I guess it would depend on whether they could be easily identified or not. I could see a couple of scenarios.
One the terrorists makes like he is going to the bathroom and when beside the marshall takes out a knife and stabs him in the neck. It happens quickly and efficiently (because they practiced it many times). Then the terrorist takes their gun and it's over.
two. Terrorist number on starts raising a commotion, the marshal reacts and terrorists two, three, and four tackle him from the back and take his gun or kill him with a knife.
It may be a good idea but I don't think it's foolproof.
Wouldn't the terrorists be armed too? So you have an ariplane full of armed people. The terrorists knowing that there is going to be a fight bring aboard uzies or altered weapons (perhaps sawed off shotguns). Of course they all pass without notice because in your world all this is OK. Once the hijacking starts a few people in airplane whip out their guns and a firefight begins. Lots of people are killed and the airplane is full of holes. Nice!
Finaly some truth. I understand why you posted anonymously but what you say is actually true. Too bad the truth hurts so much.
In fact there seems to some evidence that Bin LAden was actually recruied by the Americans to raise money for the taliban during the russian invation there. Creepy.
There is a difference between being modded down and having bombs fall on your head or being rounded up into concentration camps or having your mosque burned to the ground becasue you live in texas and dared to be a muslim.
There is a difference between doing something and doing something that solves the problem. Right now america is going to do something. They are going to bomb afghanistan and try to kill bin laden, they are going to bomb "haven" nations like sudan, libya, algeria and whatnot. Too bad it won't actually accomlish anything. The survivors of those bombing raids are going to join up in the terrorists when they see their mothers, sisters, fathers etc dismembered with american bombs. People whose only crime in life was being born an arab. They will eventually migrate to europe and america where they will join existing cells or form their own cells nowing full well that bombs will never fall on berlin or miami. They will release chemical and biological agents and kill you, me and probably half of the country.
I am all for doing something but I am for doing the right thing, the smart thing, the effective thing. 10 million people is nothing. These terrorists can wipe out half the population of the world with one well placed biological agent. Think about that for a while.
There are a lot of things possible in this world but not what you said.
Here is one thing you haven't considered.
In order to fight this war G.W will have to make friends with arabs. He has already promised Pakistan a bunch of things and is working on iran (as shiites they already have a distrust of sunnis like bin laden). If the level of cooperation between arab nations and the US increases and Other non arab but muslim countries like Turkey gain more prominance on the US radar what is Israel goint to think? You think they will sit idly by and listen to Arabs talk to G.W? You think they won't object to US military presense in syria or iran?
Anyways. Right now they are fearful but not of terrorists. They are fearful of tactical nukes falling in their capitals (which over 70% of americans are calling for).
You should only be as dedicated to your company as your company is dedicated to you. It's a business deal not a marriage. You can be sure that as soon as things got hard you'd be on your ass.
AOL should chage their agent string. If nothing else they can overnight recude the market share of IE browsers and the statistics would be used to advertise the popularity of AOL. It would be an excellant marketing opportunity.
As for the standards I meant the HTML standard, the DOM standard, the javascript standard. Stick to those and let the chips fall where they may.
No it would not. You'd just have to accomodate one more browser. There are enough people on AOL to make a difference so you'd do it. Either that or you'd just stick to the standards which you ought to be doing anyways.
Really I think it's a good thing for AOL. Doing something seemingly minor while dramatically effecting the MS share of the browser market. Also it would allow them to change browsers easier too.
I once spent three days there trying to figure out how to penetrate a proxy server with VB. No luck at all. The fourth and fifth day I spent with deja news and found about six suggestions from various people. I implemented all six of them but none of them worked. It was a wasted week of my life.
The chances or this happening are low because the chances of IE implementing the same feature are zero. IE is designed to deliver advertising to windows users not to make your life easier. As long as the sheeple continue to use IE in massive numbers you can continue browsing without those annoying popups. Once again IE (and windows) is a kind of a stupidity tax.
You'd think they would at least alter the user agent so that MS does not get credit. Why not say AOL borwser 1.0 or something. It would act as an advertisement at least.
Actually there is something called internet c++ I haven't played around with it much but it sure looks interesting. Does anybody have any experience with it? It looks like a pretty good idea.
They were lying when they said they took away his fax machines.
They were lying when they said they knew where he was.
They were lying when they claimed that they had any conrol over him whatsoever.
They are liars and liars lie.
The idea that some man living in the remotest part of the world where most of the country does not have electricity let alone phones and internet co-ordinating some international terrorist organization is just absurd. Just think a few minutes willya.
No you missed the point entirely.
Here I'll try and explain to you again.
you don't believe tha taliban when they told you that they took away his phones right? Why is that? Probably because the taliban are liars right? Ok then here comes the hard part.
If they are lying about taking away his fax machines why do you believe them when they say they know where he is or that they have any influence on him whatsoever?
You see they are liars. You can't believe anything they say. Do you get it? I hope I didn't tax you too much there sport go back to your regularly scheduled programming now.
"When one talks about "Afghanistan is responsible", one is referring to the current leadership controlling the country."
But you will not kill those actually responsible you will kill civilians. That is the pattern of US agression for the last hundred years. Why do you think these people are so mad at you?
"Yes, and we punished thousands of innocent Germans who didn't necessarily support Hitler, but who got caught up in the war."
Apparently you are under the impression that this is some sort a war that you can fight and win. Apparently you think that if you just killed bin laden and ten thousand innocent afghans the terrorism will just stop. That's great keep buying into that delusion as long as you can because it will justify in your mind the rightness of bombing city after city full of people who did nothing to harm you.
Perhaps you should think about it this way.
Our forefathers defeated the british even though the british were better armed and better trained. They did this by fighting guerilla style something the brits didn't see coming. This next war you just entered is just like that except that we are the british. We will go off to war with our superior airplanes and guns, we will annihilate entire cities and kill hundreds of thousands of people but it will be all for moot. First of all it will not satisfy our bloodlust because bloodlust is never satisfied but also because one day you will lift your head up and look into the mirror to find what kind of a monster you turned into.
Worse then that while you are off someplace having fun killing the dark people someone will release a biological agent in some airport and kill half of the population of the united states. Unless you make a commitment to destroy the lives of every single arab, north korean, chinese, russian, and south american then your nightmare scenario will come true. All those people that we screwed over for years and subjected to dictators of our choosing have grudge and that grudge will not be solved by killing more of them.
You still haven't told me how you planned to deal with dark skinned people living here in the US or in Canada or Europe yet? How do plan on killing them? Will you round them up and send them into the ovens or are you willing to risk lives of white people by bombing vancouver?
Maybe just maybe you ought to consider that. Maybe you ought to ask yourself "How come these people hate us so much"? I'll give you a clue. Their loved ones were killed and tortured because of your tax dollars.
"I'm sorry that innocents are going to get caught up in this, but sacrifice for a greater good is necessary."
Oh how ironic. I bet they said the exact same thing. But neither you nor bin laden care a flying fuck about innocents. You didn't care when bombs were falling in iraq, you didn't care when they were falling on palestenian children, you didn't care when the taliban were beheading women and children and you don't care now. You only care about your sense of vengence which is coincedentally the exact same thing the bin laden cares about.
"I believe that freedom and liberty are worth fighting for."
If we were actually fighting for liberty and freedom then nobody would want to harm us. We never fight for liberty or freedom. We fight to make ourselves richer, we fight for cheaper oil, we fight to keep our chosen dictators in place, and we fight to keep regions unstable and easily controlled. Along the way we fund, arm and train monsters like Idi Amin, Pinochet, Bin Laded, and sharon. Those people institute nations based on torture and murder to serve our needs. Liberty and freedom my ass why don't you pick up a history book for a change. Try this one first.
"As a wise man once said, to make an omelette, you have to break some eggs."
Well let's hope that's not you or someone you know (although it would be an ironic form of justice).
Bin Laded suposedly moves three times a week (according some news report I saw). And according to your link he has no means of communicating with the outside world. Odd how some peripatetic (look it up), blind, deaf organization is able to coordinate such sophisticated and intricately organized terrorist attacks.
BTW you really think CNN is unbiased and that the US govt has no influence on American media? Whatever happened to all those republicans who kept refering to CNN as the Clinton News Network and refused to believe anything heard on CNN. We live in an odd country don't we.
Afghanistan is a country. It is not "responsible" like a human being would. In your rush to punish a country you will kill thousands of actual real live people who had nothing to do with bin laden, WTC, or America. The same people who are suffering horribly under the rule of the taliban govt (which BTW was funded and trained by american tax dollars if you do some research you will find out that bin laden was most likely recurited by the US govt to aid in the fight against russia there).
Now if you are willing to kill innocent civilians in order to punish a country and to make a political statement you are absolutely no better then the terrorists you are trying to fight.
More then whatever damage the terrorists did they made you into the same vile creatures they are. They caused you to throw away all of your core values and embrace death. They won this war before it even started.
Well the entire nature of warfare has changed in the last couple of hundred years. I don't think you can compare the world of 1940 to the present time.
Along with that our war cycle has reduced to four to eight years (if not shorter). In the clinton administration we deployed troops to bosnia, haiti, somalia and probably a few other places I have forgotten. We also have bombed iraq on a almost daily basis. I suspect that Bush will pretty much have a continuing war for the next four years (I really don't think he will get re-elected). He will probably have non stop deployment of troops someplace or another and will bomb some country or another for four years. I heard Colin Powell speak today and he indicated that he was going to go after countries that had nothing to with WTC after he got bin laden. He specifically mentioned iran and iraq although I suspect libya, algeria, lebanon, syria and morrocco are also on his list (he will probably leave the palestenians to israel they seem to do a good job killing them). That's a lot of countries to bomb and lots of people to kill. A big to do list and only three and a half years to go.
There is no such thing as "harboring" it's a meaningless term. Sure bin laden lives in afghanistan but it's a big country with huge tracts of rugged mountains where bin laden lives. You think anybody could just walk up to him and arrest him? Of course not. Nevertheless kabul will be bombed and all those people who had nothing to do with anything will die. I guess it will make you feel better though and that's the real important thing.
" without much fight. All the right words will be said for fear and fright'
And if they do they won. They not only stopped all air traffic for a couple a days, closed wall street for a week, and cost billions of dollars they also just made America a less free nation. That ws probably their goal more then anything else.
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I guess it would depend on whether they could be easily identified or not. I could see a couple of scenarios.
One the terrorists makes like he is going to the bathroom and when beside the marshall takes out a knife and stabs him in the neck. It happens quickly and efficiently (because they practiced it many times). Then the terrorist takes their gun and it's over.
two. Terrorist number on starts raising a commotion, the marshal reacts and terrorists two, three, and four tackle him from the back and take his gun or kill him with a knife.
It may be a good idea but I don't think it's foolproof.
Wouldn't the terrorists be armed too? So you have an ariplane full of armed people. The terrorists knowing that there is going to be a fight bring aboard uzies or altered weapons (perhaps sawed off shotguns). Of course they all pass without notice because in your world all this is OK. Once the hijacking starts a few people in airplane whip out their guns and a firefight begins. Lots of people are killed and the airplane is full of holes. Nice!
Finaly some truth. I understand why you posted anonymously but what you say is actually true. Too bad the truth hurts so much.
In fact there seems to some evidence that Bin LAden was actually recruied by the Americans to raise money for the taliban during the russian invation there. Creepy.
There is a difference between being modded down and having bombs fall on your head or being rounded up into concentration camps or having your mosque burned to the ground becasue you live in texas and dared to be a muslim.
There is a difference between doing something and doing something that solves the problem. Right now america is going to do something. They are going to bomb afghanistan and try to kill bin laden, they are going to bomb "haven" nations like sudan, libya, algeria and whatnot. Too bad it won't actually accomlish anything. The survivors of those bombing raids are going to join up in the terrorists when they see their mothers, sisters, fathers etc dismembered with american bombs. People whose only crime in life was being born an arab. They will eventually migrate to europe and america where they will join existing cells or form their own cells nowing full well that bombs will never fall on berlin or miami. They will release chemical and biological agents and kill you, me and probably half of the country.
I am all for doing something but I am for doing the right thing, the smart thing, the effective thing. 10 million people is nothing. These terrorists can wipe out half the population of the world with one well placed biological agent. Think about that for a while.
There are a lot of things possible in this world but not what you said.
Here is one thing you haven't considered.
In order to fight this war G.W will have to make friends with arabs. He has already promised Pakistan a bunch of things and is working on iran (as shiites they already have a distrust of sunnis like bin laden). If the level of cooperation between arab nations and the US increases and Other non arab but muslim countries like Turkey gain more prominance on the US radar what is Israel goint to think? You think they will sit idly by and listen to Arabs talk to G.W? You think they won't object to US military presense in syria or iran?
Anyways. Right now they are fearful but not of terrorists. They are fearful of tactical nukes falling in their capitals (which over 70% of americans are calling for).
You should only be as dedicated to your company as your company is dedicated to you. It's a business deal not a marriage. You can be sure that as soon as things got hard you'd be on your ass.
Once again.
AOL should chage their agent string. If nothing else they can overnight recude the market share of IE browsers and the statistics would be used to advertise the popularity of AOL. It would be an excellant marketing opportunity.
As for the standards I meant the HTML standard, the DOM standard, the javascript standard. Stick to those and let the chips fall where they may.
Believe it or not I actually switched to debian because of the text based maintenance. Go figure.
No it would not. You'd just have to accomodate one more browser. There are enough people on AOL to make a difference so you'd do it. Either that or you'd just stick to the standards which you ought to be doing anyways.
Really I think it's a good thing for AOL. Doing something seemingly minor while dramatically effecting the MS share of the browser market. Also it would allow them to change browsers easier too.
I once spent three days there trying to figure out how to penetrate a proxy server with VB. No luck at all. The fourth and fifth day I spent with deja news and found about six suggestions from various people. I implemented all six of them but none of them worked. It was a wasted week of my life.
People who buy support services don't compile their own apps and certainly don't compile their own kernels.
The chances or this happening are low because the chances of IE implementing the same feature are zero. IE is designed to deliver advertising to windows users not to make your life easier. As long as the sheeple continue to use IE in massive numbers you can continue browsing without those annoying popups. Once again IE (and windows) is a kind of a stupidity tax.
You'd think they would at least alter the user agent so that MS does not get credit. Why not say AOL borwser 1.0 or something. It would act as an advertisement at least.
Sorry my bad. Same thing
You bring up an intersting point. How fast is objective C and why aren't more people using it?
Actually there is something called internet c++ I haven't played around with it much but it sure looks interesting. Does anybody have any experience with it? It looks like a pretty good idea.
They are liars do you understand that?
They were lying when they said they took away his fax machines.
They were lying when they said they knew where he was.
They were lying when they claimed that they had any conrol over him whatsoever.
They are liars and liars lie.
The idea that some man living in the remotest part of the world where most of the country does not have electricity let alone phones and internet co-ordinating some international terrorist organization is just absurd. Just think a few minutes willya.
No you missed the point entirely.
Here I'll try and explain to you again.
you don't believe tha taliban when they told you that they took away his phones right? Why is that? Probably because the taliban are liars right? Ok then here comes the hard part.
If they are lying about taking away his fax machines why do you believe them when they say they know where he is or that they have any influence on him whatsoever?
You see they are liars. You can't believe anything they say. Do you get it? I hope I didn't tax you too much there sport go back to your regularly scheduled programming now.
"When one talks about "Afghanistan is responsible", one is referring to the current leadership controlling the country."
But you will not kill those actually responsible you will kill civilians. That is the pattern of US agression for the last hundred years. Why do you think these people are so mad at you?
"Yes, and we punished thousands of innocent Germans who didn't necessarily support Hitler, but who got caught up in the war."
Apparently you are under the impression that this is some sort a war that you can fight and win. Apparently you think that if you just killed bin laden and ten thousand innocent afghans the terrorism will just stop. That's great keep buying into that delusion as long as you can because it will justify in your mind the rightness of bombing city after city full of people who did nothing to harm you.
Perhaps you should think about it this way.
Our forefathers defeated the british even though the british were better armed and better trained. They did this by fighting guerilla style something the brits didn't see coming. This next war you just entered is just like that except that we are the british. We will go off to war with our superior airplanes and guns, we will annihilate entire cities and kill hundreds of thousands of people but it will be all for moot. First of all it will not satisfy our bloodlust because bloodlust is never satisfied but also because one day you will lift your head up and look into the mirror to find what kind of a monster you turned into.
Worse then that while you are off someplace having fun killing the dark people someone will release a biological agent in some airport and kill half of the population of the united states. Unless you make a commitment to destroy the lives of every single arab, north korean, chinese, russian, and south american then your nightmare scenario will come true. All those people that we screwed over for years and subjected to dictators of our choosing have grudge and that grudge will not be solved by killing more of them.
You still haven't told me how you planned to deal with dark skinned people living here in the US or in Canada or Europe yet? How do plan on killing them? Will you round them up and send them into the ovens or are you willing to risk lives of white people by bombing vancouver?
Maybe just maybe you ought to consider that. Maybe you ought to ask yourself "How come these people hate us so much"? I'll give you a clue. Their loved ones were killed and tortured because of your tax dollars.
"I'm sorry that innocents are going to get caught up in this, but sacrifice for a greater good is necessary."
Oh how ironic. I bet they said the exact same thing. But neither you nor bin laden care a flying fuck about innocents. You didn't care when bombs were falling in iraq, you didn't care when they were falling on palestenian children, you didn't care when the taliban were beheading women and children and you don't care now. You only care about your sense of vengence which is coincedentally the exact same thing the bin laden cares about.
"I believe that freedom and liberty are worth fighting for."
If we were actually fighting for liberty and freedom then nobody would want to harm us. We never fight for liberty or freedom. We fight to make ourselves richer, we fight for cheaper oil, we fight to keep our chosen dictators in place, and we fight to keep regions unstable and easily controlled. Along the way we fund, arm and train monsters like Idi Amin, Pinochet, Bin Laded, and sharon. Those people institute nations based on torture and murder to serve our needs. Liberty and freedom my ass why don't you pick up a history book for a change. Try this one first.
"As a wise man once said, to make an omelette, you have to break some eggs."
Well let's hope that's not you or someone you know (although it would be an ironic form of justice).
Bin Laded suposedly moves three times a week (according some news report I saw). And according to your link he has no means of communicating with the outside world. Odd how some peripatetic (look it up), blind, deaf organization is able to coordinate such sophisticated and intricately organized terrorist attacks.
BTW you really think CNN is unbiased and that the US govt has no influence on American media? Whatever happened to all those republicans who kept refering to CNN as the Clinton News Network and refused to believe anything heard on CNN. We live in an odd country don't we.
"You think Afghanistan is innocent here?"
Afghanistan is a country. It is not "responsible" like a human being would. In your rush to punish a country you will kill thousands of actual real live people who had nothing to do with bin laden, WTC, or America. The same people who are suffering horribly under the rule of the taliban govt (which BTW was funded and trained by american tax dollars if you do some research you will find out that bin laden was most likely recurited by the US govt to aid in the fight against russia there).
Now if you are willing to kill innocent civilians in order to punish a country and to make a political statement you are absolutely no better then the terrorists you are trying to fight.
More then whatever damage the terrorists did they made you into the same vile creatures they are. They caused you to throw away all of your core values and embrace death. They won this war before it even started.
Well the entire nature of warfare has changed in the last couple of hundred years. I don't think you can compare the world of 1940 to the present time.
Along with that our war cycle has reduced to four to eight years (if not shorter). In the clinton administration we deployed troops to bosnia, haiti, somalia and probably a few other places I have forgotten. We also have bombed iraq on a almost daily basis. I suspect that Bush will pretty much have a continuing war for the next four years (I really don't think he will get re-elected). He will probably have non stop deployment of troops someplace or another and will bomb some country or another for four years. I heard Colin Powell speak today and he indicated that he was going to go after countries that had nothing to with WTC after he got bin laden. He specifically mentioned iran and iraq although I suspect libya, algeria, lebanon, syria and morrocco are also on his list (he will probably leave the palestenians to israel they seem to do a good job killing them). That's a lot of countries to bomb and lots of people to kill. A big to do list and only three and a half years to go.
There is no such thing as "harboring" it's a meaningless term. Sure bin laden lives in afghanistan but it's a big country with huge tracts of rugged mountains where bin laden lives. You think anybody could just walk up to him and arrest him? Of course not. Nevertheless kabul will be bombed and all those people who had nothing to do with anything will die. I guess it will make you feel better though and that's the real important thing.
" without much fight. All the right words will be said for fear and fright'
And if they do they won. They not only stopped all air traffic for a couple a days, closed wall street for a week, and cost billions of dollars they also just made America a less free nation. That ws probably their goal more then anything else.