Wow, so that one datapoint completely disproves what I was saying!
Actually, yes. You claimed there was no way the OS could run old binaries, and I disproved your claim with evidence that old binaries do run.
I can assure you that there is NO FUCKING WAY that the OS runs the old binaries flawlessly!
No.
I was talking about the apps I worked on as a Win32 developer. I said that "there is NO FUCKING WAY that the OS runs the old binaries". Note the word "the" - meaning the specific apps I was talking about. I never said that the OS runs NO old binaries, just that the binaries we had didn't run without alteration between OS revisions.
If I'd meant what you claim I said, I'd have said "there is NO FUCKING WAY that the OS runs old binaries" - which I didn't say.
Which is why what you said has no relevance to my claim - which clearly, you didn't understand in the first place.
Wow, so that one datapoint completely disproves what I was saying!
Some old binaries work. That doesn't negate anything I said about developing apps to work across Win32 versions. Civ1 probably works well because it was written to use the system GUI support directly rather than doing anything funky.
I have dozens of apps that no longer work (Mechwarrior2 for Win95 is my most mourned OS-upgrade casualty)
Utter BS. I worked for a couple of years developing Win32 apps. We supported everything from 95 through to XP and I can assure you that there is NO FUCKING WAY that the OS runs the old binaries flawlessly!
The code is riddled with conditional paths for different OS versions. Testing across windows versions was a nightmare.
The US will be insignificant in 50 years (the EU is a bigger economy now and China will eclipse you). The rest of the world will be laughing their asses of at the hubris of self-righteous nationalists like you.
The US ranks behind several other countries in terms of freedom of the press and corruption, but don't let that interrupt your nationalistic delusions of superiority.
What serious patent concern? Please point one out. Please also point out why it doesn't equally apply to Java. Because Microsoft created.NET and not Java, you tool. And because removing patent-encumbered code was a major part of the preparation for GPL'ing Java you ill-informed FUD spewing troll.
Who cares? There's already way better stuff in Java right now. Why recreate a lop-sided hexagon instead of using the wheel already provided by Sun / IBM et al?
We already have Linux hopelessly divided with Gnome vs KDE, why add Mono vs Java as well?
Java is superior technology NOW. Java is GPL'd and non patent encumbered NOW. Mono is a retrograde step.
Java classes are second class citizens in Javascript and Groovy is compilable unlike Beanshell (the bit about the same object model as Java), so they have a point.
This type of aggrandizement and posturing is typical of the Groovy community. See a recently derailed EclipseZone thread. Some sample Groovy-speak:
Groovy is unique in its ability to integrate with Java at the syntax, object model and API level.
Vague platitudes and drivel. Meanwhile they can't even get a simple definition of "closure" right, to say nothing of a parser that doesn't make Perl's interpreter look like a Scheme reference implementation.
uh, maybe you're just a bit slow then, because that sentance made perfect sense. It's saying that Groovy has similar syntax to java, uses the same APIs and shares the same object model within the JVM.
What part of that was confusing to you? Not only was that perfectly clear, it was also quite relevant to Java programmers (and no, I don't use Groovy at all)
This *isn't* a random act of charity. The Commerce Commission has started an investigation into Telecom for misleading advertising. This is a preemptive act to stave off harsher penalties.
Telecom have severely retarded internet growth in NZ.
No economic system solves the problem of stupid people. Ultimately, you have to choose to dump these people and let their own stupidity kill them off, or suck up the cost of supporting them. If you think the problem is being "socialist" then you've let dogma take you for a walk down the garden path. This is an issue of human nature, my friend, not economics.
I'm reminded that Adam Smith himself said that you judge a society by how it treats its weakest.
There has been a pathetic anti-Sun and anti-Java brigade at/. for ages and the only thing it is consistent about is incorrectly announcing the death of Sun and Java.
They need to grow up and realise that Java solves problems for real IT people, even if it isn't 100% geek-tastic in whatever special way the/. crowd would like it to be.
All of those structures you mentioned are part of the Collections API, which is clearly the equivallent of the STL having exactly the same purpose. Noone says the STL is a bad idea (badly implemented, maybe) and Collections is likewise not a bad idea.
Christ, I can't believe I'm having to post on/. to say that having the right data structure for the job is a good idea- I thought that was fairly fundamental. What are they teaching you lot these days?
Excellent post. I'm very much pro-science, but my response was very much as yours was: these "refutations" do not carry the logical weight that the article implies that they do.
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WTF? Sun wants to pay OSS DEVELOPERS and you see that as Sun being evil?
You rabid Sun haters are unbelievable.
Actually, yes. You claimed there was no way the OS could run old binaries, and I disproved your claim with evidence that old binaries do run.
No.I was talking about the apps I worked on as a Win32 developer. I said that "there is NO FUCKING WAY that the OS runs the old binaries". Note the word "the" - meaning the specific apps I was talking about. I never said that the OS runs NO old binaries, just that the binaries we had didn't run without alteration between OS revisions.
If I'd meant what you claim I said, I'd have said "there is NO FUCKING WAY that the OS runs old binaries" - which I didn't say.
Which is why what you said has no relevance to my claim - which clearly, you didn't understand in the first place.
*sigh*
Go look up the term "polemic"
Wow, so that one datapoint completely disproves what I was saying!
Some old binaries work. That doesn't negate anything I said about developing apps to work across Win32 versions. Civ1 probably works well because it was written to use the system GUI support directly rather than doing anything funky.
I have dozens of apps that no longer work (Mechwarrior2 for Win95 is my most mourned OS-upgrade casualty)
Utter BS. I worked for a couple of years developing Win32 apps. We supported everything from 95 through to XP and I can assure you that there is NO FUCKING WAY that the OS runs the old binaries flawlessly!
The code is riddled with conditional paths for different OS versions. Testing across windows versions was a nightmare.
I suggest it's you who is being criminally thick.
The US will be insignificant in 50 years (the EU is a bigger economy now and China will eclipse you). The rest of the world will be laughing their asses of at the hubris of self-righteous nationalists like you.
Yeah. Right. In Switzerland they hang, draw and quarter people who wave fake guns about.
Cause, you know, the US is the ONLY place in the world where there's any common sense.
Looney.
The US ranks behind several other countries in terms of freedom of the press and corruption, but don't let that interrupt your nationalistic delusions of superiority.
Well argued. That was the most useful discussion on /. I've read for years.
This is a fucking troll. How the fuck did it get moderated Insightful?
The factual errors *should* be obvious to those using their mod points unless they are CLUELESS!
Who cares? There's already way better stuff in Java right now. Why recreate a lop-sided hexagon instead of using the wheel already provided by Sun / IBM et al?
We already have Linux hopelessly divided with Gnome vs KDE, why add Mono vs Java as well?
Java is superior technology NOW. Java is GPL'd and non patent encumbered NOW. Mono is a retrograde step.
Actually, no.
:o)
Blue Ray sales have been higher ranked than HD-DVD sales over their history at Amazon. In fact, HD-DVD has trended *well* below Blue Ray sales
But, then, you wouldn't be a fanboy if you let facts get in your way
...and none of those languages is syntactically like Java
Uh... no.
Java classes are second class citizens in Javascript and Groovy is compilable unlike Beanshell (the bit about the same object model as Java), so they have a point.
uh, maybe you're just a bit slow then, because that sentance made perfect sense. It's saying that Groovy has similar syntax to java, uses the same APIs and shares the same object model within the JVM.
What part of that was confusing to you? Not only was that perfectly clear, it was also quite relevant to Java programmers (and no, I don't use Groovy at all)
Ugh. Like Java this gets it all backwards. A string should know how to capitalize itself.
Strings in Java do know how to capitalise themselves you dick / troll.
eg:
myString.toUpperCase()
This *isn't* a random act of charity. The Commerce Commission has started an investigation into Telecom for misleading advertising. This is a preemptive act to stave off harsher penalties.
Telecom have severely retarded internet growth in NZ.
fair enough - when there are obvious steps that would improve the situation as you cite re: contractors, then that's fair to criticise.
No economic system solves the problem of stupid people. Ultimately, you have to choose to dump these people and let their own stupidity kill them off, or suck up the cost of supporting them. If you think the problem is being "socialist" then you've let dogma take you for a walk down the garden path. This is an issue of human nature, my friend, not economics.
I'm reminded that Adam Smith himself said that you judge a society by how it treats its weakest.
Ah! One person has abused the system, so they're all bludgers who we shouldn't help?
Amen, Brother :o)
/. for ages and the only thing it is consistent about is incorrectly announcing the death of Sun and Java.
/. crowd would like it to be.
There has been a pathetic anti-Sun and anti-Java brigade at
They need to grow up and realise that Java solves problems for real IT people, even if it isn't 100% geek-tastic in whatever special way the
All of those structures you mentioned are part of the Collections API, which is clearly the equivallent of the STL having exactly the same purpose. Noone says the STL is a bad idea (badly implemented, maybe) and Collections is likewise not a bad idea.
/. to say that having the right data structure for the job is a good idea- I thought that was fairly fundamental. What are they teaching you lot these days?
Christ, I can't believe I'm having to post on
WTF?
You may as well say the STL is bad because it gives you multiple data structures!
Only the basic array is part of the Java language, all the other structures are library based (exactly like C++ with STL!)
Talk about FUD
Excellent post. I'm very much pro-science, but my response was very much as yours was: these "refutations" do not carry the logical weight that the article implies that they do.