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The Case For Full Disclosure In The Linux Changelog

titurel writes: "This article on SecurityFocus takes up some interesting thoughts about how Alan Cox's choice not to unveil securitychanges in the kernel changelog could affect other developers." And Jon Lasser is no security dummy -- Along with Jay Beale, he's one of the guys behind Bastille Linux, and the author of the excellent Think Unix.

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  1. This mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree.. by Talonius · · Score: 2

    Does this mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree that full disclosure is bad?

    The kernel is the one thing on my systems that I don't update all that regularly. Mostly because it tends to trash my systems out for whatever reason - so I can see where keeping the security changes out might obfuscate openings for people. But then again - if I know that someone can break into my system because I'm running 2.2.13 - I'm more likely to upgrade, fixing the problem.

    -T

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    1. Re:This mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree.. by hearingaid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You really need to follow the news more closely, as does Jon Lasser.

      Alan Cox did not release the changelogs for Linux kernel 2.20 in the United States for fear of prosecution under the DMCA.

      Cox did release the changelogs internationally, and some of us mirror the censored logs on sites accessible inside the U.S. The reason for the censoring of the logs is that they specify particular applications that can be used to exploit the kernel bug, which could well be interpreted under the DMCA as giving directions to script kiddies.

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    2. Re:This mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree.. by gimpboy · · Score: 1

      and you might want to read the article before posting?

      While at least some of the security changes made in the prerelease of the 2.2.20 Linux kernel have already been discussed elsewhere, Cox claims that describing these changes might be in violation of the same anti-circumvention provisions of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) used to prosecute Russian programmer Dmitri Sklyarov, and cited by Professor Felten in his initial decision not to publish a paper describing weaknesses in SDMI.

      i would say that the author is aware of the reasoning. if you read on you might see his side of the story.

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    3. Re:This mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree.. by hearingaid · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, I did read the article, and I stand by my complaint about Lasser. Of course, he's much closer to the truth than the /. poster I was replying to, but I still think he's overstating the case.

      Cox did release the changelogs. He just didn't release them in the United States. Lasser doesn't mention that fact. Apparently, he's unaware of the world past the land of the DMCA.

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    4. Re:This mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to check your preference settings as you appear to be having some difficulty following the thread of discussion.

      Talonius said "Does this mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree that full disclosure is bad?" to which Hearingaid responded by noting that Alan Cox does not agree with that but merely feels that full disclosure might put him in contravention of US laws.

      Your response that "the author [of the article] is aware of the reasoning" is irrelevant as Talonius, to whom the comment was addressed, apparently wasn't aware of the position... or at least it seems reasonable to suppose that he wasn't aware of it given his question. Whether he was or not, Hearingaid's comment was a reasonable response to his question.

    5. Re:This mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree.. by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 4, Informative
      Does this mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree that full disclosure is bad?
      No, Alan's decision simply reflects that full disclosure is already illegal in the U.S. under some circumstances. That's why I think it's very unfair to call Alan's behavior "self-censorship". In fact, it's censorship by the government. I find it hard to believe that publishing ChangeLogs of your own software can conflict with DMCA requirements, but apparently, Alan consulted a lawyer and he told him that it did.

      Whether full disclosure is good or bad in general is a completely different question and not much related to the question whether it is legal or illegal in the U.S. now.

    6. Re:This mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, this is slashdot. No need for the truth to get in the way of a juicy story. These are not the droids you are looking for. Move along.

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      You really need to follow the news more closely, as does Jon Lasser.

      Alan Cox did not release the changelogs for Linux kernel 2.20 in the United States for fear of prosecution under the DMCA.

      Cox did release the changelogs internationally, and some of us mirror the censored logs on sites accessible inside the U.S. The reason for the censoring of the logs is that they specify particular applications that can be used to exploit the kernel bug, which could well be interpreted under the DMCA as giving directions to script kiddies.

    7. Re:This mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because Microsoft has never claimed disclosure of security flaws is a bad thing. They have just said people should stop publishing script kiddie exploits.

      It's amazing how easily people want to villify the company that they result to paranoia.

    8. Re:This mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree.. by mmontour · · Score: 1

      That's why I think it's very unfair to call Alan's behavior "self-censorship".

      I agree - it's more of a "work to rule" protest.

    9. Re:This mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree.. by MadAhab · · Score: 2

      Well, either you are a non-U.S. resident who is insentitive to the restrictions placed on us by the DMCA, in which case your opinion doesn't count, or else you are a scofflaw who thinks that the option to break the law is an acceptive alternative to freedom. Either way, your opinion is flippant and irresponsible.

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    10. Re:This mean that Linux devs and Microsoft agree.. by hearingaid · · Score: 2

      If you track my posts, you'll discover that I'm a Canadian.

      I'm willing to risk arrest if I visit the United States in order to pursue a claim that the DMCA is unconstitutional. I don't believe it is the law in the United States because it violates the Constitution, and I'm willing to risk arrest and imprisonment if I'm wrong.

      I am also willing to allow whichever Americans that view my website to take the same risk as I am willing to.

      That doesn't mean I think Alan Cox is wrong to do what he did... His situation is different from mine.

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  2. that isn't a terribly considerate thing to do by msim · · Score: 2, Informative

    i mean, aside from the whole DMCA can of worms, it may help hackers, but if its "secure" in the first place after these changes are put in place. My understanding is that if the attackers know what the changes are, it ought to be irreivant, as they ought not to be able to gain access. This is more like another "security through obscurity" trick, than anything.

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    1. Re:that isn't a terribly considerate thing to do by mikiN · · Score: 1

      The issue is whether to document the exact nature of security risks in the first place.

      Not everyone updates their systems to the latest kernel as soon as it is released, so pointing out vulnerabilities in the ChangeLog along with the names of the 'cracker toolz' that exploit them increases the likelihood that systems running older kernels will be attacked.

      This very same problem was seen on the Windows platform with the IIS vulnerabilities exploited by the Code Red worm and it's 'offspring'.

      -Miki

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  3. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  4. For God's sake by trilucid · · Score: 3, Insightful


    how many times does it have to be repeated: Disclose, Disclose, Disclose.

    Full disclosure is essential to the success of any project, especially where security is involved. Heck, even Suits (ornery business types) understand this: in a corporation or LLC, lack of disclosure can lead to loss of limited personal liability.

    This is unacceptable. I could understand a project admin not disclosing trivial changes that didn't go into a release of a product/system, but failing to disclose non-trivial changes that did go in is inexcusable.

    We depend on the proper functioning of group development and understanding in Linux. From folks who just want to keep boxes on their home DSL/cable lines secure, to others (such as myself) who are involved in web hosting businesses, the need is real for disclosure.

    This is very troubling. Surely I'm not getting the whole story here, at least I hope I'm not.

    1. Re:For God's sake by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 2
      This is unacceptable. I could understand a project admin not disclosing trivial changes that didn't go into a release of a product/system, but failing to disclose non-trivial changes that did go in is inexcusable.
      The changes are documented, the patch is available. Non-U.S. citizens can even read the unabridged ChangeLog on the net. So what? If your local legislation doesn't permit you to access some pieces information, and you want to have this information, it's definitely your problem. This isn't something free software developers can deal with. They can warn you and your representatives before passing harmful legislation (if word about it spreads in time), but if such warnings are ignored and annoying laws are pased in some country, it's better to move on and let those who are affected by the mess fight against it.

      In any case, pushing people towards breaking the DMCA is no solution at all.

    2. Re:For God's sake by Tony-A · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is being disclosed, just not in the good ole USA.
      This means that "foreign hackers" have free access to the information and that US sysadmins do not have access to the information.
      It's a stupid law that in this case puts American security at risk. Since we did it to ourselves, there is no reason to expect a brit to emperil himself to attempt to rescue us from our own stupidity.

    3. Re:For God's sake by Thatman311 · · Score: 0

      What a joke. If your group relies on understanding linux AND for your understanding of the kernel you are just reading the changelog you are kidding yourself. If you want a real understanding of the linux kernel do a diff on the sources between the kernel you are running and the kernel that was released. Then you will know all of the little changes that were made. In open source projects full disclosure *always* occurs. JRTFS (just read the fucking source) Only in closed source projects do you have to rely on the "changelogs" because you can't just diff the sources to figure out the changes. If you can't spend the time to diff the sources and understand the differences then your group doesn't "depend on the proper functioning of group development and understanding in Linux". All changelogs do is give people the management overview of the changes. So stop being a pointy-ear.

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    4. Re:For God's sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry but your user id is far too high for you to be making these statements. I insist that anyone purporting to have knowledge of linux and the benefits of disclosure must have at least 3 years of experience in these matters. It is unthinkable that you could have this experience, and yet waited this long to get a slashdot account. It is, actually, unthinkable that anyone with any deeper knowledge of linux would bother to get a slashdot account since the user ids hit 100000.

      So, in summary, who do you think you are?

    5. Re:For God's sake by trilucid · · Score: 0, Troll


      I'm your worst nightmare.

      I guess I really don't give a damn about karma ;).

  5. I support Cox by psicE · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The United States hasn't been the land of the free since the 1960s, and the DMCA just puts us one step closer towards not having freedom of speech. If Alan Cox feels that he needs to block all Americans from seeing the Linux changelogs to make his point, so be it. It's not like he's blocking people who live in free countries from viewing the changelogs. And if the US repeals the DMCA and doesn't pass a similar law, Cox will open up the changelogs again - he believes in keeping them open but doesn't want to get arrested for it, unlike Microsoft who wants to keep them closed as a business strategy.

    1. Re:I support Cox by GauteL · · Score: 2

      Eeeh... please... so the civil rights movement changed nothing?
      The United States may have been the land of the free for YOU in the 1960s, but it sure as hell wasn't for everybody.

      Just because you guys now have some stupid laws, does not mean everything is worse than it used to be.

    2. Re:I support Cox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How old are you punk? Did you live in the 1960's?

      In the 1960's black Americans weren't allowed to vote, eat in restaurants, drink from public fountains, etc.

      A man by the name of Martin Luther King Jr. fought hard to guarantee these rights for all Americans. He died in his battle.

      And yet you sit here and tell us that he was wrong? We were already a free society, and we didn't need him?

      You go back kid and read the history of the 1960's and you'll find that Mr. King was not the only one to be killed fighting for the rights of Americans.

      What a complete putz you must be to think the DMCA is anywhere comparable to the rights of Americans to vote.

  6. Re:Shhhh, Keep this news a secret! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Thank you for discosing your meta-discosure position on discosing discosed information.

    I will now disclothe for all the non-disclosure people in this room. Thank you.

  7. And who exactly.... by EvlPenguin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...would prosocute the kernel developers as a result of full disclosure? I thought the DMCA's "circumvention" clauses only apply to the company/entity that made the product which is being exploited? I seriously doubt anyone on the kernel development team would satrt a lawsuit.

    Alan has done some great work. But he really needs to step off of his soap box for a few minutes.

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    1. Re:And who exactly.... by RickHunter · · Score: 5, Informative

      I believe the suggested exchange would go something like this:

      • L33T H4X0R H finds Linux vulnerability mentioned in kernel changelog.
      • Knowing that many sites do not keep their kernels up-to-date for a variety of reasons, H creates an exploit for said vulnerability.
      • Big Company R has their servers broken into by H, and valuable "intellectual property" is stolen, including copyrighted materials and trade secrets.
      • Big Company R consults with its Lawyers.
      • Big Company R concludes that H is going to be too expensive to track down. The Lawyers, however, have a different target. The Linux changelog was a crucial component in a circumvention device intended to breach protections on R's valuable "intellectual property"!
      • Kernel Hacker A, who happens to be responsible for writing changelogs, visits America on a routine business trip.
      • Federal forces waiting for A grab him, throw him in jail, and leave him there for several months before trying him, convicting him under the DMCA, and leaving him there for several years.

      Now, while you may be eager to spend several years in Jail, Mr. Cox is not.

    2. Re:And who exactly.... by pbryan · · Score: 4, Informative

      The DMCA cannot only applied in civil litigation; it can also be applied in a criminal prosecution. Case in point: Dmitry Sklyarov.

      Dmitry was arrested by the FBI based on a "tip" they received from Adobe. Adobe withdrew their complaint, but that didn't stop the FBI. The FBI concluded that criminal law was being violated, and that Dmitry should be prosecuted.

      If all it takes is one relatively credible tipster to cause the arrest of Cox for violating the DMCA, then Cox's actions seem perfectly reasonable. If he were to visit the United States, he'd like to go home when he's done.

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    3. Re:And who exactly.... by erc · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. Alan is just trying to use his self-appointed "position" in the Linux community to grandstand and make a point. The problem is, his point holds no water whatsoever.

      For someone who is supposedly so smart, he surely picked a stupid point to hang his hat on - censoring change logs becuse of the DMCA is just stupid.

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    4. Re:And who exactly.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is, his point holds no water whatsoever.

      It's too bad you didn't try to prove your assertion here with some kind of supporting fact, reference, or even anecdotal evidence.

    5. Re:And who exactly.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Nonsense. Alan is just trying to use his self-appointed "position" in the Linux community to grandstand and make a point. The problem is, his point holds no water whatsoever.

      > For someone who is supposedly so smart, he surely picked a stupid point to hang his hat on - censoring change logs becuse of the DMCA is just stupid.

      So write Cox, and volunteer to publish those logs in your name. That way, if those legal consequences do wind up happening, they'll happen to you instead. Since the odds are *so* small, you ought not to have a problem with this.

    6. Re:And who exactly.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. And what benefit does Big Company R actually get from having A jailed for several years?

    7. Re:And who exactly.... by RickHunter · · Score: 1

      What benefit does Adobe get for having Skylarov thrown in jail for several years?

      The answer is, as usual, it depends. If some of the information was, say, credit card numbers, they've got a convenient way to say "it wasn't our fault!" Or maybe they aren't acting rationally at all. (and we all know that corporations, big and small, never do that! </sarcasm>) Or maybe they were just lashing out and trying to deflect blame.

  8. DMCA? by autopr0n · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How on earth could Linux security information be a violation of the DMCA? Linux is not a 'content protection system'. The DMCA dosn't say you can't hack, it only says you can't hack content protection.

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    1. Re:DMCA? by mocm · · Score: 5, Informative

      Of course, it is a content protection system. The file permissions protect the content of certain files to be read by certain users.
      So if you have a copyright protected file on your Linux server and only members of the animator group have permission to access it and then some guest or visitor has an account on that server and uses the information in the kernel changelog to get to that file, copy it and distribute it on the net, you have
      a copyright violation case with the breaking of a content protection system covered under the DMCA.
      And guess whose fault is was for publishing the
      information in the changelog.
      Next time Alan Cox comes to the US, he is arrested
      and prosecuted under the DMCA.

      As ridiculous as the example is, it is possible.

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  9. NO LAWSUIT NEEDED. DMCA = FEDERAL CRIME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dude. One of the worst aspects of the DMCA is that it makes violation a federal crime. No lawsuit is required.

    1. Re:NO LAWSUIT NEEDED. DMCA = FEDERAL CRIME by dinivin · · Score: 1

      One of the worst aspects of the DMCA is that it makes violation a federal crime. No lawsuit is required.


      This is completely false. It may indeed be a federal crime, but there is a lawsuit. The US Federal government is the ones that has to pursue the lawsuit.

      Dinivin

    2. Re:NO LAWSUIT NEEDED. DMCA = FEDERAL CRIME by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a suit, but it's a criminal case, not a civil case.

  10. Last weeks Reg news - Today! by Marcus+Brody · · Score: 3

    This is a pretty good discussion of the whole debacle for The register.
    No, Alan Cox is not pro non-disclosure. But it does seem to have been an unintended side affect of his swipe at the DMCA

    1. Re:Last weeks Reg news - Today! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is the exact same article as is linked to from the main story.

    2. Re:Last weeks Reg news - Today! by cruelworld · · Score: 1

      uum...
      No, Alan Cox is not pro non-disclosure

      wtf? want to include some more double negatives in there?

    3. Re:Last weeks Reg news - Today! by leeward · · Score: 1

      No, Alan Cox is not pro non-disclosure.

      Wow, had to read that a couple times to figure it out.

      But it does seem to have been an unintended side affect...

      Somehow, I don't think that was an unintended side affect. Even though he may not say it, this looks to me like ACs way of protesting the DMCA.

  11. Unintended consequences not a Pandora's Box by imrdkl · · Score: 3
    I think I understand the reasoning behind this claim, that Alan Cox could have opened a Pandora's Box, so to speak. Whether in jest or as a form of protest, his actions were widely publicized, and if it starts a trend, maybe there is a problem. The eventual changelog was, however, posted here on /., and I somehow doubt that such actions will be taken again, at least not in protest.

    The international nature of Linux development makes it a potential platform for protest and discontent, but at the same time, developers can and do seem to recognize the importance of their role in the endeavor. They should be excused for occasionally "acting out", imho.

    Politicians aren't made overnight.

    1. Re:Unintended consequences not a Pandora's Box by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think I understand the reasoning behind this claim, that Alan Cox could have opened a Pandora's Box, so to speak. Whether in jest or as a form of protest, his actions were widely publicized, and if it starts a trend, maybe there is a problem.

      There is already a problem. It's called the DMCA. Alan Cox is neither responsible for the existence of the problem or the consequences of the said problem as he's not a US citizen and therefore gets no "say" in making laws there.

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    2. Re:Unintended consequences not a Pandora's Box by imrdkl · · Score: 2
      And just how is this supposed to make Linus feel right now? He's our guest, for crying out loud. You think he's gonna want to hang around much longer in the US if we started arbitrarily prosecuting folks who make Linux possible? And if Linus left, how would that be in our interest?

      Perhaps Mr. Cox is simply speaking out for the little guy. That's ok, but my government is gonna need some time and support to work out the fine distinctions of hat colors now that the information age is upon them. Maybe there aren't just two, after all.

      In fact, the more I think about this, the more I am sure that Mr. Cox thought very carefully about this before doing it. But Linux should transcend these concerns. And imho, should not be used as a political platform at this time.

  12. diff the code? by peterdaly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I totally missing something? If you really want to know what was changed (if not why), can't you just diff the code of the two versions?

    I don't think we really need to know HOW the bad code could be exploited...the smart people should be able to figure that out for themselves by looking at the code. Why help the script kiddies. "Fixed some major security flaws" type message is good enough for me as a user.

    -Pete

    1. Re:diff the code? by trilucid · · Score: 3, Informative


      There are problems with this line of reasoning, as I will attempt to describe.

      Yes, we could all just diff the code, and we could even set up a secondary website(s) to discuss the impact of the changes we find. However, this is a very inefficient mode of operation when it comes to something as critical as security.

      Your comment about "helping the script kiddies" is disturbing in that it sounds way too close to Microsoft's "plea to the security community". That's just no good; I want to see the full details of other peoples' reasoning on these things so I'll be better able to intelligently digest and evaluate the information myself. I'm not an outstanding C coder (although I do a lot of Perl and C), so I could easily miss important things.

      The other trouble with this is that since this deals with open source software, the "user" has the immediate option of contributing in a meaningful way to the project. Unlike traditional "closed source" models, the average user (at least currently) of high security impact open source software is likely to have a few more than average clues on security topics.

      If you make it harder for these people (read: us) to get at the requisite information, you're not only putting security at risk; you're also defeating a large part of the open source / free software philosophy. Nowhere in the GPL or any other similar license that I'm aware of does it say that changelogs are subject to geographic censorship. Now, IANAL, but I also don't think the DMCA really has anything to do with this, from my following of other threads here related to all that mess.

      Just my thoughts, nothing more. Thank you.

    2. Re:diff the code? by grammar+nazi · · Score: 5, Funny
      WATCH WHAT YOU SAY!!

      If you keep speaking like that, peterdaly, then diff might become a circumvention device under the DMCA and thus, will be banned in the United States.

      If you want to keep various GNU Tools such as diff, cat, cp, and ghex, then you have to hide the fact that they are usefull for anything other than taking up space. Otherwise we risk them becoming circumvention devices under the DMCA.

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    3. Re:diff the code? by Florian+Weimer · · Score: 3
      Am I totally missing something? If you really want to know what was changed (if not why), can't you just diff the code of the two versions?
      Yes, but that's beyond the capabilities of the average Slashdot poster. Even if you know the vulnerability type and the affected component, it is not immediately obvious if these -/+ lines you are staring at fix a security bug or a simple performance optimization.

      On the other hand, most people couldn't care less which has been changed in the kernel. When did kernel ChangeLogs show up? In 1999? Or in 2000? It was pretty late anyway, and I remember that Felix von Leitner was flamed for suggesting them a few years ago, so that you could follow changes to internal interfaces more easily. Of course, ChangeLogs are a nearly a must-have documentation tool, but Linux kernel development is possible without them. (In fact, Linux kernel development deliberately doesn't use a few tools many people consider essential for (operating system development).

    4. Re:diff the code? by GauteL · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Security exploits are not always blindingly obvious, and how would you know exactly what parts of the patches were security fixes, and what wasn't?
      Even if you can spot these easily, there is still a lot more work involved in going through diffs, than just being told what was fixed.

    5. Re:diff the code? by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      ...don't think the DMCA really has anything to do with this.
      Shouldn't, maybe doesn't, but are you sure?
      Apparently it has enough chilling effect that Alan thought that discretion was the better part of valor. The information is freely available, just not in the USA. You're right to be concerned. Our security is now at the mercy of "foreigners".

    6. Re:diff the code? by Fruit · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      ... then you have to hide the fact that they are usefull for anything ...

      "grammar nazi"? Oh, you're from Germany. Figures.

    7. Re:diff the code? by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Presumably plans are afoot to get computers and free speach labled circumvention devices.

      Its clearly not the time to emigrate to Australia, where the Internet has its content removed so as to make it safe for kids.

      Pretty soon the only place with free speach will be Afganistan :-)

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  13. And who didn't see this coming? by SumDeusExMachina · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    Honestly, can we have a show of hands? First of all, let me start out by pointing to the sheer stupidity of a British citizen lending credence to an American law. Does this man know anything about precedent? Is "precedent" even in his vocabulary? Nice job, Alan, please don't ever become a lawyer.

    Now, not only has he failed to realize that the only people who won't be taking his actions at face value are all the people who already agree with him, but, let's face it, the information he was surpressing wasn't even covered by the DMCA. Remember, the DMCA covers encryption on copyrighted works. Since the Linux kernel has neither, it obviously has nothing to do with the DMCA and only serves to hurt the people that would need to know about security fixes. Way to go Alan, maybe you should stay out of Public Relations.

    In fact, maybe we have a new job in order for Mr. Cox: security auditing for Microsoft. After all, who could possibly be a stronger proponent of security through obscurity?

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    1. Re:And who didn't see this coming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks, self-appointed Deus, that's your second troll on this article. Perhaps if you're so worked up about Alan's acts, you can take over the Linux kernel yourself. What's that, lack of time? Lack of competence, more like.

    2. Re:And who didn't see this coming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, the DMCA covers encryption on copyrighted works. Since the Linux kernel has neither, it obviously has nothing to do with the DMCA /.../

      Bzzt. Linux at least contains lots of copyrighted parts...

    3. Re:And who didn't see this coming? by rking · · Score: 3, Informative

      Remember, the DMCA covers encryption on copyrighted works.

      People keep repeating this, where does it come from? The DMCA is not specifically about encryption. It is about technological measures that effectively control access to copyrighted works. Based on court cases so far we can safely say that encryption appears to count as one such technological measure, but that doesn't suddenly mean that it's the only measure. If it was meant to apply specifically to encryption then I think the language used would be very different.

      Linux is technological, even if you don't like the particular techonology. Linux is used to control access to copyrighted works, including text files, programs, music, graphics, whatever. It isn't difficult to conclude that the security measures in Linux are technological measures that effectively control access to copyrighted works.

      That doesn't mean I'm convinced that posting this particular information would be contrary to the DMCA, I'm really not sure, but that has nothing to do with whether or not encryption is involved, which is a complete red herring.

    4. Re:And who didn't see this coming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you think the british bashing is necessary?

      If I reacted like you, I would say that 'you're a stupid yankee who thinks that america is the center of the universe and who is unable to understand that somewhere outside the US, someone may have a a valid case to act in a way that disregards the private interests of US citizen to favour his own safety'

      But that's BS. Cause I'm not like that and I don't try to judge people according to the country they come from.

    5. Re:And who didn't see this coming? by SumDeusExMachina · · Score: 0

      Would you be so kind as to point out the exact point where this so-called "British bashing" occurs? I would think that, of all people, Alan Cox is the one doing the British bashing by saying that, as a British citizen, he is subject to another country's laws.

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    6. Re:And who didn't see this coming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bzzt. None of them are encrypted.

    7. Re:And who didn't see this coming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Linux kernel code is copyrighted by its various authors.

    8. Re:And who didn't see this coming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Tell that to this guy!

    9. Re:And who didn't see this coming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sure about that? I could hardly understand a thing going on in it. Encryption is surely the only explanation.

  14. That Alan Cox coment was a protest! by Cyclops · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Come on, how can you not understat that that comment from Alan Cox was a protest (though using some british sense of humour?).

    There is full disclosure. Just look the diff.

    I can't understand how people can claim to understand free software development and then have these claims.

    Hugs, Cyclops

    1. Re:That Alan Cox coment was a protest! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      though using some british sense of humour?

      Please, Slashdot is a USA-centric site. Even a million years isn't enough to teach chimpanzees to read Shakespeare, let alone write it.

    2. Re:That Alan Cox coment was a protest! by gimpboy · · Score: 2

      There is full disclosure. Just look the diff.[sic]

      I'm not a kernel hacker and I'm also not that much of a programmer. When a new version of the kernel comes out and I want to determine how it effects me I'm probably not going to step up and diff the source tree. If one thing had changed then I could probably figure out what had changed, but if 30 or 40 things had been fixed, diff's arent going to make alot of sense to someone who isn't familar with the code. Diffs are not going to make no sense to someone who doesn't program for a living.

      so for a moron like me, who just wants to _use_ linux, changelogs are more useful (if not necessary).

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    3. Re:That Alan Cox coment was a protest! by GC · · Score: 2

      Actually, my friend, when I was running the kernel 2.2.x series instead of downloading the Changelog I would download the patch and quickly zless it to see whether any of the changes seemed to affect me much, I've got lazy recently and skim the Changelogs before even downloading patches.

      The Patches are already a diff to the source tree, so that job is already done for you. I assume that you're running a vanilla kernel, of course.

    4. Re:That Alan Cox coment was a protest! by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

      Bristish humour? He's Welsh though.

    5. Re:That Alan Cox coment was a protest! by Thatman311 · · Score: 0

      Well then...you shouldn't be using open source software and even hope to be able to dig yourself out of a hole. You should only look at the "new feature(s)" list as this is all you can understand.

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    6. Re:That Alan Cox coment was a protest! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welsh != English, but the English, Welsh, and Scots are all Brits.

  15. Cox does not think disclosure is bad... by Karpe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...he just doesn not want to go to jail.

    The way to deal with the DMCA is not to pretend it does not exists, but to show how ridiculous it is, and that means obeying it and showing how it limits development. You cannot think about computer security without considering the legal aspects. Of course full disclosure would be better, but at what price?
    Cox could *actually* go to jail in his next visist to the USA in case he did it. (Think not? Dimitry also didn't believe it could happen.) I am sure you can get the information of what was changed in the kernel by other means (linux-kernel?), but it is very important to be registered in the log that we are being limited by the DMCA. I don't know, perhaps in a nicer future someone will look back at these logs and ask why he didn't describe the problems, and then they will remember how the abuse of corporate power has changed law in a uncostitutional and limiting way.

    We are not talking about boys playing in a BBS, we are talking about real men with real families, people important in our community, that could go to jail because of stupid laws in the lack of this responsability.

    1. Re:Cox does not think disclosure is bad... by Speare · · Score: 2

      The way to deal with the DMCA is not to pretend it does not exists, but to show how ridiculous it is, and that means obeying it and showing how it limits development.

      So, slightly tongue-in-cheek, is this what Gandhi or Thoreau would call civil obedience?

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    2. Re:Cox does not think disclosure is bad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> The way to deal with the DMCA is not to pretend it does not exists, but to show how ridiculous it is, and that means obeying it and showing how it limits development.

      > So, slightly tongue-in-cheek, is this what Gandhi or Thoreau would call civil obedience?

      More like the union concept of "work to rule": if some work rules are ridiculous and counterproductive, and you want them changed (or want other requests/demands to be considered), then work exactly to those ridiculous/counterproductive rules and watch the effects.

  16. Oh Enough of this already... by GC · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is only being restricted to the US. The rest of us all have this information.

    If you really want to see it, click here:

    kernel-2.2.20.log

    kernel-2.2.20pre11.log

    I'm sure Alan knows that people will do this, he'd probably rather stay away from it and make the moral point to US law. Ironic since in an earlier post in another topic the US-posters were praising their First Amendment.

    1. Re:Oh Enough of this already... by Rogerborg · · Score: 2

      OK, I give. What's the bit that's worrying Alan? Nothing (immediately) leapt out, poked me in the eye, and said "This is information that enables someone to bypass the technical protection on a copyrighted work."

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  17. I have an idea.... by BiggestPOS · · Score: 1

    Take the Source from the Formver Version, and the Current One, compare the two, and note all the changes..... The information is obviously there, its just that Alan just isn't giving us the spoon anymore...

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    1. Re:I have an idea.... by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

      It already exists. It's called patch files.

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  18. How is a changlog a circumvention dev ? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Is linux being used to hack descrambler boxes? Is it being used to decrypt dvd's? What exactly does Linux do? THe answer is that linux is a kernel that runs on pc hardware. There is nothing illegal or controversal about it. Unless you use BSD of course. :-) But my point is that a changelog is not circumvention device. It doesn't actually do anything. The case with the adobe and the russian programmer is different. He showed how to illegally open sensitve and copy-righted oops I mean controlled works without adobe's permission. The only person who can sue alan is linus. I don't think he will do this. Anyway alan did not reverse engineer linux anyway. He just read about security related issues and manually fixed the source. The gpl allows this. Since linux is only used to boot a pc and not circumvent a copyright there is nothing even Linus can do. In other words Alan is full of shit.

  19. Re:You are making it too complicated by nagora · · Score: 2
    Little man talks big.

    What work of yours has been affected by the DMCA and what did you do about it?

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  20. Right... by carm$y$ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the article:
    Although commercial tools are available that scan for vulnerabilities, the lag time between development of the exploit and the next periodic update to security scanning packages is too long for many enterprises.

    Not to mention that the commercial tools usually cost $$$, and have their own problems and shortcomings; the alternative being to download the exploit from bugtraq and try it yourself against your machines.
    From my experience - I work as a unix sysadmin for a small-to-medium software company - waiting for vendor updates (any vendor, from Sun to M$) is akin to giving up... blocking the traffic in the firewall is to survive. You have to know what to block, obviously.
    So, IMHO there is nothing like first-hand experiencing the exploits. I know the script-kiddies say the same thing. :) But what's the alternative?

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    -- No sig today
  21. The inabilty to laugh at something amusing? by Ratso+Baggins · · Score: 1

    It seems to me, even as a Brithish Citizen Living in Britian, Alan has made more of a visible and rational protest than any of the whiners... (who btw probably have the access etc to protest in a more effective manner themselves, but have they?) I know being American does NOT usually mean a humour imparement.... In fact...

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    1. Re:The inabilty to laugh at something amusing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know being American does NOT usually mean a humour imparement.... In fact...

      You wouldn't say that if you'd ever tried to watch any of their comedies. They have got to have the least sophisticated humor on the planet.

    2. Re:The inabilty to laugh at something amusing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've watched American sitcoms?

      Uh... why?

      Only stupid people watch them in this country. That's the demographic they're targetted for.
      Highschool or less education, age 18 to 45.

      Haven't watch one in years,
      American with real sense of humor

    3. Re:The inabilty to laugh at something amusing? by philipm · · Score: 0

      lack of "education" doesn't make you stupid.
      reading slashdot does.

  22. Amazing...simply....Amazing! by pwagland · · Score: 4, Insightful
    First, hasn't it already been discussed?

    Second, why is everyone here so upset? Oh, hang on. This affects, um who was it? Oh thats right, the Americans. We really shouldn't upset them should we? Most of the comments that I have seen modded up so far basically say one of the following things:

    1. Alan is chickenshit for not wishing to put himself at risk of prosecution. If it was me, I would go to jail, that way I wouldn't piss off the Americans!
    2. Those damn British! They are sooooo jealous that we are more powerful than them now. Why don't they move past the jealousy and just give use the changelogs!
    3. this is at least half reasonable They don't really want to prosecute "reasonable" people. They are just after the ones that piss off big business. What's wrong with that? Just give us our changelogs!

    Well, sadly:

    1. This is not a law that you can just ignore. It will not just go away. It is not clear exactly who can be prosecuted, or for what.
    2. The only way that laws go away is for someone, or some large group, to say "this is stupid". Lets change it. Whinging about a missing changelog does not do that. Raising awareness may or may not do that, but it can't really hurt.

    Hands up all of the americans who have written their senator, state and federal. Hands up to all of those who have given financial, or other, support to movements who are trying to repeal the DMCA. Hands up all those who would just rather whinge when that law inconveniences them. Hmm. Thought so, on that last question the number of hands went up by 10.

    If you are really so cut up about it, figure out what has changed (it isn't really that hard, it has been talked about in the previous article) and post it yourself. Then to prove to Alan what a fool he is, walk down to the DA's office and get a written statement saying that they will not prosecute you for releasing that information. Make entirely clear to them that you have released information that could help people circumvent rights management, and get the DA to sign saying that they would not prosecute you for releasing this information.

    Personally, I don't think that this will happen, since most people would rather make Alan the bad guy over taking any personal risk. I dare you to prove me wrong.

    1. Re:Amazing...simply....Amazing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All Alan Cox is doing is pissing people off who already agree with him. It's counterproductive.

      Do you know what I'm going to do to be proactive? From now until Alan stops acting like a prick, I'm going to boycott Red Hat products. And I'm going to make sure that everybody I know boycotts Red Hat products. I was very nearly ready to upgrade my company from Red Hat 6.2 to 7.2. We run Linux on approximately 30 machines (some desktops, most servers), and have been using RH 7.1 on a few test boxes along with SuSE 7.3. I'm not willing sit around while some eccentric developer's tantrum compromises the security of our OS, so we'll be going with SuSE this time around.

    2. Re:Amazing...simply....Amazing! by millette · · Score: 1

      "And I'm going to make sure that everybody I know boycotts Red Hat products."

      I'm guessing a lot of people know this ac...

    3. Re:Amazing...simply....Amazing! by meadowsp · · Score: 1

      Because Alan Cox's code only goes into Red Hat doesn't it. There's none of it in Suse, is there you numb-nut.

    4. Re:Amazing...simply....Amazing! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's because Alan is employed by Red Hat you numb-nut.

  23. A better excuse for non-full disclosure by Kirkoff · · Score: 5, Funny
    Alan Cox could just use the Linux Comment System(TM). You know, how Linus will implement a whole new VM and the changelog states "VM Fixes." Using Linus's model for this, Alan Cox would definatly just state "Fixed security issues" for most any bug. Heck, he could even put it in the "Random Fixes" catchall. Then all Alan has to do is run around saying to people stuff like "I don't really care about Micro*cough* - The DMCA. It bores me."

    Maybe we would all do better following Linus's methods. Let's say you need to turn in an Essay on Lord Of The Flys, it's simple:
    • Essay Pre-1 "Plane crash"
    • Essay Pre-2 "Establish democrasy"
    • Essay Pre-2 "formed resitance"
    • Essay Pre-3 "War - people died"
    • Essay Pre-4 "Ship arrives restored grownups"


    As you can see, this eases your everyday life. It gets rid of the unintended problems that spring from caring about anything but the task at hand.

    --Josh
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    There are exactly 42,935,718 letter sized sheets in a square mile.
    1. Re:A better excuse for non-full disclosure by Josh+Mast · · Score: 1

      Essay Pre-2 "Establish democrasy"

      Perhaps they could establish a democracy while they're at it?

    2. Re:A better excuse for non-full disclosure by Kirkoff · · Score: 1

      Does linus have perfect spelling? Heck, even if he does, I'm no linus :P

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  24. Is this RedHat's fault? by damas · · Score: 1

    What if there is some serious kernel security hole in pre-2.2.20 and 2.0.x kernels affecting Bastille, RedHat up to 7.0 and EVERY OTHER linux system having a pre-2.2.20 kernel installed? What the heck is Alan hiding?

    1. Re:Is this RedHat's fault? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing. He's just following US law and keeping Americans from breaking it unless they agree that they are breaking it and keep him out of trouble.

  25. Nitpicks by twilight30 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cox is Welsh, not English. Cox lives in Wales, not England. If you're going to copy verbatim something off Adequacy, realise that even they are not going to get everything right.

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    1. Re:Nitpicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know that only those living in the UK care about whether someone is English, Welsh, Scottish or whatever. To the rest of the world, they are just "english".

  26. Hrm. by autopr0n · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's an interesting scenario, but I believe the content needs to be protected by the creator, not a user. So, if I perchance some MP3s, and someone hacked my account to grab them, That hack wouldn't be considered illegal under the DMCA.

    File permissions are really more for privacy then they are for IP control. And remember, judges are supposed to go by the spirit of the law, not necessarily the letter. Just because you could theoretically rig something up to be a content control mechanism, doesn't mean that the courts would look on them as such.

    And also, I don't believe that you can be convicted for circumventing your own technology, any more then you could be sued for violating the GPL on software you wrote (and own the copyright on).

    There needs to be a plaintiff after all.

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    1. Re:Hrm. by Ami+Ganguli · · Score: 3, Interesting
      That's an interesting scenario, but I believe the content needs to be protected by the creator, not a user. So, if I perchance some MP3s, and someone hacked my account to grab them, That hack wouldn't be considered illegal under the DMCA.

      I'm not sure that's true, but even if it is I don't see how it makes a difference. The most likely scenario is a content creator uses his network drive while creating the content. Somebody else who has access to the machine hacks it and steals the content.

      And remember, judges are supposed to go by the spirit of the law, not necessarily the letter.

      I'm not sure that's really true either, but by the time the case gets to the courts the poor programmer has already spent several months in jail. Think about this for a second. Why should a U.K. citizen risk getting embroiled in the American legal system? He doesn't live there, vote there, or have any particular interest in becoming a martyr like Dimitri. Would you get involved in human rights protests in China while on vacation there? I doubt it. You can sympathize, but in the end it's not your battle. It's the same with Alan.

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      It is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail. - Abraham Maslow
    2. Re:Hrm. by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's an interesting scenario, but I believe the content needs to be protected by the creator, not a user.

      And nobody using Linux ever creates any valuable, original content? Gosh, an author writing his new bestselling novel on a multi-user Linux system may be surprised to hear that. So might the programmers of the "next big thing" who are also writing their new whiz-bang software on Linux systems and collaborating over the Internet.

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    3. Re:Hrm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some *n?x software is actually protected in this manner. There is a non world readable activation key on the drive that the software requires to run. Any user who can read the key can copy the software to his own system. Maybe a Linux-hosted Samba share would have similar issues.

    4. Re:Hrm. by autopr0n · · Score: 1

      I mean the creator of the system. As in, Alan Cox or one of the other Linux kernel coders would have to press charges

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  27. What I don't understand about the DMCA... by Bake · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is why people think software with its encryption is any different from other products.

    Is Ford or Firestone sueing the group that discovered the flaw when you put an Explorer on Firestone tires?
    Are lockmakers sueing those that pick locks?

    Why do software companies think they're so "special" in that regard?

    Isn't there a consumers' association in the US?
    If there is, I don't know how they act, but in many countries this sort of association tries to keep regular companies on their toes by regularly testing their products and giving them a thumbs-up or thumbs-down verdict. Also if consumers are having problems with a company due to a breach of contract or bad sale or whatever, the association has a bunch of lawyers on their payroll who are willing to sue.
    Wouldn't it just be a great idea if encryption-breakers could team up with that kind of organisation? I mean, it is of course in the consumer's interest that this sort of work goes on.

  28. ChangeLog Might Not Be Appropriate... by EXTomar · · Score: 2

    ...place to detail security changes. Isn't the purpose of the Changelog to provide a brief at-a-glance notification of changes? After all you don't want the 10k of gorey details about why ext3 driver was patched nor should there probably be security alerts. Instead how about make another document or document directory in the Documentation that details stuff like this instead of harping on maintainers of Changelog?

    1. Re:ChangeLog Might Not Be Appropriate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you even bother to read the changelog? No gory details there. It all boiled down to two words (with prior knowledge, that was enough if you followed bugtraq or /.)

      Red herring.

      Michael

  29. Why should Cox risk jailtime ? by jneves · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The article says Cox is wrong because he shoould stand by full disclosure. While I know that Alan did this as a protest, I don't understand the reasoning of those who "attack" his position. Why should somebody like Alan risk to go to jail for disclosing information that can facilitate the circumvention of filesystem's permissions ?

    We all know that that is illegal in the USA, thanks to the DMCA, and in a little over one year, will also be illegal in most of Europe, thanks to the EUCD - European Union Copyright Directive.

    My question is: Why should he take the risk ? Until know, Sklyarov is still in jail, Felten hasn't got the courts permission to present his article and I still can't get a DVD player with any GNU/Linux distribution. Isn't this enough to make one think twice before entering the security field ?

    1. Re:Why should Cox risk jailtime ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The Russian was put in jail because he's a criminal software pirate."

      Good try but wrong. He circumvented the ebook protections at an academic confrence. Alan would have been posting information that could be construed as a circumvention device.

      "Are you equating security changelogs with piracy?"

      No he's equating actions that withold information from US citizens because of their laws that make foriegners vulnerable if they disclose such things.

      "And it's laughable to say Cox could go to jail for something no one but another Linux hacker would care about."

      No it's not laughable it's sad and that's why Americans should do something about their draconian law and European and Canadian should fight real hard to ensure that similar laws are not enacted where they live.

      "I love the net. It gives people who know nothing about anything a forum to demonstrate their ignorance."

      So do I. Your troll gave my fingers a little typing practice and slash a pitanc of ad revenue.

    2. Re:Why should Cox risk jailtime ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a perfect answer to all those Americans who think a foreigner should put his arse on the line for their idiotic and draconian laws.

      Find an anonymizing server of some sort (or even dial-up internationally), download the changelogs via a non-US domain, transfer them to your local Web host, then publish them. Then you can take the risk; after all, it's trivial and theoretical isn't it?

      Of course being Americans unlike Alan as a backup you have the Second Amendment to protect you. I can just see what happens when a hacker who does the above pulls a gun when the FBI busts his door down for DMCA infringement...

    3. Re:Why should Cox risk jailtime ? by jneves · · Score: 1

      The DMCA says that it is illegal to "communicate" any information that "facilitates" circumventing rights management information. The information in the changelogs falls in this category.

  30. Re:You are making it too complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    America: Land of the Bree, home of the Artichoke.

  31. Re:You are making it too complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice flame pasted from another site anyways.

    "The reference to the DMCA being overturned is revealing. Mr. Cox wants this to happen, and his little tinpot emperor censorship game is intended, in his apparently delusional mind, as a powerful political statement toward that end. It does not seem to have occurred to him, in his current seemingly megalomaniacal state, that members of the US Congress probably do not use Linux, and even those few Congressional staffers who might know what Linux is probably don't build their own kernels, and so will never know about Mr. Cox's protest."

    To this I laugh. Many have heard of Linux. Imagine if you paint Linux as an MS competitor (MS did). Now say that developement of one of the few viable competitors is threatened by the DMCA coupled with the crappy fruits that have already fallen from this tree.

    "Mr. Cox has attempted to support his ridiculous and obviously politically-motivated censorship with the claim that his decision was based on legal advice (implying that he fears that documenting security-related kernel fixes places him at risk of being prosecuted under the DMCA's anti-circumvention provisions), but this seems highly unlikely to be true."

    Says you or rather the origional poster of advocacy. If that isn't you, that's a breach of copyright btw.

    "One of the sources, who is a Linux user and is familiar with Mr. Cox's history, said with a chuckle, "Alan's just having his fun, trying to make a statement.""

    Hey why didn't you tell us your source of legal advice. You held AC's to a highstandard we hold yours to the same.

    Flame away but at least not be full of shit.

  32. M.I.B's by GISboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Elias Levy wrote an eloquent rebuttal to the Microsoft essay. But I'd like to zero on in one particularly egregious claim Culp makes in his argument: that an administrator "doesn't need to know how a vulnerability works in order to understand how to protect against it."

    The M.I.B's (Microsofties In Black)would be proud.

    Just claim "you don't need to know".

    And the 'Little Flashie Thingies' don't hurt either.

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    If it is not on fire, it is a software problem.
  33. True. This place... by twilight30 · · Score: 1

    ... is beginning to turn into a refuge for lazy people and bored teenagers.
    I mean, on the one hand you've got a bunch of people crying that this assists firms like Microsoft. On the other, you've got users who copy verbatim writings they've already posted at other weblogs.
    I'm beginning to think even reading comments (1 or below) at Slashdot is a waste of time. What do you think?

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  34. Alan Cox yet again by tannhaus · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Alan Cox is definately beginning to irritate me in the last few months. First, he won't change over the VM, then he won't disclose the changelogs. He finally gave in on the VM.

    Mr. Cox, do you adhere to all the rules of the U.S. as a british citizen? I suppose you keep a library of U.S. lawbooks at your house so you won't violate any of our laws while in your home country.

    The DMCA is a U.S. law. Dmitri Skylarov was arrested while breaking the DMCA on U.S. soil. Even if AC broke the DMCA in England and then came here, he'd have to break the DMCA here in order to get arrested.

    The federal goverment does not actively seek out violators of the DMCA without a "victim" bringing the violation to their attention. This is simply ridiculous. You can't be put in jail for publishing changelogs to your own code.

    Oh my god...last week I tried to hack my own linux box! I'm a fugitive from justice!

    Personally, I vote Alan Cox finds him a nice little therapist somewhere in merry old England and tries to get some help.

    1. Re:Alan Cox yet again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and I vote that you replace him in jail if he was to get arrested.

      I also vote that we take your opinion very seriously regarding kernel development. After all, your opinion is so much more insightful than that of Alan.

      Yeah right, Alan is just a stupid non american prick with no clue. This country doesn't need him

    2. Re:Alan Cox yet again by Snootch · · Score: 2

      Mr. Cox, do you adhere to all the rules of the U.S. as a british citizen? I suppose you keep a library of U.S. lawbooks at your house so you won't violate any of our laws while in your home country.

      This is most definitely not the point. Alan Cox is making a protest against the DMCA. He's chosen a public forum, but not big enough to actually inconvenience a lot of people too much (witness mirrors).

      Dmitri Skylarov was arrested while breaking the DMCA on U.S. soil. Even if AC broke the DMCA in England and then came here, he'd have to break the DMCA here in order to get arrested.

      Nope! He did it in Russia, came over to a convention to promote the product, got arrested by Adobe^H^H^H^H^Hthe FBI there.

    3. Re: Alan Cox yet again by Inthewire · · Score: 1

      Alan Cox is making a protest against the DMCA. He's chosen a public forum, but not big enough to actually inconvenience a lot of people too much (witness mirrors).

      Private Sub Protest (booHaveCake as Boolean)
      If (booHaveCake = True) Then
      EatCake
      Else
      GetCake
      End If
      End Sub

      Please, no shit about VB. It suits my purposes.

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      Writers imply. Readers infer.
  35. Careful - Europe is not that far behind... by jneves · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The EUCD - European Union Copyright Directive - has to be transposed to national law until December 22nd 2002. That means we'll also have a DMCA-like legislation in the near future.

  36. Publishing source violates DMCA by z19752002 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Everything a person needs to know to circumvent access controls is in the operating system source code. Therefore, publishing source code to an OS is a violation of the DMCA.

    1. Re:Publishing source violates DMCA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything a person needs to know to circumvent access controls is in the operating system binary code, to be accessed by a debugger (or in-circuit emulator). So selling debuggers (possibly even operating systems) is in violation of the DMCA.

      Give Me A Break!

      Everything a knowledgeable programmer needs to circumvent access controls is in his brain. So by having a functioning brain these programmers are in violation of the DMCA.

      Line'em up and shoot 'em???

    2. Re:Publishing source violates DMCA by z19752002 · · Score: 1

      Absolutely! There is no end to how far the idiocy of the DMCA can be carried.

      What needs to be done is to show each group the appropriate short sighted aspect of the DMCA in order to enlist their support.

      For example, the administration of institutions that teach programming should be advised that in providing such instruction in basic programming they open themselves up to liabilities under the DMCA.

    3. Re:Publishing source violates DMCA by mangu · · Score: 1
      Everything a knowledgeable programmer needs to circumvent access controls is in his brain. So by having a functioning brain these programmers are in violation of the DMCA.


      You're absolutely right! Any computer user that doesn't use a Microsoft (tm) Operating System should be arrested under the DMCA.

  37. Time to switch to OpenBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Well, since I have no way to know if security holes
    exist in the Linux kernel, I will have to switch
    to another operating system that I can verify problems
    with. Obviously if people think Linux can be run
    in a production environment before, it won't be now.
    Good thing for the BSDs at least. :)

    1. Re:Time to switch to OpenBSD by giantsquidmarks · · Score: 1

      done...

  38. Alan won't release due to DMCA not security by Rares+Marian · · Score: 1
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  39. Can we get an OFFICIAL staement from RedHat? by glrotate · · Score: 0

    This seems to involve them directly. A representative of their company is withholding security information, and claiming to due so under advice from legal counsel. Did this counsel come from RedHat, or is RedHat letting individual employees set company policy?

    1. Re:Can we get an OFFICIAL staement from RedHat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Red Hat want to release this information then I'm sure they're prefectly capable of doing do. I don't see anyway that they can object to employees who choose to not release information in their own time.

  40. Re:You are making it too complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice flame pasted from another site anyways.

    Sure, and I could understand it being moderated up as funny (provided you thought it was original); Adequacy can be quiet amusing if you like that sort of thing. How anyone could regard it as "informative" though is beyond belief...

  41. Is this official Redhat policy? by glrotate · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Alan claimed to have recieved legal advice. Redhat has a responsibility to it's customers to disclose security info, and Alan is an employee of Redhat. What does redhat have to say about this?

  42. jesus you really dont get it do you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    he was taking the piss!!

  43. AC interview on Newsforge, linked on Linuxtoday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
    OK people, the Linux community has a great news article summary site called Linuxtoday.

    Point being, a couple of days ago there was an article linked there to Newsforge with an interview with Alan Cox about his views on the DMCA and these changelogs.

    For the lazy, the essential point is that AC has gotten legal advice that he very well could be charged in the US for posting the vulnerabilities based on an interpretation of the DMCA, but that no "sane" US court would convict him. However, he does not want to spend 6 months in the US to go through the process.

    So, basically, he's making a political point about stupid laws. He's welcome to if that what he wants. As others have said, it's not like most people interested in kernel changes can't use diff.

    Glenn

    1. Re:AC interview on Newsforge, linked on Linuxtoday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. He's not welcome to use Linux for his own little personal political agenda and soapbox.

      Maybe you don't care because you don't run a real system. Others do. We care.

      We certainly care less about his little temper tantrum or the DMCA than we do about security holes.

    2. Re:AC interview on Newsforge, linked on Linuxtoday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      OK, so find a mirror or other explanation that does have the info you want in easily digestable format. As you have said, not all agree with him, or have some legit need of the documentation. (Note that this is intended as a US-only ban, so the info is in fact available through other sources.)

      As for Linux' use as a soapbox, it's not all that unusual - see various writings/rants by RMS, ESR, and various and sundry {Linux|Open Source|Free Software} pundits.

      Glenn

    3. Re:AC interview on Newsforge, linked on Linuxtoday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "As for Linux' use as a soapbox, it's not all that unusual - see various writings/rants by RMS, ESR, and various and sundry {Linux|Open Source|Free Software} pundits."

      I don't recall US access to gnu.org being pulled because some of the software available there might make it possible to violate the DMCA.

      sarcasm mode on:
      I hear you can get this thing call "gcc" there which lets evil hakk0rz build eveil hacking toolz which let people brake into my sistemS!
      sarcasm mode off.

      The availability of gcc and other potential hacking enablement tools from the GNU folks does not put them at risk for DMCA violations. If any of the nitwits at slashdot would get 1 inch beyond the standard knee jerk I'm-just-saying-what-my-16-year-old-friends-on-sla shdot-say reactions and grow up a bit, they'd be aware that the DMCA doesn't work like this, isn't written like this and can't and won't be used like this because it doesn't cover this or Alan's changelogs or anything similar.

      And no, I don't buy the Cox = Dmitry lie. It's not the same situation at all. Cox is a ninny. Dmitry was stupid. There's a big difference.

      Publish the change logs everywhere without any country blocking nonsense and get off the politcal soapbox.

      Anyone who thinks Linux is going to make it big time like this is sadly mistaken when one individual with no oversight can screw thousands of people over a completely unrelated issue. Wanting it to be the same is not the same as it being the same.

  44. Err... no. by mindstrm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The DMCA does not specifically cover 'encryption' on 'copyrighted works'.
    It covers COPYRIGHT PROTECTION MECHANISMS. You just assume those must be encrypted.

    ie: Let's say a new CD format came out that just used a couple of bits to determine if a work is permitted to be copied (and requires a new player to play, etc). Someone who reveals a way to 'ignore' those bits, ie: by hotwiring the device is also violating the DMCA.

    The linux kernel could very well have someone's copyrighted work on it, and giving someone the ability to obtain root access without authorization in order to copy that work could be constituted as a violation of the act. Yes, it's a stretch.. but not completely out to lunch. That's how broad the language of the DMCA is.

    As for the 'sheer stupidity' of a British Citizen doing this... what about that Russian Citizen who was arrested for this very law?
    If Alan wants to ever visit the US, say, to go to a conference, or the Superbowl, or whatever... he'll have to make sure he stears clear of US law, no?

    Alan isn't a proponent of security through obscurity. He's a proponent of not getting arrested upon entering the United States.

  45. Re:You are making it too complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    as a u.s. citizen would you say linux is more important than your freedom of speech?
    if anything, mr. cox should be applauded for putting a thorn (however small) right in the eye of this stupid, anti-american law.
    thank you mr. cox, for making an important point and for standing up for all of us having to deal with the total idiocy that is the dmca.

  46. join the eff by martinflack · · Score: 2

    Fight bad laws like DMCA. Join the EFF. It's that simple.

  47. Well.. by mindstrm · · Score: 2

    The DMCA isn't about encryption.
    It's also not about flaws in tires, or bugs in software.

    It's about technological systems that protect copyrighted works.

    1. Re:Well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about technological systems that protect copyrighted works.

      This does include physical locks though. Lock picks bear all the hallmarks of circumvention devices to technological measures that effectively control access to copyrighted material.

    2. Re:Well.. by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      And in many US states it is illegal for anyone other than a licensed locksmith or a law enforcement agent to possess lockpicks.

      Er, you point was what, again?

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  48. Put up or shut up by pbryan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is unacceptable. I could understand a project admin not disclosing trivial changes that didn't go into a release of a product/system, but failing to disclose non-trivial changes that did go in is inexcusable.

    And did you write your representative in United States Congress yet? Did you submit an amica brief at Dmitry's preliminary hearing? Did you join the EFF to help battle the DMCA? Did you at least buy a Free Dmitry t-shirt so some of your purchase goes to stop the DMCA?

    If you have, then I applaud your actions and encourage you to continue engaging in constructive solutions. If not, then put up or shut up. Far too many people are bitching about this problem and taking no substantive action.

    It is unreasonable to expect Cox to behave differently. He's seen what happened to Dmitry. He knows what could happen if he were to disclose this information to Americans, then set foot in the United States. Cox did the right thing.

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    1. Re:Put up or shut up by trilucid · · Score: 2


      And did you write your representative in United States Congress yet? Did you submit an amica brief at Dmitry's preliminary hearing? Did you join the EFF [eff.org] to help battle the DMCA? Did you at least buy a Free Dmitry t-shirt [thinkgeek.com] so some of your purchase goes to stop the DMCA?

      The answer is Y-E-S to all but the second action. To be more precise, bought t-shirts for myself and a number of friends. Participated heavily in loads of debate on the subject. Donate routinely to the EFF (it's just a good idea anyhow).

      I do not believe Cox is behaving reasonably. It would be an EXTREMELY tough twist of logic to apply the DMCA to this at all in a real-world situation. I despise the damned law as much as the rest of us on this topic, but I also know what the law says. Cox is essentially using Linux as his own personal soapbox to cry out against the DMCA, possibly partly in humour (since he knows the "true" changelogs will circulate around eventually anyhow).

      Linux is not Cox's soapbox. I have to wonder how Linus feels about this. Nobody seems to be asking that particular question.

      I acknowledge the fact that the DMCA could be twisted to prosecute someone on these grounds, but that's about as likely as a meteor hitting my girlfriend and getting her pregnant.

      I've put up, so I guess I won't be shutting up...

    2. Re:Put up or shut up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      buying a Free Dmitry t-shirt to support Dmitry is like donating $$ to the red cross to support the 9/11 victims. Yeah, you might think you're helping someone, but come to find out the money is used for telecommunication upgrades, or consultants to think up VA Research / VA Linux / VA Software / VA Bankrupt's next name.

      PS - what does Alan Cox ass taste like, anyhow?

    3. Re:Put up or shut up by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      I do not believe Cox is behaving reasonably.

      You're not the one whose ass is on the line. Mr. Cox visits the US occasionally. He does not wish to be in danger of arrest and incarceration when he next sets foot on US soil. This is not an unreasonable "wish".

      I despise the damned law as much as the rest of us on this topic, but I also know what the law says.

      Mr. Cox also knows what the law says.

      He has apparently checked with a lawyer (always a good idea when unsure of what the law really is) and has been advised as follows:

      (a) It is unlikely but not out-of-the-question that he would be arrested and incarcerated in the US for publishing the changelogs.
      (b)It is extremely unlikely (almost impossible) that he would actually be CONVICTED under the DMCA.

      Having considered the matter, Mr. Cox takes the not unreasonable position that he would rather not take a chance of being arrested and tossed into jail until he eventually gets to trial. It's a small chance, sure, but the possibility does apparently exist.

      I don't see how anyone can fault Mr. Cox for taking action to insure that he does not get tossed into jail in the USA the next time he visits there, He's checked with a lawyer and been advised that there is a risk, he chooses not to take that risk.

      As I stated above, it's his ass on the line. I think he has every right in the world to protect himself. Period.

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    4. Re:Put up or shut up by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      You're not the one whose ass is on the line. Mr. Cox visits the US occasionally. He does not wish to be in danger of arrest and incarceration when he next sets foot on US soil. This is not an unreasonable "wish".

      In which case the appropriate action would be to either a) hand off the responsibility entirely to someone else, or b) pass off the responsibility for publishing the U.S. version of the changelogs to a U.S. counterpart and let that person take the heat. Either one solves the problem for Cox personally. No fear of prosecution if he'd followed either of these courses of action.

      But the fact was that he didn't. He chose this particular venue to make a political statement, which is inappropriate considering the very nature of Linux development. If Cox had wanted to make such a statement, he could've done so publicly and loudly without compromising administration of the changelogs. His stature would've assured that anything he had to say about the DCMA would've appeared in any number of Linux news sources.

      Folks can yak on all they want about how they agree with Cox's views - I'm one who certainly does, since I live in the ever-beknighted U.S. of A. However, I do not, and will never, agree with the actions taken by Cox in this matter. Protesting is one thing; having a hissy fit using the changelogs as a personal political statement is quite another.

      Max

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  49. Put away your straw man by SumDeusExMachina · · Score: 0
    If Alan wants to ever visit the US, say, to go to a conference, or the Superbowl, or whatever... he'll have to make sure he stears clear of US law, no?

    Alan isn't a proponent of security through obscurity. He's a proponent of not getting arrested upon entering the United States.

    That's assuming, of course, that when he goes to the Superbowl, he gives a presentation on how to break into, say, the RIAA's Linux systems that hold tons of copyrighted works. Skylarov clearly violated US law while in the US. Cox has done nothing of the sort. I wish you so-called opponents of the DMCA would come off as something other than poorly-informed whiners, it might help your PR.

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    1. Re:Put away your straw man by mindstrm · · Score: 2

      Right. Well.
      If you think the US hasn't prosecuted people for things that happen outside the US, you better go back to your little bubble.

      "The code was made available to Americans on the internet, therefore, he violated US law on US soil"

    2. Re:Put away your straw man by SumDeusExMachina · · Score: 1

      Wow, what a compelling argument. I'm happy to see that you are able to make up vague paranoid statements about the U.S., and yet can't back any of it up with concrete evidence.

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  50. The dangers of illegality by mangu · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The United States hasn't been the land of the free since the 1960s


    A debatable point, as the US Constitution Article XVIII, ratified in 1919, forbade the "manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors". This article was repealed in 1933, after prohibition proved its total uselessness in preventing alcohol consumption, but there are similar laws today prohibiting the use of several recreational drugs. The main effect of such prohibition is creating a strong incentive for organized crime. The prohibition is no obstacle to former drug users becoming presidents of the USA, for instance.


    As Robert Heinlein said: "I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; If I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am responsible for everything I do" (The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, 1966).


    This doesn't mean that we should tolerate any such stupid laws as the DMCA or drug prohibition. Those laws have the very dangerous side effect of creating a large number of corrupt law enforcement officers. Corruption in law enforcement is, IMHO, a much greater danger to freedom.

    1. Re:The dangers of illegality by Xylantiel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      offtopic but...

      It just struck me that they had to pass a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT in order to make liquor illegal, but for all the illegal drugs today just a law was passed. Seems like a case of reinterpretation of what freedoms are protected under the constitution. I'll have to look into it by seeing when the drug laws were passed and such, but it's an interesting topic.

      I'm starting to get very dissapointed in my US history as I learned in High School (I took mostly world history in college). They teach you about when the US got all these great freedoms but they don't teach you about when they were taken away again.

    2. Re:The dangers of illegality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually Prohibition had a huge curtailing effect on the consumption of alcohol.

    3. Re:The dangers of illegality by Malcontent · · Score: 2

      Think about it this way.
      You are trying to learn about the history of the US from the US in the US. What makes you think the US will be objective in presenting it's own history within it's own borders knowing full well that vast majority of the people will never look further.

      The best way to learn about any country is look outside of itself. Or to quote the butthole surfers "you never know just how you look in other peoples eyes."

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    4. Re:The dangers of illegality by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • for all the illegal drugs today just a law was passed

      Oh, that was easy. Cocaine was banned because of all the coked up niggers raping white women.

      This was the honest-to-god media propagated justification for banning cocaine. Opium and heroin went because of all the Chinese doping up and raping white women.

      If you find it hard to believe that Joe Voter bought these lurid "exposes", consider the media portrayal of the Taliban right now, and how quick we are to believe any story that gives us someone identifiably different to hate and fear, and how easily we pass laws on the back of that fear.

      And how many of us, in this, ahem, more enlightened age, even bother to question that portrayal, or look for the other side of the story?

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    5. Re:The dangers of illegality by evilWurst · · Score: 1

      that was a horribly bad comparison. You just compared juicy rumors to a nationally witnessed mass murder.

    6. Re:The dangers of illegality by cduffy · · Score: 2

      It's not a reinterpretation of protected freedoms, but rather of available powers.

      As written, the Constitution provides the Federal government with very little power, except in a number of well-defined areas. However, there have been many areas in which "interstate commerce" (which a single clause allows the Federal government to regulate) has been used as an excuse to allow in influence. Does your business sell anything to out-of-state customers, or buy supplies from the same? Guess what -- the Federal government can now regulate what you do and how!

      It wasn't always like this, and there are those who'd put most governmental power back where it belongs -- with the states and the people. Take a close look at the Libertarian Party -- they're the strongest proponents of freedom I've seen yet.

  51. mod up the post above mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod this up.

    This is the first post I've seen that calls it like it is.

    As a Linux user and admin I really hate it when some key developer uses my OS of choice as a soapbox for entirely unrelated political protest.

    Bad British humor or not, the DMCA and changelogs have nothing to do with each other. Cox is doing *nothing* to get the DMCA changed and is only hurting Linux.

    As if my Congressman would know or care that Cox didn't release Linux version 2.2.20 security changelogs to the US. Sheesh. The arrogance is stunning.

    1. Re:mod up the post above mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if my Congressman would know or care that Cox didn't release Linux version 2.2.20 security changelogs to the US. Sheesh. The arrogance is stunning.

      Christ yes. If your congressman is too arrogant to pay attention to Linux developments then vote him out!

    2. Re:mod up the post above mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Christ yes. If your congressman is too arrogant to pay attention to Linux developments then vote him out!"

      This may come as a big shock to you, but the average voter, including me, Linux sysadmin at mid sized corporation, doesn't vote for or against candidates based on what my reps think of Linux of changelogs or whether they use gnome or kde.

      Out here in grown-up-land, us adults vote based on things that count like taxes, safety, edutcation, health care, environmental issues and how all of the above work in relation to the communities we live in.

    3. Re:mod up the post above mine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You better pay attention when voting to issues of free speech and information, because they are at the foundation of all the other things you value. Your short-term opportunistic votes for low-taxes or a clean environment won't matter in the long run if such legislation undermines the free market or the ability to exchange information about corporate environmental and safety issues. Sadly, many "adults" fail to understand that.

  52. DCMA implies CLOSED SOURCE by Bob+Clary · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the kernel change logs can be used to provide information to hackers that would result in criminal liability, does not the entire kernel source provide the same information?

    Doesn't that imply that the entire Linux Kernel Source should be closed and only Binaries provided?

    If Alan Cox is allowed to use Linux as his own political soapbox, then Linux itself is history. Where the hell is Linus?

    1. Re: DCMA implies CLOSED SOURCE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Alan Cox is allowed to use Linux as his own political soapbox, then Linux itself is history.

      Why? You're welcome to use Linux as your political soapbox too and so is everyone else... oh, except that nobody wants to listen to you.

      Where the hell is Linus?

      Why would he care what Alan puts in his changelogs? What d'you want him to do anyway, use Linux as a political soapbox?

    2. Re: DCMA implies CLOSED SOURCE by Rogerborg · · Score: 2
      • If Alan Cox is allowed to use Linux as his own political soapbox, then Linux itself is history. Where the hell is Linus?

      Linus is in the USA, and so will have to be very, very careful what he says and does for the forseeable future.

      You want to bet that Microsoft wouldn't pull an Adobe and have their Enforcement Division (aka the US legislature) lock up Linus if they thought the benefits would outweigh the costs? It's unthinkable, you say? Why is it unthinkable? All Microsoft would have to do would be to fulfill their patriotic duty to report an un-American protection control bypass in the Linux kernel, then Uncle Sam will do the dirty work for them.

      What's the cost to Microsoft of doing that? Bad publicity for them, and good publicity for Linux. What's the benefit? Tie up Linus in court action for years. Have his passport removed. Restrict his ability to travel. As best, have him jailed on remand. The damage that would do to the Linux kernel would be real and immediate. GNU/Linux needs to take desktops from Microsoft now, before .NET gains mindshare, and any kernel splits, delays or even more FUD would give .NET a free run.

      Do you really think there isn't a cadre of Microsoft execs and lawyers discussing this right now? Not in terms of right and wrong, just in terms of damage and payoff.

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  53. Re:You are making it too complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nonsense. No thorn has been placed anywhere except in the ass of American victims of Alan's personal politcal protest.

  54. Re:You are making it too complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here here. As a Canadian (our government is currently CONSIDERING a law similar to the DMCA) I fully support Alan Cox's actions on this issue.

  55. Re:You are making it too complicated by dinivin · · Score: 1


    Oh, Bullshit... Alan hasn't put a thorn in anything. All he's done is make himself look like a fool.

    Dinivin

  56. Alan's taking the easy way out by SMN · · Score: 3, Flamebait
    This is liable to be score (-1, Unpopular Opinion), but it needs to be said:

    If Alan Cox really wants to make a point, he should put his money where his mouth is and LET himself be open to a suit under the DMCA. His current approach, hiding the changelogs, does nothing to stop the DMCA, and by submitting to it he's giving its backers exactly what they want.

    Laws don't get changed if nobody has the guts to challenge them. If Alan wants to get his point across, he should let himself be sued (not that it would actually happen, because I doubt any company really gives a damn what he puts in his changelog). Then he, like Felten and Sklyarov, has a great case to challenge the law with.

    Instead, this "spectacle" seems to be Alan submitting to the DMCA, then trying to attract as much attention as possible to his crying about it. I have no pity for this, and I hope the rest of his audience feels the same.

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    1. Re:Alan's taking the easy way out by ShaunC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We already have some precedents (in Felten and Sklyarov) about how "people who violate the DMCA get screwed." We don't need more of those, at least not at the expense of good people. The general public probably looks at these two cases as you'd expect them to: "Well, gee, they did break the law, so I guess they had it coming."

      Alan is taking a different approach. He's not trying to show the world that breaking the law will get you in trouble. He's trying to show the world that people who obey the law are the ones being hampered. Instead of violating the law (knowingly or not) and then crying foul when he gets charged, he's making the point that complying with the DMCA interferes with legitimate business. It's a subtle difference, but IMO it's a better precedent. I think people will be more apt to see the DMCA as a bad law once they understand that it's the law-abiding citizens who are being effectively punished.

      To quote a poster from the original thread on this issue, the DMCA is the only law so stupid that it must be fought through civil obedience!

      Shaun

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    2. Re:Alan's taking the easy way out by SMN · · Score: 2
      He's not trying to show the world that breaking the law will get you in trouble. He's trying to show the world that people who obey the law are the ones being hampered.


      He's not showing the world anything; he's only telling those of us who follow Linux and Slashdot. He's simply "preaching to the choir."



      Furthermore, even if this was publicised, it would hardly seem like the case of a poor academic being wronged by and unjust law -- and that's because it isn't. It's a British hacker with no legal expertise stretching this American law so that he can cry out that he was wronged.



      You and I and whoever else is reading this know that what he's saying might not be that much of a stretch, and that there is a slight chance this could get him in trouble. But he won't be earning any sympathy from anyone other than us unless that actually happens, and I think it's very unlikely that anyone would ever try to apply the DMCA against him in that manner anyway.



      (There goes my karma. Kill the messenger =)

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    3. Re:Alan's taking the easy way out by SMN · · Score: 2
      He's not trying to show the world that breaking the law will get you in trouble. He's trying to show the world that people who obey the law are the ones being hampered
      He's not showing the world anything; he's only telling those of us who follow Linux and Slashdot. He's simply "preaching to the choir."

      Furthermore, even if this was publicised, it would hardly seem like the case of a poor academic being wronged by and unjust law -- and that's because it isn't. It's a British hacker with no legal expertise stretching this American law so that he can cry out that he was wronged.

      You and I and whoever else is reading this know that what he's saying might not be that much of a stretch, and that there is a slight chance this could get him in trouble. But he won't be earning any sympathy from anyone other than us unless that actually happens, and I think it's very unlikely that anyone would ever try to apply the DMCA against him in that manner anyway.

      (There goes my karma. Kill the messenger =)

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    4. Re:Alan's taking the easy way out by Tony-A · · Score: 1

      it's the law-abiding citizens who are being effectively punished.
      Look at who's affected:
      Alan. Not much. He'll miss a bit of informed opinion from the US.
      International Linux. No effect. The info is freely available.
      "Foreign Hackers". No effect. The info is freely available.
      "Domestic Hackers". Minimal effect. They've got to use a foreign source of info.
      "Law-abiding" US sysadmins. Upgrade without knowing why or risk the unknown. These are the ones being punished.
      Can't really blame Alan. It's not his responsibility to risk jail to protect Americans from their own stupid laws.

    5. Re:Alan's taking the easy way out by crucini · · Score: 2, Interesting

      First, it's criminal prosecution, not just a suit. Second, why is Alan obliged to become a martyr to an unjust law in a foreign country? Did you travel to Afghanistan and commit adultery so you could be stoned to death, thereby convincing the Afghanis of the injustice of sharia? Better yet, why don't you go to England and violate the RIP law by refusing to provide decryption keys to a block of data the police want. Maybe when you're living in a British prison Alan Cox will be inspired to come live in an American prison.

    6. Re:Alan's taking the easy way out by PigleT · · Score: 2

      "Alan is taking a different approach. He's not trying to show the world that breaking the law will get you in trouble. He's trying to show the world that people who obey the law are the ones being hampered."

      I see. So I should really regard the Changelog as a joke and diff the sources for myself, should I? *bzzzt*, I have real live servers to maintain. If I don't get to know what I'm upgrading and for why, I won't use linux on them at all.

      Alan, if you're reading, remember that you're in the UK, not the US, and don't pander to their damn silly DMCA "law" either as a joke or semi-seriously (I know kernel.org is in the US...) again.

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    7. Re:Alan's taking the easy way out by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 1

      If Alan Cox really wants to make a point, he should put his money where his mouth is and LET himself be open to a suit under the DMCA. His current approach, hiding the changelogs, does nothing to stop the DMCA, and by submitting to it he's giving its backers exactly what they want.

      Why should Alan Cox "put his money" anywhere at all? Mr. Cox is a programmer, not a martyr or a political activist. And how is it your perogative to instruct him to do anything at all? You are welcome to put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is, and take some action to flaunt the DMCA (I"m sure you can come up with something or someone here could provide some suggestions if you wish) and then go to jail to "make your point".

      Why shouldn't Mr. Cox "take the easy way out"? The DMCA isn't his fight, he's not a US citizen (so he can't complain to his congressman), and he's protecting his ability to travel to the US without fear of being arrested.

      What's unreasonable about that?

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    8. Re:Alan's taking the easy way out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If Alan Cox really wants to make a point, he should put his money where his mouth is and LET himself be open to a suit under the DMCA. His current approach, hiding the changelogs, does nothing to stop the DMCA, and by submitting to it he's giving its backers exactly what they want.

      OK, so when will *you* be putting your money etc by writing Alan Cox and volunteering to publish the changelogs yourself? That way, if anything does happen, *YOU* can be the one with the guts to challenge the law - instead of just whinging from the sidelines at someone else's choice of action.

    9. Re:Alan's taking the easy way out by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2

      You'll just have to complain to your lawmakers about the hampering you're under because of the DMCA as later posters have seemingly done.

      I live in Canada and have sent in my pleas for us to not have a rehashed DMCA introduced here already.

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    10. Re:Alan's taking the easy way out by MikeBabcock · · Score: 2

      Actually, Alan isn't being wronged and isn't whining.

      The DMCA is affecting those who are using Linux except Alan Cox and other non-US developers. Its the Americans who should be complaining about how this has affected them.

      The US has this habit of charging foreigners with breaking these new laws and getting them extradited or tricking them into coming onto american soil when necessary.

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  57. Re:You are making it too complicated by pauljlucas · · Score: 1
    The only thing Mr. Cox has achieved ... by his action is to annoy US-based Linux users ...
    Even if that is true, the hope is, if you are a US citizen, you will be so annoyed that you will write your congressional representatives and complain.
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  58. Silly people... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If anything, the argument that Mr. Cox puts forth just makes your "fight" look silly.

  59. Who cares about such laws... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares about such laws in US. People living in US have much worse laws and problems to take care of. I'm not saying DMCA isn't bad (if such laws were implemented here in Sweden I would raise my voice high), but as US citizen there is just so much crap to take care of that DMCA may look like a small problem. Step one should be to learn what democracy and free speech REALLY is! (ok - this maybe IS realted after all)

    Go US Go

  60. Re:You are making it too complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for what? ...taking caution with us laws?

  61. Alan Cox - defender of freedom in America by alienmole · · Score: 5, Informative
    The DMCA is a U.S. law. Dmitri Skylarov was arrested while breaking the DMCA on U.S. soil.

    Not a law student, I take it. If Alan makes information available across the Internet to Americans, that violates a US law, Alan has violated US law and can be arrested when he enters the country. To take a less ephemeral example, imagine if a Colombian mails you a package of cocaine and puts his name and return address on the package. You don't think he could be arrested on entry to the US? By your logic, Osama bin Laden could not be arrested if he flew into JFK tomorrow, because he has never personally committed a crime on US soil.

    The federal goverment does not actively seek out violators of the DMCA without a "victim" bringing the violation to their attention.

    Do you think Sklyarov knew that his "victims" had filed a complaint against him, before he was arrested? How is Alan going to know when it is or isn't safe to travel to the US? Tivo might decide to bring a complaint because Alan has enabled people to more easily crack their boxes, for example. Linux has far wider scope, and many more applications, than anything Sklyarov ever did.

    This business of having draconian laws which are enforced at the authorities discretion is very dangerous. It restricts freedom in all sorts of ways, and often results in people restricting their own freedoms, and those of others - as Alan has done - in order to "play it safe". Laws like this take away basic freedoms in an insidious, indirect way that would never be possible if done directly.

    If you're saying that you support the DMCA as written, then I suppose we have a total different argument which we haven't even begun to address. But if you don't support the DMCA, you should respect Alan Cox's right to respond to it.

    Alan Cox is doing more for freedom in America than you have ever done. Think about that the next time you criticize.

    1. Re:Alan Cox - defender of freedom in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey let's take this nonsense all the way....

      The US has extradition treaties with most of the planet. By publishing the change logs in the past, he can be extradited for previous crimes even though he now sees the error of his ways.

      Alan is already a criminal. He's unlikely to be able to escape extradition. He should flee or turn himself in before it's too late.

      Of course, this is just as fantastic a scenario as that which Alan concocted but since I'm not as well known as Alan (and don't want to be, thanks), my version of his plight won't be as widely broadcast.

      Perhaps I should suggest to the FBI that Alan is a known multiple violator of the DMCA and they should extradite him?

      Anyone see how Alan's soapboxism is silly now? He can't hide in England or anywhere else in Europe or most other places if the US wants to nab him.

    2. Re:Alan Cox - defender of freedom in America by tannhaus · · Score: 1

      >Alan Cox is doing more for freedom in America than you have ever done. Think about that the next time you criticize.

      Ok...that was just silly. I am an American citizen. I vote AND write my congress. Even if I didn't write congress, I still do more for freedom than some middle aged man in england hiding details for a kernel that many consider old tech anyway.

      By doing what he's doing, Alan Cox is preaching to the choir and alienating americans. We didn't vote for the DMCA...we didn't have a chance to. Yet, he is "punishing" us because of his ego. He thinks he is important enough that he'll make a difference. If we're not making a difference here, he won't make a difference concealing details about something most, if not all, congressmen have never even heard of.

      I, for one, am just glad that he's not going to maintain the 2.4 kernel.

    3. Re:Alan Cox - defender of freedom in America by alienmole · · Score: 2
      Ok...that was just silly. I am an American citizen. I vote AND write my congress.

      Believe it or not, I didn't actually mean that as any kind of insult, just a reflection of the fact that having a more public presence, Cox is more likely to have an impact than you, unless you are actually active in politics in some way, beyond simply voting and writing your congressperson.

      By doing what he's doing, Alan Cox is preaching to the choir and alienating americans.

      You're only alienated if you choose to be alienated. While you may not have voted for the DMCA, nevertheless your elected representatives did. There's a problem there, which may stem from issues like campaign finance that allow corporations to purchase legislation, and from politicians and their staffs being undereducated on information technology and its social implications. Whatever the reasons, the end result is a problem, and I think it only helps the cause if people outside the US make it clear that they perceive a problem.

      Yet, he is "punishing" us because of his ego. He thinks he is important enough that he'll make a difference.

      Actually, as some other people have pointed out, his position may be much more pragmatic than political - he doesn't want to expose himself to unnecessary risks. Either way, though, I think you underestimate the value of apparently "token" actions like those Alan has taken. It all adds up. Symbolic gestures are often the things that get people thinking about something, and they propagate through society in unexpected and unpredictable ways. If everyone simply sits back and accepts the situation, you can be sure that nothing will ever change. Alan has made it clear that he perceives a problem, and that's important.

      If we're not making a difference here, he won't make a difference concealing details about something most, if not all, congressmen have never even heard of.

      But he can now be pointed to as an example of how the DMCA is affecting the willingness of the international community to collaborate on technological projects with the U.S. There are similarities to the Felten case. This hasn't happened yet, but he's just one more piece of evidence in the case against the DMCA. He alone is certainly unlikely to change anything, but again, change has to start somewhere.

      Taking action in the certain expectation of criticism like yours is part of what makes what Alan's actions admirable. He's doing what he thinks is right and necessary. You're choosing to interpret that as some kind of personal insult, but I think you're wrong to see it that way. Alan, whether wrong or right, is at least taking a stand and a position that has a chance to have an effect.

      I, for one, am just glad that he's not going to maintain the 2.4 kernel.

      I don't really understand the connection - this just seems petty to me. You can get hold of the changelogs if you want them, just not from Alan, so that's not really an issue. You object to anyone outside the US pointing to the stupidity of a US law? Why? He's on your side, whether you realize it or not. Don't be so sensitive - the US can withstand a bit of bashing, especially when it deserves it, and it doesn't have to be a reflection on you personally.

  62. Wasn't it a joke/political comment? by GNU+Zealot · · Score: 1

    My interpretation of Alan's actions were that they were more of a joke or satirical political comment. Am I wrong? I don't read the kernel mailing lists or anything, so it's not like I have the best insight into the issue. Would someone who actually somewhat knows Alan mind telling us his real motivation for censoring the changelogs?

    1. Re:Wasn't it a joke/political comment? by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Am I wrong?Yes, you're wrong.

      Mr. Cox has consulted a lawyer (always a good idea when you are unsure of how a law might affect your activities) and has been advised that there is a greater-than-zero chance that he might be open to arrest and imprisonment if he travels to the US after publishing an "uncensored" changelog. Mr. Cox therefore chooses to avoid that greater-than-zero chance and protect his ability to travel to the US as he wishes to.

      It's not a joke. It's sounds silly, but it's not a joke. Unfortunate indeed, but no joke.

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  63. Yeah, I know by twilight30 · · Score: 1

    but it's irritating nonetheless. (OT: Lived in London for 5 years, returned to Canada 2 years ago.)

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  64. OT: Beale and Mandrake by twilight30 · · Score: 1

    Anyone know if Jay Beale is still employed by MandrakeSoft?

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  65. Not Open Enough by Lazaru5 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I have always favored the BSD freenixes over Linux. One primary reason is that all code is maintained in publicly viewable CVS servers.

    Linux, unfortunately, is not. To the best of my knowledge, Linus doesn't even use CVS privately. If you want to upgrade your kernel, you have to wait for new releases in the form of full or patch tarballs delivered to kernel.org like mana from heaven (Linus). There's no easy way to see arbitrary changes in any file at any time. There's no reading commit logs.

    For that matter, there's no easy way to contribute. That is to say, there's not an _easier_ way. You have to mail your patches to some list or maintainer, etc. There's no public bug tracker.

    When will it be Open? Or is Free enough?

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  66. I simply do not understand by LMCBoy · · Score: 1

    Hey, one of you IANAL-types. Help me out here.

    I can't understand why Alan claims to have a legitimate concern of getting arrested on his next visit to the US. I mean it's one thing to publish code that exploits somebody else's lackluster security features (i.e., Skylarov); it's quite something else to simply publish the security status of your own code base.

    Surely the DMCA, as bad as it is, can't send someone to jail for disclosing their *own* security info? (OK, so the kernel isn't technically Alan's, but he is the code's primary maintainer). I mean, who would be the complaintant in the case? Would they not have to demonstrate some kind of damage that resulted from the alleged misdeed?

    Someone help me out, I simply can't believe there's a legitimate reason to fear arrest in this case. Surely, he's just making a point, right?

    If not...my God. WTF happened to my country? I want it back.

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    1. Re:I simply do not understand by innocent_white_lamb · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I mean, who would be the complaintant in the case?

      As the DMCA is a federal law, the complainant in that case would be the same as the complainant the next time someone gets busted by the DEA for importing cocaine. The US federal government. No need for a "real person" to file a complaint or anything like that.

      Would they not have to demonstrate some kind of damage that resulted from the alleged misdeed?

      That's not included in the DMCA, sorry. No need to actually prove that any damage was done.

      Surely, he's just making a point, right?

      Nope, he's genuinely concerned about going to jail. Mr. Cox has apparently checked with a lawyer (always a good idea when unsure of what the law really is) and has been advised as follows:

      (a) It is unlikely but not out-of-the-question that he would be arrested and incarcerated in the US for publishing the changelogs.
      (b)It is extremely unlikely (almost impossible) that he would actually be CONVICTED under the DMCA.

      Having considered the matter, Mr. Cox takes the not unreasonable position that he would rather not take a chance of being arrested and tossed into jail until he eventually gets to trial. It's a small chance, sure, but the possibility does apparently exist.

      I don't see how anyone can fault Mr. Cox for taking action to insure that he does not get tossed into jail in the USA the next time he visits there, He's checked with a lawyer and been advised that there is a risk; he chooses not to take that risk.

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    2. Re:I simply do not understand by Dahan · · Score: 2
      I don't see how anyone can fault Mr. Cox for taking action to insure that he does not get tossed into jail in the USA the next time he visits there, He's checked with a lawyer and been advised that there is a risk; he chooses not to take that risk.

      No, he's just using his position of power to make a political point... and while there's nothing wrong with that, it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

      (a) It is unlikely but not out-of-the-question that he would be arrested and incarcerated in the US for publishing the changelogs.

      It is unlikely, but not out of the question that Alan will be struck by a meteorite. Perhaps he should be taking some precautions against that too?

    3. Re:I simply do not understand by monksp · · Score: 1
      I don't see how anyone can fault Mr. Cox for taking action to insure that he does not get tossed into jail in the USA the next time he visits there, He's checked with a lawyer and been advised that there is a risk; he chooses not to take that risk.

      No, he's just using his position of power to make a political point... and while there's nothing wrong with that, it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

      Is he, though? The two reasons aren't mutually exclusive. How is it disingenuous if you realize you can try to drive home a valid point while doing a bit of CYA?

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    4. Re:I simply do not understand by Malcontent · · Score: 2

      "If not...my God. WTF happened to my country? I want it back"

      You can't have it back. It costs too much and you can't afford it.

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    5. Re:I simply do not understand by Dahan · · Score: 1

      I meant that "innocent_white_lamb" is being disingenuous, saying that Alan isn't trying to make a point, and that he's "genuinely concerned" about going to jail.

  67. Full Changelog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's the full uncensored changelog for Linux 2.2.20:

    2.2.20 final
    o Final fixes for the computone driver (Michael Warfield)

    2.2.20pre12
    o Update davicom driver to fix oopses (Sten Wang)
    o Updated PC300 driver - fix SCA-II DMA bugs
    (Daniela P. R. Magri Squassoni)
    o Make syn cookies per socket (Andi Kleen)
    o Computone driver fixes for fast PC's (Michael Warfield)
    | Follow on devfs patches didnt apply so dropped
    o DAC960 update (Leonard Zubkoff)

    2.2.20pre11
    o Security fixes
    - Quota buffer overrun , possibly locally (Solar Designer)
    exploitable
    - Ptrace race - local root exploit (Rafal Wojtczuk,
    - Symlink local denial of service attack Solar Designer,
    fix Linus Torvalds)
    - Sparc exec fixups (Solar Designer)
    o Sparc updates (Dave Miller)
    o Add escaped usb hot plug config item (Ryan Maple)
    o Fix eepro10 driver problems (Aris)
    o Make request_module return match 2.4 (David Woodhouse)
    o Update SiS900 driver (Hui-Fen Hsu)
    o Update ver_linux to match 2.4 (Steven Cole)
    o Final isdn fixups for 2.2 (Kai Germaschewski)
    o scsi tape fixes from 2.4 (Kai Mäkisara)
    o Update credits entry (Henrik Storner)
    o Fix scc driver hang case (Jeroen)
    o Update credits entry (Dave Jones)
    o Update FAT documentation (Hirokazu Nomoto)
    o Small net tweaks (Dave Miller)
    o Fix cs89xx abuse of skb->len (Kapr Johnik)

    2.2.20pre10
    o Update the gdth driver (Achim Leubner)
    o Fix prelink elf loading in 2.2 (Jakub Jelinek)
    o 2.2 lockd fixes when talking to HP/UX (Trond Myklebust)
    o 3ware driver update (Adam Radford)
    o hysdn driver update (Kai Germaschewski)
    o Backport via rhine fixes (Dennis Bjorklund)
    o NFS client fixes (Trond Myklebust, Ion Badulescu,
    Jim Castleberry, Crag I Hagan.
    Adrian Drzewiecki)
    o Blacklist TEAC PD-1 to single lun (Wojtek Pilorz)
    o Fix null request_mode return (David Woodhouse)
    o Update credits entry (Fernando Fuganti)
    o Fix sparc build with newer binutils (Andreas Jaeger)
    o Starfire update (Ion Badulescu)
    o Remove dead USB files (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Fix isdn mppp crash case (Kai Germaschewski)
    o Fix eicon driver (Kai Germaschewski)
    o More pci idents (Andreas Tobler)
    o Typo fix (Eli Carter)
    o Remove ^M's from some data files (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o 64bit cleanups for isdn (Kai Germaschewski)
    o Update isdn certificates (Kai Germaschewski)
    o Mac update for sysrq (Ben Herrenschmidt)

    2.2.20pre9
    o Document ip_always_defrag in proc.txt (Brett Eldrige)
    o Update S/390 asm for newer gcc (Ulrich Weigand
    o Update S/390 documentation Carsten Otte
    o Update s390 dump too and co)
    o Update s/390 dasd to match 2.4
    o Backport s/390 tape driver from 2.4
    o FDDI bits for s/390
    o Updates for newer pmac laptops (Tom Rini)
    o AMD760MP support (Johannes Erdfelt)
    o Fix PPC oops on media change (Tom Rini)
    o Fix some weird but valid input combinations (Tom Rini)
    on PPC
    o Add additional checks to irc dcc masquerade (Juanjo Ciarlante,
    Michal Zalewski)
    o Update 2.2 ISDN maintainer (Kai Germaschewski)
    o Fix 3c505 with > 16Mb of RAM (Paul)
    o Bring USB into sync with 2.4.7 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)

    2.2.20pre8
    o Merge DRM fixes from 2.4.7 tree (me)
    o Merge sbpcd fixes from 2.4.7 tree
    o Merge moxa buffer length check
    o Merge bttv clip length check
    o Merge aha2920 shared irq from 2.4.7 tree
    o Merge MTWEOF fix from 2.4.6 tree
    o Merge serverworks AGP from 2.4.6 tree
    o Merge sbc60xxx watchdog fixes from 2.4.6
    o Merge lapbether fixes from 2.4.6
    o Merge bpqether fixes from 2.4.6
    o Merge scc fixes from 2.4.6
    o Merge lmc memory leak fixes from 2.4.6
    o Merge sm_wss fixes from 2.4.6
    o Resync AGP support with 2.4.6
    o Merge epca fixes from 2.4.5
    o Merge riscom8 fixes from 2.4.5
    o Merge softdog fixes from 2.4.5
    o Merge specialix fixes from 2.4.5
    o Merge wdt/wdt_pci fixes from 2.4.5
    o ISDN cisco hdlc fixes (Kai Germaschewski)
    o ISDN timer fixes (Kai Germaschewski)
    o isdn minor control change backport (Kai Germaschewski)
    o Backport ELCR MP 1.1 config/PCI routing stuff (John William)
    o Backport isdn ppp fixes from 2.4 (Kai Germaschewski)
    o Backport isdn_tty fixes from 2.4 (Kai Germaschewski)
    o eicon cleanups (Armin Schindler)
    | Armin can you double check the clashes were ok
    o Fix an ntfs oops (Anton Altaparmakov)
    o Fix arp null neighbour buglet (Dave Miller)
    o Update sparc version strings, pci fixups (Dave Miller)
    o Define CONFIG_X86 in 2.2 as well as 2.4 (Herbert Xu)
    o Configure.help cleanups (Steven Cole)
    o Add MODE_SELECT_10 to qlogic fc table (Jeff Andre)
    o Remove dead oldproc variable (Dave Miller)
    o Update starfire driver for 2.2 (Ion Badulescu)
    o 8139too driver update (Jens David)
    o Assorted race fixes for binfmt loaders (Al Viro)
    o Update Alpha support for older boxes (Jay Estabrook)
    o ISDN bsdcomp/ppp compression fixes (Kai Germaschewski)

    2.2.20pre7
    o Merge rose buffer management fixes (Jean-Paul Roubelat)
    o Configure.help updates (Steven Cole)
    o Add Steven Cole to credits (Steven Cole)
    o Update kbuild list info (Michael Chastain)
    o Fix slab.c doc typo (Piotr Kasprzyk)
    o Lengthen parport probe timeout (Jean-Luc Coulon)
    o Fix vm86 cleanup (Stas Sergeev)
    o Fix 8139too build bug (Jürgen Zimmermann)
    o Fix slow 8139too performance (Oleg Makarenko)
    o Sparc64 exec fixes (Solar Designer)

    2.2.20pre6
    o Merge all the pending ISDN updates (Kai Germaschewski)
    | These are sizable changes and want a good testing
    o Fix sg deadlock bug as per 2.4 (Douglas Gilbert)
    o Count socket/pipe in quota inode use (Paul Menage)
    o Fix some missing configuration help texts (Steven Cole)
    o Fix Rik van Riel's credits entry (Rik van Riel)
    o Mark xtime as volatile in extern definition (various people)
    o Fix open error return checks (Andries Brouwer)

    2.2.20pre5
    o Fix a patch generation error, replaces 2.2.20pre4 which is
    wrong on ad1848

    2.2.20pre4
    o Fix small corruption bug in 82596 (Andries Brouwer)
    o Fix usb printer probing (Pete Zaitcev)
    o Fix swapon/procfs race (Paul Menage)
    o Handle ide dma bug in the CS5530 (Mark Lord)
    o Backport 2.4 ipv6 neighbour discovery changes (Dave Miller)
    o FIx sock_wmalloc error handling (Dave Miller)
    o Enter quickack mode for out of window TCP data (Andi Kleen)
    o Fix Established v SYN-ACK TCP state error (Alexey Kuznetsov)
    o Sparc updates, ptrace changes etc (Dave Miller)
    o Fix wrong printk in vdolive masq (Keitaro Yosimura)
    o Fix core dump handling bugs in 2.2 (Al Viro)
    o Update hdlc and synclink drivers (Paul Fulghum)
    o Update netlink help texts (Magnus Damm)
    o Fix rtl8139 keeping files open (Andrew Morton)
    o Further sk98 driver updates. fix wrong license (Mirko Lindner)
    text in files
    o Jonathan Woithe has moved (Jonathan Woithe)
    o Update cpqarray driver (Charles White)
    o Update cciss driver (Charles White)
    o Don't delete directories on an fs that reports (Ingo Oeser)
    then 0 size when doing distclean
    o Add support for the 2.4 boot extensions to 2.2 (H Peter Anvin)
    o Fix nfs cache locking corruption on SMP (Craig Hagan)
    o Add missing check to cdrom readaudio ioctl (Jani Jaakkola)
    o Fix refclock build with newer gcc (Jari Ruusu)
    o koi8-r fixes (Andy Rysin)
    o Spelling fixes for documentation (Andries Brouwer)

    2.2.20pre3
    o FPU/ptrace corruption fixes (Victor Zandy)
    o Resync belkin usb serial with 2.4 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Resync digiport usb serial with 2.4 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Rsync empeg usb serial with 2.4 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Resync ftdi_sio against 2.4 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Bring keyscan usb back into line with 2.4 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Resync keyspan_pda usb with 2.4 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Resync omninet usb with 2.4.5 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Resync usb-serial driver with 2.4.5 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Resync visor usb driver with 2.4.5 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Rsync whiteheat driver with 2.4.5 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Add edgeport USB serial (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Add mct_u232 USB serial (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Update usb storage device list (Stas Bekman, Kaz Sasayma)
    o Bring usb acm driver into line with 2.4.5 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Bring bluetooth driver into line with 2.4.5 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Bring dabusb driver into line with 2.4.5 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Bring usb dc2xx driver into line with 2.4.5 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Bring mdc800 usb driver into line with 2.4.5 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Bring rio driver into line with 2.4.5 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Bring USB scanner drivers into line with 2.4.5 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Update ov511 driver to match 2.4.5 (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Update PCIIOC ioctls (esp for sparc) (Dave Miller)
    o General sparc bugfixes (Dave Miller)
    o Fix possible oops in fbmem ioctls (Dave Miller)
    o Fix reboot/halt bug on "Alcor" Alpha boxes (Tom Vier)
    o Update osst driver (Willem Riede)
    o Fix syncppp negotiation bug (Bob Dunlop)
    o SMBfs bug fixes from 2.4 series (Urban Widmark)
    o 3ware IDE raid driver updates (Adam Radford)
    o Fix incorrect use of bitops on non long types (Dave Miller)
    o Fix reboot/halt bug on 'Miata' Alpha boxes (Tom Vier)
    o Update Tim Waugh's contact info (Tim Waugh)
    o Add TIOCGSERIAL to sun serial on PCI sparc32 (Lars Kellogg-Stedman)
    o ov511 check user data more carefully (Marc McClelland)
    o Fix netif_wake_queue compatibility macro (Andi Kleen)

    2.2.20pre2
    o Fix ip_decrease_ttl as per 2.4 (Dave Miller)
    o Fix tcp retransmit state bug (Alexey Kuznetsov)
    o Fix a few obscure sparc tree bugs (Dave Miller)
    o Fix fb /proc bug and OF fb name size bug (Segher Boessenkool)
    o Fix complie with CONFIG_INTEL_RNG=y (Andrzej Krzysztofowicz)
    o Fix rio driver when HZ!=100 (Andrzej Krzysztofowicz)
    o Stop 3c509 grabbing other EISA boards (Andrzej Krzysztofowicz)
    o Remove surplus defines for root= names (Andrzej Krzysztofowicz)
    o Revert pre1 APIC change

    2.2.20pre1
    o Fix SMP deadlock in NFS (Trond Myklebust)
    o Fix missing printk in bluesmoke handler (me)
    o Fix sparc64 nfs (Dave Miller)
    o Update io_apic code to avoid breaking dual (Johannes Erdfelt)
    Athlon 760MP
    o Fix includes bugs in toshiba driver (Justin Keene,
    Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Fix wanpipe cross compile (Phil Blundell)
    o AGPGART copy_from_user fix (Dawson Engler)
    o Fix alpha resource setup error (Allan Frank)
    o Eicon driver updates (Armind Schindler)
    o PC300 driver update (Daniela Squassoni)
    o Show lock owner on flocks (Jim Mintha)
    o Update cciss driver to 1.0.3 (Charles White)
    o Backport cciss/cpqarray security fixes (me)
    o Update i810 random number generator (Jeff Garzik)
    o Update sk98 driver (Mirko Lindner)
    o Update sis900 ethernet driver (Hui-Fen Hsu)
    o Fix checklist glitch in make menuconfig (Moritz Schulte)
    o Update synclink driver (Paul Fulghum)
    o Update advansys scsi driver (Bob Frey)
    o Ver_linux fixes for 2.2 (Steven Cole)
    o Bring 2.2 back into line with the master ISDN (Kai Germaschewski)
    o Whiteheat usb driver update (Greg Kroah-Hartmann)
    o Fix via_rhine byte counters (Adam Lackorzynski)
    o Fix modem control on rio serial (Rogier Wolff)
    o Add more Iomega Zip to the usb storage list (Wim Coekaerts)
    o Add ZF Micro watchdog (Fernando Fuganti)

    1. Re:Full Changelog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [changelog snipped]

      Too bad you missed the whole point by posting as an A.C. If you really felt it was unjust you'd have posted under your real name, so you could be held accountable for posting the log (if it ever came to that).

  68. How about a diff? by an_mo · · Score: 1

    Excuse my ignorance on the subject, but isn't the kernel open source? Why couldn't one do a simple diff to see what's changed?

  69. Why is posting changelog a dmca violation? by an_mo · · Score: 0, Troll

    Can someone explain this plain and simple?

  70. When to disclose security vunlnerabilities: by einhverfr · · Score: 2

    First, I agree with the original post that Alan Cox's behavior, aside from the legal issues, was fairly inconsiderate. However, I think that he was conscious of that fact, and as I understand it, he was acting under legal counsel.

    However, you are right: The issue today is when and whether to document the exact nature of security issues.

    Regarding software, I am a strong proponent of full disclosure. System and network security has several aspects, and the real security is found in how the network is designed, so that it can minimize security risks. Two networks running the same software and hardware may posess very different degrees of security due to their underlying infrastructure, etc. So disclosing the exact nature of a software vulnerability is not the same as giving instructions on how to break into a system.

    However full disclosure does accomplish several things:

    1: A reliable way to see which systems are vulnerable.

    2: A clear understanding of what the log signatures of an attack would look like.

    3: A clear understanding of how the exploit works so that administrators can make intelligent choices as to how to reduce or mitigate that risk.

    The first one was covered in the article, but I see the second two as extrmely important as well.

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  71. Pandora's Box? by einhverfr · · Score: 2

    I think I understand the reasoning behind this claim, that Alan Cox could have opened a Pandora's Box, so to speak.

    I think not! Pandora's Box is a Microsoft product! It would be really amusing if Cox opened it.

    Of course, Pandora's Box really describes my thoughts of NT...

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  72. Think Unix by danny · · Score: 2
    It's a cool book. If you want to know more about it, check out Lasser's web site, or read my own book review.

    Danny.

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  73. The DMCA should not hobble the open source process by budGibson · · Score: 1

    As I see it, Linux is open-source and a community project. Does the DMCA keep developers within an organization from communicating with each other? No. Therefore, it should not keep Mr. Cox from communicating errata to the organization that develops Linux, which happens to be the open-source community.

    Now, having said that, it seems that some sticky points may come up when you consider that there are commercial entities that profit from reselling linux or, if you will, conveniently packaging it. Could they claim commercial wrong by revealing possible exploits? Hmmm?

    Perhaps the most pragmatic approach would be to alter the license that the code is distributed under to say that the user/repackager recognizes the right of individuals to specify the existence of security holes and how to fix them. That these specifications do not diminish the commercial value but rather enhance them.

    Mind you, this is not the comprehensive solution that Mr. Cox seeks. However, it is a solution that may be better suited to the community to which Mr. Cox belongs...and more feasible to boot. The DMCA is something we in the US have been saddled with. We should not let it disrupt the open source process.

  74. open source intrinsically at risk by mj6798 · · Score: 2
    The sad fact is that there is a lot of stuff you can put into code these days that exposes you to civil and criminal liability. People will try to bring claims of patent infringement, circumvention, copyright violations, and hacking against you.

    And open source is at a grave disadvantage here: when Microsoft violates the GPL, nobody will know about it because it is hidden in gigabytes of messy binaries. But when Apache or the Linux kernel steps on someone's toes, everybody knows about it right away because the source code is open and widely read.

    I don't have a solution for this problem other than that we need to become more active politically: open source software should not be at this disadvantage. But until the laws are fixed, decisions like Cox's, will be both rational and increasingly common. Stopgap technological measures, such as anonymous posting of such information, may help in the meanwhile, but they are far from perfect, both because they don't actually remove the legal liability and because they make development unnecessarily cumbersome.

  75. I am feeding a troll, oh well by einhverfr · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Well, since I have no way to know if security holes
    exist in the Linux kernel, I will have to switch
    to another operating system that I can verify problems
    with. Obviously if people think Linux can be run
    in a production environment before, it won't be now.
    Good thing for the BSDs at least. :)


    OpenBSD says no REMOTE security holes in 4 years in the default installation. This is a far cry from saying now holes.

    I really respect *BSD. In many instances, I think that it is somewhat more mature for some tasks than Linux. However, that does not change the argument that OpenBSD is secure because of distrobution issues more than kernel issues. And there are similar Linux distributions, such as Trustix which apply the same mentality. You, sir, are a troll.

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  76. Re:You are making it too complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More likely scenario: It'll now be impossible to get my boss to switch anything else of to Linux because if he hears about this, I'm going to have a tough time explaining how we don't get documentation on security issues because some guy over the pond thinks it's a cute way of protesting the DMCA.

    Thanks Alan. Way to go on the pro-Linux advocacy front.

  77. legal nonsense by alienmole · · Score: 2
    Hey let's take this nonsense all the way....

    The "nonsense" here is the DMCA. Alan's is actually quite a rational response. If he ever finds himself accused under the DMCA, he can point to the fact that once apprised of his legal situation, he took proactive steps to change it. This would certainly mitigate if not eliminate any liability or guilt he has under the law.

    Perhaps I should suggest to the FBI that Alan is a known multiple violator of the DMCA and they should extradite him?

    If your copyrights were being violated in some way that had to do with previous Linux changelogs, you might be able to do just that, although it might depend on the details of the extradition treaties. What's your point?

    Anyone see how Alan's soapboxism is silly now?

    No. As you say, you're not as well known as Alan - and not being well-known, you're not exposed to the legal risks, due to greater scrutiny, to which higher-profile people are often subject. I'm sure Sklyarov is really glad to hear that you don't think the DMCA is anything to worry about.

  78. Idaho Letter by ink · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Here's a letter I sent to my congressman and senators. Feel free to copy it; I hope to see people from every state followup with letters that they have sent. Everyone needs to take action now; if only the representatives from California and New York are notified, nothing will be done.

    Representative Simpson,

    As I feared, and wrote to you about, the Digital Millenium Copyright Act (DMCA) has now crippled US software developers. Here is a thread which basically explains the situation:

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22882&cid=2460 604

    In short: the DMCA has forced the Linux kernel developers to distinguish between "US" and "Non-US" developers. The "Non-US" group of developers are privy to all the security fixes for the kernel while the "US" group are now unable to view these changes because of recent action by DMCA proponents (the FBI's Skylarov case, MPAA vs. 2600).

    Worse than that, we (US developers) are no longer able to participate in security development and as such are in a weaker position to ensure the security of a product -- something very important in light of September 11th. This law needs to be fixed or repealed as soon as possible; it has prevented university research from being published (see Felton vs. RIAA, SDMI) and companies are using the most ridiculous "copy protection" schemes in order to halt speaking about security.

    You Fellow Idahoan,

    Craig M. Kelley

    Feel free to cut and paste and modify.

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    1. Re:Idaho Letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and when he reads the purile garbage this site is full of, he'll ignore your letter.

      Not that I think you've done the wrong thing by any stretch of the imagination, this site is less than professional. More of a playground, unfortunately...

  79. Jon Lasser may be smart, but... by dido · · Score: 2

    ...today he seems to be off-balance, and doesn't seem to understand all of the issues about which he speaks. Apparently he has failed to note a couple of key facts:

    1. Alan Cox hasn't censored himself. If Jon Lasser would fly to England or cross the border into either Mexico or Canada, he could find an Internet café somewhere where he could study the changelogs at his leisure.

      It's his country that's done the censorship.

    2. The DMCA has already made the full disclosure way he and everyone else who has the smallest clue about computer and information security knows to be effective illegal in the United States.

    If he wants to bitch about it, let him either write to his congressman to get the law repealed, or emigrate to some other country that doesn't have a DMCA-like law.

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  80. Cox has reason to be worried... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2
    Over the past thirty years, the US has completely destroyed its manufacturing base. About the only thing we do make anymore is information. Just think! Car designs are farmed out to people in far away lands. Marketing, we still do, but that's all information, too. Same with our culturally enlightening entertainment exports.

    What does this have to do with Alan Cox? Everything...

    The powers that be in the information sector know that the loss of IP rights would completely destroy the information economy and, as such, the US economy. They cannot let go of these laws. They need them to ensure the survivability of the US economy into the next century. This is why the DMCA will be defended at every turn. This is why any act of "civil disobediece' will be punished. And if it is a foreign citizen that needs to be punished (like Dimitri or Alan) so much the better. The only people who will be crying to defend these "evil hackers" would be a bunch of ineffective nerds who can't even figure out they need to support the mainstream political parties to get their voices heard and who go away after a news article disappears from Slashdot's front page.

    So, no. I don't think that Alan is being paranoid or just making a point. What I think is that the Slashdot audience really doesn't understand the extent to which the US economy is supported by IP law and the extent to which our government will go to see those laws protected and extended.

    So go ahead. The changelogs are out there. Go ahead and host them yourselves. That is if you're not afraid to. Oh? Got to stay in and watch that Seinfeld rerun, huh? Thought so...

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  81. Yeah, that attitude sure helped Dmitri... by Bake · · Score: 1

    Alan, if you're reading, remember that you're in the UK, not the US, and don't pander to their damn silly DMCA "law" either as a joke or semi-seriously

  82. Re:You are making it too complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it amazes me that the irony of mr. cox's simple act is lost on you.

    i'll explain it this way...

    let's say that country A has a law which prohibits you from making documentation available that details how a car door lock can be opened without a key.
    now let's say country B has no such law.

    citizen of country B is an expert on the mechanics of car door locks, and creates documentation detailing how car door locks for a very popular model of automobile can be opened without a key.

    citizen of country B chooses not to make this documentation available to citizens of country A for fear of being prosecuted should he ever choose to travel to country A.

    citizen of country A happens to be an owner of this model of automobile and is outraged that the expert, a citizen of country B, will not make this documentation available to him.

    now, at the present time citizen of country A has many options available to him.

    he can foam at the mouth, screaming bloody murder, because the expert will not give him what he, a citizen of the most free country in the world, wants (gasp!)

    he can reflect on the greater implications involved in the experts' stance, and ask himself, 'why will this expert not give me this documentation'?

    there a slew of other options citizen of country A has...
    including but not limited to.

    writing to the people who create the laws of country A and demand that this stupid, corporate-pandering law be removed.

    breaking the law as a sign of defiance against the stupidity of it.

    etc... et. al

    anyway, let me know if you need more clarification on the above points.
    thanks.

  83. give me a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cvs diff > change.log

    who the hell needs a changelog anyway?

  84. The way to challenge law is to be charged by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mr Cox is fully within his rights to not publish for fear of prosecution. It has been expressed that it was done as a protest, showing to what ridiculous limits the law can be taken. That is political protest. And I think, rather useless.

    There are two ways to challenge a law. Political or judicial. Judicial challenge requires a person to be charged with an offense under the law, then argue before a judge the reasons why the law is unconstitutional. The judge can then declare the law invalid if he agrees with you. Unfortunately, it requires a large personal sacrifice, possibly jail time, expensive court costs, etc.

    I propose a strategy, with agreement required by all involved. All possible violations of the DCMA must generate a complaint, requiring the FBI to enforce the law. The more cases, the more inane, the better. When brought before judges, they will see the danger of the law, rule against it, and build a jurisprudence against the law. Eventually the law will become defined very narrowly, or judged unconstitutional in it's entirety.

    There are many instances of very bad laws being overturned by individuals forcing the authorities to prosecute, then judges throwing the cases out.

    Derek

  85. I think Alan should use ROT26 for Changelog by loopkin · · Score: 1

    This is the smartest solution:
    Alan discloses the Changelog with ROT26 encryption, and therefore he is himself covered by DMCA.. don't u think so ?

  86. If DMCA bother Alan, he must censor kernel source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Alan Cox thinks that the DMCA makes it illegal to publish the ChangeLog mentioning the vulnerabilities, then he also should realize that publishing the source to fix the vulnerabilities would be illegal as well. Think about it -- the ChangeLog provides hints, perhaps, but the patch from one revision to another provides crackers with detailed instructions on what must occur to exploit the vulnerability. If he were to apply his logic properly, he could only release full kernel binaries without the source to avoid DMCA violations.

  87. I disagree with Cox because...... by MZoom · · Score: 1

    First and foremost I respect and admire the work Mr. Cox does. And just as I am allowed to respect and admire his work I freely choose to disagree with his overt political opinions regarding the changelogs and the withholding of them from US citizens based on a law he is interpreting to include those changelogs.

    Secondly I admit I am not an expert on the DMCA but from what I have read and studied so far his camparison of publishing changelogs -vs- circumvention devices/reverse engineering of document protection is the equivalent to comparing apples -vs- oranges.

    In the Skylarov case for example,Mr. Skylarov wrote code to circumvent Adobes ebook encryption scheme.. correct? Then Adobe complained to authorities prompting an investigation and subsequently withdrew its complaint. After investigating it was determined by the FBI that he (Skylarov) violated US law by writing and distributing a "crack", code to circumvent Adobes encryption scheme so that people would not have to purchase content in Adobe ebook format. With his "crack" one could gain the content without paying for it. Whether or not you agree with proprietary formats or not, "stealing" it by way of circumvention is still petty theft in my opinion.

    Back to how Cox fits in... Why would Mr. Cox fear his publishing of changelogs would be in violation? I have yet to see on Slashdot or his diary pages or from the main pages at that website a detailed explanation of exactly WHY he feels he needed to do this.

    And if I am right it would take a whole lot more than simply publishing the changelogs to violate the DMCA. Correct me if I am wrong, but please show me proof (from sources that are legitamate). Would "NOT" publishing the changelogs feed into the premise that the DMCA is legitamite? Wouldn't the owner of the code have to actually submit a complaint to the authorities to be charged with a violation of the DMCA, similar to what Adobe did to Mr. Skylarov? BTW, since the linux kernel is open source and licensed under the GPL doesn't that in effect offer protection against a DMCA violation for publishing changelogs? I mean does Mr. Cox think Linus or someone else is going to complain to the FBI that he has somehow violated the DMCA by publishing changes he made to the Linux kernel? Why does he NOT worry about the changes to the kernel itself then? The kernel is obviously published all over the world includeing the US and it has his changes in it already doesn't it? That kinda seems oxymoronic in my opinion.

    Lastly, the irony is that I have read some comments in this artice and on a previous Slashdot article that suggest the US laws are squashing freedom and the US government is oppressing its people, while Mr. Cox nor anyone else has mentioned anything about the UK's own RIP (Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act of 2000) from the Crown itself, which is a quite scary peice of legislation and comparable to the DMCA only it has a broader, less defined scope about it. Some links on the RIP are here: World Socialist Website , SiliconValley.com , ZDNet , The Register.

    In summary, withholding changelogs sounds like just a little more "America bashing". While I typically choose not to be anti-anyone else my feelings of patriotism are quite high due to recent events in America. My personal view of a non-US citizen withholding information from US citizens/developers is counter productive in repealing the DMCA. Should he feel so strongly about the DMCA then I would invite him to become a US citizen and VOTE to repeal this ignorant law instead of bitching about it from some other place in the world that has its own share of ignorant laws and regulations. Yes, do something...anything but legitimizing the DMCA by withholding changelogs!

    Zoom

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