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SuSE 6.3 Released Today
Tap noted that SuSE.com notes that 6.3 of the distribution should be released sometime today. Features include NEW X-windows installation,
KDE 1.1.2,
Star Office 5.1a,
and XFree86 3.3.5. It should appear on the ftp site soon, and the Alpha release ought to follow shortly.
I liked SuSE 6.3 a lot, although I think the new graphical installer still has some flaws.
;-)
can't wait to grab the necessary updates from the server, though
I have heard that suse6.3 comes with support for the reiner file system. is this true or just a rumor?
"The importance of using technology in the right way has never been more clear."
For starters
I think that
Realistically speaking,
Star office is bloated
The fact that X really needs a office suite on
Par with Microsoft
Office is really important but an integrated
Start bar? gimme a break
Thanks but no thanks ill stick to abiword
Lars -
Please say the X-Windows configuration happens AFTER installation.
Yes, it's nice to only have to reboot once during the entire installation, but I don't know how many times I had to redo my entire installation with RedHat when I was first starting out just because the X-configuration didn't go so hot.
For new users who don't know that you can switch to a virtual terminal and telinit 3, a messed up X configuration combined with an X login means no access to the system!
I think that You need to use fewer new lines
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hopefully, this time, it will be easier to upgrade individual packages than 6.2 was...
.16, because all the libraries that it wanted werent there...
i had the worst time trying to upgrade to E
oh well... gotta admit that it blows redhat out of the water...
... hi bingo
My main hard drive died about 2 weeks ago, so
:)
after I got my warranty replacement, I decided to
download/burn a Slackware 7.0 iso and try it out.
Still smilin'. KDE's default reminds me a bit
too much of that other virus-prone OS though.
The Default GNOME setup I like. Netscape 4.7 is
included too. Supports both BSD-style or System V init. Kernel 2.2.13.
Easiest PPP setup ever.
Slack is now my 2nd favorite distro - with that
big honkin' Debian Still being the first.
Have yet to find an ISO image of any distro that will work with this lovely IDE controller.
SUSE has always been cutting edge in its support of new hardware. Any idea if the newer IDE controllers will work with this new version of Suse?
Yeah, I could go look for myself, RTFM whatever, but for some reason I'm just too lazy today.
Keep on Keeping On.....
Last I read on the site it said "the first week". Up till today it read December 3rd. I was unable to find anything that said it would be released today. The structure is there on the FTP site but there is nothing in it.
-Wolfgang
Wasn't ReiserFS supposed to be released with the next (this?) version of SuSE? If so, why isn't there any mention of this supposedly fast, journalling(!!!) filesystem? If not, what happened?
It definitely would've have counted as a deciding factor over other distributions with regards to getting installed on more enterprise-class servers.
- I don't need to go outside, my CRT tan'll do me just fine.
Gee, it seems just like yesterday that Suse 6.1 came out. This past summber it was 6.0. I think it's great that Suse keeps improving its OS but the frequency is ridiculous, particularly for those who opt to buy the CD and documentation. Somebody must be making a lot of money! But afterall, that's the Micro$oft way which the open source movement loves to follow.
Now if SuSE manages to throw in Netscape and Star Office for Alpha/Linux in with their distribution, THAT would make it the sexiest distribution out there.
:)
If not, it's basically JALD.
I am probably going to upgrade my SuSE 6.1 to 6.2 or 6.3 to use the latest glibc. IBM's Visual Age for Java doesn't work with glibc 2.0.7. However, when I did the 6.1 install I found the GNOME and Enlightenment RPMs to be MUCH older than what was already available on the GNOME website. They were actually unuseable. I had to uninstall all the GNOME RPMs and install the ones from the website to get GNOME working.
Now that I'm upgrading I wonder if I'll have to go through this again, or if SuSE has newer RPMs for GNOME and Enlightenment. Does anyone know?
Other than this I liked SuSE quite a bit, especially the YAST configuration tool.
Please note that this habit (of referring to X as the "X WindowS") had made it even in official GNU documentation (i.e. "X Windows" everywhere in the GNU Emacs 20.4 manual).
Perhaps it was done intentionally? Perhaps it's time to give it up, and add another row to the manpage?
At last, I see that using the right term is a way to show some respect to those people that provided us all with this great piece of well-engineered and well-thought software (...yes, I know that NeWS was technically better...).
Just a 0.01 Euro this time.
i believe suse is a nice distribution for the real newbies to linux, YAST and SAX make everything damn easy, it has never been that simple to set up a linux system without having read some sort of literature about linux. i know it, i did it, i am new to linux (august 99, although i would have set up a linux system 2 years ago, if my HDD wasnt only 1,5GB...) and i only had really minor problems.
but then, suse is a bit too simple after a certain period of time, but it tends to become even MORE easy to use with every new version. i dont know if i like this fact, the graphical YAST 2 is too damn simple!
what differs linux from other OSs (except that it is almost free of charge) is the fact that you had to be good, to know something about your system, to know what you want, to a pro of a certain degree.
nothing of this anymore, everythings just NEXT, YES, I AGREE, OK, OK, OK, FINISH (REBOOT NOW/LATER). sad(not to mention the RPMs!!) i believe Red Hat is a bit more advanced that Suse, and the real pros use Debian, dont they?
today, it doesnt mean that much anymore if you can say, 'I use Linux'. 'So what, its just like win98'.....
And which parallel universe did you crawl out of?
Journalling Reiserfs and the tools for reiserfs were to go into SuSE 6.3. Some build issues kept it from being included into the standard kernel (unfortunately), but I expect to see patches to enable these features appear on ftp/web sites soon.
It might actually be in the US version, but I haven't had a chance to look yet.
-josh
I've been using SuSe since 5.2 when I changed from
using Red Hat. I find the way to keep SuSe under
control is to use "ENABLE_SUSECONFIG=no" in
/etc/rc.config. It still does has the annoying reading through rc.config twice during every single rc script though.
Regards
fool!
What you can download from Sun is 5.1a.
Personaly, the only two distro's I consider are Debian and Redhat, but it really doesn't matter what you use, aside from the installation process.
:)
You can set up any linux box to boot up to a simplistic (read: limited) X interface and feel like you're using windoze. But at the same time, you can take any user friendly distro and rip off the cruft, making it into a barebones system.
Personaly, between Debian and Redhat, I'm more of a Redhat man, because of how far Debian has gotten behind. Now, don't get me wrong, I have *high* respect for the Debian crew. They spend heaps of time making sure their distro has been tested and working flawlessly. Yeah, there may be a few less than perfect initscripts in RH, or this and that, but it isn't anything that 5 minutes wont fix, and it doesn't involve needing an internet connection. And it is also true that graphical installers happen to suck ass, but I'm not going to choose my distro based on something I only have to do once with it.
Because most of my installs have been on new machines, and I don't want to install Debian and then have to bring the whole system up to speed, as I think their stable distro is still glibc 2.0 (correct me if I am wrong on this). (Hehe, maybe I could find someone to make me some unstable distro cd's and find a non-critical box). I might be able to get away with a ftp/nfs install, but my internet connection (cable modem through Cox@Home) is terribly flaky.
When Debian goes stable on their latest distro, and I have another machine that needs a fresh install, it will be with Debian. If not, it will probably be a Redhat box. Doesn't really matter that much to me.
But the overall point is, no matter what distro you use, it is up to you if you want it to be windoze like, or if you want to tear it down and change it. Nothing is hidden from you when you run an open system.
This sig is false.
My bag. I just read below that it's the non-journaling Reiserfs which is included with 6.3
Chris
San Francisco values: compassion, tolerance, respect, intelligence
I was looking through SuSE's ftp site, and it appears as if they don't have it up yet. That, or they are extremely bogged down. Has anyone found a place of which to download it yet? Or perhaps, when it will be available?
I am still waiting for my 6.1 Alpha distro. Been on back order for some time.
This company is getting long on headlines, short on delivery.
They must be too busy getting into bed with a bunch of partners to worry about paying customers. I pay money for service, not to get treated like a Microsoft customer.
It seems that all the companies know that all the linux users are sort of fanatical, and can be treated like shit.
They don't seem to realize that all they sell is service.
Suse is on my shitlist. I am sick of this type of behavior.
The question is, if Linux becomes very popular, would it still be Linux?
There are probably many people who would not like to see the power of Linux in the hands of "the unwashed masses" and leave.
Will this happen?
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I hope this graphic install isn't as buggy as
that of Corel. Hopefully I can have a normal
install, I sure hell don't want to be stuck
in a graphic boot as is plagued Corel Linux.
Under Corel the loading of the graphic kdm
was done after the boot at level 2. Normally
you switch to level 2 to get the system back
to sanity but Corel forced the graphic boot
even under level 2.
Removing the offending kdm script fixed the bug
but it was quite annoying to have to look for the
solution to the graphic boot.
I constantly hear people talking about "X-Windows" and it's really annoying. There are also people who constantly remind others that they've got Linux 6.1 (they mean Red Hat 6.1). And most of them bug me with problems which they can solve themselves by RTFM. Some constantly call me at home to go to their house and install Red Hate for them! Everyone can install a distro like Red Hate or ZooZee if they just take 10 minutes to read the manuals.
Interestingly enough, those screenshots have a KDE 2 look to them.
Are they including a pre-alpha KDE 2 with 6.3? Did they modify KDE 1 like Corel did?
Maybe this is only for the YaST 2...
There is not yet agreement as to what the upgrade path should be like.
The point is that what's available a month from now will likely not "play well" with what is available right now. That's necessary in the development of a better filesystem; it is certainly not good for the deployment of this, at least not just yet.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
I guess that is why Linus runs SuSE, cause it's just for newbies.
Hi, Is all the 1500 apps which come with suse 6.3 in rpm format becuase i want to do a full install and then remive what i dont want and it will be easier to do if they are rpms.
What I am wondering is SuSE now Comes on DVD but how far does the DVD support go ... Just reading the data or will there be audio/video playback support to ?
The last time SuSE talked about the images "soon" being on their ftp-servers it took about two weeks so they had enough time to make _big_ profits with selling their CDs... why do I always get the impression SuSE that tries to copy M$'s success, with similar rough methods? Think about the registry, pardon, rc.config...
I think the only reason why I really like SuSE is the darned cute logo! That little fella and his smile make my day.
I had a history professor who was heavy into eastern religions (though he was an agnostic).
It is either a phrase from Taoist or Budhist philosophy.
The original phrase was in (I think) chinese and sounded something like "Boo Ker Err Weigh" but I have no idea how it was spelt.
Whatever, it beats EOF and is a truer sentiment than sincerely yours or other such stuff.
BTW, thanks for the promise info. Could not get RH or FreeBSD to work with this controller, although support has been around for some time. Catch 22, need the (for linux) 2.3 kernel, but have to have an installation to compile the 2.3 kernel. Promise, on their site has drivers and an installation procedure for RH 6.0, but no indication if it works with 6.1.
At work I tried out Suse 5.something and really liked it. For one thing it actually worked out of the box with my NT/Hummingbird eXceed workstation, unlike any of the latest RH distros
I'll fire up the cable modem and try to download an ISO image tonight..
Heheeh .. ... ...
Grits boys are getting more and more sophisticated
I like em
Do you complain when people say "Can you hand me a Kleenex?" when there's nothing but Acme brand facial tissue around? Or when your boss tells you that he needs some Xerox's made of these papers for a presentation this afternoon?
If people are bugging you to install Linux like people used to bug me, point out to them that they will have no problem installing it themselves. Tell them where on the CD the Linux-Install-HOWTO is. Tell them to make sure they grab all the manuals for their computer just in case their hardware isn't recognized so they can look at it and pick the right one out of a list. Don't get so uppity, if it hadn't been for people telling me where to find the information on how to do all the things I learned back when, I wouldn't know as much as I do now.
And maybe they'll learn enought o stop asking you questions in the first place, which should be your ultimate goal anyway.
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Redhat hasn't been any more prompt with their alternate distros. Despite the delays, I will have to say that my impression with the SPARC distro is that they acctually worked the bugs out before they shipped it! I am quite happy to see this change from Redhat.
I would like to see something like this on the package-selection in Linux-Distributions:
Office Applications
...
Not even Corel has something like that. When I install my workstation I do not care if the email program I install is called 'balsa' or 'empath'. I want to have an email program. You can give me a selection of email programs and tell me how
- Userfriendly
- Functional
- Buggy
- ...
they are. I decide then - but I really hate it to go through the packages series and go through a bunch of cryptic package names to select.I also really would like to have an alphabetical list where all the packages are listed. I recently looked for the printing services (lpr) and I found it in networking. Ok, yes you can print over the network but that was not my first thought.
Other than that I really like SuSE and I was using 5.2 and then got into it from 6.0/6.1/6.2 and now 6.3. I did one install with YAST2 to try it out, looked at the mess it installed (as I said: one click selects a BIIIG number of applications) tried to deselect what I did not like, then did a clean re-install with YAST just selecting what I wanted (wasting another half an hour).
----- On the requirements it said: Windows 98 or better - so I installed Linux