Now I know that this looks like a call for security through obscurity (see also here), but it is an interesting point. It appears the argument is that but for the distribution of the patch, there woudn't have been an exploit. I don't know how often that is true, if ever. But it does appear worth investigation.
It may be that it does happen sometimes, but more likely than not it happens the other way around. We've all heard about the MSIE holes that were floating around for weeks before MS released a fix for them. Fact is, if there are vulnerabilities, closed source or not, people will find them. They don't need the vendors to show them to us. From a logical perspective, unless somebody came up with an exploit already, the vendor would probably not have released a patch in the first place. It makes them look bad, having to release security patches all the time. Look at Microsoft, for example.
If it sounds like a call for security through obscurity, tastes like a call for security through obscrurity, and quackes like a call for security through obscurity, then it is a call for security through obscurity.
Yes, and cell phone makers are required to build the phone that you want, and only you want. It's your right as an individual to make everyone else bend to your will. Other people want color phones? Damn them, indeed!
Oh wait, I forget that we have a free-market... guess you did, too.
That's strange, because that's exactly what I did. My sister's computer now has Debian 3.0 on it, and it does everything she wants, no problem.
It works so well for, in fact, that after my parents computer got overrun with spyware and pop-up ads, I installed Linux on it, too. And now it's the only OS running in our house. No one in my (non-technical) family misses Windows one bit.
I'm in the process of swaying my girlfriend to the Linux-side. We'll see how that goes...
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I don't know what version of MythTV you were running, but I've been using it for 4 or 5 months with almost no problems. On ocassion, video won't be there or the channel won't change or there is no sound, but usually the problem isn't with Myth but with me (whoops; seperate module for the tuner...) But no lockups. Perhaps your problem was a system problem as well; immature driver for your capture card or video card?
In any case, my experience with mythtv has been superb. Never miss an episode of Family Guy, no matter how many times CN changes the line up!
Why would farmers do things in an intentionally inefficient way? If, as you suppose, farmers are nothing but money-grubbing profit-mongers, wouldn't they be all the/more/ likely to do things in an efficient way? I mean, if they can use 1 acre to make $100 or 1 acre to make $1000, obviously they'd do that latter.
If anything, your argument only supports the argument that farmers are mindless and stupid. But that's only individual farmers. True commercial entities are far less likely to act in a "stupid" way, since they are there actually to make money, not just because their daddy farmed and gosh-darnit so will they.
I think the more logical approach is rather to more thoroughly develop the existing standing LEAP. Just because MS made a new standard doesn't mean that everyone has to use it.
Seems to me it is a much more efficient use of man-power to just ignore it; maybe it will go away. I don't see why Cisco would invest their time in money in making themselves compatible to a competing technology. The only one who benefits from it is MS, therefore, they should be the only ones to use it. And if they/are/ the only ones to use it, it doesn't even benefit them.
This argument is akin to the one used against guns. Namely, believing that by taking guns away from the hands of the innocent, they will no longer be used by the guilty. In this case, Microsoft is saying, 'We'll keep people who really need to know about this from knowing it. Obviously, when that happens, the bad guys will no longer use it.'
You forget, however, that Intel's compiler does not support many GCC extentions, specifically the all-important inline asm extension. Without this, the compiler has no chance of compiling the kernel. Not to mention that only GCC is supported.
Its about time that there was some sense brought into the American legal system. This particular lawsuit was just one in a series or frivilous lawsuits, all filed by the parents of the children who were killed in the shooting. Its understandable for them to be greif-stricken, but these lawsuits are not the way for them to deal with it. In addition to them suing id, and some other game/media companies, they also sued the school, including all teachers/administrators that the convicted shooter had from the 2nd grade to present. If I recall correctly, this case was thrown out also. Just one more note, its not Paducah county, is McCracken county. Paducah is the major city in McCracken county.
Althought a wee bit off topic, I feel some corrections need to be made to his statments. First off all, There is no proof that man is destroying the planet. Using resources yes, destroying it, no. No scientist can pin down Earth's warming trend to Greenhouse gases. Its possible, and logical, that we are still coming out of the ice ages. Second, the United States' founding principles are the best government ever created. To claim otherwise is almost always the insane ramblings of a communist. Although the US government of the 1990's is far from perfect due to corruption, beauracracy, and over-regulation, it is still, IMHO, the best on the planet. Finally, the concept of God cannot be proven. To say that humans are gods is inherently flawed, as gods must be all powerful and perfect, of which humans are, unfortunately, neither.
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It may be that it does happen sometimes, but more likely than not it happens the other way around. We've all heard about the MSIE holes that were floating around for weeks before MS released a fix for them. Fact is, if there are vulnerabilities, closed source or not, people will find them. They don't need the vendors to show them to us. From a logical perspective, unless somebody came up with an exploit already, the vendor would probably not have released a patch in the first place. It makes them look bad, having to release security patches all the time. Look at Microsoft, for example.
If it sounds like a call for security through obscurity, tastes like a call for security through obscrurity, and quackes like a call for security through obscurity, then it is a call for security through obscurity.
Yes, and cell phone makers are required to build the phone that you want, and only you want. It's your right as an individual to make everyone else bend to your will. Other people want color phones? Damn them, indeed!
Oh wait, I forget that we have a free-market... guess you did, too.
Wow, user apps can crash your OS? Sounds like you shouldn't take out your anger on Real Player just yet.
That's strange, because that's exactly what I did. My sister's computer now has Debian 3.0 on it, and it does everything she wants, no problem.
It works so well for, in fact, that after my parents computer got overrun with spyware and pop-up ads, I installed Linux on it, too. And now it's the only OS running in our house. No one in my (non-technical) family misses Windows one bit.
I'm in the process of swaying my girlfriend to the Linux-side. We'll see how that goes...
I don't know what version of MythTV you were running, but I've been using it for 4 or 5 months with almost no problems. On ocassion, video won't be there or the channel won't change or there is no sound, but usually the problem isn't with Myth but with me (whoops; seperate module for the tuner...) But no lockups. Perhaps your problem was a system problem as well; immature driver for your capture card or video card?
In any case, my experience with mythtv has been superb. Never miss an episode of Family Guy, no matter how many times CN changes the line up!
Why would farmers do things in an intentionally inefficient way? If, as you suppose, farmers are nothing but money-grubbing profit-mongers, wouldn't they be all the /more/ likely to do things in an efficient way? I mean, if they can use 1 acre to make $100 or 1 acre to make $1000, obviously they'd do that latter.
If anything, your argument only supports the argument that farmers are mindless and stupid. But that's only individual farmers. True commercial entities are far less likely to act in a "stupid" way, since they are there actually to make money, not just because their daddy farmed and gosh-darnit so will they.
I think the more logical approach is rather to more thoroughly develop the existing standing LEAP. Just because MS made a new standard doesn't mean that everyone has to use it.
/are/ the only ones to use it, it doesn't even benefit them.
Seems to me it is a much more efficient use of man-power to just ignore it; maybe it will go away. I don't see why Cisco would invest their time in money in making themselves compatible to a competing technology. The only one who benefits from it is MS, therefore, they should be the only ones to use it. And if they
This argument is akin to the one used against guns. Namely, believing that by taking guns away from the hands of the innocent, they will no longer be used by the guilty. In this case, Microsoft is saying, 'We'll keep people who really need to know about this from knowing it. Obviously, when that happens, the bad guys will no longer use it.'
You forget, however, that Intel's compiler does not support many GCC extentions, specifically the all-important inline asm extension. Without this, the compiler has no chance of compiling the kernel. Not to mention that only GCC is supported.
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Its about time that there was some sense brought into the American legal system. This particular lawsuit was just one in a series or frivilous lawsuits, all filed by the parents of the children who were killed in the shooting. Its understandable for them to be greif-stricken, but these lawsuits are not the way for them to deal with it. In addition to them suing id, and some other game/media companies, they also sued the school, including all teachers/administrators that the convicted shooter had from the 2nd grade to present. If I recall correctly, this case was thrown out also. Just one more note, its not Paducah county, is McCracken county. Paducah is the major city in McCracken county.
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I personally think that these things should remain confidential, and are no one else's business. I suspect that this is the opinion of most /. readers.
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Althought a wee bit off topic, I feel some corrections need to be made to his statments. First off all, There is no proof that man is destroying the planet. Using resources yes, destroying it, no. No scientist can pin down Earth's warming trend to Greenhouse gases. Its possible, and logical, that we are still coming out of the ice ages. Second, the United States' founding principles are the best government ever created. To claim otherwise is almost always the insane ramblings of a communist. Although the US government of the 1990's is far from perfect due to corruption, beauracracy, and over-regulation, it is still, IMHO, the best on the planet. Finally, the concept of God cannot be proven. To say that humans are gods is inherently flawed, as gods must be all powerful and perfect, of which humans are, unfortunately, neither.
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