who died in the wtc. for example look at east timor-a slaughter supported by the united states.
s pe ctive.htm
http://www.zmag.org/CrisesCurEvts/Timor/etretro
it's just that when you are a superpower, they have a different word for it. kinda like insane rich people are called eccentric.
i would have the same reaction if they wanted to fingerprint everyone who flys on planes. ben said it best:
"They that can give up essential
liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither
liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
As to you putting up new redhat ISO's, I wouldn't assume that your university can handle it just fine. If they are paying ANY sort of metered bandwidth costs, those 100 downloads of 3 cd iso's can make an impact. It doesn't matter WHAT you are hosting and who's accessing it.
What the schools SHOULD do is cap upload speeds. That won't affect file sharing on the campus and it won't affect your ability to get work done (more than likely all incoming). It might actually help LOWER some of the costs because they can make reasonable judgements and estimations of bandwidth usage.
i guess it depends on what we (the royal we meaning the university) is paying for. i always assumed we payed for an Xmb connection-where X is the maximum rate of transfer. if that is what we are paying for, it should be ok if we saturate it (worst case sinero).
if (royal) we are paying for total bytes transferred, then yep, the costs are increased. i dont know if i would consider the costs to be extreme.
do most universities pay for bandwidth or total amount transferred? i really dont know.
for what it's worth i consider the available bandwidth to be one of the perks of my job, and i dont use it to illegally serve copyrighted material.
i suppose i could put a bandwidth cap on the upload rates, i just dont know how that would help the total bytes transferred. if i serve a ten 600 meg isos in 20 minutes or 6 hours, i've still transferred about 6gigs of stuff. it's been my expirence that our server will cave before the available bandwidth is used.
If it's the only school you could get into then maybe you should think about going to another school.
wouldnt that be kinda hard since it's the only school he _could_ get into?
really though the capital investment associated with the networking equipment is already there. also the operating costs are also paid for normal networking needs. the added costs associated with more bandwidth useage, are incremental at best. to say there are _no_ costs is incorrect, but to say they are excessive is _also_ incorrect.
when redhat releases a new version, i put up a mirror of the iso. our university can handle it just fine. i doubt his warez server could strain our resources much more than this. especially since he probably wasnt distributing to the public, but rather couriers.
That's a pretty stupid plan. If you invest in a stock, you're not helping the company any. You're merely taking profits away from the person you bought the stock from and giving them to yourself.
if those profits are made using a method that i do not agree with, on a moral basis, then i do not think i would want the stock. if you think this is stupid then so be it.
That's stupid. The best way to get a company to change its ways is to buy stock and then vote for a new board of directors.
i could do that, or i could invest in a company with business practices i agree with from the start. the point is that i could invest based solely on the ability of a company to provide returns. if that were the case, then the media giants that are members of the riaa would be good to invest in. on the other hand, i have other constraints which would prevent me from making those investments. while you, in your eloquent demeanor, consider this to be a stupid reason, i do not.
I never said I think slashdot sucks, and my post was not a troll.
i suppose i was confused by your homepage (slashdotsucks.org) which i found to be misleading if you do not think slashdot sucks. since you appeared to own this domain, i simply inferred that you indeed thought slashdot sucks. perhaps the domains: slashdotdoesnsuck.org or iamundecidedaboutweatherslashdotsucks.org were taken when you decided to grace the internet with your presence. also, i still think you are a troll.
And then explain why if it's such a great deal, you don't invest in these companies or go into the business yourself.
perhaps he doesnt invest in these companies because he believes the points he made in the post above yours to be true. this would indicate that he places what he thinks is morally correct above the ability to make money.
there are many companies i would not invest in. for example, i wouldnt invest in microsoft. there is no doubt that many have made money from investing in microsoft, but i would consider those ill gotten gains.
really though, if you think slashdot sucks, why do you troll here so much?
you explain to them that there is a security update, and they can either have their information available to the public or temporarly not have it available to them, hmmm?
you have a responsibility to your customers.
Idiot
grow up.
i dont use ssl, so i dont know about the ssl patch. there was a patch released for openssl packages on aug 6th. i doubt this fixes the current problem. if you are running an ecommerce site,or anything else that you want to keep secure, you should be ready to compile things from source or be willing to shut down the service until a fix is available.
if you think your system is vulnerable, then you have to choose between shutting down the service or run the risk of having your data compromised. i normally shut the service down when i get a notification of a vulnerability. i leave the service off until my mirror of updates refreshes. that is nightly.
this is not an elitest view, nor do i think i am being holier than thou. i think this is the responsable thing to do.
perhaps you could bring your self down to my level. i dont hangout reading bugtraq either. however, i have subscribed to redhats email lists so that i can get security advisories. you know, the emails that say "hey there is a big fucking hole in your security. apply these packages to fix it".
there are several maling lists to choose from. the redhat watch list will help you out with vulnerabilities.
really though do you think this is self-righteous? i would say it is being responsable. i hate all of those self-righteous people in cars who use seatbealts. they just think they are all that and a bag of chips. grow up and be responsable.
-you get an email about a vunerability
-drop to a console and type the following:
$su -
$service httpd stop
-then upgrade when you have the time.
really now, how hard is that?