I have had a lot of trouble with unstable lately. First apache-ssl was broken so I ditched that and now libapache-mod-ssl is broken. The fact is becasue packages don't get updated on a schedule you run into situations where apache has been incremented but none of the packages that depend on it have. So you get a broken system.
Unstable is definately not for the faint of heart.
Think about it this way.
You are trying to learn about the history of the US from the US in the US. What makes you think the US will be objective in presenting it's own history within it's own borders knowing full well that vast majority of the people will never look further.
The best way to learn about any country is look outside of itself. Or to quote the butthole surfers "you never know just how you look in other peoples eyes."
The problem is that XP is not really an operating system. It's a vehicle designed to get people signed up with passport. It is also a medium to deliver windows users advertising. It's also a vehicle for media comapnies to erase unlicenced images, sounds and videos from your computer. That winXP also acts as an operating system is entirely coincedental. It's primary mission is to sell other MS products, sell advertsing and make money for partners of MS and of course harm MS competitiors.
I too love debian but don't kid yourself it too has problems. My main gripe is the branches. The stable branch is too old to do anything with, even some of the testing apps are too old, and unstable lives up to it's name. I love the fact that the debian people think of the system in a wholistic way (the completeness as you say). I love the directory structure, I love how things just magically work together and of course I LOVE LOVE LOVE apt. Somewhere there has to be a solution to having a highly integrated system with the latest apps.
PS. why LSB went with RPM and not apt will aways baffle me. Why not go with superior technology.
PPS. To all the people about to post comments about Freebsd etc please don't bother. I know they exist and they are probably great too but we are talking about linux here.
The fact that Clinton appointed her really has nothing to do with it. Judges often hide their political beliefs and sometimes presidents will appoint judges that lean (slightly) to the other side to play games with congress. Also judges sometimes become more radical after they have a permanent post.
All in all it's a sick state of affairs in this country. The political party you belong to has just as much impact as the facts of the case if not more.
Any flag can represent "evil of which man is capable of inflicting on his fellow man" including the flag of the good old U S of A. In fact you don't even need a flag you can point out this fact when you get to your church too.
I am all for educating the kids about the evil nature of mankind. It seems to me you can do that without putting a vile thing like a iron cross on the bookshelf. Just turn on the TV and explain to your kid how responsible those "taliban" being killed by bombs were for the events of 9-11. Just hope your kid takes you at your word and asks you to justify killing some poor slob of a footsoldier who had absolutely nothing to do anything except being born in some god forsaken country.
I am trying to remember when the last time I read anything bill said that did not contain at least one lie in it. You I can't. If am MS executive hasn't lied to 10 people by lunch he will get fired. I am convinced of that.
"A collector isn't necessarily pro-nazi because he buys German artifacts, any more than he would be pro-slavery because he buys Confederate artifacts, or pro-communist because he buys Soviet artifacts."
No but I would call him a sick and morbid person who somehow relates fondly to mass murder. I have no idea what kind of thoughts goes through one of these guys heads when they are holding an artifact which represents so many deaths but I wager I wouldn't like it.
I want to correct one thing.
There are assets being frozen. The US govt claims this is due to terrorists activity. So far no evidence of any sort has been made public.
if you believe that the US govt is infallible and has never ever lied to anybody under any conditions then yes you can say that terrorists money is being frozen.
Even 2 people per car represents 30 to 50 percent drop in gasoline usage. Add more people to the car and you do even better. My assumption was based on four people which represents 75 percent less use of gasoline. Add back the extra gasoline needed to pick up other users and non transportaion use of gasoline and you might get 20 to 25 percent savings. Coincedentally this is how much gasoline we import from the middle east.
Yes add bicycling and mass transit to that and we could put a serious dent in our gasoline usage and kick this filthy habit once and ofr all.
I really don't know where you are coming from. You honestly expect me to believe that MS the dominant technological company in the world and Bill gates the richest man in the world don't present attractive targets for terrorists? Neither as a possible economic target nor a symbolic attack on Amrican technological superiority?
You really think that a catastrophic collapse of Microsoft stock price is comperable to a airline company in going out of business is belgium?
You really think that going to work in redmond during an active terririst attack with bacteria and viruses is comperable to piloting an airliner today? BTW plenty of pilots were freaked out some refused to fly if any arabs were on board.
I don't think we will agree on anything. It seems like our brains are wired differently.
Actually your math is bad (or I should say poorly thought out). Here let me explain. you say.
"Assume that no extra gasoline is used picking up and dropping off people for a car pool compared to driving your normal route"
This is where you didn't think things our so clearly. Let's assume four people can fit comfortably in a typical car (there are a ton of SUV and minivans out there that seat more but what the hell). So even if a little extra gas was used to pick up and drop off those people it would dwarf in comparison to the gas not being used due to three cars sitting in a garage. Go on to any highway in this country and count to number of cars that have only one person in them. How efficient or ethical is it to use all that gasoline just to haul one person to the 7-11 to get a pack of cigarettes?
"What is your point? That we should stop eating tuna so that there will be more tuna swimming in the water? "
Yes damn right we should eat less tuna so that there will be more swimming in the water. Why is this thought repugnant to you? How about reducing the tuna kill every year to a number which will guarantee that they will not go extinct. I am talking about a sustainable yield and not one pound more. Why is that so hard to understand? Why are you people unable to see the world in anything but black or white?
"With water/air, you don't pollute it to make a profit, you make a profit and the by-product is pollution."
What is the difference? either way you have to pollute and the end result is the same. Are you saying pollution is not real if it was made as a byproduct of making profit?
"Every century it gets better"
Says who? all those pollutants go into another universe do they? Is there some black hole which you are dumping them into? It gets diffused, it falls back to earth, it gets absorbed into the oceans but it does not go away. Sorry.
"Spoken like a true greenie. Yes, let's kill and hurt people to protect plants and animals! (All three of which are renewable resources, but I'll let you decide which one is more valuable.) "
yes plants are animals are theoretically renewable but unfortunately they are being consumed faster then they are being renewed. The forests, topsoil, coral, plankton, etc are being consumed much faster then they are being replenished. Sorry the word renewable only applies in the abstract sense not in the real world.
First of all I don't advocate killing people. Violence must be directed at economic targets to make the cost of extracting resources higher. Killing a logger or a fisherman accomplishes nothing. To their employees these people are "renewable resources" and will simply be replaced by the next guy in the street. No CEO will ever weep the death of a logger and rethink his plans to log. What will make him rethink it is the escaling cost of logging due to sabotaging to expensive logging equipment, increased insurance etc. Money is the only thing he cares about and you will only get his attention by raising his costs. BTW although this is violence it's also self defense. Much like we kill people in afghanistan who had absolutely nothing to do with sept 11.
As for you "worth" argument. I can certainly make an argument that some animals are worth much more then humans. It's a matter of supply and demand. If there are only 300 canadian lynx left in the world then one canadian lynx is certainly worth many many humans. There are 5 billion humans in the world. Human life is so cheap that humans themselves kill each other at the slightest provocation. 5000 people killed in NY, a million killed in Iraq, thousands killed in palestine, tens of thousands in africa. There are so many humans tens of thousands starve to death every day.
Even you would probably morn the extinction of the canadian lynx more then you would morn ten thousand dead afghans.
A company would be the ideal target. Especially MS. MS is not only a sybol of the technological superiority of the US but also a significan component of our economy. A collapse of the MS stock would impact the retirement funds and the investment portfolio of just about every American. A fall of MS stock price to near zero would also take down several major companies that are in a tight partnership with MS too. I think you severely underestimate the amount of economic damage this would accomplish.
You also underestimate the smallpox (or any kind of a disease) attack. Sure you could vaccinate all the MS employees but you think they will not rethink their choice of employees? Is the thought of facing death every time you go to work worth the stock options? Knowing that terrorists are out to kill you make you more productive and better able to concentrate on writing code. You think Mundie has a bug up is ass about hackers now imagine him on a tirade about why 50 of his employees died of smallpox.
As for H&M. The reason they killed all those animals is because people were not eating beef and the rest of europe refused to buy british beef. The exact same thing would have to be done here to calm the public and to reassure the rest of the world. Also it does not have to be H&M. It could be brucellosis, KJD (mad cow disease) or anything that might cause even a mild danger to humans. The public will panic and the ranchers will go out of business insurance or not. BTW ranching accounts for a greater percentage of the US economy then the British economy.
"only conclude that terrorists did a good job on you"
Well what they did was to make me realize that anybody with a few thousand dollars can deliver crushing blows to the US economy. Those hijackings cost no more then 50,000 dollars yet they did billions of dollars of damage and the final tally is not even done yet. With that kind of a return I imagine just about anybody who has a beef with the US will get into the act. How many people in South America hate us you think? How many people right here in the US hate the govt?
" The main thing that gets glossed over in his argument is that unlike oil or solar you never get more energy from hydrogen than you put in."
Actually the main thing that gets glossed over is that we use too much energy in the first place. If everybody carpooled one day out of the week we would cut gasoline usage by 25%. Hey we could be free of mideast oil if we just stopped driving one day a week. The solution is so easy too bad it takes actual sacrifice and no american would ever take the bus or carpool, it would be too inconvenient.
"Soory Greenies, that's the way it works. You want to save the enviroment, prove to someone with dollars that there is more dollars to be had and quickly"
And that's why we are all on a collision course with calamity.
There is no profit in preserving life. A bluefin tuna swimming in the ocean is worthless to anybody. The same tuna when killed is worth a thousand dollars. Same with clean waters and clean air. They are both worthless but if you can make a lot of money polluting them.
The problem is one of ethics. Most people are willing to deprive your great grandchildren to make money today. The so called greenies are trying to preseve the remaining planet for future generations. Unfortunately there is no profit in that. As a result they are not as rich are the business owners and shareholders. As a result the natural resources of the world keep spiraling down. Nothing can be done about it except maybe violence.
You know the events of the last month or so have me realizing how fragile our economic system is. If we do end up sucking the people of the third world dry (and I see no reason why we wouldn't) they could crush us so easily. Let me lay out a couple of scenarios for you.
1) A small atomic device gets exloded in redmond wa taking out the entire microsoft campus, all the equipment and virtually the entire workforce. Ms instantly ceases to be force in the world. MS stock becomes worthless and billions invested in that stock magically disappear. The economy collapses almost instantly.
1a) A significant minority of MS employees get infected with a disease (say smallpox) and there is a mass exodus of employees which all of a sudden fear for their lives. Unable to staff itself MS is unable to create new products or keep the current products going and dies a slow and painful death.
2) A handful of cows in a handful of western states get hoof and mouth disease (injected into them by a terrorist of course). Once this happens millions of cows will have to be slaughtered and the people will stop eating meat from the US. Ranchers all over the west go out of business the economy of the west collapses. S
3) Same as above but with dairy.
4) Same as above but with tainted corn or wheat.
As I see it it takes very little effort, money or organization to take us down a notch or two. Four airplanes crashing into three buildings took this country from being in surplus to being in debt. Wen all is tallied including the several years of war that are sure to follow those terrorists did more damage to this country then they ever imagined.
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I have had a lot of trouble with unstable lately. First apache-ssl was broken so I ditched that and now libapache-mod-ssl is broken. The fact is becasue packages don't get updated on a schedule you run into situations where apache has been incremented but none of the packages that depend on it have. So you get a broken system.
Unstable is definately not for the faint of heart.
"If not...my God. WTF happened to my country? I want it back"
You can't have it back. It costs too much and you can't afford it.
Think about it this way.
You are trying to learn about the history of the US from the US in the US. What makes you think the US will be objective in presenting it's own history within it's own borders knowing full well that vast majority of the people will never look further.
The best way to learn about any country is look outside of itself. Or to quote the butthole surfers "you never know just how you look in other peoples eyes."
So you are thief too.
Nice.
The problem is that XP is not really an operating system. It's a vehicle designed to get people signed up with passport. It is also a medium to deliver windows users advertising. It's also a vehicle for media comapnies to erase unlicenced images, sounds and videos from your computer. That winXP also acts as an operating system is entirely coincedental. It's primary mission is to sell other MS products, sell advertsing and make money for partners of MS and of course harm MS competitiors.
It's a tarpit for suckers and fools.
I too love debian but don't kid yourself it too has problems. My main gripe is the branches. The stable branch is too old to do anything with, even some of the testing apps are too old, and unstable lives up to it's name. I love the fact that the debian people think of the system in a wholistic way (the completeness as you say). I love the directory structure, I love how things just magically work together and of course I LOVE LOVE LOVE apt. Somewhere there has to be a solution to having a highly integrated system with the latest apps.
PS. why LSB went with RPM and not apt will aways baffle me. Why not go with superior technology.
PPS. To all the people about to post comments about Freebsd etc please don't bother. I know they exist and they are probably great too but we are talking about linux here.
The fact that Clinton appointed her really has nothing to do with it. Judges often hide their political beliefs and sometimes presidents will appoint judges that lean (slightly) to the other side to play games with congress. Also judges sometimes become more radical after they have a permanent post.
All in all it's a sick state of affairs in this country. The political party you belong to has just as much impact as the facts of the case if not more.
Any flag can represent "evil of which man is capable of inflicting on his fellow man" including the flag of the good old U S of A. In fact you don't even need a flag you can point out this fact when you get to your church too.
I am all for educating the kids about the evil nature of mankind. It seems to me you can do that without putting a vile thing like a iron cross on the bookshelf. Just turn on the TV and explain to your kid how responsible those "taliban" being killed by bombs were for the events of 9-11. Just hope your kid takes you at your word and asks you to justify killing some poor slob of a footsoldier who had absolutely nothing to do anything except being born in some god forsaken country.
I am trying to remember when the last time I read anything bill said that did not contain at least one lie in it. You I can't. If am MS executive hasn't lied to 10 people by lunch he will get fired. I am convinced of that.
I wonder if she will feel the same way when the bombers are killing people in India? It's just a mtter of time.
"A collector isn't necessarily pro-nazi because he buys German artifacts, any more than he would be pro-slavery because he buys Confederate artifacts, or pro-communist because he buys Soviet artifacts."
No but I would call him a sick and morbid person who somehow relates fondly to mass murder. I have no idea what kind of thoughts goes through one of these guys heads when they are holding an artifact which represents so many deaths but I wager I wouldn't like it.
I want to correct one thing.
There are assets being frozen. The US govt claims this is due to terrorists activity. So far no evidence of any sort has been made public.
if you believe that the US govt is infallible and has never ever lied to anybody under any conditions then yes you can say that terrorists money is being frozen.
Even 2 people per car represents 30 to 50 percent drop in gasoline usage. Add more people to the car and you do even better. My assumption was based on four people which represents 75 percent less use of gasoline. Add back the extra gasoline needed to pick up other users and non transportaion use of gasoline and you might get 20 to 25 percent savings. Coincedentally this is how much gasoline we import from the middle east.
Yes add bicycling and mass transit to that and we could put a serious dent in our gasoline usage and kick this filthy habit once and ofr all.
I really don't know where you are coming from. You honestly expect me to believe that MS the dominant technological company in the world and Bill gates the richest man in the world don't present attractive targets for terrorists? Neither as a possible economic target nor a symbolic attack on Amrican technological superiority?
You really think that a catastrophic collapse of Microsoft stock price is comperable to a airline company in going out of business is belgium?
You really think that going to work in redmond during an active terririst attack with bacteria and viruses is comperable to piloting an airliner today? BTW plenty of pilots were freaked out some refused to fly if any arabs were on board.
I don't think we will agree on anything. It seems like our brains are wired differently.
"I think the attack on your intelligence was warranted."
Especially since he missed your point entirely.
Next time anybody says that ask him how much he paid for IE.
Next time voe for a Democrat.
"its a fine line to walk, but ultimately you need money (from shareholders) to make money (from customers) to pay money (to employees).
"
Yes but that does not give you a licence to commit crimes and does not excuse from punishment once you commit crimes.
Actually your math is bad (or I should say poorly thought out). Here let me explain. you say.
"Assume that no extra gasoline is used picking up and dropping off people for a car pool compared to driving your normal route"
This is where you didn't think things our so clearly. Let's assume four people can fit comfortably in a typical car (there are a ton of SUV and minivans out there that seat more but what the hell). So even if a little extra gas was used to pick up and drop off those people it would dwarf in comparison to the gas not being used due to three cars sitting in a garage. Go on to any highway in this country and count to number of cars that have only one person in them. How efficient or ethical is it to use all that gasoline just to haul one person to the 7-11 to get a pack of cigarettes?
"What is your point? That we should stop eating tuna so that there will be more tuna swimming in the water? "
Yes damn right we should eat less tuna so that there will be more swimming in the water. Why is this thought repugnant to you? How about reducing the tuna kill every year to a number which will guarantee that they will not go extinct. I am talking about a sustainable yield and not one pound more. Why is that so hard to understand? Why are you people unable to see the world in anything but black or white?
"With water/air, you don't pollute it to make a profit, you make a profit and the by-product is pollution."
What is the difference? either way you have to pollute and the end result is the same. Are you saying pollution is not real if it was made as a byproduct of making profit?
"Every century it gets better"
Says who? all those pollutants go into another universe do they? Is there some black hole which you are dumping them into? It gets diffused, it falls back to earth, it gets absorbed into the oceans but it does not go away. Sorry.
"Spoken like a true greenie. Yes, let's kill and hurt people to protect plants and animals! (All three of which are renewable resources, but I'll let you decide which one is more valuable.) "
yes plants are animals are theoretically renewable but unfortunately they are being consumed faster then they are being renewed. The forests, topsoil, coral, plankton, etc are being consumed much faster then they are being replenished. Sorry the word renewable only applies in the abstract sense not in the real world.
First of all I don't advocate killing people. Violence must be directed at economic targets to make the cost of extracting resources higher. Killing a logger or a fisherman accomplishes nothing. To their employees these people are "renewable resources" and will simply be replaced by the next guy in the street. No CEO will ever weep the death of a logger and rethink his plans to log. What will make him rethink it is the escaling cost of logging due to sabotaging to expensive logging equipment, increased insurance etc. Money is the only thing he cares about and you will only get his attention by raising his costs. BTW although this is violence it's also self defense. Much like we kill people in afghanistan who had absolutely nothing to do with sept 11.
As for you "worth" argument. I can certainly make an argument that some animals are worth much more then humans. It's a matter of supply and demand. If there are only 300 canadian lynx left in the world then one canadian lynx is certainly worth many many humans. There are 5 billion humans in the world. Human life is so cheap that humans themselves kill each other at the slightest provocation. 5000 people killed in NY, a million killed in Iraq, thousands killed in palestine, tens of thousands in africa. There are so many humans tens of thousands starve to death every day.
Even you would probably morn the extinction of the canadian lynx more then you would morn ten thousand dead afghans.
A company would be the ideal target. Especially MS. MS is not only a sybol of the technological superiority of the US but also a significan component of our economy. A collapse of the MS stock would impact the retirement funds and the investment portfolio of just about every American. A fall of MS stock price to near zero would also take down several major companies that are in a tight partnership with MS too. I think you severely underestimate the amount of economic damage this would accomplish.
You also underestimate the smallpox (or any kind of a disease) attack. Sure you could vaccinate all the MS employees but you think they will not rethink their choice of employees? Is the thought of facing death every time you go to work worth the stock options? Knowing that terrorists are out to kill you make you more productive and better able to concentrate on writing code. You think Mundie has a bug up is ass about hackers now imagine him on a tirade about why 50 of his employees died of smallpox.
As for H&M. The reason they killed all those animals is because people were not eating beef and the rest of europe refused to buy british beef. The exact same thing would have to be done here to calm the public and to reassure the rest of the world. Also it does not have to be H&M. It could be brucellosis, KJD (mad cow disease) or anything that might cause even a mild danger to humans. The public will panic and the ranchers will go out of business insurance or not. BTW ranching accounts for a greater percentage of the US economy then the British economy.
"only conclude that terrorists did a good job on you"
Well what they did was to make me realize that anybody with a few thousand dollars can deliver crushing blows to the US economy. Those hijackings cost no more then 50,000 dollars yet they did billions of dollars of damage and the final tally is not even done yet. With that kind of a return I imagine just about anybody who has a beef with the US will get into the act. How many people in South America hate us you think? How many people right here in the US hate the govt?
Cool as hell I am putting in the order right away.
" The main thing that gets glossed over in his argument is that unlike oil or solar you never get more energy from hydrogen than you put in."
Actually the main thing that gets glossed over is that we use too much energy in the first place. If everybody carpooled one day out of the week we would cut gasoline usage by 25%. Hey we could be free of mideast oil if we just stopped driving one day a week. The solution is so easy too bad it takes actual sacrifice and no american would ever take the bus or carpool, it would be too inconvenient.
"Soory Greenies, that's the way it works. You want to save the enviroment, prove to someone with dollars that there is more dollars to be had and quickly"
And that's why we are all on a collision course with calamity.
There is no profit in preserving life. A bluefin tuna swimming in the ocean is worthless to anybody. The same tuna when killed is worth a thousand dollars. Same with clean waters and clean air. They are both worthless but if you can make a lot of money polluting them.
The problem is one of ethics. Most people are willing to deprive your great grandchildren to make money today. The so called greenies are trying to preseve the remaining planet for future generations. Unfortunately there is no profit in that. As a result they are not as rich are the business owners and shareholders. As a result the natural resources of the world keep spiraling down. Nothing can be done about it except maybe violence.
You know the events of the last month or so have me realizing how fragile our economic system is. If we do end up sucking the people of the third world dry (and I see no reason why we wouldn't) they could crush us so easily. Let me lay out a couple of scenarios for you.
1) A small atomic device gets exloded in redmond wa taking out the entire microsoft campus, all the equipment and virtually the entire workforce. Ms instantly ceases to be force in the world. MS stock becomes worthless and billions invested in that stock magically disappear. The economy collapses almost instantly.
1a) A significant minority of MS employees get infected with a disease (say smallpox) and there is a mass exodus of employees which all of a sudden fear for their lives. Unable to staff itself MS is unable to create new products or keep the current products going and dies a slow and painful death.
2) A handful of cows in a handful of western states get hoof and mouth disease (injected into them by a terrorist of course). Once this happens millions of cows will have to be slaughtered and the people will stop eating meat from the US. Ranchers all over the west go out of business the economy of the west collapses. S
3) Same as above but with dairy.
4) Same as above but with tainted corn or wheat.
As I see it it takes very little effort, money or organization to take us down a notch or two. Four airplanes crashing into three buildings took this country from being in surplus to being in debt. Wen all is tallied including the several years of war that are sure to follow those terrorists did more damage to this country then they ever imagined.