So, are you saying that if I tell people running an access point to stop sending their signals into my property and they don't then that may very well be trespass on their part? Interesting.
I stopped trying to contribute to wikipedia after what I consider their brain dead policy resulted in my work being made to disappear.
I am from the Bahamas and I put up some pages covering topics relating to my home for which I could find no coverage.
Now, I made no attempt to write a scholarly article on the subject. My intention was to put something there with some basic information in the hopes that someone with more knowledge and ability could take the hint and improve it or replace it with a better version.
What do I find when checking back later to see if there is better info available? No information on the subject whatsoever. This is what I thought was brain dead!
The info I had put up was correct to the best of my knowledge. It is my opinion that such info on the subject was better than no info on the subject. It is also my opinion that such info on the subject is a better seed for improved info on the subject than no info on the subject. Plus, having your work "vanished" is discouraging.
So, that is my take on my experience with wikipedia and that is the result in my life when it comes to that experience.
I still like wikipedia and go there for info, but I am not giving them my time with helping on improvements as it seems that the way I work and the way they want work done doesn't mesh. If this is happening in more than isolated cases, they are missing out on a lot.
"A patent, thus, is not meant as an inherent right for financial compensation for the inventor. A patent is a state-ordained monopoly, that excludes others of exploiting or using similar ideas, even when they have come up with those ideas independently by themselves, for a certain time-period."
Bingo, and this is why we need to stop talking like the free market can solve problems that arise in dealings with things protected by patents or copyrights.
So, if you are dealing in patent and copyright protected "items" - don't trot out free market slogans when people call for the government to step in and curb your abuses, etc.
"The big companies using software patents will be constantly trying to increase the size of their software patent empire, so the only way to compete with this is for other giant companies to enter a cold-war style arms race with other companies from which only super-powers will emerge victorious. This is a very anti-competitive environment and very destructive to innovation."
I read a comment earlier suggesting patent renewals where the renewal fee doubles (I think that was the suggestion) each year and for each patent. I then saw a link someone else provided to a.uk site discussing their renewal fee regulations which mentioned something about the fee being half if the patent allowed for anyone to get a license.
I think we should get rid of software patents alltogether, but while we still have them and for others, how about such a fee scheme where the fee goes to near zero if you commit that anyone can have a free license for the patent for the life of the patent so long as they don't bring a patent suit against you?
Low cost defensive patents for those that want them with few of the bad side effects?
"Will one of them throw their one time per lifetime FIRE?"
YES! But sadly for him, only to find that his opponent had cunningly soaked his paper before throwing it and the FIRE is put out by the wet sheet of limp paper!
Actually, being lawyers, aren't they both likely to throw paper?
>> In France, you can't buy a painted refrigerator, and then sell the >> painted panels. > Well, I don't know in which world you do live, but being French I can > assure you that you can resell painted refrigerator panels:)
I don't claim to know anything about the laws in France, but I think the OP was referring to a refrigerator that had art painted on it rather than simply panels covered with a plain coat of paint for protection or to match the room decor.
I think I have seen discussions where copyright / trademark holders object to just that sort of behaviour. For instance, buying a child's bedsheet with cartoon artwork on it, cutting it up, framing the pieces and selling them.
"If they're acting unlawfully, how is it that Amazon and hundreds of other online dealers who cheerfully sell across international borders, regardless of market segmentation, are not?"
This is the question I too ask whenever such situations come up.
1. If they are legal in their own country. (I did say if and I am not commenting on that here.)
2. Is it really illegal for an "end user" to purchase copyrighted material "mail order" "out of region?"
2.i. Same question, but "in person" instead of "mail order."
[Generally most movies have a legal statement on them which makes it clear that the product is NOT for public distribution, but instead is only for private viewing.
Do you believe that they do not have a right to do this?]
Not quite right. They sell (distribute) it to the public for the private viewing of the public. In other words, although they distribute it to the public, they don't want the public turning around and giving public performances. (Like showing the copy at your place of business for instance as a guess.)
They may indeed have every right to do this, and making and distributing these copies may indeed be illegal, but this is indeed material which they produced for distribution to the public.
Honestly, but if you click too soon without a preview in slashdot, your wonderful ability with the language is on display for all to see and poke fun at...
"To point #2 the law that allows the import of media purchased legally outside the U.S. into the U.S. also stipulates that it must be for personal use..."
I think I saw that in another post and I was talking about such purchases.
Let me add some thoughts here if I may. To my mind, two things may or may not be legal here.
1. Someone in Russia buying a song from allofmp3.
I will not comment on this.
2. Someone in the US buying a song from allofmp3 in russia and "importing" it to the US.
I don't know if this is legal, but it seems that it would be as legal or illegal (assuming number 1 above was legal) as going to say http://www.amazon.co.uk/ and buying a book or CD or DVD that was unavailable in the US and having them ship it to you.
"But unless you're new to "Free Software" you know that the whole point is to compete with and hopefully end un-free software."
I am not new to Free Software, and while that may be the aim of RMS and the GPL, (I said may, so as not to have to argue that point) that is hardly the aim of every individual Free Software program.
Now, as to the distributors, who contends that all of the linux distributors are giving their distros away for free to corner the market.? I am not sure that even makes sense...
Yay, a hundred of us distros have cornered the software market worth $0.00 in revenue. Whee. Oh wait! What? You mean we really don't have the software market cornered? What? People can get the programs we distribute direct from the actual programmers? How can that be? I thought we had the market cornered...
"Most home Internet use is in brief bursts -- an e-mail here, a Web page there."
'No because dialup is painfully slow, it has a very low burst speed. What many people want and are paying for $50 a month is high burst low total usage.'
See their quote which I referenced. I was on dialup for the longest. The best connection I ever got was 26,xxx and for an email here and a web page there, it was not all that bad. (Granted, not with todays fool web pages, but still.)
I used to run the tech side of a small ISP and I never said that they should not oversell, just that they should manage their bandwidth, and give users what they advertise as providing. (Not that we were all that advanced back when I was in the game.)
'But you would probably not be willing to pay for it.'
You may be right, but you never know. The sell for "broadband internet" was multimedia and streaming media iirc. Then when people want to do what was advertised, they complain and say it is gonna break the net infrastructure?
Cool, and if that is your attitude, kudos to you and I have no great beef with your choice.
That said, most who express a dislike of the GPL and love of the BSD license, seem to have no problem with someone taking BSD code and closing it off completely and yet do have a problem with someone putting code under the GPL. That I have yet to figure out.
"Most home Internet use is in brief bursts -- an e-mail here, a Web page there."
If all I need is to get an email here and a web page there, I can drop cable and go back to dialup. Right?
Come on guys, make up your minds, get you ad agencies on the right page.
'I expect to get just that. If that's not what I'm getting then don't call it that, and don't promise it!'
Bingo!!! Spot on. Oversell all you can, just manage your bandwidth well enough so that everyone gets what you advertised / agreed to when they want it.
"I'm shocked at your mistrust of the noble craft of FANTASTIC INTERNET PRIZES!!!"
It's like this. There is this hoodlum around here who doesn't have intarweb access and the nearest webshop is closed.
Still, somehow, he heard about the fantastic prize and came by and kidnapped my pet sea cucumber. Then he called me on his new-fangled cellular phone and made me do it.
Sorry, I am glad that the proper individual has claimed his prize. I, personally, would not know what to do with another prize. I win so many lotteries and such every week that I can barely keep up.
Plus, I was awarded the all time slashdot business plan and I am raking in the profits from that every day as well.
"Use a BSD style license if you want to distribute your code open source."
Uh, no thanks, I will use the GPL for my code. Why don't you use a BSD style license for yours though. Then, if it is not the non-GPL compatible version of the license, I can take what I want and include it in my GPL code. (You ought to be cool with that.)
Now, you could just use the original BSD license to prevent me from using your code in my GPL code, but what sort of game would you be playing then?
[Please!, you F/OSS folks! Take pride in your skills! CHARGE - at least SOMETHING for your work! YOU are creating a supply that is outweighing demand - READ up on your ECONOMICS!!!]
I do charge for my work, good money too. If I am doing it for others.
When I do it for myself, not always. That said, the amount that I have saved versus PAYING for every last piece of code on each and every one of my boxes makes me come out ahead in any case.
Perhaps you might think a little deeper about economics yourself.
Slashdot Mirror
So, are you saying that if I tell people running an access point to stop sending their signals into my property and they don't then that may very well be trespass on their part? Interesting.
all the best,
drew
(da idea man)
Indeed,
I stopped trying to contribute to wikipedia after what I consider their brain dead policy resulted in my work being made to disappear.
I am from the Bahamas and I put up some pages covering topics relating to my home for which I could find no coverage.
Now, I made no attempt to write a scholarly article on the subject. My intention was to put something there with some basic information in the hopes that someone with more knowledge and ability could take the hint and improve it or replace it with a better version.
What do I find when checking back later to see if there is better info available? No information on the subject whatsoever. This is what I thought was brain dead!
The info I had put up was correct to the best of my knowledge. It is my opinion that such info on the subject was better than no info on the subject. It is also my opinion that such info on the subject is a better seed for improved info on the subject than no info on the subject. Plus, having your work "vanished" is discouraging.
So, that is my take on my experience with wikipedia and that is the result in my life when it comes to that experience.
I still like wikipedia and go there for info, but I am not giving them my time with helping on improvements as it seems that the way I work and the way they want work done doesn't mesh. If this is happening in more than isolated cases, they are missing out on a lot.
all the best,
drew
(da idea man)
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/187924
Bahamian Nonsense
"A patent, thus, is not meant as an inherent right for financial compensation for the inventor. A patent is a state-ordained monopoly, that excludes others of exploiting or using similar ideas, even when they have come up with those ideas independently by themselves, for a certain time-period."
.uk site discussing their renewal fee regulations which mentioned something about the fee being half if the patent allowed for anyone to get a license.
Bingo, and this is why we need to stop talking like the free market can solve problems that arise in dealings with things protected by patents or copyrights.
So, if you are dealing in patent and copyright protected "items" - don't trot out free market slogans when people call for the government to step in and curb your abuses, etc.
"The big companies using software patents will be constantly trying to increase the size of their software patent empire, so the only way to compete with this is for other giant companies to enter a cold-war style arms race with other companies from which only super-powers will emerge victorious. This is a very anti-competitive environment and very destructive to innovation."
I read a comment earlier suggesting patent renewals where the renewal fee doubles (I think that was the suggestion) each year and for each patent. I then saw a link someone else provided to a
I think we should get rid of software patents alltogether, but while we still have them and for others, how about such a fee scheme where the fee goes to near zero if you commit that anyone can have a free license for the patent for the life of the patent so long as they don't bring a patent suit against you?
Low cost defensive patents for those that want them with few of the bad side effects?
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/187924
Bahamaian Nonsense
"The difference is that, when you download a file, you are copying it. If material is copyrighted then you need a licence to copy it."
Which end is copying the file and thus needs a license?
I am going to be a little stupid now.
So, if my country makes it illegal for people in Russia to breath then they are in breach of Bahamian law when they do breath?
all the best,
drew
"Right. Imagine a Beowulf cluster of forked Robert Jordan novels. shudder"
Well, imagine a Beowulf cluster of Beowulfs.
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/981
all the best,
drew
"Will one of them throw their one time per lifetime FIRE?"
YES! But sadly for him, only to find that his opponent had cunningly soaked his paper before throwing it and the FIRE is put out by the wet sheet of limp paper!
Actually, being lawyers, aren't they both likely to throw paper?
all the best,
drew
>> In France, you can't buy a painted refrigerator, and then sell the >> painted panels. :)
> Well, I don't know in which world you do live, but being French I can > assure you that you can resell painted refrigerator panels
I don't claim to know anything about the laws in France, but I think the OP was referring to a refrigerator that had art painted on it rather than simply panels covered with a plain coat of paint for protection or to match the room decor.
I think I have seen discussions where copyright / trademark holders object to just that sort of behaviour. For instance, buying a child's bedsheet with cartoon artwork on it, cutting it up, framing the pieces and selling them.
all the best,
drew
"If they're acting unlawfully, how is it that Amazon and hundreds of other online dealers who cheerfully sell across international borders, regardless of market segmentation, are not?"
This is the question I too ask whenever such situations come up.
1. If they are legal in their own country. (I did say if and I am not commenting on that here.)
2. Is it really illegal for an "end user" to purchase copyrighted material "mail order" "out of region?"
2.i. Same question, but "in person" instead of "mail order."
Hey Captain, do you have a comment?
http://yro.slashdot.org/~cpt+kangarooski/
all the best,
drew
"WAR ON LIGHTNING!"
Hasn't there been a war on white lightning for many years now?
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/user/17145
[Generally most movies have a legal statement on them which makes it clear that the product is NOT for public distribution, but instead is only for private viewing.
Do you believe that they do not have a right to do this?]
Not quite right. They sell (distribute) it to the public for the private viewing of the public. In other words, although they distribute it to the public, they don't want the public turning around and giving public performances. (Like showing the copy at your place of business for instance as a guess.)
They may indeed have every right to do this, and making and distributing these copies may indeed be illegal, but this is indeed material which they produced for distribution to the public.
Seems like that to me at least.
all the best,
drew
Honestly, but if you click too soon without a preview in slashdot, your wonderful ability with the language is on display for all to see and poke fun at...
I can live with that.
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
I think you will find some mistakes in spelling, grammar and more at that link...
Yes, but will the tollerant tollerate the intollerant?
Just one of those things.
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Seems some think I am trying to corner the market for novels... Imagine.
"To point #2 the law that allows the import of media purchased legally outside the U.S. into the U.S. also stipulates that it must be for personal use..."
I think I saw that in another post and I was talking about such purchases.
all the best,
drew
Let me add some thoughts here if I may.
To my mind, two things may or may not be legal here.
1. Someone in Russia buying a song from allofmp3.
I will not comment on this.
2. Someone in the US buying a song from allofmp3 in russia and "importing" it to the US.
I don't know if this is legal, but it seems that it would be as legal or illegal (assuming number 1 above was legal) as going to say http://www.amazon.co.uk/ and buying a book or CD or DVD that was unavailable in the US and having them ship it to you.
Would anyone care to discuss number 2 further?
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Seems I am trying to corner the market in unfinished share-alike novels.
"But unless you're new to "Free Software" you know that the whole point is to compete with and hopefully end un-free software."
I am not new to Free Software, and while that may be the aim of RMS and the GPL, (I said may, so as not to have to argue that point) that is hardly the aim of every individual Free Software program.
Now, as to the distributors, who contends that all of the linux distributors are giving their distros away for free to corner the market.? I am not sure that even makes sense...
Yay, a hundred of us distros have cornered the software market worth $0.00 in revenue. Whee. Oh wait! What? You mean we really don't have the software market cornered? What? People can get the programs we distribute direct from the actual programmers? How can that be? I thought we had the market cornered...
Gotta love it.
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Seems I am trying to corner the market in unfinished novels.
http://www.ourmedia.org/user/17145
And the market in instructional videos and other markets as well.
Imagine that!
all the best,
drew
"Most home Internet use is in brief bursts -- an e-mail here, a Web page there."
'No because dialup is painfully slow, it has a very low burst speed. What many people want and are paying for $50 a month is high burst low total usage.'
See their quote which I referenced. I was on dialup for the longest. The best connection I ever got was 26,xxx and for an email here and a web page there, it was not all that bad. (Granted, not with todays fool web pages, but still.)
I used to run the tech side of a small ISP and I never said that they should not oversell, just that they should manage their bandwidth, and give users what they advertise as providing. (Not that we were all that advanced back when I was in the game.)
'But you would probably not be willing to pay for it.'
You may be right, but you never know. The sell for "broadband internet" was multimedia and streaming media iirc. Then when people want to do what was advertised, they complain and say it is gonna break the net infrastructure?
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Some sort of copyleft type of novel - I don't know.
Cool, and if that is your attitude, kudos to you and I have no great beef with your choice.
That said, most who express a dislike of the GPL and love of the BSD license, seem to have no problem with someone taking BSD code and closing it off completely and yet do have a problem with someone putting code under the GPL. That I have yet to figure out.
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/53984
You can blow "smoke rings" underwater?
"Most home Internet use is in brief bursts -- an e-mail here, a Web page there."
If all I need is to get an email here and a web page there, I can drop cable and go back to dialup. Right?
Come on guys, make up your minds, get you ad agencies on the right page.
'I expect to get just that. If that's not what I'm getting then don't call it that, and don't promise it!'
Bingo!!! Spot on. Oversell all you can, just manage your bandwidth well enough so that everyone gets what you advertised / agreed to when they want it.
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/user/17145
Some funky stuff mixed in there...
"I'm shocked at your mistrust of the noble craft of FANTASTIC INTERNET PRIZES!!!"
It's like this. There is this hoodlum around here who doesn't have intarweb access and the nearest webshop is closed.
Still, somehow, he heard about the fantastic prize and came by and kidnapped my pet sea cucumber. Then he called me on his new-fangled cellular phone and made me do it.
Sorry, I am glad that the proper individual has claimed his prize. I, personally, would not know what to do with another prize. I win so many lotteries and such every week that I can barely keep up.
Plus, I was awarded the all time slashdot business plan and I am raking in the profits from that every day as well.
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Some sort of copyleft type of novel - I don't know.
CLICK HERE to claim your fantastic prize!
I have been clicking like mad trying to snarf that other person's prize, but the link seems to be broken...
Would you kindly fix it right away...
all the best,
drew
"Use a BSD style license if you want to distribute your code open source."
Uh, no thanks, I will use the GPL for my code. Why don't you use a BSD style license for yours though. Then, if it is not the non-GPL compatible version of the license, I can take what I want and include it in my GPL code. (You ought to be cool with that.)
Now, you could just use the original BSD license to prevent me from using your code in my GPL code, but what sort of game would you be playing then?
all the best,
drew
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http://www.ourmedia.org/node/187924
Bahamian Nonsense
The thing is, if you send them out blank, they magically might not be blank when introduced into evidence in court. That could pose a problem...
all the best,
drew
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http://www.ourmedia.org/node/145261
copyleft song contest in the works.
better burn fuzz on them first - don't leave them truly blank...
wwnnsnmsnm
all the best,
drew
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http://www.ourmedia.org/node/187924
Bahamian Nonsense
[Please!, you F/OSS folks! Take pride in your skills! CHARGE - at least SOMETHING for your work! YOU are creating a supply that is outweighing demand - READ up on your ECONOMICS!!!]
I do charge for my work, good money too. If I am doing it for others.
When I do it for myself, not always. That said, the amount that I have saved versus PAYING for every last piece of code on each and every one of my boxes makes me come out ahead in any case.
Perhaps you might think a little deeper about economics yourself.
all the best,
drew
-----
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/187924
Bahamian Nonsense
Won't someone please think of the alien children?
all the best,
drew
Will the tollerant tollerate the intollerant?