I have to agree. The layman is now suspicious of MS. Just the other day I was reading about the new dictionary created by Microsoft, and one Critic stated that, if Microsoft put the same effort into this dictionary as they do in their software, then we can't expect much quality from the dictionary.
If I modify the BSD part of the code, I don't have to show it to anyone do I. (Forgive me I haven't read the BSD license in a while, but I never understand legal stuff anyway). But If I modify the GPL code, and deliver it, then I must include my changes.
So is there a middle ground? I mean, is there a license that says, if you touch my part of the code, you MUST release it, but if you include your own stand alone, you don't have to give up that. I know about the LGPL, but isn't that only applicable to libraries? Or can that be done with normal apps as well? If so, I think that is my preferred license!
I was trying to make some updates to my ethernet card, and remotely did an ifconfig on the card I was connected to. Something didn't work and I lost the connection.
Oh well, the machine is only twenty miles away, and I have to now take a trip. It was a good try though:)
Lesson: Don't remotely configure the ethernet card that you are connected to!
I called my stock broker (yes I actually have one) before the market open and asked to buy as soon as it opens and before it hits 60. Well he had about 10 minutes to do so and I'm still waiting to hear from him if he did.
I'm expecting that it will come back down to 40 (But not betting money on it:), when all those who have invested because it is a so called "internet stock" (although I know it isn't).
If Red Hat uses this new source of revenue to good use, I think they have a potential of being a $120 stock. But if the don't use it well, then they are going to have problems and that will be the time to sell.
God I wish I got "The Letter", I may have even qualified to buy!
And if you have this documented and follow it, then you are ISO Compliant, and you will have plenty of work because customers will be impressed with the ISO Certification.
If you can understand that subject line, then most likely you ain't getting any =)
-- Unfortunately I understand it! But I'm married and still take breaks to be with my wife:) I do my overtime work at home. One of the lucky ones I guess.
Everyone who received "The Letter" should try (if they can afford it) to by shares. Or wait until another vendor goes public (I'm looking into VA Linux). Even if you can only buy a small set of shares, you should.
Reason:
As pointed out in the article, the company has a responsibility to the shareholders. If those shareholders are hackers, then the responsibility is not only to make money, but mainly to provide a good open source solution and comply to standards. Since most hackers work better in a good open community.
I don't even believe that hackers would invest in the sole reason a to make money, otherwise the would already be investing. Since I see the problem of ETrade and hackers, I don't think that many hackers are investing. So it looks that hackers have another incentive to invest. So please invest something, I intend to (but I didn't receive "The Letter":( )
If you strongly believe in open source, then invest and become one of those investors that have input. It's like voting, although you only have one vote, you can make a difference. If a large amount of hackers invest then Red Hat and company, will stay with the interests of their shareholders which would be to benefit hackers.
Wow 182 post, I'd be suprise if anyone actually reads this.
Anyway, I just skimmed the comments and I didn't see anyone mention this (if you did, I'm sorry for being redundant). But is it a copyright infringement if I make a deep link with a book mark. I mean I'll just go directly to the location. Or is it just a problem if I make my bookmarks available publically.
Anyway I believe that ANYTHING that is published on the net is worthy of being pointed to by a link. If you don't want something linked to, then have users create accounts (free like NYT). Or have some sort of CGI script to point to the information that dynamically changes.
So much for writing this since I don't think I'll have a soul to read it:(
It IS a parents responsibility to raise their kids in the best morally way. Of course it is up to the parent to determine what those moral standards are.
When my kids reach sixteen, I may not have total control over them, but you can bet that I will make sure I have a strong influence on their decisions.
I've always noticed that I get the worse advice about raising children from those who don't have any. Watching a nephew a couple of days a week doesn't qualify you as a parent!
Only once people are allowed to make thier own decisions, regardless of age, will we be able to put this all behind us
I don't think I would let my three year old make many decisions by herself. Of course I do believe in letting them make their own mistakes, but I also have to try to make my two daughters grow up with respect and integrity.
Also the older you are the more likely you have a family and less likely to work the long hours and travel. I was one of these people who would work the 90 hour week, but once I had some kids, I don't work much more than 45 hours. I'm lucky to have a manager that loves kids and gives me a break when it comes to time with the family. But this is not usually the case with other companies and managers. The one good thing is that, at the moment, the supply of programmers is less than the demand.
I thought MacOS only runs on Apple stuff. Am I wrong?
If this is true, then Linux has the more difficult time of installing, because it has to handle different platforms, or if you are only talking about the x86 platform, it has to handle different setups, since different vendors put the machines together differently. This is not an easy task. How many different SCSI drives are there? How about laptops compared to desktops. I never had any problem installing Linux. XFree86 is a completely different matter, and I believe alot will be fixed by the time XFree86 4.0 comes out.
I'm sorry, but I'm tired of hearing about Corporate Execs saying we will go open source and everything will be better.
Open Source is a community. You don't just say "here, go do this" and everyone jumps up and does your work. Its been mentioned before, that programmers like to program on things they enjoy. If Adobe opens its source for the benefit of others and not just for themselves then you might get help.
Open Source works best when you both produce the code and the support. Others will send you bugs (and maybe if you're lucky at patch as well) so you product becomes better quality. And as the prime resource for the product, you will also be the prime supporter companies will choose. Thus, making Open Source a money maker. You can also market your product as something that will ALWAYS be supported because it IS open.
Warnock looks like he's trying to pillage the Open Source community. I always welcome Companies into this community, but at least for the right reasons. I know they are out to make money, but they must give back as well.
Actually I believe that IBM jumped on the Linux bandwagon to "Get Microsoft". I live in a community that is dominated by IBM. A buddy of mine that works at IBM showed me a 8 page report on how much they "hate" Bill Gates. They are not the suits displayed in "Pirates of Silicon Valley" anymore. They are actually like the folks at Apple now. After the fall of IBM, they reorginized and changed their whole attitude. Some people actually go to work in shorts!
I'm glad IBM has chosen Linux as the weopon against MS. This sould be a fun ride:)
You started from/. home page. Read the Audiohighway awarded patent on digital audio players article. Then went back to the/. homepage. Replied to the first article, which happen to be this one.
I think that post should be moderated down. Not because I disagree with the statement, but because of the way he/she chose to articulate his/her opinion. f*ck is not really proper here.
But you talk as though Linux is a corporation with your
until Linux brings in more money and then free-software developers will become history once they can afford to hire programmers and turn everything into propriatory
statement. It sounds as though there's some mysterious Linux Industry out there feeding off of the Free Software Foundation, and as soon as it gets its money, it will hire programmers and through away FSF.
1) Linux is under GNU GPL. GNU GPL is basically FSF. Can't become propriatory(sic).
2) Linux is an OS. As long as people are out there maintaining it (as Free), it will not be affected by any corporation.
It is the ones who are tired of programming in Windows that wants Linux as a Corporate OS. That way we can start enjoying our jobs because we can control it, and not worry about someone else's closed source bugs.
-- Most open source patches are workarounds for closed source bugs --
I understand what you mean, but I somewhat think the "Darwin Awards" are in order here. Mr. J will eventually shoot himself in the head with his arrogant remarks. I can't see how people will support someone that attacks another in such a childish way. Thus, Mr. J will not have the benefits of open source. But Mr. Hacker, if he stays in the game will get the support. I'm assuming that everything is under GPL, so that if Mr. J does actually make some good code, then Mr Hacker can benefit, and vise versa.
The evolution of Open Source is not really the more aggressive wins, but that the better/more stable product wins.
KDE and Gnome isn't what I call a fork. They are two tools that do basically the same thing but with different methodologies. But they are not a fork, because they were not a single product at one time. They are two independent products, like parallel lines, no stem of the fork. But what Open Source leads to is that IMHO you will see KDE and GNOME merging to work together more than falling apart. So the flame wars between the two are irrelevant.
If the two versions of P do fork, time will only merge them back to one.
When we have freedom of speech, there are those who abuse it. But the advantages largely outweigh the disadvantages. Unfortunately, the original P was stopped. I'd recommend Darwinism, since that is what makes Open Source / Free Software great. The arrogance that this Mr. J showed would eventually make his product obsolete. Anytime there is a question about the quality of the original project P. Its a comment of how to make project P better.
This happens, and we should use it for our advantage. I ask Mr. Hacker to be strong and try your best to ignore Mr. J. He will eventually fall out of existence, and you can become even greater.
Funny, after reading the article, I looked up "slashdot.com" and saw that it was taken. I was too late to post a comment about it since someone beat me to it. So I thought I would be smart and see if "slashdotdot.com" is taken. AND IT IS!!!
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Boy this guy must think he's one up from "slashdot.com":)
Obviously this guy is a visionary, I wonder what his views are today? Has he published any other documents?
If Sun and Novell actually listened, I think times would have been different. At the end he mentions "Linux is a win on the political front and a lose on the maturity front". I know linux was very immature back in 1993, and still needs to grow in some areas today. But it is improving with each release. It would have been nice to see Solaris under GNU. But now Sun missed out and we have Linux to work with. I've always said that "software is a service, not a product". This means that you pay to have something done (written). And you get to do what you want with it later. It seems that Larry McVoy could predict the future. This paper was better than ESR's Cathedral and the Bizarre.
I'm sorry, but yes "They are trying to make money". You think business wants to make just free software. I'm all for RMS and his views but I believe mainly that libraries and OS should be under LGPL because other tools use them and should have full benefit of them. But all I care about a user-end app is that it is Open Source. Even as a developer, I like to see how something works, but I don't just want to have it for free (as in beer not speech).
Let Open Source get into the business market. Then worry about Free Software. No proprietary business I know wants to go Free yet. Let them benefit from Open Source then test the waters of FSF.
Slashdot Mirror
I have to agree. The layman is now suspicious of MS. Just the other day I was reading about the new dictionary created by Microsoft, and one Critic stated that, if Microsoft put the same effort into this dictionary as they do in their software, then we can't expect much quality from the dictionary.
Question!
If I modify the BSD part of the code, I don't have to show it to anyone do I. (Forgive me I haven't read the BSD license in a while, but I never understand legal stuff anyway). But If I modify the GPL code, and deliver it, then I must include my changes.
So is there a middle ground? I mean, is there a license that says, if you touch my part of the code, you MUST release it, but if you include your own stand alone, you don't have to give up that. I know about the LGPL, but isn't that only applicable to libraries? Or can that be done with normal apps as well? If so, I think that is my preferred license!
I was trying to make some updates to my ethernet card, and remotely did an ifconfig on the card I was connected to. Something didn't work and I lost the connection.
Oh well, the machine is only twenty miles away, and I have to now take a trip. It was a good try though:)
Lesson: Don't remotely configure the ethernet card that you are connected to!
It worked once before, honest!
I called my stock broker (yes I actually have one) before the market open and asked to buy as soon as it opens and before it hits 60.
Well he had about 10 minutes to do so and I'm still waiting to hear from him if he did.
I'm expecting that it will come back down to 40 (But not betting money on it
If Red Hat uses this new source of revenue to good use, I think they have a potential of being a $120 stock. But if the don't use it well, then they are going to have problems and that will be the time to sell.
God I wish I got "The Letter", I may have even qualified to buy!
I just started using GIMP and I was looking for references. This is perfect!
Although I see that I may need more books for advance work, but I'm looking for something that is for the beginner.
If this book is a good startup book then please let me know!
And if you have this documented and follow it, then you are ISO Compliant, and you will have plenty of work because customers will be impressed with the ISO Certification.
Maybe God decided to get into. And succeeded in cracking the system.
So is God the winner?
If you can understand that subject line, then most likely you ain't getting any =)
:)
-- Unfortunately I understand it! But I'm married and still take breaks to be with my wife
I do my overtime work at home. One of the lucky ones I guess.
Everyone who received "The Letter" should try (if they can afford it) to by shares. Or wait until another vendor goes public (I'm looking into VA Linux). Even if you can only buy a small set of shares, you should.
:( )
:)
Reason:
As pointed out in the article, the company has a responsibility to the shareholders. If those shareholders are hackers, then the responsibility is not only to make money, but mainly to provide a good open source solution and comply to standards. Since most hackers work better in a good open community.
I don't even believe that hackers would invest in the sole reason a to make money, otherwise the would already be investing. Since I see the problem of ETrade and hackers, I don't think that many hackers are investing. So it looks that hackers have another incentive to invest. So please invest something, I intend to (but I didn't receive "The Letter"
If you strongly believe in open source, then invest and become one of those investors that have input. It's like voting, although you only have one vote, you can make a difference. If a large amount of hackers invest then Red Hat and company, will stay with the interests of their shareholders which would be to benefit hackers.
So go out and invest!!!!
Wow 182 post, I'd be suprise if anyone actually reads this.
Anyway, I just skimmed the comments and I didn't see anyone mention this (if you did, I'm sorry for being redundant). But is it a copyright infringement if I make a deep link with a book mark. I mean I'll just go directly to the location. Or is it just a problem if I make my bookmarks available publically.
Anyway I believe that ANYTHING that is published on the net is worthy of being pointed to by a link. If you don't want something linked to, then have users create accounts (free like NYT). Or have some sort of CGI script to point to the information that dynamically changes.
So much for writing this since I don't think I'll have a soul to read it
Are you a parent?
It IS a parents responsibility to raise their kids in the best morally way. Of course it is up to the parent to determine what those moral standards are.
When my kids reach sixteen, I may not have total control over them, but you can bet that I will make sure I have a strong influence on their decisions.
I've always noticed that I get the worse advice about raising children from those who don't have any. Watching a nephew a couple of days a week doesn't qualify you as a parent!
Only once people are allowed to make thier own decisions, regardless of age, will we be able to put this all behind us
I don't think I would let my three year old make many decisions by herself. Of course I do believe in letting them make their own mistakes, but I also have to try to make my two daughters grow up with respect and integrity.
I also agree that you are right.
Also the older you are the more likely you have a family and less likely to work the long hours and travel. I was one of these people who would work the 90 hour week, but once I had some kids, I don't work much more than 45 hours. I'm lucky to have a manager that loves kids and gives me a break when it comes to time with the family. But this is not usually the case with other companies and managers. The one good thing is that, at the moment, the supply of programmers is less than the demand.
I never used MacOS, so please inform me.
How many Platforms does it run on?
I thought MacOS only runs on Apple stuff.
Am I wrong?
If this is true, then Linux has the more difficult time of installing, because it has to handle different platforms, or if you are only talking about the x86 platform, it has to handle different setups, since different vendors put the machines together differently. This is not an easy task. How many different SCSI drives are there? How about laptops compared to desktops. I never had any problem installing Linux. XFree86 is a completely different matter, and I believe alot will be fixed by the time XFree86 4.0 comes out.
I'm sorry, but I'm tired of hearing about Corporate Execs saying we will go open source and everything will be better.
Open Source is a community. You don't just say "here, go do this" and everyone jumps up and does your work. Its been mentioned before, that programmers like to program on things they enjoy. If Adobe opens its source for the benefit of others and not just for themselves then you might get help.
Open Source works best when you both produce the code and the support. Others will send you bugs (and maybe if you're lucky at patch as well) so you product becomes better quality. And as the prime resource for the product, you will also be the prime supporter companies will choose. Thus, making Open Source a money maker. You can also market your product as something that will ALWAYS be supported because it IS open.
Warnock looks like he's trying to pillage the Open Source community. I always welcome Companies into this community, but at least for the right reasons. I know they are out to make money, but they must give back as well.
Actually I believe that IBM jumped on the Linux bandwagon to "Get Microsoft". I live in a community that is dominated by IBM. A buddy of mine that works at IBM showed me a 8 page report on how much they "hate" Bill Gates. They are not the suits displayed in "Pirates of Silicon Valley" anymore. They are actually like the folks at Apple now. After the fall of IBM, they reorginized and changed their whole attitude. Some people actually go to work in shorts!
:)
I'm glad IBM has chosen Linux as the weopon against MS. This sould be a fun ride
Let me guess.
/. home page. Read the Audiohighway awarded patent on digital audio players article. Then went back to the /. homepage. Replied to the first article, which happen to be this one.
:)
You started from
Am I right?
I wonder how much the Gov is going to sell it?
:^}
I think that post should be moderated down. Not because I disagree with the statement, but because of the way he/she chose to articulate his/her opinion. f*ck is not really proper here.
But you talk as though Linux is a corporation with your
until Linux brings in more money and then free-software developers will become history once they can afford to hire programmers and turn everything into propriatory
statement. It sounds as though there's some mysterious Linux Industry out there feeding off of the Free Software Foundation, and as soon as it gets its money, it will hire programmers and through away FSF.
1) Linux is under GNU GPL. GNU GPL is basically FSF. Can't become propriatory(sic).
2) Linux is an OS. As long as people are out there maintaining it (as Free), it will not be affected by any corporation.
It is the ones who are tired of programming in Windows that wants Linux as a Corporate OS. That way we can start enjoying our jobs because we can control it, and not worry about someone else's closed source bugs.
-- Most open source patches are workarounds for closed source bugs --
I understand what you mean, but I somewhat think the "Darwin Awards" are in order here. Mr. J will eventually shoot himself in the head with his arrogant remarks. I can't see how people will support someone that attacks another in such a childish way. Thus, Mr. J will not have the benefits of open source. But Mr. Hacker, if he stays in the game will get the support. I'm assuming that everything is under GPL, so that if Mr. J does actually make some good code, then Mr Hacker can benefit, and vise versa.
The evolution of Open Source is not really the more aggressive wins, but that the better/more stable product wins.
KDE and Gnome isn't what I call a fork. They are two tools that do basically the same thing but with different methodologies. But they are not a fork, because they were not a single product at one time. They are two independent products, like parallel lines, no stem of the fork. But what Open Source leads to is that IMHO you will see KDE and GNOME merging to work together more than falling apart. So the flame wars between the two are irrelevant.
If the two versions of P do fork, time will only merge them back to one.
I wonder how many of those 4000 programmers work on enhancing Linux in their spare time?
When we have freedom of speech, there are those who abuse it. But the advantages largely outweigh the disadvantages. Unfortunately, the original P was stopped. I'd recommend Darwinism, since that is what makes Open Source / Free Software great. The arrogance that this Mr. J showed would eventually make his product obsolete. Anytime there is a question about the quality of the original project P. Its a comment of how to make project P better.
This happens, and we should use it for our advantage. I ask Mr. Hacker to be strong and try your best to ignore Mr. J. He will eventually fall out of existence, and you can become even greater.
Funny, after reading the article, I looked up "slashdot.com" and saw that it was taken. I was too late to post a comment about it since someone beat me to it. So I thought I would be smart and see if "slashdotdot.com" is taken. AND IT IS!!!
:)
Billing Contact:
Kotrotsos, Marco.
Record created on 10-Apr-99.
Boy this guy must think he's one up from "slashdot.com"
Obviously this guy is a visionary, I wonder what his views are today? Has he published any other documents?
If Sun and Novell actually listened, I think times would have been different. At the end he mentions "Linux is a win on the political front and a lose on the maturity front". I know linux was very immature back in 1993, and still needs to grow in some areas today. But it is improving with each release. It would have been nice to see Solaris under GNU. But now Sun missed out and we have Linux to work with. I've always said that "software is a service, not a product". This means that you pay to have something done (written). And you get to do what you want with it later. It seems that Larry McVoy could predict the future. This paper was better than ESR's Cathedral and the Bizarre.
I'm sorry, but yes "They are trying to make money". You think business wants to make just free software. I'm all for RMS and his views but I believe mainly that libraries and OS should be under LGPL because other tools use them and should have full benefit of them. But all I care about a user-end app is that it is Open Source. Even as a developer, I like to see how something works, but I don't just want to have it for free (as in beer not speech).
Let Open Source get into the business market. Then worry about Free Software. No proprietary business I know wants to go Free yet. Let them benefit from Open Source then test the waters of FSF.
Although you have a good point, you would be amazed at who reads this.