They typically walk in the front door with your local sheriff (or whoever it is in your jurisdiction that serves civil warrants), with a warrant, and announces the raid. You now have a big problem.
To get a warrant issued there would have to be some sort of evidence presented to a judge. What form does this evidence take, how convincing does it have to be, and, perhaps most importantly, how would Microsoft/BSA obtain it?
Just curious, but what incentive is there for DSL providers to enable multicast anyway? I'm not trolling, or faming or anything, just asking a question; you seem to know about it. What are the benefits/costs for the company, benefits/costs for the consumer? What good is it for anyway? Thanks!
Multicast reduces bandwidth usage because if multiple users are receiving the same live stream on a network only one copy of the stream has to traverse that network.
The downside of multicast is that it requires every piece of equipment in between the source and receiver to be multicast enabled, there a costs to upgrading network infrastructure to support multicast. Operating a multicast enabled network can be complex because many of the protocols are immature, there are costs to training staff.
I think this is a very important question, thanks to Slashdot for finally posting it. Users should demand multicast connectivity. A multicast enabled internet would dramatically lower the cost of delivering multimedia content, thus making a wider variety of content available. Currently, delivering multimedia to large numbers of users is quite expensive, preventing many from having access to large audiences.
MSN used to offer multicast connectivity, I'm not sure when they stopped. Anyone know the story on this?
A few things consumers can do:
-if you are shopping for an ISP of any kind ask about multicast and try to get the question to get as high up the chain as possible.
-Sprint offers free multicast connectivity to its ISP customers, if yours peers with them let them know this. (does Sprint offer multicast connectivity to its consumer grade customers?)
-check to see if you've got multicast connectivity through this applet from multicasttech. If you are let other people know about your ISP, on forums like dslreports
You refer to no benefit due to the way infrastructure is deployed to the end user but isn't the real benefit realized on the ISP's backbone and at its peering points? I wouldn't think end user bandwidth would be a big win presently because the density of users on any one live multimedia experience is probably pretty low in a neighborhood served by one CO. Of course, if DSL is to be a delivery system for, say, the Super Bowl it would have to solve the problem you describe.
Worse, companies have an incentive to conduct operations in Country A with dodgy laws. If a country has laws that are more business than consumer friendly, say allow consumers to enter into clickthrough contracts that make them give up rights to sue, companies want to locate there. This could cause a global legal race to the bottom, the same way we are seeing a global wage race to the bottom, and countries are outdoing each other to offer tax breaks to get business to locate there.
In commercial settings give out a different email address that map to the same mail box each time rather than having just one. You'll be able to tell if it was your mom or the phone company that got you on a spammers list.
I'm sure there's a business model in there somewhere.
I don't have an answer but I'll ask a related question. Anyone have any video of RMS speaking? I'd like to put it on cable access. I recall that there was a large mpeg2 of a speech he gave haven't been able to track that down. tia
So do I have to put a click-through EULA on all my sites, stating that only US/EU citizens may view them without waiving their rights to sue me?
Wouldn't protect you from French/German anti-nazi laws (remember the Yahoo France case?), bad software patents, kangaroo ADR courts, click thru agreements that make you give up many rights you might like to have, etc.
There are 49 members of the Hague Convention, Burkino Faso isn't one of them.
What we're talking about here is opposition to
forcing US courts to enforce foreign laws
Actually the US enforces the most foreign judgements. This is one reason it is pushing for the treaty so hard, it wants to be able to have its judgements extended to other countries.
Freenet coordinator Ian Clarke's side venture Uprizer says different. He scored
$4mil in April.
Uprizer looks like its trying to compete in the CDN realm. The idea is a good one, Freenet has a number of unknowns in it, ie content expiration, that wouldn't make it suitable for certain business applications. It probably trades off some of Freenet's anonymity requirements for certainity. Similar to the idea of businesses not using the Internet for applications that need guarenteed data rates, they don't use the commodity Internet they buy a dedicated circuit.
... should make their own napster like program that doesn't have a central server
Of course, distributed live broadcasting would be best accomplished through the deployment of multicast on the Internet. Any application level solutions would be hacks comparitively.
Your comment is interesting to me because it seems to reflect a shift in 'net culture. The concept of "netizen", Internet users with some shared cultural context, seems to be on the wane. The 'net has grown large and commercial enough that meme of "I've got my corner of the 'net and don't care about the rest" is becoming dominant.
To my mind this is too bad. Shared cultural spaces are more precious than isolating commercial ones. The entertainment industry will not be satisfied with 50%, they want 100%. With content providers buying network pipes your corner of the Internet is not involiate.
The Napster of IPv6 is the fact that its multicast native. Multicast will let anyone be able to stream live multimedia to an unlimited number of end users. In my opinion this is the most important feature of ipv6.
Most of the comments I've seen have to do with computers, which doesn't sound like what you want at all. Sounds like you want a pioneer dvr-2000, which does realtime recording to DVD from a variety of video sources. No software, just plug your digicam in and bam, you've got a DVD.
It would be nice if there was a model with an integrated miniDV playback deck. You don't want to be using your camera as a playback deck and a seperate miniDV deck will have lots of the same features as the dvr-2000.
Thanks for your thorough and well reasoned reply, you've given me a bit to think about. It sounds like you're closer to a service model than I first thought.
We've run into this problem where I work. Our hardware uses an ASIC produced by someone else. We
developed our software with information on the ASIC that we received under NDA, so we can't make the entire driver open source. Not to mention that other companies could just slap the ASIC on a card, use the software we developed, and undercut our price, since they'd save 90% of the development costs.
The ASIC maker would sell more hardware if there was an open source version of the driver and people didn't have to pay your 90% markup.
IP laws and trade secrets have their own inefficiencies. Isn't it ironic that capitalists strive to avoid competition as much as possible?
Last session there was a bill, the Artists' Contribution to American Heritage Act, that would have allowed the picture painting scenario you describe, see Sen. Leahy's letter. It seems likely that it would have applied to software but its not clear how it would be applied to Open Source software because it is unclear how to appraise Open Source software. See the thread on the Union for the Public Domain's mailing list.
In the discussion, according to RMS companies (not individuals) can already claim a credit for donations of proprietary software to FSF (which would presumably "free" it) or other such organization, but that he was not aware of any such situation where that had occured. It would surprise me if no companies would take advantage of this as companies like IBM are donating copyrights on code to FSF. I believe that patches to GCC must have copyright assigned to FSF.
The bill didn't pass, it will probably be reintroduced this session.
Of course, any discussion of taxes and free software would be incomplete w/o mentioning the Hacker Tax Credit.
As one involved with a noncommercial streaming project motivated by the desire to disseminate points of view that don't make it in the commercial media I have to say this is good news. That capitalism's "warring brothers" shackle themselves in this new medium with licensing agreements and industry consortia that get a percentage demonstrates the value to society of information that is licensed for use by civil society (ie GPL, Open Content) or in the public domain.
So if the RIAA wants to get all its slaves... umm artist's songs off of Napster, I say let them cut their own throat, the independent music industry will flourish. If Clearchannel (which controls 25% of the nation's radio advertising revenue thus can control the airwaves) can't webcast their thousands of carbon copy RIAA bitch radio stations, I say great, this is an opening for independents and noncommercials to take advantage of.
This is of course only a temporary window of opportunity. No one believes that Clearchannel will not be able to get on the web. Ultimately this will probably speed consolidation in the radio industry, as the big players like Clearchannel will be able to leverage deals that small independently owned stations can't.
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The quality of the questions scored 5 on this interview is extremely poor. Interviewing Bob Young has the chance to be extremely valuable for the slashdot community, however it appears it will be a wasted opportunity. Will he even bother to respond to these questions, as FCC chief technologist David Farber decided not to?
There are serious problems with slashdot's moderation system and there is no forum to deal with these metaissues. Slashdot is very unlike the user driven site it once was.
Assume I had 100 floppies that mattered: that's less than 200MB, which you can copy in a few seconds on modern digital media.
It would take a few seconds to copy the equivalent amount of data stored on 100 floppies but it wouldn't take a few seconds to copy 100 floppies. The distinction is important for archivists, who might have, say, a building full of 9 track tapes to convert, a process which could take years.
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They typically walk in the front door with your local sheriff (or whoever it is in your jurisdiction that serves civil warrants), with a warrant, and announces the raid. You now have a big problem.
To get a warrant issued there would have to be some sort of evidence presented to a judge. What form does this evidence take, how convincing does it have to be, and, perhaps most importantly, how would Microsoft/BSA obtain it?
AC wrote:
Just curious, but what incentive is there for DSL providers to enable multicast anyway? I'm not trolling, or faming or anything, just asking a question; you seem to know about it. What are the benefits/costs for the company, benefits/costs for the consumer? What good is it for anyway? Thanks!
Multicast reduces bandwidth usage because if multiple users are receiving the same live stream on a network only one copy of the stream has to traverse that network.
The downside of multicast is that it requires every piece of equipment in between the source and receiver to be multicast enabled, there a costs to upgrading network infrastructure to support multicast. Operating a multicast enabled network can be complex because many of the protocols are immature, there are costs to training staff.
MBONE FAQ
Multicast FAQ from multicasttech
I think this is a very important question, thanks to Slashdot for finally posting it. Users should demand multicast connectivity. A multicast enabled internet would dramatically lower the cost of delivering multimedia content, thus making a wider variety of content available. Currently, delivering multimedia to large numbers of users is quite expensive, preventing many from having access to large audiences.
MSN used to offer multicast connectivity, I'm not sure when they stopped. Anyone know the story on this?
A few things consumers can do:
-if you are shopping for an ISP of any kind ask about multicast and try to get the question to get as high up the chain as possible.
-Sprint offers free multicast connectivity to its ISP customers, if yours peers with them let them know this. (does Sprint offer multicast connectivity to its consumer grade customers?)
-check to see if you've got multicast connectivity through this applet from multicasttech. If you are let other people know about your ISP, on forums like dslreports
You refer to no benefit due to the way infrastructure is deployed to the end user but isn't the real benefit realized on the ISP's backbone and at its peering points? I wouldn't think end user bandwidth would be a big win presently because the density of users on any one live multimedia experience is probably pretty low in a neighborhood served by one CO. Of course, if DSL is to be a delivery system for, say, the Super Bowl it would have to solve the problem you describe.
This is exactly the kind of legal situation that makes the Hague Convention on Foreign Judgements so scary, as it would extend this to the 50 some member countries. This is why the Consumer Project on Technology and RMS are working to oppose the convention.
Mod the parent up.
Worse, companies have an incentive to conduct operations in Country A with dodgy laws. If a country has laws that are more business than consumer friendly, say allow consumers to enter into clickthrough contracts that make them give up rights to sue, companies want to locate there. This could cause a global legal race to the bottom, the same way we are seeing a global wage race to the bottom, and countries are outdoing each other to offer tax breaks to get business to locate there.
In commercial settings give out a different email address that map to the same mail box each time rather than having just one. You'll be able to tell if it was your mom or the phone company that got you on a spammers list.
I'm sure there's a business model in there somewhere.
I don't have an answer but I'll ask a related question. Anyone have any video of RMS speaking? I'd like to put it on cable access. I recall that there was a large mpeg2 of a speech he gave haven't been able to track that down. tia
So do I have to put a click-through EULA on all my sites, stating that only US/EU citizens may view them without waiving their rights to sue me?
Wouldn't protect you from French/German anti-nazi laws (remember the Yahoo France case?), bad software patents, kangaroo ADR courts, click thru agreements that make you give up many rights you might like to have, etc.
There are 49 members of the Hague Convention, Burkino Faso isn't one of them.
What we're talking about here is opposition to
forcing US courts to enforce foreign laws
Actually the US enforces the most foreign judgements. This is one reason it is pushing for the treaty so hard, it wants to be able to have its judgements extended to other countries.
oh?
Freenet coordinator Ian Clarke's side venture Uprizer says different. He scored
$4mil in April.
Uprizer looks like its trying to compete in the CDN realm. The idea is a good one, Freenet has a number of unknowns in it, ie content expiration, that wouldn't make it suitable for certain business applications. It probably trades off some of Freenet's anonymity requirements for certainity. Similar to the idea of businesses not using the Internet for applications that need guarenteed data rates, they don't use the commodity Internet they buy a dedicated circuit.
So what does this mean for shoutcast?
... should make their own napster like program that doesn't have a central server
Nothing. They don't charge any money.
Of course, distributed live broadcasting would be best accomplished through the deployment of multicast on the Internet. Any application level solutions would be hacks comparitively.
Your comment is interesting to me because it seems to reflect a shift in 'net culture. The concept of "netizen", Internet users with some shared cultural context, seems to be on the wane. The 'net has grown large and commercial enough that meme of "I've got my corner of the 'net and don't care about the rest" is becoming dominant.
To my mind this is too bad. Shared cultural spaces are more precious than isolating commercial ones. The entertainment industry will not be satisfied with 50%, they want 100%. With content providers buying network pipes your corner of the Internet is not involiate.
how is a copper connection not directly connected to the internet?
I do not know what "wired directly into the Internet" means and I don't think Cliff does either.
Good example. Another one is the campaign to revoke Unocal's charter.
The Napster of IPv6 is the fact that its multicast native. Multicast will let anyone be able to stream live multimedia to an unlimited number of end users. In my opinion this is the most important feature of ipv6.
It would be nice if there was a model with an integrated miniDV playback deck. You don't want to be using your camera as a playback deck and a seperate miniDV deck will have lots of the same features as the dvr-2000.
Thanks for your thorough and well reasoned reply, you've given me a bit to think about. It sounds like you're closer to a service model than I first thought.
We've run into this problem where I work. Our hardware uses an ASIC produced by someone else. We
developed our software with information on the ASIC that we received under NDA, so we can't make the entire driver open source. Not to mention that other companies could just slap the ASIC on a card, use the software we developed, and undercut our price, since they'd save 90% of the development costs.
The ASIC maker would sell more hardware if there was an open source version of the driver and people didn't have to pay your 90% markup.
IP laws and trade secrets have their own inefficiencies. Isn't it ironic that capitalists strive to avoid competition as much as possible?
Last session there was a bill, the Artists' Contribution to American Heritage Act, that would have allowed the picture painting scenario you describe, see Sen. Leahy's letter. It seems likely that it would have applied to software but its not clear how it would be applied to Open Source software because it is unclear how to appraise Open Source software. See the thread on the Union for the Public Domain's mailing list.
In the discussion, according to RMS companies (not individuals) can already claim a credit for donations of proprietary software to FSF (which would presumably "free" it) or other such organization, but that he was not aware of any such situation where that had occured. It would surprise me if no companies would take advantage of this as companies like IBM are donating copyrights on code to FSF. I believe that patches to GCC must have copyright assigned to FSF.
The bill didn't pass, it will probably be reintroduced this session.
Of course, any discussion of taxes and free software would be incomplete w/o mentioning the Hacker Tax Credit.
As one involved with a noncommercial streaming project motivated by the desire to disseminate points of view that don't make it in the commercial media I have to say this is good news. That capitalism's "warring brothers" shackle themselves in this new medium with licensing agreements and industry consortia that get a percentage demonstrates the value to society of information that is licensed for use by civil society (ie GPL, Open Content) or in the public domain.
... umm artist's songs off of Napster, I say let them cut their own throat, the independent music industry will flourish. If Clearchannel (which controls 25% of the nation's radio advertising revenue thus can control the airwaves) can't webcast their thousands of carbon copy RIAA bitch radio stations, I say great, this is an opening for independents and noncommercials to take advantage of.
So if the RIAA wants to get all its slaves
This is of course only a temporary window of opportunity. No one believes that Clearchannel will not be able to get on the web. Ultimately this will probably speed consolidation in the radio industry, as the big players like Clearchannel will be able to leverage deals that small independently owned stations can't.
The quality of the questions scored 5 on this interview is extremely poor. Interviewing Bob Young has the chance to be extremely valuable for the slashdot community, however it appears it will be a wasted opportunity. Will he even bother to respond to these questions, as FCC chief technologist David Farber decided not to?
There are serious problems with slashdot's moderation system and there is no forum to deal with these metaissues. Slashdot is very unlike the user driven site it once was.
Assume I had 100 floppies that mattered: that's less than 200MB, which you can copy in a few seconds on modern digital media.
It would take a few seconds to copy the equivalent amount of data stored on 100 floppies but it wouldn't take a few seconds to copy 100 floppies. The distinction is important for archivists, who might have, say, a building full of 9 track tapes to convert, a process which could take years.
... freenet.