Hate to be a spoilsport, but I was raised in a damaging cult for 20 years of my life. I really don't find it all that funny.
Yum
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
Nowhere did you see me say it should be taken down. I just didn't find it funny. Live with it.
Re: Yum
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
damn and you can't return for a refund because your parents are the ones who supervise the initial boot-up!
Re: Yum
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
Actually I wasn't raised catholic. I was raised Armstrongite. This site gives a good idea of what this cult did.
Re: Yum
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
what are you... a poster child for living in the past?
or maybe you just see you special victomhood as an area of the noosphere that you can claim for yourself.
no offense, but you'll never get over it if you can't even stop talking about it. Now let's not hear any more of you whining on slashdot, OK? Please???
Re: Yum
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
What's wrong with Catholicism? All those good values?
Re: Yum
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
Believing the claptrap that someone else, be they a minister, a therapist, a 900 number hotline, or whatnot is one thing. Complaining to the world that it made you feel bad, or made you broke, or confused you is another thing entirely.
Make your choices and either stick with them or don't. In neither case is there room to complain about what someone did to you.
I have absolutely no compassion for people who are gullible enough to fall for someone else's organized beliefs. If you can't think for yourself, that's fine, but please don't impose your problems on others.
Gee, all my life I thought have been happy because I intelligently followed the collective teachings and thoughts of one of the world's leading theological institutions. Come to think of it, a lot of people I know have the same misconception. But, lo, an "Anonymous Coward" posted a very well constructed and intelligent flame contradicting this institution, such that my life will never be the same! ____________________
I am not saying "you offended me, go away"
I am saying, if you don't have anything INTELLIGENT to post, save us the pain of reading your ramblings. ..or at least pretend to offer support for your rhetoric
maybe HE is ignorant - but in one respect he is right: you can't cope with traumatic experiences by means of those ostentative self-exposures. believe me, i had to find that out for myself. talk to friends, or if you don't have any, talk to a psychologist (no psychiatrist). but talking to strangers WON'T help.
More oddity
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
Could be worse, at least Jerry Falwell didn't sponsor it.
page layout
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
I really liked the layout of his MS98 review page maybe it's time for/. to make a change to something like this. 8)
IT"S a FAKE
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
i asked POPE RAW oF Church of the SubGenius and he said that ANY cult that willnt let you PAY for your SALVATION, isnt worth your MONEY even if they have a money back guarantee. REAL internet cults cost BLOOD and 20 Dollars!
news?
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
This is news? Well.. i spose it was kinda funny.
Your site, your content, just cant believe I read the whole thing.
Kind of tedious...
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
I'd prefer to read an article in The Onion about Internet Death Cults. Reading this one was more tedious than killing every rat outside your vault at the beginning of the Fallout. Sheesh.
I hate to bring this up again, but...
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
It looks like that site has the Dread Questionmark Disease#
I know there?s an explanation for it/ but isn?t it about time to just go ahead and fix it' I mean/ is it something that?s terribly hard to fix'
ASCII ordination has been pretty well documented for the last few years/ as far as I can remember###
Actual quote:
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
"All you fag-ass slashdot posting, rootshell visiting little bitches - die."
Don't waste your mouse click
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
This is stupid. It isn't even all that imaginative. Rob, you're really passing some pure crap on to your readers. Ars-technica is quickly overtaking Slashdot as the coolest nerd news site on the web. Get with it before this site becomes as popular as Segfault.
Yeah, but Ars Technica is tough to read
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
With all that tiny writing on the black background, I can hardly read it, and it's eyestrain city.. PLEASE keep the black on white!
ah-ha!
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
i had seen that pentium III commercial. i couldn't figure out what on earth they meant by that bit about "the internet will be more fun".
But now it makes sense to me!
Not only has the fanatacism for the x86 architecture been upgraded to a "cult", the Pentium III will be so large and put off so much heat and radiation that it will kill you!
it's an internet death cult of fun! i'm surprised Motorola, with all their "innovation", hasn't thought of this yet.
moronized page!
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
Oh dear, that page is moronized!
Microsoft's code page 1252 is at it again.
Bleah.
Looks like someone needs to run http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/ on it.
Sounds like MS Frontpage.
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
I had to use that at work once. It automatically nests just about everything out of order. I always figured it was done on purpose in order to get people making web pages that wouldn't come out right on anything but MS IE. Then again, it could have been incompetant programming. It just doesn't seem like the kind of bug you'd end up with naturally. I have a hard time believing that they didn't have _anyone_ check the programs output as well. I mean, it's really, really obvious that it's nesting out of order. It has to be on purpose. And people wonder why I hate Microsoft. No, actually, they don't wonder why I hate Microsoft. They don't ask what my reasons are, they just act like I'm some sort of foaming at the mouth, blaspheming looney. It's amazing how many people seem to believe that the entire US economy is based around MS. The really dangerous thing though, is that otherwise intelligent people haven't noticed that Microsoft, though it does make rather large profits, is never going to make enough profit to get its real value near to its stock value. Personally, I think they're headed for some hard times stock-wise when they finally collapse due to their own weight and their flimsy foundations. Not that they don't have a lot of money saved up for a rainy day, of course. Oops, I've gone off into a rabid anti-MS spiel where it doesn't really belong. Sorry. That Frontpage thing has always bothered me though.
not too amusing
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
Imt/phear seems like a rip of tnt/phorce. I don't remeber the url to their page, but it was quite amusing. They had a "news" page about which groups took over which IRC channels, it seemed like a huge pissing contest or a stupid ass soap opera. One other thing I have noticed is that how many people make fun of the "31337" kiddies. When I used IRC, everyone constantly joked about it, and it got damn old. It seems that the jokesters are keeping this "31337" talk around just as much as the people who actually talk that way.
LAME LAME LAME!
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
Don't bother... Cmdr Taco... don't abuse the customers by wasting their time!!!
chill the fuck out, sparky.
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
so he didn't like it -- so what? who appointed you the local cop? you clearly have no sense of humor either, but, unlike him, you're rude.
it wasn't a masterpiece anyway. there were some very solid ideas (parents being pleased that their kids joined a "quality death cult", and the bit about waiting to die naturally), and the infomercial conceit was fundamentally sound, but they tried to do the infomercial repetition thing, too -- but that trick doesn't work in print, only in media where the audience is passive.
they couldn've cut a lot of the redundancy, and kept the infomercial "feel" just by dropping familiar catchphrases. oh, well. it ain't up the the subgenius standard, but it was a very solid effort and i enjoyed it a great deal.
your little tantrum, on the other hand, was not at all amusing. deal with it.
He's not whining, you moron; YOU are.
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
Your parents clearly raised you to be a mindless, hostile right-wing asshole, but you haven't gotten over that, have you? You're still taking it out on the rest of the world.
You're a dirty little creep. He's admitting that something went wrong, but you're trying to blame your character deficiencies on him. He's living his life and dealing with it. You're in denial.
You're pathetic.
Ars is more limited
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
There's almost no coverage of non-PC technology, and absolutely none of actual science. I like A-T, but it doesn't cover the breadth of subjects like/. does. A-T only includes a fairly small subset of my interests.
It's also a little repetitive and immature. ("Celeron love", "Big-Ass Case love", "Super Cooling love", "Voodoo 3 love", "TNT love" -- do these guys need some love, or what?)
On the other hand, they don't post stuff like this article, either. It wasn't funny, just... stupid and annoying. It's the kind of thing people were doing in 1993 to differentiate themselves from the (then highly-prevalent) dry technical texts. Lots and lots of pages with almost no text on them.
It would have almost been novel 5 or 6 years ago. Almost. But I think it would have been annoying and stupid then, too.
We had this sort of thing in the old BBS days of the 80s. But then again, we were ignorant teenagers back then.
Ars is more limited
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
There's almost no coverage of non-PC technology, and absolutely none of actual science. I like A-T, but it doesn't cover the breadth of subjects like/. does. A-T only includes a fairly small subset of my interests.
It's also a little repetitive and immature. ("Celeron love", "Big-Ass Case love", "Super Cooling love", "Voodoo 3 love", "TNT love" -- do these guys need some love, or what?)
<RANT TYPE=AC> On the other hand, they don't post stuff like this article, either. It wasn't funny, just... stupid and annoying. It's the kind of thing people were doing in 1993 to differentiate themselves from the (then highly-prevalent) dry technical texts. Lots and lots of pages with almost no text on them.
It would have almost been novel 5 or 6 years ago. Almost. But I think it would have been annoying and stupid then, too.
We had this sort of thing in the old BBS days of the 80s. But then again, we were ignorant teenagers back then. </RANT>
They can coast...
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
After all, given the scope of the Vatican's history, this little downturn is pretty much a statistical fluctuation.
And declining receipts won't convice 'em. They have a couple thousand years' plunder in the vault. If it gets tight, they can fence a few hundred mil worth of stolen goods.
No Subject Given
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
Join The Cult
"Demoronizer"--why?
by
Anonymous Coward
·
· Score: 0
Why should I take extra steps to accomodate Microsoft's refusal to play by the rules? Why the fsck do we make the effort to all agree on something if we then have to do something else because the playground bully feels like it? No, I applaud the author of the demoronizer for his effort, but it's a problem for which I want a correct solution, not a costly workaround.
How You Can Help: give luqin head. smurf slashdot.org. kill jesse camp. send PLuToNiuM naked pictures of Katie Holmes. send brian warez. send [m1] porno. send alive stolen computer parts. buy sdr a girlfriend. or maybe start a petition to free hell`fuqr or something.
No, the forcing "good" values down people's throats is the fundamentalist Protestants' job. The Catholic Church used to do that, and would most likely love to again, but they seem to have lost some of their power. So it goes.
I enjoyed the site, and I'm glad Cmdr Taco pointed it out.
Sure, it might say a few things that sound like " ETERNAL SALVATION! (or triple your money back)" -- but that is clearly the Skor at work, entangling the world lines of one web within another.
Or something like that.
And if you didn't get it? Well then: who's in charge of fixing that?
-Creon
Yuck - Then why did you read it?
by
willfe
·
· Score: 1
I can't beleive someone found that page. I forgot all about it.
In reference to some questions, 1) The site is on a Linux Box running Apache 2) The HTML was written in a general text editor by hand. Any bad HTML is my own fault. It appears some of the things mentioned only show up on Netscape 4.x and higher. 3) I don't notice any of the question marks on my machines (Red Hat 5.1 w/ Netscape 4.03 or Win95 with Netscape 3.0) What browser do these question marks show up in (and what OS?) I'm quite interested in this. I've never run into it. 4) It was written sometime ago at 3am in the morning in about 1 hour. I posted it and forgot all about it. (Like most my stuff) I'm glad some liked it. 5) And most important, I don't ever use the MS browser. I don't ever use and MS HTML editor. I don't ever use MS frontpage. I do use Win95 because I own a recording studio and the only apps I have for digital sound are made for Win95. I expect when BeOS has a few more high end apps for sound, I will make a change to that. But, until then. I'm a bit stuck. (Oh yeah, I use Linux and Win95 and 50%-50%) Oh my god, I have to make excuses for why I use Win95. Heh heh,. that's funny.
My God it's a bit like a bad snake oil salesman. These kind of satire/humor pages were funny the first 100 times I saw them, but the genre is starting to wear a bit thin.
I am not joining any cult that advocates putting invalid HTML on my web page. I mean, would you be seen dead with this in your page: <a><font>... </a></font>
There is a block of characters reserved for future use as extra control characters in iso8859. Since it wasn't used Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, assigned what they thought were useful characters (eg curly quotes. They also have a replacement for the standard back quote there). What is worse, all their HTML generation tools (eg export to HTML in word, frontpage, etc) use these characters as much as possible.
On systems unlucky enough to be missing the MS enhanced fonts, these characters will not display correctly (replaced by question marks in netscape).
They brought back indulgences recently
by
grappler
·
· Score: 1
There's a whole system that goes with it. A system with points and weightings for different offences and such. You can figure out whether you're going to heaven with a few calculations. It's really quite silly.
Slashdot Mirror
Hate to be a spoilsport, but I was raised in a damaging cult for
20 years of my life. I really don't find it all that funny.
Nowhere did you see me say it should be taken down.
I just didn't find it funny. Live with it.
Could be worse, at least Jerry Falwell didn't sponsor it.
I really liked the layout of his MS98 review page maybe it's time for /. to make a change to something like this. 8)
i asked POPE RAW oF Church of the SubGenius and he said that ANY cult that willnt let you PAY for your SALVATION, isnt worth your MONEY even if they have a money back guarantee.
REAL internet cults cost BLOOD and 20 Dollars!
This is news? Well.. i spose it was kinda funny.
Your site, your content, just cant believe I read the whole thing.
t0ast.
that was no where near as amusing as this.
nuff said
I'd prefer to read an article in The Onion about Internet Death Cults. Reading this one was more tedious than killing every rat outside your vault at the beginning of the Fallout.
Sheesh.
It looks like that site has the Dread Questionmark Disease#
I know there?s an explanation for it/ but isn?t it about time to just go ahead and fix it' I mean/ is it something that?s terribly hard to fix'
ASCII ordination has been pretty well documented for the last few years/ as far as I can remember###
"All you fag-ass slashdot posting, rootshell visiting little bitches - die."
This is stupid. It isn't even all that imaginative. Rob, you're really passing some pure crap on to your readers. Ars-technica is quickly overtaking Slashdot as the coolest nerd news site on the web. Get with it before this site becomes as popular as Segfault.
With all that tiny writing on the black background, I can hardly read it, and it's eyestrain city.. PLEASE keep the black on white!
i had seen that pentium III commercial. i couldn't figure out what on earth they meant by that bit about "the internet will be more fun".
But now it makes sense to me!
Not only has the fanatacism for the x86 architecture been upgraded to a "cult", the Pentium III will be so large and put off so much heat and radiation that it will kill you!
it's an internet death cult of fun! i'm surprised Motorola, with all their "innovation", hasn't thought of this yet.
Oh dear, that page is moronized!
Microsoft's code page 1252 is at it again.
Bleah.
Looks like someone needs to run http://www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/ on it.
I had to use that at work once. It automatically nests just about everything out of order. I always figured it was done on purpose in order to get people making web pages that wouldn't come out right on anything but MS IE. Then again, it could have been incompetant programming. It just doesn't seem like the kind of bug you'd end up with naturally. I have a hard time believing that they didn't have _anyone_ check the programs output as well. I mean, it's really, really obvious that it's nesting out of order. It has to be on purpose.
And people wonder why I hate Microsoft. No, actually, they don't wonder why I hate Microsoft. They don't ask what my reasons are, they just act like I'm some sort of foaming at the mouth, blaspheming looney. It's amazing how many people seem to believe that the entire US economy is based around MS. The really dangerous thing though, is that otherwise intelligent people haven't noticed that Microsoft, though it does make rather large profits, is never going to make enough profit to get its real value near to its stock value. Personally, I think they're headed for some hard times stock-wise when they finally collapse due to their own weight and their flimsy foundations. Not that they don't have a lot of money saved up for a rainy day, of course.
Oops, I've gone off into a rabid anti-MS spiel where it doesn't really belong. Sorry. That Frontpage thing has always bothered me though.
Imt/phear seems like a rip of tnt/phorce. I don't remeber the url to their page, but it was quite amusing. They had a "news" page about which groups took over which IRC channels, it seemed like a huge pissing contest or a stupid ass soap opera. One other thing I have noticed is that how many people make fun of the "31337" kiddies. When I used IRC, everyone constantly joked about it, and it got damn old. It seems that the jokesters are keeping this "31337" talk around just as much as the people who actually talk that way.
Don't bother ... Cmdr Taco ... don't abuse the customers by wasting their time!!!
so he didn't like it -- so what? who appointed you the local cop? you clearly have no sense of humor either, but, unlike him, you're rude.
it wasn't a masterpiece anyway. there were some very solid ideas (parents being pleased that their kids joined a "quality death cult", and the bit about waiting to die naturally), and the infomercial conceit was fundamentally sound, but they tried to do the infomercial repetition thing, too -- but that trick doesn't work in print, only in media where the audience is passive.
they couldn've cut a lot of the redundancy, and kept the infomercial "feel" just by dropping familiar catchphrases. oh, well. it ain't up the the subgenius standard, but it was a very solid effort and i enjoyed it a great deal.
your little tantrum, on the other hand, was not at all amusing. deal with it.
Your parents clearly raised you to be a mindless, hostile right-wing asshole, but you haven't gotten over that, have you? You're still taking it out on the rest of the world.
You're a dirty little creep. He's admitting that something went wrong, but you're trying to blame your character deficiencies on him. He's living his life and dealing with it. You're in denial.
You're pathetic.
There's almost no coverage of non-PC technology, and absolutely none of actual science. I like A-T, but it doesn't cover the breadth of subjects like /. does. A-T only includes a fairly small subset of my interests.
It's also a little repetitive and immature. ("Celeron love", "Big-Ass Case love", "Super Cooling love", "Voodoo 3 love", "TNT love" -- do these guys need some love, or what?)
On the other hand, they don't post stuff like this article, either. It wasn't funny, just... stupid and annoying. It's the kind of thing people were doing in 1993 to differentiate themselves from the (then highly-prevalent) dry technical texts. Lots and lots of pages with almost no text on them.
It would have almost been novel 5 or 6 years ago. Almost. But I think it would have been annoying and stupid then, too.
We had this sort of thing in the old BBS days of the 80s. But then again, we were ignorant teenagers back then.
There's almost no coverage of non-PC technology, and absolutely none of actual science. I like A-T, but it doesn't cover the breadth of subjects like /. does. A-T only includes a fairly small subset of my interests.
It's also a little repetitive and immature. ("Celeron love", "Big-Ass Case love", "Super Cooling love", "Voodoo 3 love", "TNT love" -- do these guys need some love, or what?)
<RANT TYPE=AC>
On the other hand, they don't post stuff like this article, either. It wasn't funny, just... stupid and annoying. It's the kind of thing people were doing in 1993 to differentiate themselves from the (then highly-prevalent) dry technical texts. Lots and lots of pages with almost no text on them.
It would have almost been novel 5 or 6 years ago. Almost. But I think it would have been annoying and stupid then, too.
We had this sort of thing in the old BBS days of the 80s. But then again, we were ignorant teenagers back then.
</RANT>
After all, given the scope of the Vatican's history, this little downturn is pretty much a statistical fluctuation.
And declining receipts won't convice 'em. They have a couple thousand years' plunder in the vault. If it gets tight, they can fence a few hundred mil worth of stolen goods.
Join The Cult
Why should I take extra steps to accomodate Microsoft's refusal to play by the rules? Why the fsck do we make the effort to all agree on something if we then have to do something else because the playground bully feels like it? No, I applaud the author of the demoronizer for his effort, but it's a problem for which I want a correct solution, not a costly workaround.
How You Can Help:
give luqin head.
smurf slashdot.org.
kill jesse camp.
send PLuToNiuM naked pictures of Katie Holmes.
send brian warez.
send [m1] porno.
send alive stolen computer parts.
buy sdr a girlfriend.
or maybe start a petition to free hell`fuqr or something.
No, the forcing "good" values down people's throats is the fundamentalist Protestants' job. The Catholic Church used to do that, and would most likely love to again, but they seem to have lost some of their power. So it goes.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
read the site a bit. You'll notice that it's satire. The incessant references to buddylists should've tipped you off.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
It's satire. A joke. As in "Supposed to be funny." Laugh.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Posted by LOTHAR, of the Hill People:
http://www.monkeypaw.com/monkeyland/index1.html
at that part of the website they mention/link slashdot.
Where's the point of it?
I gave up at page 10. Does the funny part come after that?
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
So, the Free Church of Scotland has made it on to the internet!
I'm out of my tree just now but please feel free to leave a banana.
Not funny at all, considering you took the
picture off of my page at http://www.mrbill.net.
Get a life, losers.
Sure, it might say a few things that sound like " ETERNAL SALVATION! (or triple your money back)" -- but that is clearly the Skor at work, entangling the world lines of one web within another.
Or something like that.
And if you didn't get it? Well then: who's in charge of fixing that?
-Creon
Subject says it all.
Read my stuff.
I'm far from being a h4x0rzzz, but man, pages like that really make me want to do something bad to their owners.
I mean... AOL Instant Messenger 'hacking'?? Yeesh. That's just immensely pathetic.
I didn't think that was funny at all. It was just stupid.
In reference to some questions,
1) The site is on a Linux Box running Apache
2) The HTML was written in a general text editor by hand. Any bad HTML is my own fault. It appears some of the things mentioned only show up on Netscape 4.x and higher.
3) I don't notice any of the question marks on my machines (Red Hat 5.1 w/ Netscape 4.03 or Win95 with Netscape 3.0) What browser do these question marks show up in (and what OS?) I'm quite interested in this. I've never run into it.
4) It was written sometime ago at 3am in the morning in about 1 hour. I posted it and forgot all about it. (Like most my stuff) I'm glad some liked it.
5) And most important, I don't ever use the MS browser. I don't ever use and MS HTML editor. I don't ever use MS frontpage. I do use Win95 because I own a recording studio and the only apps I have for digital sound are made for Win95. I expect when BeOS has a few more high end apps for sound, I will make a change to that. But, until then. I'm a bit stuck. (Oh yeah, I use Linux and Win95 and 50%-50%) Oh my god, I have to make excuses for why I use Win95. Heh heh,. that's funny.
My studio - www.graylands.ca
This is due to Microsoft putting their own twists
on standards. The "Demoronizer" perl script referenced on freshmeat fixes this.
DrDev
My God it's a bit like a bad snake oil salesman. These kind of satire/humor pages were funny the first 100 times I saw them, but the genre is starting to wear a bit thin.
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
but thank God they did not put in any subliminal messages!
--Ivan, weenie NT4 user, Jon Katz hater: bite me!
--weenie NT4 user: bite me!
"Computers are nothing but a perfect illusion of order" -- Iggy Pop
Wow, how m4ny chinz did that h4ck3r h4v3?
--Ivan, weenie NT4 user, Jon Katz hater: bite me!
--weenie NT4 user: bite me!
"Computers are nothing but a perfect illusion of order" -- Iggy Pop
Humor just escapes some escapes some people...
--Ivan, weenie NT4 user, Jon Katz hater: bite me!
--weenie NT4 user: bite me!
"Computers are nothing but a perfect illusion of order" -- Iggy Pop
I am not joining any cult that advocates putting invalid HTML on my web page. I mean, would you be seen dead with this in your page: ... </a></font>
<a><font>
There is a block of characters reserved for future use as extra control characters in iso8859. Since it wasn't used Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, assigned what they thought were useful characters (eg curly quotes. They also have a replacement for the standard back quote there). What is worse, all their HTML generation tools (eg export to HTML in word, frontpage, etc) use these characters as much as possible.
On systems unlucky enough to be missing the MS enhanced fonts, these characters will not display correctly (replaced by question marks in netscape).
There's a whole system that goes with it. A system with points and weightings for different offences and such. You can figure out whether you're going to heaven with a few calculations. It's really quite silly.
Vidi, Vici, Veni
The thing is,
that the internet death cult of fun was suppose to be a joke.
the cracker's site is suppose to be serious.
---
I'm going to live forever, or die in the attempt.
That was about as funny as a kick in the nuts.
When is slashdot gonna post something about Bill Gates' email beta tracking program? I hear that everyone who participates gets a thousand dollars.
Most sigs are dumb. This is one of them.