the problem is in collaborative environments where many people are bouncing a document around. If you use something that's not Word, then it can corrupt small things and the doc will be messed up going forward. Example, it may mess with the font sizes or footers. why deal with the headache? And why should I have to deal with the messes my coworkers make because they have issues with MS?
yes but oppo doesn't sell a google phone with play store etc. if you sell a google phone with play store etc, you can't sell a stock android phone. THIS IS THE POINT
the difference is for whatever reason many people are on phone plans where they get a "free" new phone every two years. so they regularly get new phones even if the old phone is still good. I'm getting off this treadmill now that freedompop supports iphone 5.
not really. laptops have a sleep mode, but it is a zombie state. when you waken it from sleep, it spins everything up, connects to the internet, download email, etc. on an ipad it's always connected and always grabbing email. in fact it will notify you when new messages come in, as opposed to a lappie that can't notify you like that.
an exception is the retina mac, which is always on and connected to the internet.
burrrrrrn
are there any manufacturers who make google android and non-google android like kindle? or any major manufacturers that sell cyanogen or other distros already installed? nope and nope.
I think the issue is a little more different than you suggest. ms made a patch for win 2008 anyway. can you imagine if ms decided not to release it and there was xp havocs from a viruss? there would be horrible press.
inescapable fact about (4g) tablet is that they always have internet access. another inescapable fact is that they are always-on, rather than needing to boot up every time. these are two examples of things the iPad can do but computers cannot do.
They can develop and product based on Android and load it with whatever they want - Windows Store, Ovi Store, etc - and call it anything but Android and Google won't care - even if they also develop products based on Android that are fully Android certified which they do call Android.
the whole crux of this issue as stated in tfs and tfa is that google forces mfrs to do one or the other, but not both!!!!
yes but if you're a provider trying to compete against another company the fast lane might be a good value if it gets you a leg up. of course they'll buy.
that's the whole point. does sammy make a cyanogen phone? nope. Does HTC? Does Moto? nope. because according to the google agreement the manufacturers can't build any non-google android phones. similarly, they can't explore new phone strategies, like a phone that was partly subsidized by the carrier or ad supported. they can only do the one thing that google tells them to do, and that's monopolistic.
think of it this way. You know all the crapware that comes with PCs? MS can't bar the OEMs from including the crapware, because of the monopoly thing. basically, the mfrs here are complaining because they can't include crapware.
the problem is, they won't be selling the fast lanes to consumers, they'll be selling them to providers. like netflix and youtube. so prices will continue to go up for services, and the consumers (us) won't connect the dots.
fine, not the OHA, the MADA. If you want to make a single phone with google apps then all your phones have to be google phones. also, you have to be 100% google on a phone, you can't switch google search for bing or whoever. basically it means that manufacturers can't include crapware on their phones, which makes for better user experience in my opinion but it's wrong to force everybody to do it. there's room in the market for cheap crapware phones and premium phones.
why should I have to pay a premium for my android phone? jk, jk I have an iphone
I love it! Mod parent up, +1 informative and on-topic. Although -1 link to potentially dubious software, better to do the mods yourself. Also -1 crazy person bold and caps.
a requirement for joining the OHA is that a manufacturer can't make any non-OHA phones. lawsuit is arguing that manufacturers can't choose whether to join the OHA or not, because if they don't join they'll go out of business. so the manufacturers don't have a choice. google takes advantage of this by requiring google search as default, which raises the price of phones to consumers because mfrs can't do promotional deals with bing or whoever. this is the definition of illegal monopoly behavior.
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yes, that is a good summary.
if I own an autonomous car I expect it to protect me in the case of a crash. this means plowing into the bicycles instead of the bus.
According to a scientific poll consisting of myself and my friends, nobody has tubes anymore.
Most people still have standard definition television
you think so? I haven't seen any breakdowns on this, but I dont know anybody with a tube TV anymore. In the US that is.
I don't know what these words mean: regail, pound, twinkle, asda, tenner, begone.
the problem is in collaborative environments where many people are bouncing a document around. If you use something that's not Word, then it can corrupt small things and the doc will be messed up going forward. Example, it may mess with the font sizes or footers. why deal with the headache? And why should I have to deal with the messes my coworkers make because they have issues with MS?
Also, google runs chrome so I don't see why eff is engaging with it.
I thought anybody could adjust the HOSTS file, why do they need to download something specific?
whatever. i'm the only person on this thread who makes any sense. I'm tired of trying to convince the unwashed masses of their follies.
yes but oppo doesn't sell a google phone with play store etc. if you sell a google phone with play store etc, you can't sell a stock android phone. THIS IS THE POINT
i feel like i'm taking crazy pills. the point is you can't sell a google phone and a non-google android phone.
the difference is for whatever reason many people are on phone plans where they get a "free" new phone every two years. so they regularly get new phones even if the old phone is still good. I'm getting off this treadmill now that freedompop supports iphone 5.
not really. laptops have a sleep mode, but it is a zombie state. when you waken it from sleep, it spins everything up, connects to the internet, download email, etc. on an ipad it's always connected and always grabbing email. in fact it will notify you when new messages come in, as opposed to a lappie that can't notify you like that. an exception is the retina mac, which is always on and connected to the internet. burrrrrrn
are there any manufacturers who make google android and non-google android like kindle? or any major manufacturers that sell cyanogen or other distros already installed? nope and nope.
and maybe they should? this is an unprecedented case in the history of world computers or technology. who is to say what the right thing is?
I think the issue is a little more different than you suggest. ms made a patch for win 2008 anyway. can you imagine if ms decided not to release it and there was xp havocs from a viruss? there would be horrible press.
inescapable fact about (4g) tablet is that they always have internet access. another inescapable fact is that they are always-on, rather than needing to boot up every time. these are two examples of things the iPad can do but computers cannot do.
They can develop and product based on Android and load it with whatever they want - Windows Store, Ovi Store, etc - and call it anything but Android and Google won't care - even if they also develop products based on Android that are fully Android certified which they do call Android.
the whole crux of this issue as stated in tfs and tfa is that google forces mfrs to do one or the other, but not both!!!!
yes but if you're a provider trying to compete against another company the fast lane might be a good value if it gets you a leg up. of course they'll buy.
that's the whole point. does sammy make a cyanogen phone? nope. Does HTC? Does Moto? nope. because according to the google agreement the manufacturers can't build any non-google android phones. similarly, they can't explore new phone strategies, like a phone that was partly subsidized by the carrier or ad supported. they can only do the one thing that google tells them to do, and that's monopolistic.
think of it this way. You know all the crapware that comes with PCs? MS can't bar the OEMs from including the crapware, because of the monopoly thing. basically, the mfrs here are complaining because they can't include crapware.
the problem is, they won't be selling the fast lanes to consumers, they'll be selling them to providers. like netflix and youtube. so prices will continue to go up for services, and the consumers (us) won't connect the dots.
fine, not the OHA, the MADA. If you want to make a single phone with google apps then all your phones have to be google phones. also, you have to be 100% google on a phone, you can't switch google search for bing or whoever.
basically it means that manufacturers can't include crapware on their phones, which makes for better user experience in my opinion but it's wrong to force everybody to do it. there's room in the market for cheap crapware phones and premium phones.
why should I have to pay a premium for my android phone? jk, jk I have an iphone
I love it! Mod parent up, +1 informative and on-topic. Although -1 link to potentially dubious software, better to do the mods yourself. Also -1 crazy person bold and caps.
I thought you were the same poster as the original poster. nm, carry on.
a requirement for joining the OHA is that a manufacturer can't make any non-OHA phones. lawsuit is arguing that manufacturers can't choose whether to join the OHA or not, because if they don't join they'll go out of business. so the manufacturers don't have a choice. google takes advantage of this by requiring google search as default, which raises the price of phones to consumers because mfrs can't do promotional deals with bing or whoever. this is the definition of illegal monopoly behavior.