too true. If anyone is wrong here its CmdrTaco for posting that ATI is a bigger name than Motorola.
ATI does have larger brand recognition for gamers but that hardly a benchmark, Motorola has
about 10x the revenue of ATI, ATI could disappear tomorrow the same way as 3DFX
> The only way sole control over an industry can
> occ(o)ur is with the threat of physical force.
You are so wrong, please read about standard oil. You will learn alot about how you can gain control over an industry without appearing to do anything at all.
Say that you write a browser,
how will anyone get it if dictate what you can download on my internet service.
What will you do when I file a patent suit against you.
What will you do when I hire your employees.
What will you do when I give your customers no choice, either use my browser or you don't get my operating system.
For all the Linux hype IBM would prefer to sell AIX and mainframe updated and minicomputer service contracts. They will do everything they can to keep you on IBM hardware, only if you call their bluff and say that you will leave IBM will they take your request to move to linux seriously.
Hence no linux benchmarks but as someone else has commented they would rather invest in doing a dynix benchmark.
A common trait of many of the companies that failed is that they gave away
for free or at a loss the very thing they produced that was of greatest value -
in the hope that somehow they?d make money selling something else.
Microsoft vs USA Findings of Fact
Despite the opportunity to make a substantial amount of revenue from the sale of Internet Explorer, and with
the knowledge that the dominant browser product on the market, Navigator, was being licensed at a price, senior executives at Microsoft decided that
Microsoft needed to give its browser away in furtherance of the larger strategic goal of accelerating Internet Explorer's acquisition of browser usage share.
The other side to this story is that IBMs cash cow customers, MIS mainframe shops are having trouble recruiting decent mainframe admins. This is a huge problem for IBM. Why
a) most admins under 30 only know windows and at best Linux or other unix like Solaris
b) admins over 30 want more pay, have families, less eager to work long unsociable hours
c) Very few in (a) want to even learn mainframe admin skills. And before you say you can run Linux on an s/390, the answer is no, you still need an IBM OS to control it
That means people are ditching mainframes left right and center, the downside (admin costs, OS costs, support contracts, old equipment etc)
now outweighs the upside (uptime etc). So IBM
plans a PR campaign, self healing etc, to try and sugar the reality
Except your comparison is not the same. You are talking about a competitive incentive. Microsofts version is presumption of guilt even though you may be innocent.
I know a company that recently bought 400 pcs and installed Linux on them (they were not pre-installed with linux as they needed a specific custom build). Should Microsoft be given their details to remind them what MS license policies are? Is there a money off coupon involved, no!
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Wise up buddy. All companies want your money, even your pal IBM. (or do you work for them)
This is the company that weasled out of anti-trust by snowballing 10 years, oh and if you want to see what IBM really think of Linux and open source read on...
IBMs view on open source
"You can't hold an open-source community accountable," says Dick Sullivan, a VP of marketing in IBM's software group. "Customers say, 'How long do you think I'd last if I told my CIO, I've registered this problem on the Internet and I'm waiting for the open-source community to get it fixed.' It's not in the business culture today."
IBM on Linux
"Customers currently running Linux apps might have concerns about management and scalability. So now their Linux app can run with the AIX back end," says Mike Kerr, IBM's VP of marketing for the pSeries.
Seems strange I updated my windoze machine and
Java didn't have any problems.
Update Redhat and all hell breaks loose, Java
Oracle and some other apps I tried. (in beta)
Your lack of customer concern is worrying, eg
"nothing we can do about it", did you report it? Have they fixed it? Whats the status here? Is Redhat serious about the enterprise or what.
Bob answered most questions except the standardization issue. That KDE and Gnome does hurt Linux more than it helps. Microsoft knows this which is why Doug Miller mentioned it and if there is one thing Microsoft has experience with its gui toolkits and how ISVs use them.
We do not have the resources at my company to test KDE *and* Gnome. Its one or the other, current status is that we will not support KDE but its been a very difficult decision.
This is reality, hopefully someone else can point
out how they can develop for both toolkits and
support them and be successful at it
While open sourcers have been busy innovating and coding. IBMs lawyers and employees (don't forget they are "goaled" on how many patents they have submitted) have been busying patenting the stuff.
IBM have historically quietly made millions from "licensing" their patent portfolio. Maybe Bruce found out how much HP has paid IBM for desktop patents in the past?
er ibm can the F1 key for help patent be public domain, thnks
The EULA OEM license, is an agreement between you and the hardware manufacturer only. That software was only licensed for that exact hardware, and no other machine. I can sell the old machine with the software as a whole unit. I cannot buy a blank dell machine and delete the software from my old machine and install it on a new machine.
Its all there in the End user license agreement.
Apparently there was a similiar issue for MS select customers too
First let me state that I do believe there are some companies that are abusing site licensees etc for one reason or another.
However even bonafider companies are being screwed by Microsoft.
I don't have a site license at my office, its too small. However previous versions of NT etc that came installed on a PC are *not* transferable to
newer machines. Most of our machines are in theory
running two copies of NT. Two copies of Visual C++
, two copies of office. You do the math....
Hardward like the Tandem non-stop and Sun E10000
and any other fault tolerant system does hot swappable anything. Granted they lifted
the idea from mainframes but they are the new(ish)
kids on the block who know all the tricks....
Slashdot Mirror
too true. If anyone is wrong here its CmdrTaco for posting that ATI is a bigger name than Motorola.
ATI does have larger brand recognition for gamers but that hardly a benchmark, Motorola has
about 10x the revenue of ATI, ATI could disappear tomorrow the same way as 3DFX
IBM has a press release to proclaim they are sharing information about an open source product.
hmm...
> The only way sole control over an industry can
> occ(o)ur is with the threat of physical force.
You are so wrong, please read about standard oil. You will learn alot about how you can gain control over an industry without appearing to do anything at all.
Say that you write a browser,
how will anyone get it if dictate what you can download on my internet service.
What will you do when I file a patent suit against you.
What will you do when I hire your employees.
What will you do when I give your customers no choice, either use my browser or you don't get my operating system.
I didn't threaten you physically at all did I?
If we do not learn from history, we are forced to repeat it.
I think OSDN/slashdot are hoping the economic
climate was like last year too, well apart
from Larry who sold a couple of million this
year already
For all the Linux hype IBM would prefer to sell AIX and mainframe updated and minicomputer service contracts. They will do everything they can to keep you on IBM hardware, only if you call their bluff and say that you will leave IBM will they take your request to move to linux seriously.
Hence no linux benchmarks but as someone else has commented they would rather invest in doing a dynix benchmark.
Well I fell for the mozilla hype train again :*(
Within minutes I was getting corruption on my
rendered page (previous banner ads were not being
cleared, one example was datek).
Then I thought I would set my font size to 14,
guess what, it crashed. (on windows) This was
within minutes of running it.
Back to netscape 4.x...
hmm, sounds familiar
Craig Mundie speech
A common trait of many of the companies that failed is that they gave away
for free or at a loss the very thing they produced that was of greatest value -
in the hope that somehow they?d make money selling something else.
Microsoft vs USA Findings of Fact
Despite the opportunity to make a substantial amount of revenue from the sale of Internet Explorer, and with
the knowledge that the dominant browser product on the market, Navigator, was being licensed at a price, senior executives at Microsoft decided that
Microsoft needed to give its browser away in furtherance of the larger strategic goal of accelerating Internet Explorer's acquisition of browser usage share.
The other side to this story is that IBMs cash cow customers, MIS mainframe shops are having trouble recruiting decent mainframe admins. This is a huge problem for IBM. Why
a) most admins under 30 only know windows and at best Linux or other unix like Solaris
b) admins over 30 want more pay, have families, less eager to work long unsociable hours
c) Very few in (a) want to even learn mainframe admin skills. And before you say you can run Linux on an s/390, the answer is no, you still need an IBM OS to control it
That means people are ditching mainframes left right and center, the downside (admin costs, OS costs, support contracts, old equipment etc)
now outweighs the upside (uptime etc). So IBM
plans a PR campaign, self healing etc, to try and sugar the reality
Except your comparison is not the same. You are talking about a competitive incentive. Microsofts version is presumption of guilt even though you may be innocent.
I know a company that recently bought 400 pcs and installed Linux on them (they were not pre-installed with linux as they needed a specific custom build). Should Microsoft be given their details to remind them what MS license policies are? Is there a money off coupon involved, no!
Wise up buddy. All companies want your money, even your pal IBM. (or do you work for them)
This is the company that weasled out of anti-trust by snowballing 10 years, oh and if you want to see what IBM really think of Linux and open source read on...
IBMs view on open source
"You can't hold an open-source community accountable," says Dick Sullivan, a VP of marketing in IBM's software group. "Customers say, 'How long do you think I'd last if I told my CIO, I've registered this problem on the Internet and I'm waiting for the open-source community to get it fixed.' It's not in the business culture today."
IBM on Linux
"Customers currently running Linux apps might have concerns about management and scalability. So now their Linux app can run with the AIX back end," says Mike Kerr, IBM's VP of marketing for the pSeries.
Mandrake apparently does have the right to
distribute Java, I saw it in a press release
from Sun.
http://java.sun.com/pr/2000/06/pr000606-06.html
Are you speaking for yourself or are you trying
to represent Mandrake?
Seems strange I updated my windoze machine and
Java didn't have any problems.
Update Redhat and all hell breaks loose, Java
Oracle and some other apps I tried. (in beta)
Your lack of customer concern is worrying, eg
"nothing we can do about it", did you report it? Have they fixed it? Whats the status here? Is Redhat serious about the enterprise or what.
Bob answered most questions except the standardization issue. That KDE and Gnome does hurt Linux more than it helps. Microsoft knows this which is why Doug Miller mentioned it and if there is one thing Microsoft has experience with its gui toolkits and how ISVs use them.
We do not have the resources at my company to test KDE *and* Gnome. Its one or the other, current status is that we will not support KDE but its been a very difficult decision.
This is reality, hopefully someone else can point
out how they can develop for both toolkits and
support them and be successful at it
IBM to linux community
"All your bases are belong to me" (sic)
While open sourcers have been busy innovating and coding. IBMs lawyers and employees (don't forget they are "goaled" on how many patents they have submitted) have been busying patenting the stuff.
IBM have historically quietly made millions from "licensing" their patent portfolio. Maybe Bruce found out how much HP has paid IBM for desktop patents in the past?
er ibm can the F1 key for help patent be public domain, thnks
The EULA OEM license, is an agreement between you and the hardware manufacturer only. That software was only licensed for that exact hardware, and no other machine. I can sell the old machine with the software as a whole unit. I cannot buy a blank dell machine and delete the software from my old machine and install it on a new machine.
Its all there in the End user license agreement.
Apparently there was a similiar issue for MS select customers too
First let me state that I do believe there are some companies that are abusing site licensees etc for one reason or another.
However even bonafider companies are being screwed by Microsoft.
I don't have a site license at my office, its too small. However previous versions of NT etc that came installed on a PC are *not* transferable to
newer machines. Most of our machines are in theory
running two copies of NT. Two copies of Visual C++
, two copies of office. You do the math....
Hardward like the Tandem non-stop and Sun E10000
and any other fault tolerant system does hot swappable anything. Granted they lifted
the idea from mainframes but they are the new(ish)
kids on the block who know all the tricks....