C'mon, you really need a piece of paper from the government to prove... what?
It's about having the same rights under the law. If the government recognizes heterosexual marriages, it should recognize same sex marriages. Religious nonsense shouldn't prevent that from happening. Plus, in many states, there are still benefits to marriage you can't get elsewhere. It's also an emotional thing for many people.
I do think that marriage shouldn't be the *only* way to get those legal benefits, though.
I mean, would two non-gay roommates end up in a "common law" marriage now if they live together for long enough?
Common law marriages are idiotic to begin with. They shouldn't assume that just because you lived together with someone for X amount of time, that you're together.
Some of the laws never contemplated scenarios like these.
Gay marriage is about who should get tax payer dollars, or who pays less in taxes.
Gay marriage is about gay people having the same right to get married as anyone else. That includes any benefits that marriage might have, but marriage is also an emotional thing for a lot of people.
Abortion, Makes people feel bad, but in reality, dose not hurt anyone else.
If you mean that it's the person's choice to get one, then yes.
Inequality, most of it is made up thing so a politician to get elected by claiming other side is for inequality Racism, over used and often not true. The housing bust would not have been so bad if people were not calling Bush a racist for trying to end the subprime mortgages.
Sometimes it is indeed nonsense. But sometimes it's not.
People don't care about the more important issues because the media ignores it, because putting attention to them would hurt the Democrat party who they work for.
Partially correct. It would hurt *both* parties, since both parties are filled with freedom-hating scumbags who constantly trample over the constitution.
Libertarian leaning republicans? Who? Most of them support the NSA, the TSA, other nonsense that violates the constitution, or preemptive warfare. Same with democrats, of course. But where are these libertarian leaning republicans? They all seem like authoritarian scumbags that want to give corporations infinite power over the people to me.
Plenty of people in the government swear to defend the constitution, and yet that doesn't stop them from violating it. A real patriot would tell The People about the government's treacherous/immoral actions, as Snowden did.
Democrat friends are upset I voted Republican this election.
Republicans *and* Democrats are worthless fucking scumbags who want to infringe upon our fundamental liberties. Voting for either of them reveals that you don't care about the constitution or freedom, are actively opposed to both, and/or are profoundly ignorant.
The fact that most voters still vote for candidates from The One Party is nothing short of depressing. Both are responsible for the NSA's mass surveillance, the TSA, the Patriot Act, countless unjust wars, protest permits, anti-mask laws, anti-privacy policies, and countless other things that violate the constitution and/or people's fundamental liberties.
Generally speaking, the odds that the information will be used in your favor are quite high, while the odds that they will be used against you (used to spy on you) are quite low, which is why the features get implemented.
In the wake of the Snowden leaks, this sounds even more ridiculous. Even just general knowledge of history makes it seem completely absurd.
If it can be used against you, and you piss someone powerful off, it will be. Maybe you only care about yourself, though, and think that it doesn't matter if someone else is abused.
Biologically, their prefrontal cortex hasn't yet matured to adult levels of decision making and consequence consideration.
These "adult levels of decision making and consequence consideration" don't seem all too impressive, considering most of us adults are short-sighted idiots. Kids are too, but the different isn't truly phenomenal. Just having different priorities is not a bad thing.
Voters worry about irrelevant issues like abortion, gay marriage, inequality, and racism, while not worrying enough about the stuff that matters, like banking regulation, tax policy, nepotism, and crony capitalism.
Or the NSA's mass surveillance, the TSA, the Patriot Act, DUI checkpoints, free speech zones, and the countless other things our government does that violates the constitution.
But gay marriage, abortion, inequality, and racism are not irrelevant. They're important, but not the *only* important issues.
So you're saying if I'm not independently wealthy I should know my place and not aspire above my station, and instead leave the "gentleman careers" for the nobility?
Nope.
Oh, you were suggesting that I pay for your "real education" while being excluded from it.
Some people are already excluded. For instance, if they can't pass the tests the colleges/universities require them to pass, they won't be able to get in.
How about people who want an exclusive "real education" pay for it themselves, rather than demand that those with jobs subsidize their hobbies while being barred from partaking in them?
I don't see what your problem is. I even suggested loans and grants for trade schools. Really, this 'Everybody's gotta go to college' nonsense needs to die. If people are interested in education for its own sake, I see no reason why they shouldn't receive help if they need it. As a side benefit, they're usually more competent in their field than if they were only motivated by money.
I'm merely suggesting that people go somewhere that will better help them fulfill their goals. Half-assed trade schools give you the worst of both worlds.
And you already stated above you can't pay for it yourself.
I said nothing about myself, and I would never go to a college/university. Your straw men truly are endless.
It is unwise to insult people you are trying to get charity from.
I simply stated a fact. It's also unlikely that most people would even be aware of what I said.
And there you go again, repeating nonsense.
Apparently not, since businesses in general aren't doing so.
Businesses generally think in the short-term. The negative effects their actions have on society down the road are ignored in favor of profit.
Information outside your brain is just information that you'd otherwise have to remember. To say that they can compel you to help them get this information, and that doing so isn't a violation of the 5th amendment, is authoritarian nonsense. The information may well be incriminating, and I see no reason why government thugs should be able to force you to help them.
They can try to retrieve the information using other means, of course.
Did you think they just went, "Aww shucks!" every time they came across a locked door, or did you realize that if they needed to get in, they'd either find the keys or break it in?
I really don't think that's what's under discussion at all.
it does not protect any existing evidence (in a safe, in a file cabinet, on your computer, etc), and compelling a defendant to make potential evidence available for examination has been legit for a long time.
No. The spirit of the fifth amendment *does* protect you from that. Information that exists on paper, in phones, etc. would otherwise have to be remembered, so forcing you to help them find that information is a violation of the fifth amendment.
Traditionally, trade schools have been for more "hands on" jobs like a plumber or an electrician, while college has been for more theoretical ones like a geologist or a mathematician.
If you just want a job and are looking to do something theoretical, rethink your career choice.
Nothing stops you from starting a web forum for the purposes of education
Without the resources of a college or university. Where are you going to get all the equipment for, say, science courses? This is prohibitively expensive.
How about people who just want a job go elsewhere? We need to become much more selective about who we give loans and grants for colleges and universities.
but that simply goes to show that "real education" isn't worth its price for most people.
Most people are unintelligent, so that's not surprising.
Why provide training when that simply makes the employee more likely to get a better job elsewhere?
Because then you can ensure that they'll know exactly what they need to for their specific job, which applies even to people with pieces of paper. Because plenty of people who don't have pieces of paper can nonetheless do the job.
Education for education's sake, is something that has pretty much always ONLY been reserved for the wealthy
Nonsense. You can still offer grants; just be selective about it. What I care about is having places that offer true education.
Go to a trade school if you want a job. Offer loans and grants for these and create incentives for them to actually ensure that people do end up getting jobs.
Education. And education is not just so you can get a job, but so you can be a well-rounded human being and have an understanding of the universe around you.
People who just want a job should go to trade schools.
Most people aren't independently wealthy, and can go to academia just for academia and knowledge's sake....most people go with the intention of getting a degree that will open doors to them for making more money when they get out, than a HS diploma will allow for....no?
True, and then colleges turn into poor imitations of trade schools, making it more difficult for intelligent people to find a real education.
Perhaps employers should stop requiring you to have pieces of paper so often, and actually offer job training and test their potential employees. It used to be more common, and it still happens in the better work environments.
These idiots are trying to (and succeeding in some places) turn colleges and universities into half-assed job training facilities. Their purpose is (or was) education first. This just makes it more difficult for people who want an actual education to get one. People who just want a job should go to a trade school. Idiots who go to a college/university just because they want a job pollute the environment with their existence and cause colleges to slowly change into awful mockeries of real trade schools. And by requiring everyone to have a worthless piece of paper, as many idiotic, greedy employers do, they just cause even more of these idiots flock to colleges and universities.
Sure it should. It's utterly corrosive to all relationships.
That's just your own arbitrary nonsense talking. Whether or not something is "corrosive" is 100% subjective. There's nothing inherently wrong or corrosive about sleeping around.
With "protection" being an option over the whole time period.
And abstinence, something that many schools and people still try (and fail) to push, was also an option. What say you about that? Protection has a much better track record than trying to keep people from acting on basic biological impulses. Perhaps that's not perfect, but then again, education still isn't at an adequate level everywhere, so it can get even better.
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I see. He explained it like that, so I thought common law marriages might work like that in some places.
C'mon, you really need a piece of paper from the government to prove... what?
It's about having the same rights under the law. If the government recognizes heterosexual marriages, it should recognize same sex marriages. Religious nonsense shouldn't prevent that from happening. Plus, in many states, there are still benefits to marriage you can't get elsewhere. It's also an emotional thing for many people.
I do think that marriage shouldn't be the *only* way to get those legal benefits, though.
I mean, would two non-gay roommates end up in a "common law" marriage now if they live together for long enough?
Common law marriages are idiotic to begin with. They shouldn't assume that just because you lived together with someone for X amount of time, that you're together.
Some of the laws never contemplated scenarios like these.
Time to update them, then.
Gay marriage is about who should get tax payer dollars, or who pays less in taxes.
Gay marriage is about gay people having the same right to get married as anyone else. That includes any benefits that marriage might have, but marriage is also an emotional thing for a lot of people.
Abortion, Makes people feel bad, but in reality, dose not hurt anyone else.
If you mean that it's the person's choice to get one, then yes.
Inequality, most of it is made up thing so a politician to get elected by claiming other side is for inequality
Racism, over used and often not true. The housing bust would not have been so bad if people were not calling Bush a racist for trying to end the subprime mortgages.
Sometimes it is indeed nonsense. But sometimes it's not.
People don't care about the more important issues because the media ignores it, because putting attention to them would hurt the Democrat party who they work for.
Partially correct. It would hurt *both* parties, since both parties are filled with freedom-hating scumbags who constantly trample over the constitution.
Libertarian leaning republicans? Who? Most of them support the NSA, the TSA, other nonsense that violates the constitution, or preemptive warfare. Same with democrats, of course. But where are these libertarian leaning republicans? They all seem like authoritarian scumbags that want to give corporations infinite power over the people to me.
I'm not going to argue whether it was right or wrong
Why not? That's *extremely* important. If the law is unjust, then that is something to consider.
Plenty of people in the government swear to defend the constitution, and yet that doesn't stop them from violating it. A real patriot would tell The People about the government's treacherous/immoral actions, as Snowden did.
Democrat friends are upset I voted Republican this election.
Republicans *and* Democrats are worthless fucking scumbags who want to infringe upon our fundamental liberties. Voting for either of them reveals that you don't care about the constitution or freedom, are actively opposed to both, and/or are profoundly ignorant.
The fact that most voters still vote for candidates from The One Party is nothing short of depressing. Both are responsible for the NSA's mass surveillance, the TSA, the Patriot Act, countless unjust wars, protest permits, anti-mask laws, anti-privacy policies, and countless other things that violate the constitution and/or people's fundamental liberties.
Generally speaking, the odds that the information will be used in your favor are quite high, while the odds that they will be used against you (used to spy on you) are quite low, which is why the features get implemented.
In the wake of the Snowden leaks, this sounds even more ridiculous. Even just general knowledge of history makes it seem completely absurd.
If it can be used against you, and you piss someone powerful off, it will be. Maybe you only care about yourself, though, and think that it doesn't matter if someone else is abused.
Don't like Facebook data mining your life? Don't participate in what is currently the main mode of group organisation for a lot of social groups.
If you use Facebook, you're an incurable moron.
Sorry, where's the government forcing us to have cameras in our house?
Nowhere yet, but they'll surely ignore the constitution and ask the companies to hand over all their data. You know this will happen.
or a bored contractor at the NSA finding out doesn't bother them
So much for the US constitution, huh? 'Land of the free and the home of the brave' my ass.
Biologically, their prefrontal cortex hasn't yet matured to adult levels of decision making and consequence consideration.
These "adult levels of decision making and consequence consideration" don't seem all too impressive, considering most of us adults are short-sighted idiots. Kids are too, but the different isn't truly phenomenal. Just having different priorities is not a bad thing.
Voters worry about irrelevant issues like abortion, gay marriage, inequality, and racism, while not worrying enough about the stuff that matters, like banking regulation, tax policy, nepotism, and crony capitalism.
Or the NSA's mass surveillance, the TSA, the Patriot Act, DUI checkpoints, free speech zones, and the countless other things our government does that violates the constitution.
But gay marriage, abortion, inequality, and racism are not irrelevant. They're important, but not the *only* important issues.
Nope, because rich people don't necessarily care about real education either.
So you're saying if I'm not independently wealthy I should know my place and not aspire above my station, and instead leave the "gentleman careers" for the nobility?
Nope.
Oh, you were suggesting that I pay for your "real education" while being excluded from it.
Some people are already excluded. For instance, if they can't pass the tests the colleges/universities require them to pass, they won't be able to get in.
How about people who want an exclusive "real education" pay for it themselves, rather than demand that those with jobs subsidize their hobbies while being barred from partaking in them?
I don't see what your problem is. I even suggested loans and grants for trade schools. Really, this 'Everybody's gotta go to college' nonsense needs to die. If people are interested in education for its own sake, I see no reason why they shouldn't receive help if they need it. As a side benefit, they're usually more competent in their field than if they were only motivated by money.
I'm merely suggesting that people go somewhere that will better help them fulfill their goals. Half-assed trade schools give you the worst of both worlds.
And you already stated above you can't pay for it yourself.
I said nothing about myself, and I would never go to a college/university. Your straw men truly are endless.
It is unwise to insult people you are trying to get charity from.
I simply stated a fact. It's also unlikely that most people would even be aware of what I said.
And there you go again, repeating nonsense.
Apparently not, since businesses in general aren't doing so.
Businesses generally think in the short-term. The negative effects their actions have on society down the road are ignored in favor of profit.
Information outside your brain is just information that you'd otherwise have to remember. To say that they can compel you to help them get this information, and that doing so isn't a violation of the 5th amendment, is authoritarian nonsense. The information may well be incriminating, and I see no reason why government thugs should be able to force you to help them.
They can try to retrieve the information using other means, of course.
Did you think they just went, "Aww shucks!" every time they came across a locked door, or did you realize that if they needed to get in, they'd either find the keys or break it in?
I really don't think that's what's under discussion at all.
it does not protect any existing evidence (in a safe, in a file cabinet, on your computer, etc), and compelling a defendant to make potential evidence available for examination has been legit for a long time.
No. The spirit of the fifth amendment *does* protect you from that. Information that exists on paper, in phones, etc. would otherwise have to be remembered, so forcing you to help them find that information is a violation of the fifth amendment.
You're not the one with the power, nor the one who creates the laws. Anything can be used to harass you and destroy your life.
Traditionally, trade schools have been for more "hands on" jobs like a plumber or an electrician, while college has been for more theoretical ones like a geologist or a mathematician.
If you just want a job and are looking to do something theoretical, rethink your career choice.
Nothing stops you from starting a web forum for the purposes of education
Without the resources of a college or university. Where are you going to get all the equipment for, say, science courses? This is prohibitively expensive.
How about people who just want a job go elsewhere? We need to become much more selective about who we give loans and grants for colleges and universities.
but that simply goes to show that "real education" isn't worth its price for most people.
Most people are unintelligent, so that's not surprising.
Why provide training when that simply makes the employee more likely to get a better job elsewhere?
Because then you can ensure that they'll know exactly what they need to for their specific job, which applies even to people with pieces of paper. Because plenty of people who don't have pieces of paper can nonetheless do the job.
Education for education's sake, is something that has pretty much always ONLY been reserved for the wealthy
Nonsense. You can still offer grants; just be selective about it. What I care about is having places that offer true education.
Go to a trade school if you want a job. Offer loans and grants for these and create incentives for them to actually ensure that people do end up getting jobs.
Because society doesn't need access to education, right?
Most people shouldn't go to college/university. So at the very least, we need to be more selective about who we hand out loans to.
Why else would you go to college?
Education. And education is not just so you can get a job, but so you can be a well-rounded human being and have an understanding of the universe around you.
People who just want a job should go to trade schools.
Most people aren't independently wealthy, and can go to academia just for academia and knowledge's sake....most people go with the intention of getting a degree that will open doors to them for making more money when they get out, than a HS diploma will allow for....no?
True, and then colleges turn into poor imitations of trade schools, making it more difficult for intelligent people to find a real education.
Perhaps employers should stop requiring you to have pieces of paper so often, and actually offer job training and test their potential employees. It used to be more common, and it still happens in the better work environments.
These idiots are trying to (and succeeding in some places) turn colleges and universities into half-assed job training facilities. Their purpose is (or was) education first. This just makes it more difficult for people who want an actual education to get one. People who just want a job should go to a trade school. Idiots who go to a college/university just because they want a job pollute the environment with their existence and cause colleges to slowly change into awful mockeries of real trade schools. And by requiring everyone to have a worthless piece of paper, as many idiotic, greedy employers do, they just cause even more of these idiots flock to colleges and universities.
Sure it should. It's utterly corrosive to all relationships.
That's just your own arbitrary nonsense talking. Whether or not something is "corrosive" is 100% subjective. There's nothing inherently wrong or corrosive about sleeping around.
With "protection" being an option over the whole time period.
And abstinence, something that many schools and people still try (and fail) to push, was also an option. What say you about that? Protection has a much better track record than trying to keep people from acting on basic biological impulses. Perhaps that's not perfect, but then again, education still isn't at an adequate level everywhere, so it can get even better.