At least none of the European carriers I am familiar with charge for incoming calls or SMSs. If anyone tried that, the company would go tits up in a month, its premises would probably end up trashed by a riotous mob of angry clients and the owners would have to spend years in class-action court battles
Yes, but the arrangement has always been like that with European carriers (when not roaming), just as US carriers have always charged differently (AFAIK).
I think it's all down to what people are used to.
On a similar theme, I think it's significant that email spam has been a daily reality since most ordinary people got hold of email accounts. Where I live, SMS/text spam is still really quite rare. When people start being inconvenienced when using a service that was previously useful, I think they will make a big fuss.
I think it's largely to do with consumer expectation, and mobile phones are now a huge part of popular culture at least here in the UK.
Having said that, the younger end of the market might become desensitised to it because of stuff like this...
Amusing point (:-), but I think you have the key point.
I think there hasn't been a big crackdown on email spam because most people see it as an annoyance - Joe Users perhaps 'do their email' in one sitting, and delete the spam there and then.
I find that people tend to stop what they are doing to check their messages, because they tend to be significant, from family or friends.
I can imagine a huge groundswell of anger about SMS spam, and it will only take one idiot causing a pile-up on the freeway whilst checking a spurious message for the media to pick up on this and label the spammers a new pariah. (Of course it would be the fault of the driver - but it's the same principle as the media labelling the web evil, because it's 'all about pr0n and pipe bombs')
I haven't completely abandoned hope that things will pick up reasonably soon, though. I remember feeling the same way last Feb too. It can be quite seasonal, so we have to take that into account.
Note to self : this Autumn, try to get a bloody six-monther.
It is indeed a moot point; the system reliability is still an issue.
I recently built a system around a 1.3Ghz Athlon Thunderbird. If I do anything graphically/processor intensive (OK, games), within 10 mins the CPU eventually reaches 70c and the mobo overheat feature powercycles the box. The CPU fan, PSU fan and system fan seem to be running OK, and I'm not overclocking.
It's a shame in a way that TBL didn't retain some kind of ownership over the HTTP protocol...
Then the W3C would have been able to grant licences to browser vendors wanting to use it, and make standards compliance a condition of the licence being granted.
I use GoogleGroups for UseNet searches a lot (mainly as a reference for technical information) and the S/N ratio seems to be really good these days. I've got info from newsgroup searches that just haven't turned up on web searches...
Perhaps it's just the groups that I use.
I think Google have done a terrific job on the old Deja database (and that site was turning into a really crappy portal), and stuff like the spam filters really seem to work.
Anyone else with similar experences, or is the 'Usenet is crap' meme pretty widely held?
Can they really include something in the download (Java or JS, I assume) that detects whether an ad picture has been downloaded or not?
Hmm...
I guess they could cycle through document.images[..] in Javascript/JScript to check the existence/properties of each image element, and pop up a window if something was amiss...
Not sure what they could do if client-side scripting was disabled though. Other than perhaps checking the weblogs through a server script to see if an HTTP GET was made from your IP address to a particular ad object... sounds onerous.
IMHO, the reason is that Microsoft is trying to capture some more of the groupware market share for themselves. Traditionally, products like Lotus Notes have been able to use scripting in the (mail, but also general-purpose) client for workflow and other groupware applications.
The difference is that scripts in that environment have to carry the signature of script author, and the code can only be executed if that signature RSA ID is allowed within the Execution Control List of the users' client/mail programs. Each signature can also be granted up to 11 priveleges (such as ability to send mail, ability to access other databases - like the personal address book), refining the security model.
Someone else's idea, carelessly implemented. They have no concept of a sandbox.
But I have got a lot of use out of this Nokia gizmo.
It's about three years old, resembles a housebrick, and data connections are slow and relatively expensive.
Handy for tech stuff (often server admin) on the move, as it supports Telnet, FTP, HTTP, POP3, and SMTP. Just installed a VNC client on it too...;-)
Not incredibly practical, but sometimes bloody useful.
I don't know whether they're going to develop the phone much further, because models these days have to be about the size of a box of matches, come with sixty lurid snap-on covers, and have a gazillion annoying ring-tones...;-)
Yeah, that could happen - but many people play (at least part of) a song while it's downloading, and can abort the transfer in favour of another one if needed...
And unless record companies stop releasing CD singles, people are still going to rip songs to their MP3 collection in the traditional way.
As long as the ad-stripped songs are a more popular download that the ad-infested ones, you know which ones are going to dominate the search result sets.
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They know the ads can be stripped, but only by those who know and have the time to do it manually.
But the way songs propagate in places like Napster, wouldn't it only take a couple of people to do the editing?
You could have your search result set, and only choose the songs that someone put in their 'AdStripped' directory or whatever...
Haven't tried WAP, but I'm still having a lot of fun with this gizmo (also affectionately known as The Brick).
A friend sent me a link to a VNC client for it, which is amazingly cool for a 29k download! You still get HTTP, email and Telnet. There are newer models around at the moment, so there are some pretty good deals floating around at the moment (in the UK, certainly).
According to this history of hypertext doc, Doug Engelbart's system was developed by 1968. Ted Nelson apparently coined the term in '65.
Also CERL had a system called PLATO Notes (forerunner to Lotus Notes, my own shameful little habit) in development from 1973, released in '76. I think they implemented hyperlinks too.
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The scary thing would be if they moved to this model without any kind of opt-in.
There was a fuss here in the UK where what was essentially a change in the agreement appeared as a footnote on the monthly bill.
At least none of the European carriers I am familiar with charge for incoming calls or SMSs. If anyone tried that, the company would go tits up in a month, its premises would probably end up trashed by a riotous mob of angry clients and the owners would have to spend years in class-action court battles
Yes, but the arrangement has always been like that with European carriers (when not roaming), just as US carriers have always charged differently (AFAIK).
I think it's all down to what people are used to.
On a similar theme, I think it's significant that email spam has been a daily reality since most ordinary people got hold of email accounts. Where I live, SMS/text spam is still really quite rare. When people start being inconvenienced when using a service that was previously useful, I think they will make a big fuss.
I think it's largely to do with consumer expectation, and mobile phones are now a huge part of popular culture at least here in the UK.
Having said that, the younger end of the market might become desensitised to it because of stuff like this...
Amusing point (:-), but I think you have the key point.
I think there hasn't been a big crackdown on email spam because most people see it as an annoyance - Joe Users perhaps 'do their email' in one sitting, and delete the spam there and then.
I find that people tend to stop what they are doing to check their messages, because they tend to be significant, from family or friends.
I can imagine a huge groundswell of anger about SMS spam, and it will only take one idiot causing a pile-up on the freeway whilst checking a spurious message for the media to pick up on this and label the spammers a new pariah.
(Of course it would be the fault of the driver - but it's the same principle as the media labelling the web evil, because it's 'all about pr0n and pipe bombs')
Why should I pay for the privelege of some AC saying things about my mother???!!!
;-p
Basically, as I understand it, it allows closer to 100% use of your CPU at any time.
;-)
Wow, I hope AMD run with this kind of idea as well.
Who'll need central heating in their home anymore?
Congratulations!
Are we all invited to the batchelor party?
Too true...
I haven't completely abandoned hope that things will pick up reasonably soon, though. I remember feeling the same way last Feb too. It can be quite seasonal, so we have to take that into account.
Note to self : this Autumn, try to get a bloody six-monther.
...and the ad says it's on a new engine already.... ;-)
It is indeed a moot point; the system reliability is still an issue.
I recently built a system around a 1.3Ghz Athlon Thunderbird. If I do anything graphically/processor intensive (OK, games), within 10 mins the CPU eventually reaches 70c and the mobo overheat feature powercycles the box. The CPU fan, PSU fan and system fan seem to be running OK, and I'm not overclocking.
Guess it's Intel next time...
You're completely right...
:-)
I guess that's where 'stealth patenting' comes in...?
It's a shame in a way that TBL didn't retain some kind of ownership over the HTTP protocol...
Then the W3C would have been able to grant licences to browser vendors wanting to use it, and make standards compliance a condition of the licence being granted.
Just a thought...
Have you tried the Google translator?
Seems to work fine for me...
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I have to disagree with this...
I use GoogleGroups for UseNet searches a lot (mainly as a reference for technical information) and the S/N ratio seems to be really good these days. I've got info from newsgroup searches that just haven't turned up on web searches...
Perhaps it's just the groups that I use.
I think Google have done a terrific job on the old Deja database (and that site was turning into a really crappy portal), and stuff like the spam filters really seem to work.
Anyone else with similar experences, or is the 'Usenet is crap' meme pretty widely held?
Can they really include something in the download (Java or JS, I assume) that detects whether an ad picture has been downloaded or not?
Hmm...
I guess they could cycle through document.images[..] in Javascript/JScript to check the existence/properties of each image element, and pop up a window if something was amiss...
Not sure what they could do if client-side scripting was disabled though. Other than perhaps checking the weblogs through a server script to see if an HTTP GET was made from your IP address to a particular ad object... sounds onerous.
From the article, sounds like the former?
No, there's a Lotus Domino server for Linux.
I think he's referring to the Notes client.
A little sloppily though...
IIRC, Steve Gibson is not the author of ZoneAlarm, and doesn't work for Zone Labs.
IMHO, the reason is that Microsoft is trying to capture some more of the groupware market share for themselves. Traditionally, products like Lotus Notes have been able to use scripting in the (mail, but also general-purpose) client for workflow and other groupware applications.
The difference is that scripts in that environment have to carry the signature of script author, and the code can only be executed if that signature RSA ID is allowed within the Execution Control List of the users' client/mail programs. Each signature can also be granted up to 11 priveleges (such as ability to send mail, ability to access other databases - like the personal address book), refining the security model.
Someone else's idea, carelessly implemented.
They have no concept of a sandbox.
It's a FRIGGIN WRISTWATCH.
;-)
On the screenshots, it doesn't actually display the time anywhere...
Not the point, I know..
Couldn't agree more about WAP...
;-)
;-)
But I have got a lot of use out of this Nokia gizmo.
It's about three years old, resembles a housebrick, and data connections are slow and relatively expensive.
Handy for tech stuff (often server admin) on the move, as it supports Telnet, FTP, HTTP, POP3, and SMTP. Just installed a VNC client on it too...
Not incredibly practical, but sometimes bloody useful.
I don't know whether they're going to develop the phone much further, because models these days have to be about the size of a box of matches, come with sixty lurid snap-on covers, and have a gazillion annoying ring-tones...
Yeah, that could happen - but many people play (at least part of) a song while it's downloading, and can abort the transfer in favour of another one if needed...
And unless record companies stop releasing CD singles, people are still going to rip songs to their MP3 collection in the traditional way.
As long as the ad-stripped songs are a more popular download that the ad-infested ones, you know which ones are going to dominate the search result sets.
They know the ads can be stripped, but only by those who know and have the time to do it manually.
But the way songs propagate in places like Napster, wouldn't it only take a couple of people to do the editing?
You could have your search result set, and only choose the songs that someone put in their 'AdStripped' directory or whatever...
Haven't tried WAP, but I'm still having a lot of fun with this gizmo (also affectionately known as The Brick).
A friend sent me a link to a VNC client for it, which is amazingly cool for a 29k download!
You still get HTTP, email and Telnet. There are newer models around at the moment, so there are some pretty good deals floating around at the moment (in the UK, certainly).
Nah, Tim Berners-Lee is a Brit.
You're right about HTTP - developed at CERN, Switzerland, wasn't it?
You can get that from netcraft.
According to this history of hypertext doc, Doug Engelbart's system was developed by 1968. Ted Nelson apparently coined the term in '65.
Also CERL had a system called PLATO Notes (forerunner to Lotus Notes, my own shameful little habit) in development from 1973, released in '76.
I think they implemented hyperlinks too.