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Mandrake 8.0 Comes Out
Boban Acimovic writes "New Mandrake 8.0 is finally out. Official announcement will come today, but new ISO files are already on some of mirrors. Main improvements are kernel =2.4.3, KDE =2.1.1, GNOME 1.4, Nautilus 1.0, Evolution 0.9, XFree86 =4.0.3, RPM 4.0, improved installer with pictures and other nice stuff. Enjoy!" Thanks to Gael Duval, from Mandrake for letting me know - the main features are listed as well as the new features page. But one of the cooler parts is a new part with Mandrake-Linux that will let you donate to the Free Software project of your choice in Mandrake - that's at at Linux-Mandrake.com. Update: 04/19 12:27 PM by H :Newsforge has got a article with more mirrors as well.
Try http://www.kde.org. Right now, most of the apps that support AA text use the QT toolkit (e.g. Konqueror).
First, Mandrake was forked from Red Hat, but that was years ago. They build their distro on "cooker", their own development branch, not on Red Hat's latest release.
Second, the fact that their release is right after Red Hat's is purely coincidental.
Third, Mandrake supports free software projects, for example they pay the salaries of David Faure (KDE hacker), Jeff Garzig (kernel janitor) and I think they are looking at hiring a Gnome hacker.
A happy SuSE user.
Yet another Mozilla syndrome. ("Yeah, I know last release sucked beyond all belief, but the latest nightly builds have changed everything, try them!")
But even a fully updated debian box doesn't have software that has been available for months. What good is an "update" if the updates are all obsolete?
> BTW: I noticed a tiny bug in slashcode. That link I submitted above has no space in it between winmag.ne[here]t.
/. by posting very long words.
No you did not. It is a feature to avoid us trolls to destroy the formatting of
Cheers,
--fred
*Very big* difference. mod_ssl and php are not working in RC1. I know, I package them ;-)
Too lazy to login.
We are just testing to see if two big announcements in one week can bring complete internet infrastructure down. LOL! .-)
And I told Kadjo about diference between kernel and Xfree yesterday. .-) Don't worry, it's still April 2001 and 2.4.3 kernel.
You have only been planing to send the email, but dosens of other people have actually been DEMANDING this donation page since we published the MandrakeFreak.
Nay, I don't think you will change the club: as long as you are happy with BSD, you'll probably stick to it. But I do think that many other people will go for "MandrakeSecurity", simply because it will be easy to use as a firewall.
As of "security audit" question, that's an ongoing quest. All linux vendors spend more-and-more time auditing the code, that's why we have so many security updates this year.
nvidia drivers are where they belong: on commercial CDs. You do not expect us to put these binary-only bastards in the main distribution, do you?
But, don't worry: all nvidia cards work out of the box, you simply don't have full 3D acceleration until you have installed nvidia drivers.
Just wait untill you see our new "MandrakeSecurity", you may change your mind about the firewalling and/or "servers" part. .-)
Mandrake 7.1 supports reiserfs on / just fine. Or at least, if it doesn't then I'm really luck since I've been using it and it's been rock solid. :-)
Great plan; too bad Mandrake is based on RH.
Stating on Slashdot that I like cheese since 1997.
As subject... I tried beta 3 after being happy with Mandrake 7 and 7.1, but found the installer to be very buggy. Half the time it would stop with a random error message, sometimes it would miss questions out, and I never got X working properly.
Is the release version okay? (Although I'm reluctant to change now I have Debian working okay!)
Unless you're using IMAP which is really pretty broken still... (even in nightlies).
-jay
This is not a way to run a successful business in the long run.
It depends on how you define "successful". Is Mandrake ever going to be a huge multi-billion dollar corporation? Probably not. Can they make enough money to fund themselves and their activities going forward and have a huge following of devoted users who love what they do? Most likely yes.
I think most Mandrake users would consider the company very successful by the latter senario.
... Has anyone tried doing a freshen update from RH6.2 to this?
I'd like to move my home server over to Mandrake, but I need to find a big enough dump medium to do really tricky stuff, plus my situation (I boot off the BP6 primary master ATA66, where IIRC tboot support for highpoint chips isn't "supported") is a little too custom for a reinstall to be worth the hours of tweaking (pulling the HDD, putting it on the secondary onboard IDE, doing the install, disabling the secondary onboard IDE, booting) that a simple RH->RH freshen would obviate.
Your Working Boy,
- Otis (GAIM: OtisWild)
Awesome, thanks!
Mandrake80-inst.iso: ETA: 77:56 6.25/645.91 MB 140.09 kB/s
The last thing we need to do is legitimize a rogue patch. IMO it was a bad move for them to release "gcc 2.96". Suffice it to say, I'm disappointed. I switched to Mandrake *because* Redhat used the rogue patch, and now Mandrake do the same.
http://www.warpedsystems.sk.ca/sections.php?op=vie warticle&artid=12
Right at the bottom....
-- I care not for your foolish signatures.
-Yenya
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While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it has to be. --Linus
I've used RedHat for a long time, but I'd much rather use KDE than Gnome (I don't like the style of the GUI and it has some annoying inconsistencies which KDE doesn't). I like Mandrake's approach in that they're pretty up to date (I'm using this for notebooks and desktops, so features are a lot more important than a server installation), they use RPM (which makes my life easier since it's becoming the de-facto standard, it seems) and they're very KDE friendly... I'm starting to get the feeling that it's time to move to a different distribution.
How easy is it to do an upgrade from, say, RH7 to Mandrake 8? I've yet to find conclusive evidence that it works well and I don't want to do a clean install (mostly due to laziness: Any extra time needed would be a big inhibitor).
DS
Maybe you're not aware of it but Mandrake contributes quiet a bit to the community as well. Have you looked at their projects page? And have you tried urpmi? It's the rpm equivalent of apt-get. I don't see that anywhere in Redhat (granted, I haven't used Redhat in a while). I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Redhat, but Mandrake differs greatly from them and IMHO, they are vastly superior.
I just saw 8.0RC1 yesterday on the mirrors and burned the ISOs. Is there any difference between that and the final release? Since there is only a one-day difference, I can't imagine it would be much if anything.
bp
At least post a copy of their mirror page.
java also seems not to install !
I had problems with the redhat betas and this mandrake boxen is really takeing the p^&*
IBM will sort it out though dont trust Sun is what I have learnt in doing java on linux
(havent tryed the 1.3.1 tho will have a look soon)
like I said they ship 4.0.2 and redhat ship 4.0.3
so which has the more up to date ?
work it out this was said in my first post
regards
john jones
erm I know you dont provide them
/usr/bin/cut not found
/download rpm from here" you have not downloaded them with this version or you would get errors !
theyll work without a problem NOPE
error
please try and have some experance before you tell me "oh just apt
oh and linux 2.4.3 has massive probs with FS cruption but hey that dont matter !
regards
john jones
why has mandrake fallen behind
did they bais what they did not what redhat was doing in the betas ?
redhat seem to have newer versions of things like XFree86 and the only thing that makes mandrake good id the KDE support
also the download cypto option has gone that was in 7
so what gives ?
regards
john jones
So if you have problems compiling stuff, that's because you only installed the 1st one, or had the desktop version sold in Wal-Mart.
And xchat is working, I use it all the time to go on IRC...
[root@ADVX jmdault]# rpm -qf /usr/lib/libdl.so
glibc-devel-2.2.2-4mdk
[root@ADVX jmdault]# cat /etc/mandrake-release
Linux Mandrake release 8.0 (Traktopel) for i586
[root@ADVX jmdault]#
So I can directly use my old copy of Matlab (like in Mandrake 7.1, unlike Mandrake 7.2). It was an hassle having to dig around to get it.
If not, it's one more reason to try Debian.
"come off crisp and play up to the cynic
clean and schooled right down to the minute"
SEO Copywriter. Just Say ON
Nautilus is a whore to manually install on Mandrake, so this is a godsend to the Mandrake update utility IMO. Does this mean Eazel now fully supports the Mandrake architecture, or do users continue using Redhat rpms? I notice the Nautilus installers are still for Redhat exclusively.
"come off crisp and play up to the cynic
clean and schooled right down to the minute"
SEO Copywriter. Just Say ON
"Some other companies" being SuSE, eh? :-)
FYI, Red Hat is exactly like Mandrake in this respect, you can get the ISOs immediately when the new release is announced, and have to wait for some weeks if you want to buy the box. I really like that trust in the users.
GNU/Linux. The Freshmaker.
I'm curious, what doesn't work in Red Hat? :)
One nice thing with Mandrake vs. Redhat is they are quite good at supporting newer things without breaking old stuff. For example, I have had good USB support in Mandrake using the 2.2.17 kernel. 2.2 didn't have usb support directly. Mandrake backrevved the newer code into it....sweet stuff. Just yesterday I plugged a flash card reader into my USB port, and after probing the appropriate usb-store module (doesn't get done by default), I had a working flash device. That simple!
Uh, Red Hat had 2.2-backported USB with Red Hat 7 too. So it's not exactly an advantage over the other.
GNU/Linux. The Freshmaker.
No, it has been that way for several years now. I believe it started with 6.0.
GNU/Linux. The Freshmaker.
You mean the previous lack of support, do you? :-)
I'm glad it works for you now.
Or how 'bout ReiserFS (in since at least 7.2)? Yeah, yeah, we know, it isn't good enough for a production environment. That's why we say it's a good DESKTOP distro. I ain't exactly serving the Yahoo! homepage. The power outage frequency here in SF means that I'm better off taking a little risk with Reiser than sticking with ext2.
I'm not understanding the logic here. Is potential unrecoverable fs corruption better than e2fsck running once in a while at startup? I believe this is even more important for desktop systems, what's on my /home on my desktop is really important to me, but I can't afford expensive backup systems like in "production environments". So avoiding massive data corruption seems important to me in *any* environment.
GNU/Linux. The Freshmaker.
I have used just about every version of windows and loaded it on countles systems but I have also bought more versions of linux then I can remember even though I download the iso's as soon as they are available
Isn't it odd that I steal the nonfree software and pay for the free software?
http://Lenny.com
I use Debian for the firewalling
Debian for the servers
and Debian for the desktop
But I'm not dedicated to a particular distribution... or am I?
I don't know if this is what you're talking about, but look at these pages: http://www.mandrakeforum.org/article.php?sid=730&m ode=thread&order=0&thold=0 and http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/18267.html
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
Errr, lt mousewheel support has been in there for some time, as long as you're willing to edit the X configuration. Hopefully it is set up for you in the installation with this version.
Single User Mode, its really nice. No Login, KDE, bad security but for the beginer its good.
It is _not_ bad for security, when used by a home user, the home user have a much more secure access control, called "the front door".
If you can access the hardware, there are not much security in a password anyway, unless you are talking encryption, and that is not the case here.
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Dont mess with my e-mail adress
I didn't even knew that XFree 4.0.3 was out !
resilience is futile
Not at all: They offer it for download to not enrage the Linux community, but rather they would like you to buy the CD's instead. If the mirrors are overloaded, chances for people rushing out to the store to buy a set increase.
I think it's great that Mandrake is easy for non-Unix people to get into, but I like it for a slightly different reason.
I admin a bunch of SGI boxes, some NetBSD servers, a little Tru64 and a room full of RedHat machines.
When I get home, I don't want to be a sysadmin any more. I just want to click on the Unreal Tournament icon and kill some people. Mandrake lets me do that with minimal fuss. That's why I'm a fan.
More of my money is heading their way real soon.
Wasting your time since 1997.
http://mandrakeforum.com
This is the general news forum and discussion board for Mandrake, it contains (or will contain, the format just changed) all the announcements and discussions for ALL the Mandrake sites. There are links on the left to the sites you want:
http://www.mandrakeuser.org
This is meant to have all the knowledge base articles for Mandrake. It seems to be down at the moment, but it does have a section on networking from what I remember.
http://mandrakecampus.com
This is the free Linux training site, and it provides instructions on setting up Mandrake for both desktop and server stuff. This does have a section on NFS setup and the like. If neither of these sites fix your specific problem there is:
http://mandrakeexpert.com
This is a combination knowledge base/expert question-answer site. You can post problems and other questions and find an expert to answer them.
If all else fails there are two Mandrake mailing lists available (newbie and expert) and you can try to post your problem as an article to MandrakeForum too.
G'D Luck!
"I'll take the red pill, no, blue. AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH........"
"I'll take the red pill. No! Blue! AAAaaaahhhhhhhhh"
- Monty Python meets the Matrix
All Mandrake does is really "customize" RedHat's release with some more cutting edge tools and give nothing back to the community other then a few buggy GUI configuration tools.
... and ...
;-)
For your information, MandrakeSoft has several important Open Source developers in its team, David Faure for the KDE project, Jay Beale for Bastille Linux, Mosfet again for KDE, several GNOME hackers, Yoann for Prelude (IDS), they maintain the Plex86 project. They have recently hired the maintainer of PHP-Nuke, created a free online training site (MandrakeCampus) and
Do you want more ?
I really don't want Mandrake to "simply" add something to Redhat especially if it is just eye candies.
"Bill knows the importance of providing a consistent user interface. That is why he is happy to leave themeing outside of windows."
you are just _WRONG_, maybe you have not heard yet that one of the most awaited feature coming in the next Windows release (XP) is theme support (never heard about Luna, maybe you should read some IT/geeks website). They are just kicking Stardock out of the game just like they did with Real and others.
You seem to be very aware of what's in Linux and Windows but now you must admit you slept the 2 last years and have just woke up
Did you tell the same thing when they were "working" with Real ?
A gay distribution? Whatever next darling? ;-)
Tales from behind the Lagom Curtain
I note you're valid complaints. But, I've always had a big problem with the "what about color blind" people argument? Should the other 90% of the population suffer becuase some people are color blind? Are you saying Color Blind people shoujld not be allowed to drive cars(Red/Yellow/Green)?
There is an alternative for the small color identifation challenged people- it's called the text install. I for one applaud Mandrake's choice to be non-conformist, I am sick of checkboxes. Ok, for a day-to-day use, standard mnemonics should be used to maintain consitancy(ie.: checkboxes), but I find it refereshing to see something different for an installer(something you hopefully DON'T use day to day)
H.
What's the correct file name? The link mentions that files named "Traktopel" are pre-release candidates, and not the rel thing. The only ISO's I can find are named :
8.0-Traktopel-rc1-CD1.iso
8.0-Traktopel-rc1-CD2.iso
Are these the final release, or the "beta"?
If you are going to use ISO's (which is what everyone is doing these day's right?) get both cd's. Like most multi-cd distributions you can install from just the first disk and have a working system. In the past this is how I have always done it, and just downloaded extra stuff as I needed them. On Mandrake though, the first disk is taken up almost entirely by GUI oriented stuff (aside from the base) and has very little in the way of command line utilities or devloper applications. My advice is that you get ISO's for disks 1 and 2 burned before you begin the installation, otherwise you will miss a lot of apps and not even know it until you try to use them.
Sigs are awesome huh?
Unstable ?
Ofcourse machines vary but ive been using on and off evolution from the first release and yeah it has had its hellish days but since 0.8 come out it has been a pleasure. It crashes few times every now and then but nothing major has happened like mbox corruption ( that has happened in earlier releases ) and i have a tendency to donload cvs snapshots via redcarpet allmost daily.
Plain words, Evolution is the best email client for those who feel confortable with outlook express. Im happy.
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yush
I can't believe that you are really asking that. This is the mother of all flamebaits :-).
Oh well, maybe the number of hits on slashdot is low, and a flame feast would make CmdTaco & Co more happy (I know, these are difficult times for pernguin-friendly business!).
Ciao
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FB
I literally fininished downloading and burning the beta 3 CDs as I was going to bed last night. Heh.
Last night I shot an elephant in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas I'll never know.
I believe the video has be /.ed I'm running a full T1 and the thing is timing out on me.
The Swedish mirror listed above does not have the Linux-Mandrake 8.0 release iso-image...
We have a mirror with the iso's synced here at the Dalarna University in Sweden.
http://ftp.du.se/pub/mandrake/iso or ftp://ftp.du.se/pub/mandrake/iso
100 Mbps! Help us fill it! ;)
Seth
$5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
Or how 'bout ReiserFS (in since at least 7.2)? Yeah, yeah, we know, it isn't good enough for a production environment. That's why we say it's a good DESKTOP distro. I ain't exactly serving the Yahoo! homepage. The power outage frequency here in SF means that I'm better off taking a little risk with Reiser than sticking with ext2.
The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
2.2r3 was also released Monday night.
The only "intuitive" interface is the nipple. After that, it's all learned.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
Actually, both 'dyslexic' and 'dyslectic' are correct, but not 'dislectic'.
Find funky gifts
Don't you mean dyslexic? I'm sorry but it seemed kind of important seeing as your were on about spelling.
Find funky gifts
I've been posting on the net since 1994 and I still haven't come up with a good sig!
I tried to install a $40 version of Mandrake to compare it to Debian. The PartitionMagic and BootMagic programs included were so crippled as to be useless. This shows how programs not under GPL don't work when included with such an OS. Spending an extra $100 for 2 pieces of installation software is a bit steep. Then the desktop will want $50, $10 for ppp, $10 for telnet, $10 for man pages, etc.
- James - [IMAGE]
How easy is it to setup a root reiserfs partition? I made my
Do you have to use an expert mode, or are you given a choice?
Hey, this sounds like a decent idea, actually. But a quick question. I haven't played with partitions in a while. Can I blow away one partition and repartition it into 2 new ones, then rewrite the tables, without harming the
Many thanks,
I
Well, this all makes sense, and I remember the thing about the extended partitions, but I'll have to go do some reading, anyhow, just to make sure. Thanks for the reminder & great post.
I
I use Debian for the firewalling
Debian for the servers
and Debian for the desktop
So what're you trying to say? Come on, spit it out! Oh, I get it, I have to read between the lines.
I'm not sure, but I think he uses Debian.
No thanks. I don't smoke anymore.
Relinquish
What's wrong with people asking to donate? Hell! I have a donation page on my personal web site that offers boring information about me through Paypal. Why? Because I can, and it took me 5 seconds to set up. If one person laughs at it and sends $1, it paid for itself. I don't actually expect people to donate, but if for some strange reason they feel like doing it, why not give them the opportunity =).
Non-commercial Linux might survive as a niche OS, just maybe, fueled by hobbyist and academic interest, so long as a dedicated core set of developers was willing to put in the time for free. But, if you want to see Linux play in the big leagues, someone is gonna have to figure out how to make money off of it.
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
Now, there's an idea. How about an occasional online version of the inevitable PBS fund drive?
-- Slashdot: When Public Access TV Says "No"
I just installed Mandrake 7.2 and I do have talk.
And gdb. And apache.
Why? Because instead of taking the easy was out and doing the recommended install, I did the custom install with individual package selection and auto dependencies.
Problem solved. Mandrake has everything including the kitchen sink, but its not going to dump everything on you during a recommended install. If you are a power user, then do the extra work and choose the packages yourself.
I'm sticking with Debian unstable. :-P
Of course, I forgot to mention that next time I type "cat /etc/redhat-release" it might say: :)
Redhat 7.1 Wolverine
But actually it will probably say Debian Unstable
Unless I can get suspend to disk working with Redhat's new laptop installation class, without having to compile in SysRq to the kernel. Fingers crossed...
http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:win2000mag.n
This is google's cached copy. The original link isn't working for some reason.
Quoting:
Source Date: March 8,2001. So I guess I haven't been asleep for two years.
BTW: I noticed a tiny bug in slashcode. That link I submitted above has no space in it between winmag.ne[here]t. It appears like this on story preview submission though.
I have the same here, had no problems durring install. It went perfectly, found everything on my system first shot.
until (succeed) try { again(); }
until (succeed) try { again(); }
I don't think that they have fixed it. You'e talking about a DFI board, aren't you? I have a p5bv3+ wich is extremely similar to the k6bv3+, and it refuses to deal correctly with most of my ATAPI CD-Roms. However, the drives work just fine with installing and use on my Athlon MB, an Epox 8kta3.
I also have the problem on an old Micron computer with a p133. You might try flashing the BIOS for the MB, but the last BIOS from DFI for my board was put out about 15 months ago. Somehow, I don't think they're going to come out with a new one anytime soon. It still did not fix the problem, even though the changelog makes tantalizing references to fixing the CD-ROM transfer of very large files, and unspecified "Linux 6.0"[sic] problems. I'm guessing that they're referring to Redhat 6.0. I AM able to install the distro on the computer, but I have to use my Yahmaha CD-RW.
It connects with a different protocol, so i'm guessing that that's what the problem is. All other CD drives work just dandy with other distros like Redhat, and Debian, but I like Mandrake, and so I put up with not having a CD-drive in the machine.
So, to sum up, DL and flash the new BIOS, try other CD drives, stick with LM7.1, or switch to another Distro. Or maybe, just maybe, we can band together with some other people that have similar problems and bug them to fix the issue.
If you had done any background reading before posting about something you didn't know, you would see that people requested that mandrake set up a donations page. http://mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=694&lang= en
<high-level position here>
<name of stupid small company here>
Thank God they don't do that for kernel patches!
Stealth Dave
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Evil is as eval("does");
I got scared away when I had to go through a bunch of crap to get Mandrake 7.2 to notice that my hard drive was attached to the Promise Ultra66 built into my A7V motherboard. Am I gonna have to go through that again if I try 8.0? It was a real pisser last time when the installer went in to an infinite loop because it couldn't find a drive to install to.
I love the donations page I just can't justify purchasing a cd when first off I have an oc-48 pipe at work and secondly the manuals do me little good as I'm usally bound up in the latest releases of software and understand the feature sets months before mandrake releases them as an iso. But I love being able to install mandrake on my gf's laptop and not have to worry about her getting hacked at school.
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
ok, maybe you were just joking, but i had to put 0.02$ in.
what's wrong with slow w/ lots of crashes? in an age where stability and performance are KEY! i'd say it's the difference between making it and loosing it in this market. they way the browsers are on linux is really sad, although i would say the mozilla folks are doign a great job. if ms would release IE for linux, closed source and all, and it was stable, and fast, i imagine you'de see people switch in a heartbeat. that's one major thing this linux is in dire need of to be a stable desktop that people can use to surf the net. and great net surfing application.
<SERIOUS>
I think the donation part is a great idea. Let's help keep a good thing going
</SERIOUS>
Ummmm.... did you notice the list of enhancements? New generation of kernel, glibc, gcc, RPM. Sounds like a new major version number is REQUIRED here considering there may be some binary compatibilty issues here with the 7.x series of Mandrake Linux.
Anyone else love the irony in that statement?
If it's a go it's a go.
These guys are smart enough to know when their product is ready or not, we should give them some credit on a speedy process.
I am currently not obliged to divulge that information as it might compromise the agents in the field
It's a VIA issue, not linux or otherwise. The chipset's bios corrupts data when you have two IDE drives on two separate ide channels tranferring to each other a file over 100 MB's in size. A bios update needs to be issued. You don't here about this issue when running windows, because they always crash anyway... and no, I'm not kidding. Anyhow, that's the status. Read through http://groups.google.com/groups?oi=djq&as_ugroup=f a.linux.kernel for up to date info on how the kernel is working around the hardware.
If you want latest and greatest, switch to Debian Sid. Debian stable is for people, that want to use stable and thoroughly tested distribution.
Mine is SuSE Linux. It really feels much more solid than Mandrake or RedHat. I used Mandrake 7.2 and it turned the standart look into this childish look. I prefer standart looks (although SuSE does change the desktop a bit either). Moreover I think SuSE has the better timing. When they will release SuSE 7.2 (or 8.0?) there will be perhaps a usable beta of KDE 2.2 out (or even kde 2.2 final as it is planned for july).
I hope they fixed this version. Ever since the kernel update for Man7.1 I have not been able to install any newer versions. It had something to do with their kernel. I told them about it. Maybe they fixed it.
Their kernel had an issue with K6BV3+ mb's
Mikey
let's home they included mod_php in this release....
Besides being easy to install an use, mandrake also provides good manuals and online tutorials. Check out their online tutorial for setting up a ppp connection for example. Some of you may find these tutorials trivial perhaps, but this is the stuff that will lure beginning computer users away from M$, since it effectively remove the fear of "doing something wrong".
I intend to live forever, so far so good.
Taken from the press release...
A great number of graphic cards are automatically detected and 3D acceleration is operational without further configuration, such as Matrox G200/G400, Voodoo III/V/Banshee, Intel i810 & i815, ATI Rage 128/Pro, 3D Rage XL/EC, 3D Rage LT, Nvidia, GeForce I, II...
Does anyone know if this means that, out of the box, my Voodoo3 will be detected and appropriate drivers will be installed for it? Or will I still have to go through the extra steps of downloading Mesa and DRI and recompiling XFree to have DRI support etc.?
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Bleah! Heh heh heh... BLEAH BLEAH!!! Ha ha ha ha...
Mandrake on my desktops at home and at work.
No windoze partition to be found on any of them.
So, Slackware doesn't have obsolete libs huh? C'mon :)- --
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You think Bill Gates is evil?
Site is slashdotted, here is a cached copy of their ftp mirrors on Google. It is for 7.2 but some of them should have 8.0 already.
Maybe it is a good idea to setup an automatic temporary /. mirror for the links mentioned in last ten stories? Maybe people will actually *pay* OSDN to setup such a thing!
Hmmm, KWhore sounds like an interesting package for KDE ;-)
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Codeala - Just another mindless drone
Mandrake has an excellent front end from start to finish, it just screan user-friendliness. This is exactly what we need to introduce new users to Linux.
First the installer (DrakeX) is completely point & click, icons driven with in depth step by step description with each option. Good hardware detection as you would expect with all the latest installers. When you reboot you are greeted by a nice graphical bootup screen (Aurora) that use icons to replace the standard text-based startup checklist. This is much etter than that bloody progress bar on Windows that don't seems go anywhere.
Mandrake also has the most Windows like desktop configured for you using KDE. Common things like Control Panel, 'Start' button, etc are all there. A Windows user will feel right at home (a less observant user may even think he is using W2K or XP ;-)
Also all packages are compiled for i586 by default, excellent to silence those clueless drones that think blah-i386.blah is automatically bad.
Now you may not be impressed by this stuff, but your typical M$ slaves will really be surprised that Linux is not just a clone of a "decades old text-driven legacy OS"! Even if you don't use Mandrake yourself, burn (or better yet BUY) a copy to give/burrow to your friends.
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Someone? Anyone?
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Does Microsoft have to ask for handouts after a release of their OS? I take that selling support isn't going tremendously well either.
True MS doesnt ask for handouts. You have to rethink your stance though. Think about WHEN MS became big. Around 1995-1996 with Windows 95. Why? Becuase there was no alternative and computers were just hitting the main stream. All MS had to do was ride the wave. They got lucky, a LOT of companies start out by being lucky on one thing. Today is very different. The majority of people dont know about Linux. They dont want to know and they dont care. Their Windows computer works just fine for internet surfing.
The Linux companies CANNOT charge for their products becuase they are all similar and you can get it somewhere else for free. And with newsgroups and email lists, tech support becomes trivial. I agree with you that they're pretty much screwed but Supply and Demand comes brutually into play especially when its free.
These same companies cant make proprietary software because the Linux uses bitch about their GPL and FREE software. They are basically fucked. Dont think im Linux bashing becuase I'm not. I use Linux daily and I do think it eventually will become competition for the desktop market. Stability and power will be the selling points. With the restricting Windows XP and as computer users become more and more knowledgeable they will move to os's that let them do what they want to. Mandrake will be powerful in this regard with its simple install and ease of use. Give it time, it will happen, if I had to guess, 2 - 5 years.
Arathres
I love my iBook. I use it to run Linux!
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It is true that it's still illegal to export crypto from the US, but it's not illegal to import crypto into the US (and Mandrake, being a French company is allowed to do this).
I haven't downloaded the Mandrake 8.0 final yet.. using Mandrake 8.0 beta 2.
gcc is 2.96. I haven't run into problems though.
Upgrading a Mandrake 7.1 system to 7.2 was somewhat of a disaster. I'd suggest wiping the disk (after backing up /home and os forth).
Fat university connection here, can't answer about pppoe.
Mandrake uses /etc/rc.d/init.d , but symlinks /etc/init.d to point there. Mandrake's general goal as far as organization goes is to try and accomodate Red Hat and non-Red Hat locations.
I installed my beta in about 30 minutes. A quick run of bastille to secure the system, some unnecessary lilo tweaks (Mandrake tends to use GRUB, which is much better, imho). I spent another hour upgrading sawfish (just to be on the bleeding edge) and other assorted programs, but that's not really necessary. urpmi is a good idea, and a step closer to apt-get.
Mandrake 8.0 has:
./post.
Kernel 2.4.3
XFree86 4.03
Not 2.4.2 and 4.02 as is in the
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> I'm sure there are others too.
Yes. Francisco Burzi, creator of PHP-Nuke, for instance...
I love it. Competition. Maybe this will force the distros to actually come up with decent mirrors.
No. I don't think they're looking for appreciation here. They're after cold hard cash. If developers seek appreciation they ususally ask to be sent a postcard or a bottle of beer etc. This is just plain saying "We work for free but we're not gonna survive if you don't give us your dosh so pick up that wallet and support our commune. This is different from a few hackers trying to get kudos. This is a struggling business trying to sustain itself on an unrealistic business plan.
No, I wasn't "trolling". Everyone should be concerened about the fincancial health of linux companies because they're dropping like flies. And I'd like to see at least some survive in the long shot.
Your pizza just the way you ought to have it.
Look I'm a big Mandrak fan but I'm concerned about its future as a company. Because all their stuff is deeply rooted in this GPL dogma they can't break out of the pack and truly innovate. They will be stuck scrapping through and asking for handouts just to make basic living. This is not a way to run a successful business in the long run.
Your pizza just the way you ought to have it.
Cheers,
Bob
Your pizza just the way you ought to have it.
Could someone post (and presumably gain mucho +5 informative moderation points) a quick run down of what makes Mandrake Mandrake, ie strengths, weaknesses, packaging format, level of security, that kind of thing? There's a bunch of people posting that they really like it "because it's great on the desktop" but what makes it special?
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eh... something is seriously wrong with that font. It looks truly ugly. I thought KDE antialiasing used FreeType's renderer? It is a LOT better than that? What has happened??
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Thanks for the link. I assume you work for Mandrake. Freak isn't for me because I have dial-up. I was just wondering. If you can tell me, how much consideration has Mandrake put into setting up a subscription service where the cd's are mailed out ever month or so. Walnut Creek does this for BSD I believe. I would definitely pay $40 a year for that kind of service. More depending on what it was like.
I've really been wanting to donate to you guys for a long time. It's easier for me to cough up a little bit at a time than all at once. You guys are one of the few distros that really seems to add something other than just packaging. Thanks.
But Yogi, the RIAA won't like that.
The donation thing was great. In fact, I had been planning to send them an email asking them if they would set up something like this. I like to just get a cheapbytes cd, because I'm familiar with them and it's just easy for me. But just taking the free version makes me feel guilty because these guys sure have worked their hearts out.
It's also great because you can donate to the particular section of mandrake that your interested in. Like kernel or installer. I personally would love a subscription model where I payed so and so a month to get develepmont iso's. I think Mandrake is doing this. Tell me if you have any info about it.
I've been using Mandrake 8.0 beta 2 for the last week. It's just awesome. I used to be very cynical when I heard people claim that Linux would take over the desktop world. I ate those words when I installed. KDE 2 rocks. GNOME rocks which suprised me even more. Mandrake rocks.
Viva la Mandrake
But Yogi, the RIAA won't like that.
I'm using 8.0 beta 2 and I haven't had any problem with fonts. The font server is still there. I should mention that I installed an incredibly huge number of fonts on my system. Maybe over the 1000 mark. I haven't had any slowdown. That's one of the reasons I'm so happy with this release. It's so fast. Mandrake 7.1 was slow on my system. I'm using the beta now and I'm not even sure if I'm going to upgrade until 8.1. It's that good.
But Yogi, the RIAA won't like that.
Mandrake 7.2 used to rely on Xfree-xfs font server to serve up fonts instead of using the font path options in xfreeconfig to just let the server get on with its business. Unfortunately this package was buggy and seemed to fall over after 3/4 months of use. This is a common problem as many usenet postings will attest. Has this been fixed? And is kde2.1.1 built with antialiasing and a working freetype? the cooker rpms for freetype seem also to be broke
The thing is... they're not really asking for "handouts" (sic) for themselves. They're saying "Hey look, there's all this cool stuff, why not show them your appreciation and volunteer a contribution"?
MS and other non-free software companies say "You MUST show your appreciation, whether you appreciate it or not; give us money i.e. non-voluntary contribution".
You're entitled to your opinion of what failure is... me? I prefer the Free Software approach.
Thanks
ok thanks. i couldn't find anything but this seems to be the only available image i've been able to find. not exactly perfect; i think most would agree.
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i was angry:1 with:2 my:4 friend - i told:3 4 wrath:5, 4 5 did end.
i was angry:1 with:2 my:4 friend - i told:3 4 wrath:5, 4 5 did end.
i was 1 2 4 foe i 3 it not 4 5 did grow
How is the newbie firewall setup compared to the redhat 7.1 tool to setup simple firewalls?
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Not as awesome as FreeBSD, but Mandrake Linux is rather swell and nifty.
We are working with Ximian in order to make their next version of Ximian GNOME compatible with LM 8.0 In the mean time, try our version of GNOME 1.4 :)
has anyone successfully installed Mandrake 8 via ftp? during the file installation process, i keep getting, "operation died". tried every ftp mirror i could find and always the same problem. i'm linux-less right now...partitioned & formatted my red hat linux hd to install it. btw, the coolest thing i noticed so far (granted, i haven't actually really used it) was support for my logitech mousewheel!!! hope to be scrollin' in style soon! welp, if anyone had success with ftp install, please lemme know.
Thanks a lot!
It's awfuly slow. Here's the feature list.
Linux-Mandrake 8.0 provides a completely graphical installation process including "point and click" disk partitioning. Define disk partitions, including Windows partitions, with just a few clicks of the mouse. And, depending on the power of your system, a typical Linux-Mandrake 8.0 installation can be performed in 30 minutes or less. View demo
Automated hardware configuration Linux-Mandrake is widely known as the Linux distribution with the best hardware detection and configuration abilities. Thanks to built-in hardware detection, Linux-Mandrake can detect and automatically configure many of the most recent hardware devices. Kernel 4.0.3 provides enhanced support for USB, Infrared and FireWire devices, as well as better performance with AMD and Cyrix CPUs, support for sound cards based on ESS Solo1, NeoMagic 256AV/256ZX and VIA 82Cxxx chipsets, improved SMP (symmetric multiprocessing) support, and much, much more. View demo
Simplified system maintenance The new user-friendly Mandrake Control Center makes it easy to manage and configure your Mandrake box. View a demo
Linux-Mandrake 8.0 main benefits
">Graphical environments
The famous Linux desktops GNOME 1.4 and KDE 2.1.1 are fully integrated with Linux-Mandrake 8.0. Discover these and many other graphical environment such as WindowMaker, Sawfish, Enlightenment, and six other favorites.
">Installation
DrakX is our famous Open Source graphical installer. DrakX provides built-in hardware detection and two installation modes for the various skill levels of users. Internet and network connections can be configured during installation with full support of ADSL and RNIS technologies. Additionally, nearly 50 different languages are available in DrakX.
">System maintenance
With the new Mandrake Control Center, all tools are now located in one centralized environment. From this one location you can easily perform most system tasks including customizing the video display, setting the system clock, configure network settings, install & remove software, take control of running services, and dozens of other crucial system tasks.
">Kernel
Linux-Mandrake provides the latest Linux kernel 2.4.3. You'll also find two customized kernels "kernel secure" (for servers that need added security) and "kernel enterprise" (for high workloads).
">Graphical interface
Xfree86 4.0.3 is the default graphical server which includes many new features and support for additional video hardware.
">MandrakeUpdate
Mandrake Update lets you easily update your system automatically through the Internet. You'll find MandrakeUpdate a great help for staying current with the latest security releases.
">MandrakeExpert
Direct access from the desktop to MandrakeExpert.com (MandrakeSoft's e-support website) allows you to obtain answers directly from registered "experts". With the purchase of Linux-Mandrake 8.0 you'll receive 30, 60, or 90 days (depending on the product) of MandrakeExpert installation support with 48 hour response time. With Linux-Mandrake 8.0, you benefit from the help of the best Open Source experts in just a few clicks.
">Development tools
Integrated Development environments: Linux-Mandrake includes the latest visual environments KDevelop, QtDesigner and Glade.
Programming languages: Choose from over 10 programming languages including C, C++, Java, Perl, PHP, Python, Fortran, Pascal, etc.
All source code included: Open Source gives you the opportunity to view and modify, debug or add functionalities to software.
I would be very surprised to see anything more up-to-date in RH than in LM distribution (well, I'm sure one could find a few proggies, but definitively not important ones like X). As for "download crypto" option, it's gone because it isn't needed anymore. "Crypto" has been legalised in USA, so we have no reason to omit it from ISOs anymore.
FYI, unlike some other companies Mandrakesoft lets people download the ISOs as soon as they are finished. This means that people will have ca. one monat of time for downloads before boxes hit the shops. This doesn't seam to hurt our sales, and we hope that at least some of people who download the ISOs will be happy to donate some money for further developement of their favorite distribution.
Hardly compliant with your paranoic idea, isn't it?
Reality is much simpler: it's hard to find people ready to mirror tons of different ISOs and directories. If you are willing to offer your super-ultra ftp server as a mirror, feel free to contact us imediately.
You can find MandrakeFreq at Cheapbytes for $4.99.
There is also supposed to be a list of other resellers at this page (according to the news at http://www.linux-mandrake.com/ ) - http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/range/mandrak efreq (As I write, that page is currently down, though (looks like they moved their webservers to a system on a faster network, which broke mandrakesoft.com)
Looks like you managed to find an old screenshot of mine. That one's a few months old; maybe I'll update it later today. For now, though, keep in mind that that screenshot dates back to at least January (back when Cooker was still numbered 7.3.)
Stating on Slashdot that I like cheese since 1997.
0.9 is pretty bad, but the latest nightlies ROCK. Seriously... go give them a try. Much, much more stable than anything that has come before. I'm using evo as my full time mailer now and (especially in the last week or so) am very, very happy with it.
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Yeah. And the business model behind PBS is lame because they have to ask for handouts. The same is true with NPR.
Just because you "ask for handouts" doesn't mean your business model is unsound. It simply means you prefer to give your stuff away. As I understand it, Mandrake is a rather successful company. They may not be making 40% profit margins, with 30,000 employees worldwide, and its two founders as two of the three richest people in the world. But that doesn't mean their business model is unsound. It simply means they have different goals.
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I have been using the nightlies. They're just as bad. I'm not dissing anyone's work, Evolution has great potential. But I can't yet trust it to handle my everyday mail here at work, which is where I'd get the most benefit from it.
IS Mandrake 8 using gcc 2.96 like RH or 2.95 like a good distro would?
Can you upgrade a RH system to a Mandrake system?
Is pppoe as easy to configure as ppp (and how easy to configure is ppp)?
Lastly how is Mandrake about rearranging your system? I.E RH moved the /etc/rc.d/init.d scripts in RH 7.0 to /etc/init.d???
How easy are the upgrades? I.E. Will I spend a day reconfguring my system??
Seriously I am not trying to start a flame war I am looking for real answers here.....
I don't want a lot, I just want it all!
Flame away, I have a hose!
Only 'flamers' flame!
This is my favorite desktop Linux flavor. I still prefer OpenBSD for the firewalling, and Slackware for the servers, but Mandrake is my favorite desktop flavor.
Is this pretty much the way everyone feels, or are people more dedicated to a particular distribution?
Don't forget to check http://www.linuxiso.org...
Jethro
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
As an AC has already pointed out, Mandrake forked from RedHat a few years ago, and develop seperately now.
:-) ), but it at least doesn't feel any slower than any other distro I've used and, being the most user-friendly, that's good enough for me.
In addition to that, don't forget that Mandrake is compiled optimised for Pentium and better machines, which supposedly gives between a 5% to 30% performance boost. I don't have any figures to back up that claim (the boost, that is, not the optimisation
Cheers,
Tim
It's official. Most of you are morons.
I remember that the betas for Mandrake 8.0 had problems running on Via KT-133 chipset based motherboards. Has this issue been resolved in the release version?
At this rate we will be dealing with Mandrake 2001.0 in the year 2003. In this case this is a version number and not the year it was released ;-)
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
The ./ post mentions kernel >= 2.4.2 and XFree >= 4.02... Ever seen the >= symbol? It means "greater than or equal to".
So there is no mistake in the original post.
Bill knows the importance of providing a consistent user interface. That is why he is happy to leave themeing outside of windows.
Oh, like in Windows XP?
Bill knows the importance of providing a consistent user interface. That is why he is happy to leave themeing outside of windows. It makes life nice and simple for corporate accounts where M$ makes it's big money. What are you to do if you want a desktop with a salvador dali on steroids motif?? No problem. Bill gave MS API access to Stardock so they could build a themeing product. That way everyone is happy and M$ probably gets a kickback for every copy of windowblinds sold.
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That's funny. Get a clue. Theming doesn't make a GUI harder to use! Mac users have been theming their desktops for ages. Its the fact that there are dozens of toolkits, each with different UIs, and no real UI guidelines that makes *NIX GUIs annoying to use.
A deep unwavering belief is a sure sign you're missing something...
I'm not singling out Mandrake, because their installer and GUI configuration tools currently beat out (in almost all cases) all the other major distributions. Relative to the other popular distributions, Mandrake is the easiest.
t ts.html for more details on Fitts' law). You tend to see the same problem with a lot of M$ toolbar buttons. Some might argue "the tiny green stars you can barely see change color when a configuration is complete. That accounts for something". Wrong. What if the end-user has partial or complete color blindness? Changing the color doesn't do diddley squat. Plus, dynamically changing the appearance of a widget will rarely capture a user's attention. Putting a check mark next to the label for each completed step would work far better. The greatest atrocity I've seen in the mandrake installer is where they use stars (yet again) for things like checkboxes. They have substituted a universal interface element recognized for decades, the square with a big black check mark through the middle, for something as ambiguous as an embossed star.
However...
Mandrake has still in large part messed up the interface for the installer. The most shining example is the stars. The GUI design rule for image usage is that once the images get small enough, they don't really do a lot of good--Partly because the user's ability to recognize what the image means goes down, and partly because the smaller a button image is, the less it is compliant with Fitts' law. (see http://www.asktog.com/columns/022DesignedToGiveFi
To paraphrase Shakespeare, the fault lies not in Mandrake's stars, but in themselves. What I've essentially seen is a distribution installer that had real promise, but then was sabotaged by the ubiquitous "pretty == usable" falacy that pervades through the linux community. Ironically, it is now debian, traditionally the most user-hostile distribution, that is now showing real usability promise. Progeny has a very well designed, non-ambiguous set of UI widgets designed for usability and not for eye candy. They also give their value-added configuration tools sensible names, not "Drak" preceeded by some half-recognizable suffix. I take back everything bad I ever said about them. With a bit more hacking on their installer (some of which I hope to do), Progeny could become the desktop distribution of choice.
FTP mirror sites are still smashed from the release of Red Hat 7.1... would it have really killed them to wait a week for things to cool down? Two *major* releases in about 3 days is enough to bring all but the most well-connected sites to their knees.
Hardly... 2.4.3 has severe disk corruption issues, unless you use the patches we put into the kernel for Red Hat Linux just before shipping or use 2.4.3ac(recent). Whether you grabbed our patches or not, I don't know.
As for JDK, they won't run with floating stacks (bug in JDK, not glibc) - read the release notes for Red Hat Linux for more information, where you can find out more about the problem. You probably have the workarounds from our glibc rpms already.
I installed 7.2 onto an old box. After tweaking a few accept/deny rules, and some other nips and tucks I have the thing running very nicely now as a masquerading firewall.
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I'm currently a Mandrake 7.2 user. I know this because when I type "cat /etc/redhat-release" it says:
Linux Mandrake release 7.2 (Odyssey) for i586
In the three years I've been a linux user, I've used Debian, Slackware, Redhat and a few of the lesser "known" distributions. Mandrake is great for the latest toys, especially if you have a 56k modem and can't bother downloading the latest packages. However, it sucks in a technical way for shipping broken things like supermount and reiserfs.
It also annoys me that they are so predatory on Redhat's market share, with their ridiculous version numbering scheme and "trumping" of Red Hat's announcement, always right after a red-hat release.
Redhat contributes all sorts of resources to the free software community, they support gnome, XFree86 and other important projects. All Mandrake does is really "customize" RedHat's release with some more cutting edge tools and give nothing back to the community other then a few buggy GUI configuration tools.
It would be nice if Mandrake simply had a "Mandrake Desktop Plus Pack" for RedHat linux and formed an alliance with RedHat. If their aren't more mergers and acquistions soon between the commercial (note I said commercial!) distributions it will only weaken linux acceptance in the marketplace.
Bill knows the importance of providing a consistent user interface. That is why he is happy to leave themeing outside of windows. It makes life nice and simple for corporate accounts where M$ makes it's big money. What are you to do if you want a desktop with a salvador dali on steroids motif?? No problem. Bill gave MS API access to Stardock so they could build a themeing product. That way everyone is happy and M$ probably gets a kickback for every copy of windowblinds sold.
I've donated to the Debian project before, but I think Mandrake having a way to donate to other projects is pretty cool. The only reason I've not donated to other projects before is because I am lazy and couldn't be bothered trying to find out how. Kudos to Mandrake (the dist).
I don't use Mandrake, but hey... they make it easy to donate, so they must be OK.
I was patently annoyed at not being able to get an ISO to evaluate this. Now my dislike for Mandrake will stand - they release stuff that is so poorly mirrored why bother at all, and I'm not going to Fry's and paying for boxes and marketing dribble to get a hold of this. So I will assume Mandrake 8 is as bad as every previous incarnation. I'll stick to Slack or Debian if I want to deal with Linux.
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Berto, Berto...
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1) "Bugs in RC1"!="Bugs in final"
2) We did the job as good as we could. Time will tell how good this was.
Personally I have a very good feeling for 8.0, quite oposite to what I fealt when 7.2 came out. Sure, there will be bug fixes and updates (first two being samba and kernel), but that's life.
FYI, there is no such thing as "bug free software", with exception of TeX. IMO software gets released at the moment when developers change color from usual greyish to pale green, not at the moment when "no more bugs exist".
Wrong... they're not asking for money. Did you actually follow the link before posting your troll? They're giving you the opportunity to support the open-source project of your choice.
bp
One of the developments not mentioned but important is that Mandrake is once again binary-compatible with Red Hat. Now that rpm (version 4), glibc (2.2) and gcc (2.96-RH) are in sync between Mandrake 8 and Red Hat 7, RPMs can be interchanged freely between two of the largest Linux distributions. This is a good thing, regardless of which of the two you prefer. This should also further legitimize gcc 2.96-RH, which apparently is quite stable now.
Leave it to Mandrake to mess up my day! I was going to stay home, now I have to go to work so I can download my fave distro on the T1 and burn it off!
I am SO switching to Debian! Those guys never update.
Last night on TechTV the show The Screen Savers did a live install of Linux Mandrake 8.0
You can get all of that information and more off of their web site.
They downloaded the ISO images (2 of them) and burned them onto CD's and did the expert install to show all of the new features.... Extremely simple install and partition...
Give it up for Mandrake
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My treading into Linux was with Mandrake. I have other distros, Progeny, but I think Mandrake is more than a simple Distro. The 2 cd iso's are packed with software. Mandrake spent the time and effort to get the coolest free software out there and made sure it works with their distro, then put them into RPM's and packed them all up and gives everything away for free. Cool.
I would recommend the Mandrake distro to people who want to learn Linux becuase after installing it, you dont need to really do anything more except for use it. Its a great complete product. I just their FTP servers are going to be tanked. I'll just have to wait.
Arathres
I love my iBook. I use it to run Linux!
stainless steel
OK, so when this is slashdotted, here is a list of mirrors for all you downloaders out there! Linux-Mandrake 8.0 release candidate mirrors for i586 processors.
Austria, France, Germany , Sweden
I hope they've made it clear that evolution is still pre-beta. Its still extremely unstable atm, and would give a poor impression to new users.
+5 insightful? Looks like the same Microsoft lackeys that rated my comment from +4 interesting to +5 funny (thereby prejuding readers against the content before they've read a single word) are out abusing the moderation system once again. Moderating up this kind of disinformation is disingenous, indeed downright disgusting.
As others have pointed out, Mandrake forked from red hat years ago and make significant contributions to numerous free software projects, not the least of which is providing an easy way for the rest of us to make financial contributions to the project of our choice without having to do a bunch of research first. This will probably translate into a sizable increase in contributions from people like myself with money to give, but not time to do the necessary digging to find out how.
Finally, Mandrake stands on its own, with its own unique and compelling features, not the least of which are its ease of installation and ease of use. I can give my aunt a copy of Mandrake 7.2 and she can install and use it with little or no help, unlike the copy of Windows ME she had.
Red Hat is a very nice distribution, and I wish them success. Likewise for Suse, Debian, and, yes, Mandrake.
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However, I do think that this is much, much better than 7.2, just don't be surprised to see 8.1 (or 8.01) come out just as quickly, and tons of things in MandrakeUpdate.
Mike Roberto
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Berto
Okay, I'll bite - I haven't been trolled in a while :-)
MS don't ask for handouts, because they force you to pay for their software.
With Mandrake, as with most other Linux distros, you have a choice - pay, or not. All Mandrake are saying is "feel free to download it for free, but if you feel like contributing some sum of money, you can do so here - you can even specify who gets the money!"
They're not asking for handouts. They're giving us the opportunity to show our appreciation for and support of all the hardwork that goes into all the cool stuff we get to use.
Cheers,
Tim
It's official. Most of you are morons.
"Kernel 4.0.3 provides enhanced support for USB, Infrared and FireWire devices, as well as better performance with AMD and Cyrix CPUs" [...]
Did I sleep 10 years or so?!