Reading your original post, I see you weren't talking about innovation, you were talking about boring. Again, true to a certain extent. Their designs used to be much more fanciful. In college my wife had one of those second gen CRT iMacs, the purple one. She called it Aurora, after the princess in Sleeping Beauty. The matching usb printer she called Prints Phillip. There was a certain whimsy in their products that is largely gone. Like the happy-go-lucky youth who grows into the stern and ruthlessly effective adult.
I would agree with you to a certain extent - they have definitely optimized the aluminum unibody chassis. I think in recent years they have focused much more on industrial design and product design than outward shells. But no less innovative. Consider retina notebooks, 12 hr battery life, multitouch trackpad, PCI ssds, thunderbolt, getting rid of DVD drives, many price drops due to manufacturing efficiencies without sacrificing the product, Mac Pro manufactured by apple in USA. Next time you go to the apple store, look at the keyboards across their entire macbook line from 11" to 15". It's the same damn keyboard. Remember the net books with absurdly crappy keyboards? No such compromises with apple. In short, the company has been innovating continuously, even though it's all been in the same package.
Bottom line, though, is that it's better to be a paying customer - at least you know the business has a vested interest in the product. Same with Evernote vs. free options. They make their money from users who get value from their products.
+1 truth. it goes back to the old saying, if you're not the customer then you're the product. even though i'm a feedly free user, the fact that they offer a paid option means they are continuously investing in their platform, both in features and in stability, and they see some long-term value from continuing. same for pandora, nytimes, hbogo, amazon prime, netflix, iTunes, evernote, others.
Remember the original iMac, or the sunflower one? The clamshell iBook? The G4 Cube? They had such interesting and unique designs. Their current stuff, though... most of what they have is some slight variation of a featureless slab. So refined, so minimalistic, so elegant, so chic, so skull-numbingly boring.
totally agree. like the new mac pro? totally lame! asleep at the switch! practically a beige box.
Hiring a non-computer executive? What's next, will they hire one from a soft drink company?
more like, hiring a tag heuer exec for iwatches, hiring the burberry CEO to be SVP retail, hiring a YSL exec for "special projects". apple is going high fashion!
meh. in this scenario they're asking me to sign a contract, something I'm by no means obligated to do. This contract puts me at risk for significant penalties. I want to be compensating for taking on this extra risk.
by no means would I ever shop around the info or try to sell it. I never said that. That would be unethical and unnecessary. If it said something controversial I may leak it to a news agency, but not sell it to them either. I'm an upstanding person. Aside from that, goldman can kiss my ass.
why? it's not like we're dealing with a little old lady or a church. if goldman sachs wanted to cut a deal with me, why wouldn't I exploit that as much as possible? I have no inclination to do them a solid.
my brother, who works in finance, has a favorite expression for when he gets the extreme upper hand in a deal. "ripping their faces off".
In US, anyone can sue anyone. with a reason or without a reason. as a businessperson you need to be savvy about this. if you want to stay in business then you need to be prepared for this, either by having a lot of money on hand for lawyers or buying liability insurance in case something like this happens. it's not a big deal.
no man, you just don't get it. here's how I would do it:
"hey, i hear where you're coming from, it's an easy mistake to make and I've done it before. And I understand that because it's so sensitive you're not comfortable unless you have an NDA in place. But if you want me to sign a binding contract then we need to come to an understanding of the value of my participation."
only a chump takes the first offer. if you ask for too much it's not like they're going to get offended and walk away.
So, give them 10k and save 10 times that on lawyers.
small minds think small. this email is very valuable to GS, or at least the costs of it getting 'out in the world' are very high. They're spending mad money on lawyers and they don't even know if anybody recieved or read it! It could be an old or unused account, or the email could be deleted right away.
now imagine if you're the recipient, and you let GS know not only that you recieved the email but that you know it's a valuable email and you saved a local copy. Now GS has crazy amounts of incentive to get you under contract to keep it confidential. I would be negotiating to get this amount.
true, they could try to do it the hard way, and sue you instead, or try to sic the cops on you, or whatever. But they know there will be a Streisand effect and even if they squash the email, the story of them going after the email will get in the wild which will be expensive in terms of bad press.
so i would say the guy with the email has some pretty good leverage, and he should use it to get as much as he can.
If the email contained credit card numbers and such and you don't want to go to jail then $1000 is fairly generous.
You could possibly figure out how to sell it on the black market but most people are not willing to break the law and
risk jail time especially if their identity is already known. Now, on the other hand, if it's stuff that I could sell to a
newspaper about corruption then I would probably be willng to sell it to the highest bidder.
No, I'm not talking about selling the email on the black market. I'm saying if somebody offered me $1000 to sign a retroactive NDA I would treat that as a first offer, and a lowball at that. I'm not compelled to sign an NDA, and I don't have to if I don't want to. I don't even have to read the email, I can just move it to my computer and let it sit there. I would probably zip it up and let the zip file show the date of compression. then I would bargain.
think of it another way. If GS is sending its lawyers to court to get a court order to compel google to do this, then they're already spending $50k in lawyer fees I bet ($500/hr * 100 hours add up). So this is a high value email. From my perspective, if they were to give me enough to pay off my mortgage, I would feel pretty happy and in my happy state would be amenable to entering a contract.
on the other other hand, I'm not going to sign a contract with GS lawyers without a lawyer of my own, so I'm going to have some costs on my side as well that need to be made whole.
Slashdot Mirror
They are looking for child porno and other illegal data. They can't check without power
do you have a citation for this? my understanding is they're looking for devices that are an immediate danger for that flight.
Reading your original post, I see you weren't talking about innovation, you were talking about boring. Again, true to a certain extent. Their designs used to be much more fanciful. In college my wife had one of those second gen CRT iMacs, the purple one. She called it Aurora, after the princess in Sleeping Beauty. The matching usb printer she called Prints Phillip. There was a certain whimsy in their products that is largely gone. Like the happy-go-lucky youth who grows into the stern and ruthlessly effective adult.
I would agree with you to a certain extent - they have definitely optimized the aluminum unibody chassis. I think in recent years they have focused much more on industrial design and product design than outward shells. But no less innovative. Consider retina notebooks, 12 hr battery life, multitouch trackpad, PCI ssds, thunderbolt, getting rid of DVD drives, many price drops due to manufacturing efficiencies without sacrificing the product, Mac Pro manufactured by apple in USA. Next time you go to the apple store, look at the keyboards across their entire macbook line from 11" to 15". It's the same damn keyboard. Remember the net books with absurdly crappy keyboards? No such compromises with apple. In short, the company has been innovating continuously, even though it's all been in the same package.
I never really trust companies with my daily needs. The dependency is stressful and unpractical, so I try to avoid it whenever possible.
dude, you're a real stress ball if the uncertainty from an RSS feed can push you over the top. get a massage!
Bottom line, though, is that it's better to be a paying customer - at least you know the business has a vested interest in the product. Same with Evernote vs. free options. They make their money from users who get value from their products.
+1 truth. it goes back to the old saying, if you're not the customer then you're the product. even though i'm a feedly free user, the fact that they offer a paid option means they are continuously investing in their platform, both in features and in stability, and they see some long-term value from continuing. same for pandora, nytimes, hbogo, amazon prime, netflix, iTunes, evernote, others.
Remember the original iMac, or the sunflower one? The clamshell iBook? The G4 Cube? They had such interesting and unique designs. Their current stuff, though... most of what they have is some slight variation of a featureless slab. So refined, so minimalistic, so elegant, so chic, so skull-numbingly boring.
totally agree. like the new mac pro? totally lame! asleep at the switch! practically a beige box.
Hiring a non-computer executive? What's next, will they hire one from a soft drink company?
more like, hiring a tag heuer exec for iwatches, hiring the burberry CEO to be SVP retail, hiring a YSL exec for "special projects". apple is going high fashion!
meh. in this scenario they're asking me to sign a contract, something I'm by no means obligated to do. This contract puts me at risk for significant penalties. I want to be compensating for taking on this extra risk.
by no means would I ever shop around the info or try to sell it. I never said that. That would be unethical and unnecessary. If it said something controversial I may leak it to a news agency, but not sell it to them either. I'm an upstanding person. Aside from that, goldman can kiss my ass.
why? it's not like we're dealing with a little old lady or a church. if goldman sachs wanted to cut a deal with me, why wouldn't I exploit that as much as possible? I have no inclination to do them a solid.
my brother, who works in finance, has a favorite expression for when he gets the extreme upper hand in a deal. "ripping their faces off".
In US, anyone can sue anyone. with a reason or without a reason. as a businessperson you need to be savvy about this. if you want to stay in business then you need to be prepared for this, either by having a lot of money on hand for lawyers or buying liability insurance in case something like this happens. it's not a big deal.
no man, you just don't get it. here's how I would do it:
"hey, i hear where you're coming from, it's an easy mistake to make and I've done it before. And I understand that because it's so sensitive you're not comfortable unless you have an NDA in place. But if you want me to sign a binding contract then we need to come to an understanding of the value of my participation."
only a chump takes the first offer. if you ask for too much it's not like they're going to get offended and walk away.
So, give them 10k and save 10 times that on lawyers.
small minds think small. this email is very valuable to GS, or at least the costs of it getting 'out in the world' are very high. They're spending mad money on lawyers and they don't even know if anybody recieved or read it! It could be an old or unused account, or the email could be deleted right away.
now imagine if you're the recipient, and you let GS know not only that you recieved the email but that you know it's a valuable email and you saved a local copy. Now GS has crazy amounts of incentive to get you under contract to keep it confidential. I would be negotiating to get this amount.
true, they could try to do it the hard way, and sue you instead, or try to sic the cops on you, or whatever. But they know there will be a Streisand effect and even if they squash the email, the story of them going after the email will get in the wild which will be expensive in terms of bad press.
so i would say the guy with the email has some pretty good leverage, and he should use it to get as much as he can.
If the email contained credit card numbers and such and you don't want to go to jail then $1000 is fairly generous. You could possibly figure out how to sell it on the black market but most people are not willing to break the law and risk jail time especially if their identity is already known. Now, on the other hand, if it's stuff that I could sell to a newspaper about corruption then I would probably be willng to sell it to the highest bidder.
No, I'm not talking about selling the email on the black market. I'm saying if somebody offered me $1000 to sign a retroactive NDA I would treat that as a first offer, and a lowball at that. I'm not compelled to sign an NDA, and I don't have to if I don't want to. I don't even have to read the email, I can just move it to my computer and let it sit there. I would probably zip it up and let the zip file show the date of compression. then I would bargain.
think of it another way. If GS is sending its lawyers to court to get a court order to compel google to do this, then they're already spending $50k in lawyer fees I bet ($500/hr * 100 hours add up). So this is a high value email. From my perspective, if they were to give me enough to pay off my mortgage, I would feel pretty happy and in my happy state would be amenable to entering a contract.
on the other other hand, I'm not going to sign a contract with GS lawyers without a lawyer of my own, so I'm going to have some costs on my side as well that need to be made whole.
so yeah, show me the money.
If someone offered me $1000 to NDA an accidental email? Then I'm sure they would also offer $10k or more.
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then why do people still buy them? I have a mousepad with my face on it.
i didn't know ikea sold high-DPI furniture, even on the higher-end lines.
And it's also astonishing that they didn't notice huge spikes on their end - does nobody buy these things?
they just assumed usage was through the roof!
I'm with Andrews & Arnold and I can see this usage data by logging into their Web site.
why are you with two dudes
why do we have mouse pads?
infrastructure's expensive.
+1 for the name alone. ++1 if it also captured and uploaded youtube videos of sharks at the beach.
Wiz is an infamous gadget hound. Go to youtube to see clips of him babbling over androids, google glass, whatever.
He's not a mime. He walks around downtown Atlanta wearing a wedding gown or a tutu. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_Bob