I think you need to look at why the women aren't interested in tech. There is still a very large nature vs. nurture question there which the "more free" societies may not yet have addressed.
I am embedded in tech communities. I can tell you for sure that some have a 100:1 men:women ratio and close to that in caucasian to anything else, and there is continuing need for improvement.
I would like to know where all of these anti-discrimination activists were when Martin Luther King led a march on Washington. And more modern iterations of the same thing. Were they fighting the fascists, or were they the fascists themselves?
I am still not getting that the proponents of this nonsense are real anti-discrimination activists at all. Some of them are self-deceiving, some know better.
Maybe the problem in communicating here is that people don't understand that LLVM is an Open Source project. These folks are volunteers who have a non-profit organization that gives away software. There is no employment. The organization which provides the trainee will pay the trainee.
Nothing about the position in question violates those rules. There isn't really an "applicant pool", it's an Open Source project run by volunteers. It's perfectly fine for them to take on a funded intern chosen from a disadvantaged community.
I am confident that your kid can do whatever she wants. The problem is that I need 100,000 more like her. And some number of those kids are perfectly capable of the job, but have impostor syndrome or some other deficit in self confidence, etc. That is not a racial issue, but on top of everything else it keeps them from getting the employment they deserve.
They are more likely to lose their 501(c)3 status if the do not run an affirmative action program. See the relevant language in the Civil Rights act here.
Note that the US Government's directions on how to operate an affirmative action program are here. People who tell you it's prohibited are distorting a little snippet of the law to deceive you.
I have dealt with many Islamics in the work place and none of them ever seemed to have a problem with my obvious Jewish origin.
If you are Islamic and think women are property or that Jews are anathema - and let's keep in mind that there are many different flavors of Islam and that most of the people we meet in the US do not think this, you'd better keep it to yourself.
I declined to participate in a project in Quatar, simply because they have messy rules about Jews on their airlines.
Well, the law supports my performing affirmative action in my company's employment, so I'm going to go on hiring folks who need a lift up, and feeling good about it.
I don't think I was having any problem with treating people as individuals. I was however having a problem with various sorts of bigots and haters who didn't like the fact that I was going to hire women and black people and maybe someone gay or someone who's gone through a gender change, if it happened that there weren't very many people like that already in the company. I really have met people who objected to that. I made sure not to use them on projects or in general to encourage them at work. Eventually most of them found their way out of the company. I definitely treated them as individuals through every moment of that.
Funny, the guy who got drunk and ran into the back of my car while I had been stopped at a traffic light - he thought exactly that. It was definitely much more efficient to drive home right away from the bar, and sober up while he was asleep. The cops and the folks at his insurance company didn't seem to buy his "efficiency" argument.
It's really easy to say you're against discrimination in any form when that discrimination has put you on top and now somebody else is trying to rectify the situation. Remember this is about putting exactly one gender or race different person on the LLVM project. Maybe he should have been out objecting to the conditions that made the project predominantly white, male, and purportedly cis-gendered. Although of course some of that started before he was born. Objecting to someone attempting to solve the problem now certainly doesn't put him in the right.
It's called affirmative action. And we probably need about another century of it if we are to balance out all of the discrimination that has led to the obvious continuing gender and racial imbalance in technology employment.
I am involved in a cubesat program, digital communications, and a digital voice codec. All Open Source. There is no reason for young people to be disinterested in these. Not wanting to ragchew with some guy about his gall bladder, that I can understand.
If I meant to be insincere, I would have made some comment about your opinion being based on pathology. Needing meds and being argumentative as a symptom can't be fun.
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Well it turns out the trainees aren't actually paid. There's a travel stipend.
I think you need to look at why the women aren't interested in tech. There is still a very large nature vs. nurture question there which the "more free" societies may not yet have addressed.
I am embedded in tech communities. I can tell you for sure that some have a 100:1 men:women ratio and close to that in caucasian to anything else, and there is continuing need for improvement.
I would like to know where all of these anti-discrimination activists were when Martin Luther King led a march on Washington. And more modern iterations of the same thing. Were they fighting the fascists, or were they the fascists themselves?
I am still not getting that the proponents of this nonsense are real anti-discrimination activists at all. Some of them are self-deceiving, some know better.
Nope. It's not even employment. There's a travel stipend.
Maybe the problem in communicating here is that people don't understand that LLVM is an Open Source project. These folks are volunteers who have a non-profit organization that gives away software. There is no employment. The organization which provides the trainee will pay the trainee.
Nothing about the position in question violates those rules. There isn't really an "applicant pool", it's an Open Source project run by volunteers. It's perfectly fine for them to take on a funded intern chosen from a disadvantaged community.
I am confident that your kid can do whatever she wants. The problem is that I need 100,000 more like her. And some number of those kids are perfectly capable of the job, but have impostor syndrome or some other deficit in self confidence, etc. That is not a racial issue, but on top of everything else it keeps them from getting the employment they deserve.
They are more likely to lose their 501(c)3 status if the do not run an affirmative action program. See the relevant language in the Civil Rights act here.
Note that the US Government's directions on how to operate an affirmative action program are here. People who tell you it's prohibited are distorting a little snippet of the law to deceive you.
You're looking for this: Part 1608 - Affirmative Action Appropriate Under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as amended.
To say that this is a pretty well known piece of employment law would be an understatement.
I have dealt with many Islamics in the work place and none of them ever seemed to have a problem with my obvious Jewish origin.
If you are Islamic and think women are property or that Jews are anathema - and let's keep in mind that there are many different flavors of Islam and that most of the people we meet in the US do not think this, you'd better keep it to yourself.
I declined to participate in a project in Quatar, simply because they have messy rules about Jews on their airlines.
Gosh. That's sophomoric.
Actually, the bigots and haters don't last long under my employ.
Because they aren't picking equality. They are preserving their own entrenchment.
Well, the law supports my performing affirmative action in my company's employment, so I'm going to go on hiring folks who need a lift up, and feeling good about it.
I don't think I was having any problem with treating people as individuals. I was however having a problem with various sorts of bigots and haters who didn't like the fact that I was going to hire women and black people and maybe someone gay or someone who's gone through a gender change, if it happened that there weren't very many people like that already in the company. I really have met people who objected to that. I made sure not to use them on projects or in general to encourage them at work. Eventually most of them found their way out of the company. I definitely treated them as individuals through every moment of that.
Funny, the guy who got drunk and ran into the back of my car while I had been stopped at a traffic light - he thought exactly that. It was definitely much more efficient to drive home right away from the bar, and sober up while he was asleep. The cops and the folks at his insurance company didn't seem to buy his "efficiency" argument.
It's really easy to say you're against discrimination in any form when that discrimination has put you on top and now somebody else is trying to rectify the situation. Remember this is about putting exactly one gender or race different person on the LLVM project. Maybe he should have been out objecting to the conditions that made the project predominantly white, male, and purportedly cis-gendered. Although of course some of that started before he was born. Objecting to someone attempting to solve the problem now certainly doesn't put him in the right.
It's called affirmative action. And we probably need about another century of it if we are to balance out all of the discrimination that has led to the obvious continuing gender and racial imbalance in technology employment.
Goodness gracious. That's not just a Hawaiian shirt, it really makes my point.
Actually, I don't believe that's true. Read this.
We just need 100,000 more women like them.
I am involved in a cubesat program, digital communications, and a digital voice codec. All Open Source. There is no reason for young people to be disinterested in these. Not wanting to ragchew with some guy about his gall bladder, that I can understand.
Obviously, attempting to hire one intern who wasn't the same gender, orientation, or color as everyone else was an exhibition of great prejudice!
You must be lots of fun at parties. Do you get invited to any? :-)
If I meant to be insincere, I would have made some comment about your opinion being based on pathology. Needing meds and being argumentative as a symptom can't be fun.