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Freenet's First Employee
An unnamed reader writes: "The Freenet project's first employee started work today. Oskar Sandberg, one of Freenet's core developers, will be working full-time on Freenet for the next two months, his living expenses being paid for by donations to the Freenet project. Freenet has come a long way in-terms of usability in the last few months, Oskar will initially be working on the next major release, 0.4, which will bring significant performance, security, and usability improvements to Freenet.
The original announcement is here." (And here's where you can sweeten the pot, too.)
Why is this "News for Nerds, Stuff That Matters"?
Freenet already had employees in the form of
volunteers, so what's the big deal?
Not waiting in anticipation because I know this will moderated downward.
Thank you.
Assuming it is a good thing they have an employee, I have some practical concerns...
Freenet isn't the type of thing that your favorite Big Above-The-Law International Corporation would want to invest in.
The fact that donations can make this happen really demonstrates the desire for people to have, finally, a Free Net.
Um, do we get to throw Napster users to the lions?
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Forget Napster. Why not really break the law?
"Remember when the U.S. had a drug problem, and then we declared a War On Drugs, and now you can't buy drugs anymore?"
These guys would be well-served to investigate the "Dining Cryptographers" problem, which is a way that a group of peers can transmit information to each-other but remain anonymous (within the group) with mathematical certainty. Again, it isn't very scalable, and is subject to DOS attacks, but it does work.
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I would certainly be interested to hear why you think that it is more anonymous and more scalable than Freenet? Nothing I can see supports your claim.
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Having said that, the usage guide you point to isn't actually the usage guide at all, the actual usage guide you are thinking of is at http://freenetproject.org/quickguide/ and has been for months, and AFAIK there are no references to "fools" anywhere - so I really don't understand what you are talking about.
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Also note that some ISPs, including Earthlink, are refusing to cave to pressure from these self-appointed IP police. In fact, many of these companies are going out of business.
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Are there any? I see a lot of talk about freedom of speech, but when you look at what the software actually does, it looks like it's really just designed to help people trade warez anonymously. And no, this isn't flamebait. I want to know what genuinely legitimate uses Freenet has.
I sent in my $10, just hoping others will do the same...
:)
If everyone posts an "I donated $xx" amount message, we can raise money for them at the same time as we break the previous Slashdot postings record.
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Wow, I can't believe the amount of cynicism already appearing in this story. I just chipped in $10 towards the project because I'd like to see it be developed further.
That's what separates the people who use Linux because it's free (as in beer) from the people who believe in free (as in speech) software, and are willing to fund further development of it.
Sure, ten bucks isn't a lot, it's about two lunches for me, but hopefully if more Slashdotters contribute a few bucks, they can come out with better FreeNet servers & clients.
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When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout. --Robert A. Heinlein
Yeah, but it's one thing to code in your free time and not get paid much, or even not at all. But when you're taking it as a full time job? I mean, this puts him below the poverty limit, at least in the U.S. I don't see a whole lot of incentive in taking a full-time job that will still leave me eligible for welfare.
Cheers,
They're only paying him $2500 total for two months full-time work? That's just sad. Doesn't exactly make me want to sign up for a open source project anytime soon.
Cheers,
First interview should also be on that list... maybe even first VC offer.
I checked Infoanarchy.org's queue this morning and this news story is extremely interesting. Check the sourceforge page here.
After reading the overview of that project, it looks much safer and more anonymous than Freenet (it probably even scales better too).
How is this much different from the web? How do you find something? Someone *tells* you where it is (in the form of a link). In freenet's place, it would be a key.
It's easy to walk around the web because of HTML. NOT because of http/web servers/etc.
That's the point. Freenet is a storage/server medium, not the user interface element.
I don't worry about the ease-of-use issue that much. Look at the net, look at linux... it will happen.
Of course he also pointed out the untraceability of where the file originated, but the dynamic and ever-fluid nature of exactly where the physical file might be was what captured my imagination at the time.
Thus it seems that applications with geographic overtones might be conceived as the truly legitimate ones. For example, if Derrick May and Juan Atkins could have posted MP3s to Freenet, they would have quickly seen techno take off in Europe; that's where they would have headed to do their live shows. (Of course they did that anyway, but by tracking record sales, a somewhat slower process.)
Similarly, any kind of culture-based phenomenon could exploit this: an author in Maine finds that Samoans can't get enough of his stuff; Romania goes gaga over a tricky Brazilian beat; people in West Germany start a political party based on ideas that first popped up in New Zealand -- you get the idea.....
DNA is a Turing machine. You, however, being dynamic and emergent, are not.
Now, shouting 'FIRE!' when there IS a fire sounds to me like a Pretty Good Idea. =) Shouting 'FIRE!' just to panic people is... well, just what is it?
:)
It's a fire practice
Oskar was at the O'Reilly P2P conference in San Fran this year. If you went you couldn't have missed him
> pets
A dog I think
> cars
I shouldn't think so
> current contents of his refrigerator
Rumored to be a good cook
> Do they have him hooked up to record vital statistics?
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AGL
I've offered them something else that's yellow...
JMR
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Freenet coordinator Ian Clarke's side venture Uprizer says different. He scored
$4mil in April.
Uprizer looks like its trying to compete in the CDN realm. The idea is a good one, Freenet has a number of unknowns in it, ie content expiration, that wouldn't make it suitable for certain business applications. It probably trades off some of Freenet's anonymity requirements for certainity. Similar to the idea of businesses not using the Internet for applications that need guarenteed data rates, they don't use the commodity Internet they buy a dedicated circuit.
Well, Oskar took the deal. He probably would have done the work for free, but this arrangement keeps someone from snatching him up before 0.4 comes out.
Frankly, I wouldn't work for $2500 either. But then again, I'm not anywhere near as nutso as Oskar is.
Evan Prodromou | evan@prodromou.name | http://evan.prodromou.name/
It doesn't really act like, say, a Web server.
Evan Prodromou | evan@prodromou.name | http://evan.prodromou.name/
Seriously, it knocks me out when people say stuff like this. If free speech and freedom of the press can be outlawed, then don't we have ALL THE MORE NEED for an alternative publishing system? If you're this concerned, then you need to get Freenet going DAMN QUICK, man.
As to the illegality: there are a number of ways to make Freenet run "under the radar," such as using steganography to camouflage Freenet protocol messages as, say, mail messages, or HTTP pr0n downloads, or anything else.
That's not on the Freenet development roadmap for a while, but it's definitely something that's been suggested.
Evan Prodromou | evan@prodromou.name | http://evan.prodromou.name/
Freenet has become a fine platform for Web publishing, for example. If you've got a Web site (ANY Website -- even pictures of your cat) you should REALLY REALLY read the Website publishing HOWTO. It gives step-by-step instructions on how to put your site into Freenet.
Remember, back in the day, the World Wide Web and other Internet services had the same outlaw reputation that peer-to-peer systems like Freenet have right now. It was only because many "ordinary" people put their "ordinary" content on the Web that it became an acceptable, in fact indispensible, computing platform.
We can do that with Freenet, if we work at it. But it takes thousands of individual efforts to make it happen. If you think there's a potential for a bad future for Freenet, you need to start helping, rather than resigning yourself to Yet More Totalitarian Bullshit.
Evan Prodromou | evan@prodromou.name | http://evan.prodromou.name/
So, "Freenet for Fools" was written by a Windows user. I think it was originally "Freenet for D*mmies," but because of trademark issues the name was changed.
Evan Prodromou | evan@prodromou.name | http://evan.prodromou.name/
I don't know if the future of Free Software projects is really in donation-based organizations like Freenet, but it seems like it gives a nice "push" to projects that are in high-velocity development phases.
I especially think that the hiring of an employee at non-profit wages is a great way to spend the donation money. We all want a better, faster, stronger, more anonymous, less attackable Freenet, and I think this will really help. Not to mention that Oskar is a pretty OK programmer, despite being an irascible grouch. B-)
As per the low wages: I think the wages are just right, actually. They're enough that we keep Oskar on a leash for a few months, but they're not enough that the rest of the developers get jealous and slack off from working.
One more thing: people interested in anonymity should check out EOF, a collection of applications like mail, news, apt (!!), etc. that work over Freenet. Good shit.
Evan Prodromou | evan@prodromou.name | http://evan.prodromou.name/
You mean, like freegle?
I want to see this guy working on The Revolution. Is there a bio for him? Do they have a "current life status" describing his computer hardware at home, any pets, cars, friends, and the current contents of his refrigerator? Do they have him hooked up to record vital statistics? I hope they make some pretty charts out of them.
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From the Freenet devl mailing list this morning- I would just like to note that my schoolterm has ended now, so I am starting my fulltime work on Freenet as of today. I plan to work pretty much non-stop until the fall term begins, which is on the 27th of August, making my employment a convenient 2½ months. I would just like to assure everybody that I am taking this opportunity very seriously, and I will work absolutely as hard as I would under ordinary employment conditions (harder actually, since I don't believe in stuff like sleep and weekends when hacking on Freenet). My first priority will be getting back in the loop with Tavin's work on the experimental branch, and getting the remaining necessary features (basically announcement) in and working as soon as possible. After that I will try to balance my time between enhancing and debugging the 0.4 for code for public usability together with the other 0.4 coders and experimenting on the routing and caching modifications that have been discussed here lately. Plans, like always, are subject to revision though. -- 'DeCSS would be fine. Where is it?' 'Here,' Montag touched his head. 'Ah,' Granger smiled and nodded. Oskar Sandberg oskar@freenetproject.org
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Oh, you mean like http does?
How we know is more important than what we know.
you mean like those crazy guys over at gnutella?
How we know is more important than what we know.
In Australia the national telephone company Telstra planned to detect data calls and charge outragous per minute rates. This would have effectively cripled fidonet. Thankfully someone managed to talk them out of it.
How we know is more important than what we know.
Shit, I don't care if it's voice-based or not, if I can know the value of $5000 worth of IBM stock an hour from now, I want it.
(Hell, even if it costs a million bucks, all I have to do is use it often enough and it'll pay for itself ;-)
As would I.
Check out this example of what I see as a Bad Idea.
If the goal is to bring anonymous publication into the mainstream, example filenames like "Britney Spears Felch.jpg" are... well, unhelpful.
Funny as hell? Yes, to the author, and speaking as one with a sick sense of humor, I thought it was pretty damn funny too.
But is it the first thing you'd want your Congresscritter to see when he decides to find out "what this free net thing is all about?" after the local Fundie-sponsored lobby group complains that FreeNet has to be banned for the sake of the chilllldrun?
C'mon, folks, let's get real here.
milosevic-evidence.jpg - good
95_theses.txt - even better
britfelch.jpg - not bloody likely
Freenet is a large-scale peer-to-peer network which pools the power of member computers around the world to create a massive virtual information store open to anyone to freely publish or view information of all kinds.
That would really be cool if they can pull it off. Every Slashdot user and anonymous coward should immediately write a check to those people. May the RIAA and other freedom destroyers tremble in fear! May they have horrible visions of empty bank accounts and past due legal bills! May their power to restrict the freedom of others dwindle exponentially! Go Freenet!
IP laws are unnatural. They can only be enforced with the use of powerful police states. Demand liberty! Nothing less!
Amen. I just gave too. It's funny, I've been a user/supporter of Freenet for a while, but it took this whole "herd mentality" to actually get me to give some money. Nice to know others are doing it too.
Can your IM do this?
Nobody could prosecute you for having curtains on your windows, just as I doubt that anyone could prosecute you simply for running Freenet.
Obviously, though, you could be prosecuted for having a meth lab. Just as you could be prosecuted for keeping all the equipment for a meth lab in your house and deliberately letting others use this equipment. That's exactly what Freenet's doing: you're opening up your computer for others to use to transmit data. In other words, you become an accessory to crime.
Put differently, you won't be prosecuted for running Freenet. You'll be prosecuted when your Freenet transmits illegal data, as is inevitable given Freenet's design.
Stuff like this is why I love PayPal. A few bucks here and there, takes about ten seconds to actually do the transaction. Very cool. Hopefully more Open Source/Free Software projects can use such a model to fund full time developers.
The moral of the story is: Have an understanding ISP. I've had experience with a few. Not too many tho.
One wasn't understanding, and he lopped my account real fast.
My current one seems to have a bit of a clue and knows a little of what I get up to, so I can trust they won't be unplugging anything too soon.
Try and be like jelly: They squash you here, you appear there. If FreeNet does gain critical mass ahead of the dodgy dealers influx, then we may have a case for our survival. So don't trade those MP3z just yet.
I worked with some folks from Romania a while back. $1000 a month there is about five times the national average salary there and if you pay them in dollars it goes a lot farther since inflation runs in the 20+% range. In a global economy, you can stretch you dollar a lot farther.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Have you used freenet? If not, get a client and fire it up - it's not terribly difficult to do. During the two or three days I played around with it, I found:
The client that comes with the freenet package that I got works as a mini-webserver: that is, you can connect to your box on port 8081 through your browser of choice. From then on, it's just like using the web.
Try it out - it's like having your own private, anonymous internet. So if you're asking about legitimate uses, it's like asking about legitimate uses to the ordinary web. Sure, you could use the web to trade warez, but you could also put up a personal home page.
-Denor
but there paying him 2500... at least there optimistic they will get 500 more. I plan to donate.
All i can tell from looking at their site is that it is a webpage for publishing specific political writings and sensational quasi-journalism like Peter (Spycatcher) Wright's and David Shayler's revelations about MI5 that hopes to one day have their own browser.
worldwide information exchange was possible before the internet boom. Let's go back to a fidonet or uucp-based scheme. This can't be stopped, short of banning modems everywhere :)
Is being worked on, i havent tried it but its at
http://thalassocracy.org/libfreenet/
I would add that people should also be more mature about information gathered from Freenet. As the knowledge contained within may be blatantly false. So dumbing it down too much could be considered a "bad" thing, therefore it's important to educate people how to treat such information (most people will probably figure this out in short amount of time though ;).
- Steeltoe
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/
According to their philosophy, Freenet is about freedom of speech. Anonymity is an aspect of this freedom and so is privacy. The option of anonymity is required for freedom of speech to exist (a more detailed explination is on their page). A person should also have the option to have their speech be kept private so only the indended recepient knows what is being said.
In case it's not clear, I am agreeing with you that Freenet is about anonymity, I'm just saying that privacy is also an important component to Freenet.
As for the differences between Freenet and privacy tools, they do have different end goals, but the same premise of free speech.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
I suppose all those people using PGP (or GnuPG) must have "bad" things in them. I suppose any sort of encryption must be used for "bad" things now that you mention it.
The fact is that the internet was not designed for privacy and it is only natural that people will want their privacy. I don't have curtins on my windows because I have methlab or something, I just don't want people to be able to look in my house all the time. FreeNet and other encrypted/private communication mechanisms are just a natural extension of the internet: people want to communicate instantly and have instant access to information, but sometimes they want it to be private.
Things you think are in the Constitution, but are not.
I am the "All things business" manager at LiveJournal, an open source, member supported community. We've raised around $80,000 since we started doing memberships, and now have three paid staffmembers.
I think the ultimate goal of open source projects should be to empower both users and designers. Part of that empowerment is making it possible for people to support the project, not only as coders and developers, but as active donors to the site. It's time for open source projects to put out the virtual tip jar... but the question I hear a lot is how do you make it work so that people actually support what you create?
The answer is kinda simple. You communicate with them, empower them, encourage them, get them to trust you, and ideally give them what they want. Admittedly, we do community design at LJ, so it's easier to build that kind of communication, but the same principles apply, and there are a ton of open source tools out there to add community to your website. Use them. Don't just throw some content up on a site that only a machine could love... Be human. Design your software for humans, too. Make communication easier within your group, and take the time to build in community on your site before you start building your software.
It is painfully hard for a group of people to build anything without effective communication. Don't take it for granted.
Donations on the larger scale are VERY predictable, but it all comes down to this -- your work is only worth as much as others value it.
I mean, it's not like I could just start suing people for trading mp3s, could I?
If you worked for Fraunhofer, you could, as MPEG layer 3 technology is patented. If the pirates were using Ogg Vorbis, on the other hand...
Will I retire or break 10K?
when most isp's/cable/dsl providers prohibit you from running servers?
I have great hopes for Freenet's future, but the current implementation is agonisingly slow and difficult to find anything with (unless you have a link to it). The project really needs to implement a decent search protocol.
I donated a while back when they first setup the donation system for Freenet. Look guys, donating $10 to $20 costs you as much as one of those bargin-bin video games, but it gives you so much more: hope for a free network. I wonder what Carnivore (or whatever that packet sniffer that the feds are using is called) thinks of Freenet.
Yup. A nice white t-shirt with the unofficial Freenet logo emblazed on it: concentric circles radiating out from the middle.
Synonyms: see bullseye.
It makes it so much easier for the MPAA / RIAA goons to target, er, identify you....
-- Agthorr
Of course, it's much better to donate by credit card, than to not donate at all. :>
Also, please note that your contributions are tax-deductible (at least in the USA).
-- Agthorr
The whole goal of the 0.4 phase was to increase efficency. A C++ version called "whiterose" is being worked on (it actualy seems to be in a propetual state of "being worked on" :).
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I kinda hate to break this to you, but Oskar isn't exactly going to be doing grunt work. He's been in Freenet development, IIRC, for about two years and has always done the Ugly Innards of Freenet. He wrote documentation once "when I was young and stupid" (so he says). There's no way he's going to be doing grunt work. From what I've read on the Freenet mailing lists, he'll be working on getting the next version of Freenet in working order, particularly a new system of node announcement which will do away with Freenet's last centralization (inform.php).
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Hello!
It's called a "reference implementation".
Why Java?
I'm sure once the reference implementation is complete (or even before) a properly optimized C++ version will be attempted. Writing platform independed C++ isn't exactly a walk in the park...
That is a good initiative, but they are certainly not the first one to have it.
Doesn't 2600 use donations to pay their lawyers and legal fees?
What about FSF?
If that's the case, I'll mitigate my comments, and note that the person who wrote that should consider that a large majority of users out there who might use Freenet are Windows users, and might not get the subtlity of the humor. =)
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"I am an Adept of Tantric VAX."
Ouch. ;) Seriously, a good point. (Glad I worded it the way I had.) No, I can't seriously expect them to jump up and do what I say; Lordy, I would HOPE they wouldn't do that! =)
If it's their ideals that anyone who uses Winders is a fool, well, I'm not going to change anyone's mind on the Internet. =) I was just thinking that, maybe, they would want to get the word out, to get as many Freenet nodes out there, irrelevant of OS, and that if that was the case, then they might not want to alienate some not-as-humor-inclined. =)
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"I am an Adept of Tantric VAX."
by my comment, I was referring to the old SCOTUS ruling about (to paraphrase) "the right to free speech ends at shouting 'fire!' in a crowded movie theater."
Now, shouting 'FIRE!' when there IS a fire sounds to me like a Pretty Good Idea. =) Shouting 'FIRE!' just to panic people is... well, just what is it? Fraud comes to mind, but it doesn't seem like a 'right' of any sort.
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"I am an Adept of Tantric VAX."
Freenet is a darn good thing, and something we should all support in whatever ways we can. We MUST preserve free speech (not neccessarilly free-as-in-'FIRE!' speech, of course) on the net, if nothing else, and Freenet garauntees it.
I would like to entreat the guiding hands behind Freenet, however, to consider the greater audience out there. Yes, the project is working with Open Source tools, and that's a good thing! However, it must be accessable to everyone. They can't afford to alienate any potential users of Freenet. For that reason, calling the directory that the Windows usage guide in, 'Freenet for Fools,' could be considered insulting to Windows users.
I know, this is /., where anyone who relies entirely on a Windows machine is a chump, and just SO needs flaming change to get on the clue bus, hurled at him at supercavitating speeds. Come on, let's think about this maturely. I hate Microsoft as much as any other person who's had to clean up after BSODs (sometimes I can see a blue residue on the screen after rebooting...) but MS machines are Out There, and people will be using them.
Freenet essentially calling a fair amount of their user base 'fools' to their face will just turn those users away. "Oh, more elitist Linux users," they'll sigh. "If I join Freenet I'll just be exposed to more of that elitist crap. Screw it, I'm not putting up with that." And one more potential Freenet node disappears.
Good riddance to bad rubbish? You miss the point of Freenet. Freenet is Free Speech without harrassment. Free Speech without fear of being taken down by a government. Free Speech without fear of being dragged into a court. (And believe me, there are some courts in this world where you won't even have the courtesy of being ordered to bend over a barrel; a bullet in the back of the head is far more likely.)
Freenet should not involved in the OS warz. Maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion, but remember, this is coming from a grey-matta-flambe helpdesk drudge. That's all I have to say. =)
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sulli
RTFJ.
We absolutely need that kind too. Sometimes there is a fire, and you need to warn people! By comparison, Freenet needs to support a very broad range of speech, even stuff that the powers that be (e.g. political speech in China) find "patently offensive."
sulli
RTFJ.
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day.
Teach him to eat and he will fish forever.
Why do you think so many people are rejoicing about the ability to download mp3s without getting caught? I have seen very few posts where people are excited about this proposal. I have seen more enthusiasm about the philosophy behind Freenet.
I have little information on whether many of the people are rejoicing because of being able to steal mp3s anonymously. I don't think stealing is what the Slashdot community considers freedom. And for the most part, I don't think some in the Slashdot community know what they want. They just know what they don't like and are unsure what to do about it.
It's important for these projects to have some fulltime staff around because they do ongoing grunt work (writing unglamorous utilities etc.) that it's hard to find volunteers for. So I just donated some $ to the Freenet project and hope that they can continue to keep people like Oskar on board. One thing the FSF found is that it's generally preferable to keep people around for longer periods than a few months, so they can do bigger projects, but one does what one can.
It is just the Slashdot effect-- I went to the link for donating right when this story was first posted and the last few donations went back a month in time (I believe), with the last one viewable being for $1000 from an Anonymous donation (since it's automatic, I assume this was manually entered into the donations listing).
There had been no donations today (June 11th). It's really great to see so many people donating though (myself included), and it'll hopefully help them if/when they get into any legal troubles. Plus, they might get to add more developers if things keep going the way they have. =)
All I know about Bush is I had a good job when Clinton was president.
is another very good way to sweeten the pot.
Then again, I think I'm talking about a differenct pot...;)
Is this the measure of critical mass for an OSS Project? When they hire their first employee, or is there some other more appropriate measure?
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Since Freenet traffic is encrypted, wouldn't it be a violation of the DMCA (sp?) for the IP agents to analyze it?
This is really a great idea. Instead of the tradional model of buying products, we should donate to the programmers themselves as long as they're doing their job. In this way, if they get lazy and, say, delay a release or have a serious bug in a news version, we take away some of their money.
Starving programmers! What a novel idea!
"I'll just chip in a bit for RedHat: I actually have that installed on my university machine." - Linus, '95
I was best friends with an Oskar Sandberg all through elementary school, before he went back to Sweden (his father's a diplomat).
I've only seen him once since, on a trip to Scandinavia.
Either a small world or a very common name (though switchboard comes up empty). Oscar: If "Red Diamond" means anything to you, email me!
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I don't think that follows.
Freenet is not about privacy, it's about anonymity. Encrypted email or other communications can easily be justified by because privacy is valued by most people. Everyone has information they would rather keep quiet. The value of anonymity is not nearly as easily recognizable.
This is not meant to launch a debate on the merits of anonymity -- just to point out the difference between Freenet and privacy tools like GnuPG.
How long before they hire agents to do traffic analysis on the net looking for heavy Freenet usage. Even though they don't know what's being moved, it must be "bad", or they wouldn't be trying to hide it.
They'll point this out to the users' ISPs, who would in turn threaten to disconnect them. A few well-publicized incidents could prevent Freenet from ever reaching critical mass. So much for the free information utopia.
How long will take until RIAA sues Freenet to?
And the best of it. How long will take until we have a contingent plan in case RIAA sues Freenet?
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I know life isn't fair, but why can't it ever be un-fair in MY favor!?
Not in a million years...
I hear you and couldn't agree more. And I agree that we will come up with methods to circumvent the freedom squashers. They won't be able to easily shut down the traffic, but they would still be able to infiltrate the networks, and come knocking on your doors.
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All the trolls and the goat* bunch. Not to mention the other mysterious elements around here. Oh, and as soon as congress gets a whiff of this, it'll be a federal crime to run freenet software. And it will be fun to see what a U.S court will come up with when dealing with freenet. If nothing else, it'll be good for a slashdot story.
-- Another senseless waste of fine bytes.
Wearable computing for example needs an interface for information retrieval that can be acessed by multiple means. A voice request "compute my portfolio value if I invest $5000 in IBM in 1 hour" would need a complex search algorithm designed to weave multiple threads of information.
Is this the intent?
-TK
I may only be an Admiral from the future, but that's my perogative.
Brent Eubanks $10.00 Mon, 11 Jun 2001
ProZ.com $25.00 Mon, 11 Jun 2001
Jeffrey Seifert $10.00 Mon, 11 Jun 2001
Matthew Franklin $100.00 Mon, 11 Jun 2001
Of course this might just be the slashdot effect showing up in their donations, but just from the ten values posted so far we've got a >$50/day average...
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You'll have to ask Phillip GreenspIn from ArsDigita...
If people were only interested in the money, the free software movement hadn't got anywhere. People who write open source software do this because they are interested in it and they can also make something useful for other people. How much will they expect to be paid ? Well i'd say $0 a month. And how many times more is 2500 than 0 ? 2500 / 0 .... error: infinit.
Open source is not about doing a job to buy a nice car, it's rather a hobby and nothing you are pressed to do and it can be fun ! Which you can't say of most jobs out there.
I'd say you never ever participated in such a project, and aren't even close to it in the near future.
i just hope he has plans to speed it up, the java byte-code, however easyily portable, is very painfully slow and increadibly lossy... maybe a c version for un*x users and let windows die on java? what's the point of sharing 600Mb files that take 3.5 days to download?