Mandrake, as much as I really really love it, is slow. Slower than Linux really should be. I tried my old install (HD swap) on my new Athlon XP 2200+ 256MB DDR and it was slower than Windows XP is on the same box.:( Possibly a reinstall would show up some improvements.
Of course, I'm also a KDE guy, and nobody can say that ain't overhead. There comes a time when you have to ask if the overhead is worth it. In these cases, it is.... but I wouldn't run either of these on my P166 server.
Debian isn't vintage, and it runs fine. It's just a little leaner, and doesn't have any all of the hardware detection daemons running. By default, I mean.
1) Linux(tm) is fine for old computers. Mandrake, RedHat et al are NOT. You need to start at the bottom and work up with the minimal amount of things. The great thing about the newer distros are things like kudzu that PnP hardware for you. This is the first thing to nix in a low-end machine. My P166 32MB is running like a champ with a surprising amount of services on it. Of course, it IS Debian:)
2&3) Uh, see above. It is but it isn't. I agree with the sentiment. In fact, when I got my latest computer with XP, I still haven't reinstalled Mandrake on it!! I find the Win2k model has addressed many of the serious shortcomings of Win9x. I strongly disagree with your toleration of Win9x, I have had nothing but bad experience with it (I've used every release, quite extensively). The poor architecture shows up every time you use it. WinME was a nightmare.
4) It seems like you're confusing applications with services... applications don't slow down Linux (or Windows) in the least, but many daemons sure can... expecially monitoring daemons like hardware detection daemons. Same with Windows. Why have the Fax service running on a machine with no modem?
Probably the only other thing I *disagree* with in your post is "get work done" by not using Linux. I found it exactly the other way around, you can easily get work done, but the fun -- i.e. games, video & sound processing, you know, candy -- is Windows' strong point.
besides, OpenOffice.org & Mozilla run on both platforms!:)
Yup, it's enhanced CD. I used CDEX to extract it and it worked fine!
I don't think DMB is *entirely* against ripping/distribution. If you go to etree.org you'll see some of their their live shows are available for download. Apparently "Busted Stuff" owes its existence to "bootlegged" trading -- they did studio versions of the most popular trades.
I don't understand the "broken" list -- it includes DMB Busted Stuff. I bought this when it came out, ripped it and it worked fine. The second disc is a DVD, maybe that's what caused the problem...
I really must learn to park online like the rest of you...
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Sheesh, people... have any opf you ever written a custom accounting system? i.e. something the accountants want to completely redo every year because they forgot how their GL works? This is something you want in a high-level language, not in C++ or Befunge or whatever.
VB is made for in-house and custom apps, and it allows them to be done fairly quickly (though we did the aforementioned accounting system in Clipper... it was very refreshing.)
I'm hearing stuff like "line numbers" and "macro viruses"... what kind of reality do you live in? Maybe, just maybe there's a market for this? Personally, I can't wait for Kylix...
There have been a lot of comments about getting away, changing your line of thought... this can often help, but at times I have found this is a subtle subliminal hint that something's wrong with the coding. It could be that the thing is improperly designed, or the approach is wrong, or whatever.
Sometimes, if you scrap it (or put it on another burner) and start from scratch -- even test code helps -- you can reignite the brain. Do the thing completely differently in the second instance. It may be that all it does is restore your interest in the project, that counts, I think.
Personally the FREE part really matters **a lot** to me. You may have thousands of bucks to drop on software, but I don't. Do without or use Linux. Turns out Linux is also way more fun, and way more capable.
Or am I wrong? A hayseed, perhaps? Cheap, for certain...
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I never said the GUI was the problem...
:( Possibly a reinstall would show up some improvements.
Mandrake, as much as I really really love it, is slow. Slower than Linux really should be. I tried my old install (HD swap) on my new Athlon XP 2200+ 256MB DDR and it was slower than Windows XP is on the same box.
Of course, I'm also a KDE guy, and nobody can say that ain't overhead. There comes a time when you have to ask if the overhead is worth it. In these cases, it is.... but I wouldn't run either of these on my P166 server.
Debian isn't vintage, and it runs fine. It's just a little leaner, and doesn't have any all of the hardware detection daemons running. By default, I mean.
I agree with much of what you say...
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1) Linux(tm) is fine for old computers. Mandrake, RedHat et al are NOT. You need to start at the bottom and work up with the minimal amount of things. The great thing about the newer distros are things like kudzu that PnP hardware for you. This is the first thing to nix in a low-end machine. My P166 32MB is running like a champ with a surprising amount of services on it. Of course, it IS Debian
2&3) Uh, see above. It is but it isn't. I agree with the sentiment. In fact, when I got my latest computer with XP, I still haven't reinstalled Mandrake on it!! I find the Win2k model has addressed many of the serious shortcomings of Win9x. I strongly disagree with your toleration of Win9x, I have had nothing but bad experience with it (I've used every release, quite extensively). The poor architecture shows up every time you use it. WinME was a nightmare.
4) It seems like you're confusing applications with services... applications don't slow down Linux (or Windows) in the least, but many daemons sure can... expecially monitoring daemons like hardware detection daemons. Same with Windows. Why have the Fax service running on a machine with no modem?
Probably the only other thing I *disagree* with in your post is "get work done" by not using Linux. I found it exactly the other way around, you can easily get work done, but the fun -- i.e. games, video & sound processing, you know, candy -- is Windows' strong point.
besides, OpenOffice.org & Mozilla run on both platforms!
Exactly. Who ever says "I use Microsoft Windows" (for example)?
Though we know there wouldn't really be a Windows without Microsoft, it's somewhat similar to GNU/Linux.
Yup, it's enhanced CD. I used CDEX to extract it and it worked fine!
I don't think DMB is *entirely* against ripping/distribution. If you go to etree.org you'll see some of their their live shows are available for download. Apparently "Busted Stuff" owes its existence to "bootlegged" trading -- they did studio versions of the most popular trades.
Now that's a clever use of the popular medium.
I don't understand the "broken" list -- it includes DMB Busted Stuff. I bought this when it came out, ripped it and it worked fine. The second disc is a DVD, maybe that's what caused the problem...
Is it too late to patent Slashdot ID #3872???
I really must learn to park online like the rest of you...
Sheesh, people... have any opf you ever written a custom accounting system? i.e. something the accountants want to completely redo every year because they forgot how their GL works? This is something you want in a high-level language, not in C++ or Befunge or whatever.
VB is made for in-house and custom apps, and it allows them to be done fairly quickly (though we did the aforementioned accounting system in Clipper... it was very refreshing.)
I'm hearing stuff like "line numbers" and "macro viruses"... what kind of reality do you live in? Maybe, just maybe there's a market for this? Personally, I can't wait for Kylix...
You mean like this? It was great fun, but I think Freesco was better... it all fits on a floppy.
There have been a lot of comments about getting away, changing your line of thought... this can often help, but at times I have found this is a subtle subliminal hint that something's wrong with the coding. It could be that the thing is improperly designed, or the approach is wrong, or whatever.
Sometimes, if you scrap it (or put it on another burner) and start from scratch -- even test code helps -- you can reignite the brain. Do the thing completely differently in the second instance. It may be that all it does is restore your interest in the project, that counts, I think.
It has worked for me.
Personally the FREE part really matters **a lot** to me. You may have thousands of bucks to drop on software, but I don't. Do without or use Linux. Turns out Linux is also way more fun, and way more capable.
Or am I wrong? A hayseed, perhaps? Cheap, for certain...