You definitly have a point there...with the removing SMP and such.
But don't kid yourself and think that AMD and Intel have hidden cpu's that are running at way higher clock speeds and have all sorts of cool new tech in them because that isn't true. They pretty much don't have anything better then you can get right now that they can actually produce in large quantities. A 25Ghz. CPU is useless unless you can get a good manufacturing yield on it... Those blocks of silicon are expensive...VERY expensive. If you don't wnat your CPU to cost a couple thousand dollars or more you have to get by without wasting as much as possible. Plus, people know way to much about what goes on in those companies, they kind of crap would get reported.
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Ya, most of us have probably already seen the results of the flask-mpeg4 decoder program when it was optimized for P4..it absolutely killed everything else. P4 is young, and costly, but it is not horrible. AMD users were certainly love SSE2 when they have it on there chips....
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The truth is they probably have no credentials. I don't trust anyone who uses polls from Anandtech as "market information". I wouldn't doubt at all that AMD pays them off.
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Ok, I am not a huge Intel advocate but I have to say that stating the chip is slower Mhz. to Mhz. is really stupid when they don't actually run at the same clockspeed. Hell, based on that arguement we should all run G4's, UltraSparc's, or Alpha processers which are all much faster Mhz. to Mhz. then then any Pentium or Athlon.
The P4 sure needs some work, and I wouldn't be caught buying one these days, but the chip is not worthless. You will notice since it's creation AMD has started talking about putting SSE2 into there new chips because they realize just how good it is. AMD can also easily adopt the new, more powerful, spec. power supplies and such Intel now calls for so they don't have users having power issues with there processors and the latest and greatest graphics cards.
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You also might want to note that 75watts is the MAX power consuption for the P4... the average is about 55 watts....
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No, that wasn't my point, my point was the poll was meaningless, and it wasn't taken by a vary large amount of people, yet they were using it as the average persons opinion. The article was very unprofessional and quite frankly all there methods for testing what they were trying to test were flawed. You would think a market research company would be a little more careful. Do they even know what cache is used for?!?
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That article is almost complete garbage. They make incorrect assumptions about the cache system and even site benchmarks that seamingly prove they are wrong. The P4 is certainly not the end all of microprocessors but there theory on wasted bandwidth is completely incorrect. Also, the power consumptions they speak of is the max power consumption, which means little when the average is in the 50~60Watt range. I really like the added touch of adding a user poll from a form site where probably 90% of the users are AMD fanatics... I could easily find a site out there that gave the opposite results. I think Bert McComas needs to do a little more research next time, he might want to start with the datasheets on the product.
I might not have such a big problem with this if there Linux client wasn't as featurless as it is, and if they had clients for other systems like be. It even looks like gaim....at least gaim about 10 releases ago....
Ya, notice that while 3Com owned Palm this lawsuit never came up. A lawsuit like this is appauling...just plain rediculous. As much as I hate MS and it's business practices I wish NCR would try to sue them on an issue as stupid like this because then NCR would be no more.
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You definitly have a point there...with the removing SMP and such. But don't kid yourself and think that AMD and Intel have hidden cpu's that are running at way higher clock speeds and have all sorts of cool new tech in them because that isn't true. They pretty much don't have anything better then you can get right now that they can actually produce in large quantities. A 25Ghz. CPU is useless unless you can get a good manufacturing yield on it... Those blocks of silicon are expensive...VERY expensive. If you don't wnat your CPU to cost a couple thousand dollars or more you have to get by without wasting as much as possible. Plus, people know way to much about what goes on in those companies, they kind of crap would get reported.
Ya, most of us have probably already seen the results of the flask-mpeg4 decoder program when it was optimized for P4..it absolutely killed everything else. P4 is young, and costly, but it is not horrible. AMD users were certainly love SSE2 when they have it on there chips....
The truth is they probably have no credentials. I don't trust anyone who uses polls from Anandtech as "market information". I wouldn't doubt at all that AMD pays them off.
Ok, I am not a huge Intel advocate but I have to say that stating the chip is slower Mhz. to Mhz. is really stupid when they don't actually run at the same clockspeed. Hell, based on that arguement we should all run G4's, UltraSparc's, or Alpha processers which are all much faster Mhz. to Mhz. then then any Pentium or Athlon. The P4 sure needs some work, and I wouldn't be caught buying one these days, but the chip is not worthless. You will notice since it's creation AMD has started talking about putting SSE2 into there new chips because they realize just how good it is. AMD can also easily adopt the new, more powerful, spec. power supplies and such Intel now calls for so they don't have users having power issues with there processors and the latest and greatest graphics cards.
You also might want to note that 75watts is the MAX power consuption for the P4... the average is about 55 watts....
No, that wasn't my point, my point was the poll was meaningless, and it wasn't taken by a vary large amount of people, yet they were using it as the average persons opinion. The article was very unprofessional and quite frankly all there methods for testing what they were trying to test were flawed. You would think a market research company would be a little more careful. Do they even know what cache is used for?!?
That article is almost complete garbage. They make incorrect assumptions about the cache system and even site benchmarks that seamingly prove they are wrong. The P4 is certainly not the end all of microprocessors but there theory on wasted bandwidth is completely incorrect. Also, the power consumptions they speak of is the max power consumption, which means little when the average is in the 50~60Watt range. I really like the added touch of adding a user poll from a form site where probably 90% of the users are AMD fanatics... I could easily find a site out there that gave the opposite results. I think Bert McComas needs to do a little more research next time, he might want to start with the datasheets on the product.
I might not have such a big problem with this if there Linux client wasn't as featurless as it is, and if they had clients for other systems like be. It even looks like gaim....at least gaim about 10 releases ago....
Ya, notice that while 3Com owned Palm this lawsuit never came up. A lawsuit like this is appauling...just plain rediculous. As much as I hate MS and it's business practices I wish NCR would try to sue them on an issue as stupid like this because then NCR would be no more.