But by the time that Mozilla is released, a "standard" for XSL(T) is going to be released, and Mozila is then going to be behind...
again...
seriously, I think that someone needs to look at making a hook into Mozilla that parses XML using XSL(T) and all the other happy horseshit that starts with an X (XPath XPoint...)
I installed 6.3 . Installing anything using RPM's complains about libjpeg.so.62 missing. Installing the newest libjpeg from rpm breaks just about everything. KDE goes nuts, you cant install mozilla, upgrade enlightenment or any of the easy stuff that you should be able to do using RPM's.
I'm not sure why they use such an odd set of libraries...
the only problem that i had with SuSE is that it uses a REALLY old version of libjpeg, and upgrading can be a royal pain in the ass... otherwise, it kicks ass... though it could get better at detecting video cards in the beginning, too...
(L)iberal (i)ndentation (s)paces (p)arenthesis come on... anything that generally uses more parentheses than code is not exactly easy on the eye... though to each his own...
usually, i see katz spewage, and i need to settle back for a nice, long, deep read, and then ask myself "what the fuck was jon smoking when he wrote this, and he must've given some to rob to let him publish this shit online"... but this time...
there isnt even a waste of electrons to complain about... its short... and hey...
to paraphrase the old guys from the Muppets in the Muppet Christmas Carl:
It was stupid!
It was pointless! ... it was short ?!??
We LOVED IT!!!
i completely believe you... but the point was, is that this isnt a "new" or "revolutionary" concept. You pointing out that it's been around longer than augustine, emphasizes this point.
I find it amazing that people are still working on this, when it has been solved years ago...
This concept really isnt new. St. Augustine pondered the nature of time in "Confessions". He concluded that the only thing that is real is the present, that the future is only a figment of our imagination, and that the past is just a memory, neither really existing, so if there is no future, and no past, how can time exist?
So this concept isnt really new.. or surprising to me. actually, augutines views made an awful lot of sense...
yes, you are right, it is the GOVERNMENT that wants access to all of your private life, and not some "hacker d00dZ"
trust me, the govt. is far, far scarier. they have the power to actually make your life miserable, where the hackers can only annoy you.
the gov does not belong in my private life, despite what it thinks... and it keeps slowly creeping into more and more of runnign my life instead of myself running my life.
it seems that the reasoning for this is always the same... i guess that some focus group found that americains would give their grandmother to the govt. if it would stop terrorism, drug trafficking and child porn.
Truthfully, I think that the framers of the constitution should have stopped at "Congress shall make no law" and been finished there.
I have a serious problem with people trying to interpret the consitution with the attitude of --- the founders of this country never really MEANT to arm the peopple and to make sure that the right to free speech be respected, they would have never put them in today ---
the framers of the consitutution REVOLTED... they werent about making oppression, they were about freeing themselves...
oh well...
and dont start me on states rights and what the fedearl govt has been doing with that.
sometimes i swear that the courts are the only ones that make any sane decisions in this country anymore...
i guess we can only hope that the justice system doesnt get screwed with extremist appointees... i think that there are going to be a large amount of privacy and free speech debates. we definately need some strict constitutionalists in there...
oh yeh - do you think that my trademark attempt on "first post" will hold up?
if i go out and say on a website "damn, i had some good {fill in drug of choice here} last week", will i be prosecuted for possession and corruption of minors, and all sorts of other wonderful things...
or if i asked - "hey, does anyone know how lsd make you feel? iev been thinking of doing some" am i automatically flagged for a phone tap and surveillance. This is the kind of thought policing that i'm worried about.
this doesnt cover the idiot that would say "Hey - i've got a kilo of crack, who wants to buy it?" online.
does he get prosecuted for selling it? even if he didnt sell it, or never even had it... this is insane. i think that i may start encrypting everything i send real soon...
How many blatant attacks on the Constitution have been started in the last 6 months? It seems that every single day that yet another attack on the individual freedoms and liberties occur in this country.
The Internet is a truly open, free forum, consisting only of thoughts. Regulating the Internet is the same as regulating thoughts. The existing laws still apply to actions.
So if you go out and sell drugs, or even manufacture drugs, this is illegal with or without the internet, but if you discuss HOW to make drugs, this is legal, and should be, because it is speech, press, and thoughts...
sigh... sometimes i wonder if the government is trying to start a revolution. I certainly hope not, but there are going to be a great many people upset and offended at the creation of thought crimes.
IT is extremely scary that MS and AOL think that they can destroy the independent ISP market. THe loss of choice is amazing. With only a few gateway providers, content can easily be filterred, and controlled. Which is a dream for the US govt and censorship advocates.
It would be the end of the Internet as a global marketplace for ideas, and the beginning of a proprietary entertainment network.
I will support my local ISP's throughout this, as i enjoy my freedom to go where i want, see what i want, and read the information that i feel i should. I do not like the concept of anyone being in a position to be able to tell me what i can or can not read/see, and if there is an oligarchy, the prociders will be in exactly this position.
you see... the open source community is the security verification group. when one of the Xmillion number of linux users says "hey, i can hack this using only 4 lines of code", the open source community springs into action, and says.... oh... ok, here's the patch....
The appearance of a trojan is nil, as everyone could see the backdoor in plain view, and close it, and then flame the heck out of whoever tried to put it in.
Security by Obscurity does not work. Just look at NT... or MacOS-X...
Interesting thing is, is that the laugh tracks were put in to make the TV viewing experience more/human/. It seems that noone would laugh at tv shows unless people were laughing with them. Shows that have not used a laugh track have almost all perished because noone could find them funny.
It seems that most people need someone to laugh with them.
Oh well... i like the net better anyway... tv entertainment pretty much gears towards the lowest common denominator. The shows offer no real life situations, real value, or challenge people to think in any way.
They also serve to promote the "right" issues. Don't have sex, dont use drugs, smoking is bad, act like everyone else, and you'll be popular.
Like we need more robots around here.
Reminds me of a local newspaper article that asked kids what the most important thing they learned in school was this year, and one of them said that, knowing how to say NO to Drugs was the most important thing that they learned.
Really? Reading, basic math, Science, Real History, all took a back seat to the Anti-Drug message. There's your tax dollars at work!
i always enjoyed Fensty's place.... and the planet magrethea....
my handle is my email address:-)
0-7 days... i used to get 0-1 hours things... ahh... to be young and spend too much time with a modem... and then to try and explain to people nowadays about how to putin a modem init string... and how zmodem, ymodem and all that good stuff used to work....
anyway.. i live in downtown bethlehem... right by the marketplace, actually...
anyway.. yes this is extremely offtopic...
but i'd really like to know who this guy is/was... it would crack me up if it was really someone big from around here...
it seems that he's from my area... i bet that a couple people around here still have their old HD's from the good ole bbs days... maybe i could see if he was actually an active community member back then.
is it possible that anyone here knows his handle back then? i think i still have my commie 64 disks somewhere with all the userlogs and message boards....
just out of curiosity... have you EVER used a mind-altering substance?
you probably have and dont know it. Alcohol, Caffeine, sugar all alter mood and perceptions.
and truthfully, alcohol is one of the most vile substances known to man, yet it is legal....
and about coding in an altered state of mind... you really ought to try it some time. sometimes you need a little help thinking about things in new and unusual ways... ever try to debug a graph based branch and bound algorithm written in some of the most obfuscated c that you've ever seen? it gets alot easier when you have help looking at things from a diferent perspective.
Face it --- This is really how code gets written. at least good, creative code. coding is much more of an art than a science. people tend to forget that, and try to force good code into a nice business-y type structure with protocols and all that... and unfortunately, you get suit-code. no creativity, horrible user interfaces, and no new solutions to problems.
basically, you need to expand your minsd a little bit. drugs are not "evil". most of the "facts" that are spread are blatant misrepresentation of facts.
try to expand your mind a bit. you will be able to look at life from a different perspective. Probably a much, much better perspective.
Slashdot Mirror
yeh, I saw that...
But by the time that Mozilla is released, a "standard" for XSL(T) is going to be released, and Mozila is then going to be behind...
again...
seriously, I think that someone needs to look at making a hook into Mozilla that parses XML using XSL(T) and all the other happy horseshit that starts with an X (XPath XPoint...)
ok... this may be a bit off topic,...
But does anyone out there know how to get Mozilla to compile/run under SuSE 6.3?
anyone?
anyone?
Bueller?
wow... the time between milestones is getting nice and tight... and the daily build releases are quite good, too...
Has Mozila decided to support XSL(T) yet? Or are they still insisting that CSS is the way to go?
ANd I wish I could get the damn thign to run on my SuSE box... grrr...
i wonder if he'll be turned into a german chef now? (Da und Da Schniztel Bork Bork Bork)
anywho....
disney really didnt understand what to do with that franchise... The muppets were adult entertainment that masqueraded as children entertainment...
Maybe the new groupl will be able to recapture the old magic...
Of course... Since Henson is dead, Kermit will never sound the same...
I installed 6.3 . Installing anything using RPM's complains about libjpeg.so.62 missing. Installing the newest libjpeg from rpm breaks just about everything. KDE goes nuts, you cant install mozilla, upgrade enlightenment or any of the easy stuff that you should be able to do using RPM's.
I'm not sure why they use such an odd set of libraries...
the only problem that i had with SuSE is that it uses a REALLY old version of libjpeg, and upgrading can be a royal pain in the ass... otherwise, it kicks ass... though it could get better at detecting video cards in the beginning, too...
(L)iberal (i)ndentation (s)paces (p)arenthesis come on... anything that generally uses more parentheses than code is not exactly easy on the eye... though to each his own...
why do you think we mate the way we do? trying to find the "best mate" for our offspring?
and those who can not find a suitable mate, have their genes removed from the gene pool... perfect natural selection...
tagline
"Too many uses of the word 'luddite' submission denied"
heh...
tagline
there isnt even a waste of electrons to complain about... its short... and hey...
to paraphrase the old guys from the Muppets in the Muppet Christmas Carl:
... it was short ?!??
It was stupid!
It was pointless!
We LOVED IT!!!
tagline
BRAVO!!! BEST EVER!!!
tagline
hopefully, this time, it will be easier to upgrade individual packages than 6.2 was...
.16, because all the libraries that it wanted werent there...
i had the worst time trying to upgrade to E
oh well... gotta admit that it blows redhat out of the water...
i completely believe you... but the point was, is that this isnt a "new" or "revolutionary" concept. You pointing out that it's been around longer than augustine, emphasizes this point.
I find it amazing that people are still working on this, when it has been solved years ago...
This concept really isnt new. St. Augustine pondered the nature of time in "Confessions". He concluded that the only thing that is real is the present, that the future is only a figment of our imagination, and that the past is just a memory, neither really existing, so if there is no future, and no past, how can time exist?
So this concept isnt really new.. or surprising to me. actually, augutines views made an awful lot of sense...
see what i get for a nice jesuit education?
yes, you are right, it is the GOVERNMENT that wants access to all of your private life, and not some "hacker d00dZ"
trust me, the govt. is far, far scarier. they have the power to actually make your life miserable, where the hackers can only annoy you.
the gov does not belong in my private life, despite what it thinks... and it keeps slowly creeping into more and more of runnign my life instead of myself running my life.
it seems that the reasoning for this is always the same... i guess that some focus group found that americains would give their grandmother to the govt. if it would stop terrorism, drug trafficking and child porn.
Truthfully, I think that the framers of the constitution should have stopped at
... they werent about making oppression, they were about freeing themselves...
"Congress shall make no law" and been finished there.
I have a serious problem with people trying to interpret the consitution with the attitude of
---
the founders of this country never really MEANT to arm the peopple and to make sure that the right to free speech be respected, they would have never put them in today
---
the framers of the consitutution REVOLTED
oh well...
and dont start me on states rights and what the fedearl govt has been doing with that.
sometimes i swear that the courts are the only ones that make any sane decisions in this country anymore...
i guess we can only hope that the justice system doesnt get screwed with extremist appointees... i think that there are going to be a large amount of privacy and free speech debates. we definately need some strict constitutionalists in there...
oh yeh - do you think that my trademark attempt on "first post" will hold up?
not exactly what i meant...
if i go out and say on a website
"damn, i had some good {fill in drug of choice here} last week", will i be prosecuted for possession and corruption of minors, and all sorts of other wonderful things...
or if i asked - "hey, does anyone know how lsd make you feel? iev been thinking of doing some" am i automatically flagged for a phone tap and surveillance. This is the kind of thought policing that i'm worried about.
this doesnt cover the idiot that would say "Hey - i've got a kilo of crack, who wants to buy it?" online.
does he get prosecuted for selling it? even if he didnt sell it, or never even had it... this is insane. i think that i may start encrypting everything i send real soon...
How many blatant attacks on the Constitution have been started in the last 6 months? It seems that every single day that yet another attack on the individual freedoms and liberties occur in this country.
The Internet is a truly open, free forum, consisting only of thoughts. Regulating the Internet is the same as regulating thoughts. The existing laws still apply to actions.
So if you go out and sell drugs, or even manufacture drugs, this is illegal with or without the internet, but if you discuss HOW to make drugs, this is legal, and should be, because it is speech, press, and thoughts...
sigh... sometimes i wonder if the government is trying to start a revolution. I certainly hope not, but there are going to be a great many people upset and offended at the creation of thought crimes.
IT is extremely scary that MS and AOL think that they can destroy the independent ISP market. THe loss of choice is amazing. With only a few gateway providers, content can easily be filterred, and controlled. Which is a dream for the US govt and censorship advocates.
It would be the end of the Internet as a global marketplace for ideas, and the beginning of a proprietary entertainment network.
I will support my local ISP's throughout this, as i enjoy my freedom to go where i want, see what i want, and read the information that i feel i should. I do not like the concept of anyone being in a position to be able to tell me what i can or can not read/see, and if there is an oligarchy, the prociders will be in exactly this position.
you see... the open source community is the security verification group. when one of the Xmillion number of linux users says "hey, i can hack this using only 4 lines of code", the open source community springs into action, and says.... oh... ok, here's the patch....
The appearance of a trojan is nil, as everyone could see the backdoor in plain view, and close it, and then flame the heck out of whoever tried to put it in.
Security by Obscurity does not work. Just look at NT... or MacOS-X...
Interesting thing is, is that the laugh tracks were put in to make the TV viewing experience more /human/. It seems that noone would laugh at tv shows unless people were laughing with them. Shows that have not used a laugh track have almost all perished because noone could find them funny.
It seems that most people need someone to laugh with them.
Oh well... i like the net better anyway... tv entertainment pretty much gears towards the lowest common denominator. The shows offer no real life situations, real value, or challenge people to think in any way.
They also serve to promote the "right" issues. Don't have sex, dont use drugs, smoking is bad, act like everyone else, and you'll be popular.
Like we need more robots around here.
Reminds me of a local newspaper article that asked kids what the most important thing they learned in school was this year, and one of them said that, knowing how to say NO to Drugs was the most important thing that they learned.
Really? Reading, basic math, Science, Real History, all took a back seat to the Anti-Drug message. There's your tax dollars at work!
ragnorak... hmmm? i kindof recall that one...
:-)
.. i live in downtown bethlehem... right by the marketplace, actually...
i always enjoyed Fensty's place.... and the planet magrethea....
my handle is my email address
0-7 days... i used to get 0-1 hours things...
ahh... to be young and spend too much time with a modem... and then to try and explain to people nowadays about how to putin a modem init string... and how zmodem, ymodem and all that good stuff used to work....
anyway
anyway.. yes this is extremely offtopic...
but i'd really like to know who this guy is/was... it would crack me up if it was really someone big from around here...
Hmmm....
it seems that he's from my area... i bet that a couple people around here still have their old HD's from the good ole bbs days... maybe i could see if he was actually an active community member back then.
is it possible that anyone here knows his handle back then? i think i still have my commie 64 disks somewhere with all the userlogs and message boards....
just out of curiosity... have you EVER used a mind-altering substance?
you probably have and dont know it. Alcohol, Caffeine, sugar all alter mood and perceptions.
and truthfully, alcohol is one of the most vile substances known to man, yet it is legal....
and about coding in an altered state of mind... you really ought to try it some time. sometimes you need a little help thinking about things in new and unusual ways... ever try to debug a graph based branch and bound algorithm written in some of the most obfuscated c that you've ever seen? it gets alot easier when you have help looking at things from a diferent perspective.
Face it --- This is really how code gets written. at least good, creative code. coding is much more of an art than a science. people tend to forget that, and try to force good code into a nice business-y type structure with protocols and all that... and unfortunately, you get suit-code. no creativity, horrible user interfaces, and no new solutions to problems.
basically, you need to expand your minsd a little bit. drugs are not "evil". most of the "facts" that are spread are blatant misrepresentation of facts.
try to expand your mind a bit. you will be able to look at life from a different perspective. Probably a much, much better perspective.