Whoops, the response gets dropped by slashdot's router... doesn't have a routing table entry for 192.168.0.0/24. Either that, or it gets routed to slashdot's internal network, if it uses that particular subnet. You never see your precious connection again.
Slashdot.org runs Debian. Debian uses rp_filter in the network setup. Even if slashdot.org had another interface on a 192.168.0.0/24 network, it would just drop the packet.
I hope that the "beta" status applies to their licence too.
Seriously, this will happen more and more often as more and more old-school-commerce businesses are getting a taste of linux. For now, I'm just happy that to think that Corel dev people have had a good working relationship with debian and I hope that they will try to correct the misunderstanding ASAP.
I hope it's just a case of a runaway legal department. I had a good smile too at the 3com site, where you had to "submit" to the terms of the gpl before being allowed to access their drivers. It seems that it's not just the marketing departments that have a hard time getting used to the linux way.
Hey, there's probably a lot of truth to that comment about those 80s homecomputers.
I used to have a Commodore 64 and I remember spelling the Reference Guide, which listed everything up to the functional block design and registers of the IC's inside. I found it fascinating, even though I was only 12 at the time.
Mind you, I also had friends who'd only copy warez and play games all the time and couldn't care less about even writing a BASIC program.
Sometimes I wonder if I should consider myself gifted by time to have been able to play with computers that were so transparent from the conceptual level to the implementation.
As far as the "unwilling users" are concerned: most really don't want to lear, _especially_ if there's a techie around who can be bothered to do the stuff for them.
Most unwilling users are people who have exactly that sort of mindset that they like to manipulate other people into doing their work. They are subsequently left out of computer knowledge, for which others are comfortably to blame. So they have an excuse for themselves to manipulate more.
Well, maybe that's a bit extreme and grimly put.
Still though, I've given my father several books about various computer topics, ranging from a comic, explaining basic computer topics, to Word for Dummies. He has Windows95 and it came with a "getting started" booklet. But he refuses to even attempt to read those!
He just bluntly tells me: "I don't want to have to learn about it, I just want to use it;" and I'm not making this up. Mind you, the guy has a University degree too.
Automatic gear makes you a sufficiently skilled driver. Yeah right...
Of course you're going to be all alone on the road, no other cars or any obstacles. Forget about traffic lights and traffic signs in general. That's just for the "advanced" driver, normal people don't have to fuzz with all that, they just wanna get from A to B. Yeah right...
On the north pole, you could probably get away with this actually.
If I were a PHB, I'd much rather employ two kids whom I can bully around easily for the price of some older guy who not only has a lot of (authoritative) knowledge, but also knows it.
And what Real Manager cares if the kids can't get it done? They're easy to blame anyway. Try that with the vintage programmer guy.
Free Software is NOT about "Ralph Nader's Agenda" (whatever that may be.) Nor is it about "Competing with Microsoft."
Free Software is about software - and in a broader sense technology - returning back to the public grounds. Technology should not remain locked up in the safehouses of the few who have (money- or knowledgewise), but instead should flourish in the common culture.
Openness of the Stuff that programs (or technology in general) are made of is a prerequisite and the best guarantee for a continued interaction between development and use of programs (technology) in our human culture.
Locking up knowledge is a dead end for humanity.
The Gartners, Brownses and the rest of the FUD slinging professional truth-mongers just don't see this. Maybe they don't like to, clinging as they do to their business of selling you the truth, in a handsome report.
But lets focus on the contents of this "Trend Analysis"
Once again, a "report" appears to be humming the well-known FUD theme "who are you going to sue?"
I'd like to see these "consultants" for once to come up with some detailed cases of customers sueing software vendors for buggy software. In any case, I've never heard of any substantial case.
For example, did anyone ever successfully sue Microsoft for the bugs in their software?
These incredible dimwitted reports are really starting to annoy me, because they are so flagrantly untrue and disrespective of the plain facts of reality.
With Free Software, the question is not "who are you going to call if things break", the question is "who are you NOT going to call if things break."
With Free Software, you can call virtually any skilled software engineer to fix your programs, because the code is available.
This might even be far cheaper than stumbling in the dark to pinpoint the cause of problems, losing time and money on the phone with your vendor's (clueless) "tech"-support drones, losing even more time argueing with the vendor about who's to blame and finally paying premium for a "custom" solution from your vendor, costing a multiple of the original (buggy) software.
Umm, am I mistaken or are the splits between the Linux distributions far more friendly than the rifts between the *BSD camps? I really think that *BSD people complaining about this issue ate too many red herrings for lunch:-)
Oh and about Corel, aren't they going to base their "distribution" on an already existing distribution, contributing back their improvements? I heard rumor of just that.
Did Tom Christiansen actually read what he wrote and think about it? Because by his reasoning, Linux should not be called "Linux."
After all, how many lines of code needed to build a typical running "Linux" system are actually part of the Linux kernel source? I bet it is a much smaller number than the number of lines accredited to the FSF.
This rant is just stupid.
Erm, it's Debian GNU/Linux already...
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Maybe instead you should not say anything yourself if you apparently don't know yourself.
On many occasions have I seen people download.rpm's by hand and running rpm by hand, downloading more.rpm's by hand because there were missing dependencies, again running rpm, again downlading more.rpm's etc. etc.
With Debian, there needs not be such hassle (though you can if you insist.) With dselect or apt-get, all dependencies are checked _in_advance_ .
Everytime I see someone kludge around with.rpm, I ask them, is there no dselect/apt-get available for rpm? Never have I been answered positively.
So, while I'm not admittedly not a RedHat guru, I have worked with it. I have asked others too, so I'm not limiting my scope to my own experiences.
Please take it from me:
No other distribution than Debian has something as good and useful as dselect or apt.
Having said that, apart from the missing dselect/apt-get, RedHat and the other distributions have their own strong points, probably.
I welcome any of you to come to work here in Sweden for ~$27,000 that the likes of Ericsson and ABB give a MSc&E fresh out of college. That's before govt take all your money through taxes, btw.
At least in Sweden you won't have to afford a house with a big fence or risk being shot in the streets.
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Whoops, the response gets dropped by slashdot's router... doesn't have a routing table entry for 192.168.0.0/24. Either that, or it gets routed to slashdot's internal network, if it uses that particular subnet. You never see your precious connection again.
Slashdot.org runs Debian. Debian uses rp_filter in the network setup. Even if slashdot.org had another interface on a 192.168.0.0/24 network, it would just drop the packet.Until now, I used to have a fresh potato every morning when I came in to the office.
Soon, I'll have a woody every morning after I come in the office. It sounds very exciting!
> most major distros are at ~6.x, nuff said.
Nuff said about you, I'm afraid.
When Solaris went from version 2.6 to 2.7, they decided to instead adopt 7 as the number of the version.
Windows NT has version 4.0 and Sun was afraid that clueless people would assume that NT was better because 4.0 is bigger than 2.7
Real Managers of course know that NT is a better server because it also run MS Office, which they (think they) know.
You did not yet install Debian on dad's peecee?
I hope that the "beta" status applies to their licence too.
Seriously, this will happen more and more often as more and more old-school-commerce businesses are getting a taste of linux. For now, I'm just happy that to think that Corel dev people have had a good working relationship with debian and I hope that they will try to correct the misunderstanding ASAP.
I hope it's just a case of a runaway legal department. I had a good smile too at the 3com site, where you had to "submit" to the terms of the gpl before being allowed to access their drivers. It seems that it's not just the marketing departments that have a hard time getting used to the linux way.
I know Jos Vos. He's a really nice guy, has been into Linux for quite a while, probably a lot longer than 99% of the /. regulars.
Oh and he wrote the Linux 2.0 firewalling code.
Hey, there's probably a lot of truth to that comment about those 80s homecomputers.
I used to have a Commodore 64 and I remember spelling the Reference Guide, which listed everything up to the functional block design and registers of the IC's inside. I found it fascinating, even though I was only 12 at the time.
Mind you, I also had friends who'd only copy warez and play games all the time and couldn't care less about even writing a BASIC program.
Sometimes I wonder if I should consider myself gifted by time to have been able to play with computers that were so transparent from the conceptual level to the implementation.
As far as the "unwilling users" are concerned: most really don't want to lear, _especially_ if there's a techie around who can be bothered to do the stuff for them.
Most unwilling users are people who have exactly that sort of mindset that they like to manipulate other people into doing their work. They are subsequently left out of computer knowledge, for which others are comfortably to blame. So they have an excuse for themselves to manipulate more.
Well, maybe that's a bit extreme and grimly put.
Still though, I've given my father several books about various computer topics, ranging from a comic, explaining basic computer topics, to Word for Dummies. He has Windows95 and it came with a "getting started" booklet. But he refuses to even attempt to read those!
He just bluntly tells me: "I don't want to have to learn about it, I just want to use it;" and I'm not making this up. Mind you, the guy has a University degree too.
People have also been using logical thought and reasoning for umpteen thousand years.
And you apparently still cannot cope.
Automatic gear makes you a sufficiently skilled driver. Yeah right...
Of course you're going to be all alone on the road, no other cars or any obstacles. Forget about traffic lights and traffic signs in general. That's just for the "advanced" driver, normal people don't have to fuzz with all that, they just wanna get from A to B. Yeah right...
On the north pole, you could probably get away with this actually.
If I were a PHB, I'd much rather employ two kids whom I can bully around easily for the price of some older guy who not only has a lot of (authoritative) knowledge, but also knows it.
And what Real Manager cares if the kids can't get it done? They're easy to blame anyway. Try that with the vintage programmer guy.
So where did that IP-stack in a PIC hoax go?
IMOH, if you put this sort of stuff up, you should keep it on the site, even if it turns out to be a blatant hoax.
> It can't be both.
Sure it can. Just look at Windows. :-)
They just keep missing the point.
Free Software is NOT about "Ralph Nader's Agenda" (whatever that may be.) Nor is it about "Competing with Microsoft."
Free Software is about software - and in a broader sense technology - returning back to the public grounds. Technology should not remain locked up in the safehouses of the few who have (money- or knowledgewise), but instead should flourish in the common culture.
Openness of the Stuff that programs (or technology in general) are made of is a prerequisite and the best guarantee for a continued interaction between development and use of programs (technology) in our human culture.
Locking up knowledge is a dead end for humanity.
The Gartners, Brownses and the rest of the FUD slinging professional truth-mongers just don't see this. Maybe they don't like to, clinging as they do to their business of selling you the truth, in a handsome report.
But lets focus on the contents of this "Trend Analysis"
Once again, a "report" appears to be humming the well-known FUD theme "who are you going to sue?"
I'd like to see these "consultants" for once to come up with some detailed cases of customers sueing software vendors for buggy software. In any case, I've never heard of any substantial case.
For example, did anyone ever successfully sue Microsoft for the bugs in their software?
These incredible dimwitted reports are really starting to annoy me, because they are so flagrantly untrue and disrespective of the plain facts of reality.
With Free Software, the question is not "who are you going to call if things break", the question is "who are you NOT going to call if things break."
With Free Software, you can call virtually any skilled software engineer to fix your programs, because the code is available.
This might even be far cheaper than stumbling in the dark to pinpoint the cause of problems, losing time and money on the phone with your vendor's (clueless) "tech"-support drones, losing even more time argueing with the vendor about who's to blame and finally paying premium for a "custom" solution from your vendor, costing a multiple of the original (buggy) software.
Umm, am I mistaken or are the splits between the Linux distributions far more friendly than the rifts between the *BSD camps? I really think that *BSD people complaining about this issue ate too many red herrings for lunch :-)
Oh and about Corel, aren't they going to base their "distribution" on an already existing distribution, contributing back their improvements? I heard rumor of just that.
Did Tom Christiansen actually read what he wrote and think about it? Because by his reasoning, Linux should not be called "Linux."
After all, how many lines of code needed to build a typical running "Linux" system are actually part of the Linux kernel source? I bet it is a much smaller number than the number of lines accredited to the FSF.
This rant is just stupid.
Erm, it's Debian GNU/Linux already...
Maybe instead you should not say anything yourself if you apparently don't know yourself.
.rpm's by hand and running rpm by hand, downloading more .rpm's by hand because there were missing dependencies, again running rpm, again downlading more .rpm's etc. etc.
.rpm, I ask them, is there no dselect/apt-get available for rpm? Never have I been answered positively.
On many occasions have I seen people download
With Debian, there needs not be such hassle (though you can if you insist.) With dselect or apt-get, all dependencies are checked _in_advance_ .
Everytime I see someone kludge around with
So, while I'm not admittedly not a RedHat guru, I have worked with it. I have asked others too, so I'm not limiting my scope to my own experiences.
Please take it from me:
No other distribution than Debian has something as good and useful as dselect or apt.
Having said that, apart from the missing dselect/apt-get, RedHat and the other distributions have their own strong points, probably.
Where's the point of it?
I welcome any of you to come to work here in Sweden for ~$27,000 that the likes of Ericsson and ABB give a MSc&E fresh out of college. That's before govt take all your money through taxes, btw.
At least in Sweden you won't have to afford a house with a big fence or risk being shot in the streets.
And you get to be paid in Euro's soon...