If your employees are that dumb (I don't doubt it) then you'll have to retrain them for XP anyways. In fact once the.NET hits you'll have to reatrain your entire company on how to use rented software. Most companies I know regulary send their employees to training sessions. I really don't see why they couln't adopt to openoffice or Koffice or whatnot.
Really if your employees are that stupid get macs for them. Save yourself millions just on helpdesk calls.
I save them and show them to high school students who are deciding what to learn. "Linux professionals get better pay then Ms professionals" It makes great advertising.
I collect posts like this and show them to high school students who are asking me what to learn. I tell them "see linux programmers and sysadmins get more money then windows programmers and admins" I have whole bunch of these types of statements from the top brass at MS. "See even Bill Gates admits linux professionals get paid more".
Please post more things like this. Next time don't post anonymously and provide a link it's much better for me that way.
I think kylix is pretty damned hot. It's way more productive then VB. As a bonus you can run your apps through X terms.
If MS is not lying about.NET (yea right!) then you should have nothing to worry about..NET will allow you to build apps in anly naguage which will run on both windows and linux. If MS is lying about that then you have tools like perl or python which are very productive and wxwindows which is very cross platform.
It may be true that you have a staff full of VB developers but remember you are going to have to teach them VB.NET. VB.NET is so different then VB that they may as well learn another language like object pascal (which ironically will seem more natural to them then.NET).
Software distibution is much harder to with windows then unix. This is mainly due to two factors. One unix has been doing it for twenty years now and it has a wealth of proven and tested tools. Two is that primary assumption of windows is that there is only one user and that person owns the computer. The primary assumption of unix is that there are many users and root owns the computer. This simple premise makes upgrading and maintaining remote windows machines awfully difficult especially considering the fact that a typical windows app spews files in all kinds of unpredictable directories and the fact that registries have to be kept in sync.
Overall tools such as rsync, httpsync, cvsup, cfengine, nsh, ssh, perl etc are so great that a single sysadmin can manage a widespread network if trained well enough.
As far as retraining goes well every major upgrade of windows is sufficiently different enough to retrain your employees anyway. Besides if you can port your app then you are 90% there anyways.
I don't think he was talking about large corporations (they are too conservative), I think he meant small to medium sized companies who can not afford the lawyers to fight MS.
When asked to justify why you want to donwload copyrighted works from napster you should use the exact same excuse all big corporations use when faced with similar questions. Simply say "because it costs too much to comply with the law".
When big business wants to pollute they say "it costs too much to clean up our emissions" and get Dubya to back off of the clean air laws.
When business does nto want to provide a safe environment for their emplyees they say "it costs too much" to actually buy egnomic keyboards or chairs for their emplyees and gets Dubya to turn back OSHA standards.
When big business does not like an increase in minimum wage they say "it costs too much" to pay people a living wage and get politicians to vote against it.
Please let you politician know that "it costs too much" to pay for every single song you want to listen to they seem to be in a mood to listen.
Well I travel internationally quite a bit and I gotta say pretty much every place people live the same. Get up, go to work, work all day, come home, eat something, veg out in front of whatever passes for local entertainment. Overall most people are pretty happy in most places.
Americans are some of the most unhappy people on the planet because they have no community and are basically lonely most of the time (especially as they get older). After hitting middle age most americans limit their circle of friends to a handful and at retirement they are probably living as far away from everybody as they can afford to get.
You may feel blessed (and good for you!) but overall Americans suffer from the highest rates of chronic disease, mental anguish, violence, fear and paranoia anywhere in the world.
There is a reason for the lynchings, school shootings, etc and nobody has the guts to look into what the real causes may be. Maybe it's the rate of poisons we feed ourselves, maybe it's the arsenic in the water, maybe it's the pollutants in our air, maybe it's the fact that christianity is diametrically opposed to capitalism which sets up a coginitive dissonance strong enough to stun an ox (would jesus drive a BMW?).
I don't know where you get the idea that most of the world can't drive their cars or that most of the world would be killed for expressing their opinions but you are dead wrong. Only a minory of the people in this planet live under that degree of opression. People drive their cars all over this planet and most of them don't stop at traffic signals or obey speed limits either. I would recommend getting stuck in traffic in istanbul, or jogjakarta one day and you'll agree all gods children got cars they all drive them like idiots.
Once again. How much is that property worth if BE goes under? A failed OS which could not make it's company sufficient money to keep alive is worth next to nothing especially since there are no significant apps written for it. Once Be fails that property is worthless. Six months after BE fails you will have to pay people to take it away. Remember it's going to actually cost money to keep developing it and whoever buys it is going to lose money on it too.
BEOS is worth nothing. You either throw it away or give it away but I doubt very much you are going to find anybody who pays anything for it. I suppose somebody might offer a buck or two on the off chance that they could do something with it but I find it unlikely.
MS did rescue apple. It was more then just money it was also a publicly made commitment to apple. Bill Gates announced to the entire world that MS was ready back Apple. This came at a time when apple was struggling and would have eaten through whatever cash reserves it had in a hurry as it was bleeding money.
MS at this point could have simply said "not enough market share" and pulled the plug on office for the mac and killed apple in one fell swoop bit it did not. It needed to maintain the illusion of competition and did it by making apple it's puppet competition. MS propped up apple when it was going to fall there is no two ways about it.
Bill Gates may not be the antichrist but he is unethical. Certainly more unethical you or me or a billion or two other people on this planet. It's OK to judge people by their actions.
Man can I have whatever drug you are taking.
MS is a corporation it's driven by greed and an imperitive to make money. Aside from that they are the one of the most unethical companies on the planet.
They stole code from stack and got sued and lost.
They stole from apple and got sued and settled.
They stole code and emplyees from borland and settled.
They stole from corel and settled.
Your ethical compass is way out of whack if you look at MS as being an example of how to run an ethical business.
Wow do you really believe that crap?
Ronald Reagan regularly confused reality with movies, he fell asleep during an audience with the pope!. The man alhzeimers disease!
Thats a crock of shit. I watch my cat do that with grasshoppers too. When the mouse gets tired and just stays still for too long the cat will actually start prodding it so it can try to run away and then pounces on it and brings it back to the center of the room. If it wanted to it could kill it with just a swipe of the hand (we are talking pretty small mice here not rats).
What does socialism have to with open source? You are confusing software developement with a political party which has extremely tiny percentage of the population.
Corporations are not made out of people they are soul-less beings. People work for corporations and when the corporations fail they work for some other corporation. People are "human resources" or "efficiency units" to corporations. They are kept around only as long as they serve some use to it. They get routinely canned at the whim of the corporation. People are nothing more the oxen which drives the corporate cart.
I was wise enough not to have any money invested in BE so I did not lose a penny. I don't even feel sorry for the shareholders who got screwed it was their stupidity that got them into trouble.
It has nothing to do with socialism. Capitalism is every man for himself. The corporation cares for nothing except making money and it should be the same with you. You should feel exactly the same loyalty towards a corporation as that corporation feels towards you. Same goes for respect.
I might give some change to a beggar on the street because he is human and has a soul but I would walk past a dying corporation without a glance.
Man I don't know where to start. First of all the "synergies markeetroid speak is all bullshit. Red-Hat needs to start showing profit NOW. Buying a company which can't turn a profit is just plain dumb. Especially considering that they make no software for it. If like you say you can't get your work done using linux how the hell are you going to get you work done using BE? NOBODY and I mean NOBODY can break the stranglehold that MS has on the desktop. Doing that is going to take years of erosion and innovation. If BE was able to penetrate the corporate market they would have by now. Apple can't do it, AMD can't do it, Micron can't do it what makes you think redhat can do it with BE. It's amazing that Red hat has broken into the corporate space which is notoriously conservative to have them risk what little penetration they have with a useless OS like BE is just silly. Remember that redhat bought cygnus and already has made inroads into the embedded space they really don't need BE.
As for oracle. Oracle makes money on three things. Database licenses, enterprise software, and consulting/service. They have zero desktop software and buying an operating system which has no apps for it just makes no sense. Maybe Ellison himself can buy it because he is interested in this type of thing and he has the money but Oracle shareholders wouldn't stand for this kind of waste of money.
My guess is that nobody will buy BE. Maybe some of the companies that make BE software can pool their money and attempt to keep the OS alive but I wouldn't bet on it. If anybody does buy it it will be for purely for play not to base a business on it. Unfortunately it looks like it also can not be released open source so it will go on the scapheap of really intresting software that could not make it in face of the MS juggernaut.
Because Microsoft owns the desktop market. Apple has to get out of that ghetto and enter into server space where no one has a monopoly. If apple stayed in the desktop markey it would be fighting for crumbs. MacOSX gives them at least something that can act as a server.
It wasn't oracle or sony it was Microsoft. When Apple was desparate MS poured money into it to keep it alive (see we have competition really we do). It also attempted to the same with Corel (see we also have competition in office software too!). Maybe MS will dump a bunch money into BE just to keep them alive.
My cat catches mice and continually lets them go and catch them again basically torturing them to death and then eats them, maybe MS enjoys playing similar games with other corps.
Respect for a coproation? Give me a break. It's just another coporation and a failed one at that. One out of three businesses fail and no human being should shed even a single tear when one folds. Corps come and go they have no souls they deserve no respect or pity. I don't cry when my toaster breaks I go get another one why should I treat a corporation any differently.
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If your employees are that dumb (I don't doubt it) then you'll have to retrain them for XP anyways. In fact once the .NET hits you'll have to reatrain your entire company on how to use rented software. Most companies I know regulary send their employees to training sessions. I really don't see why they couln't adopt to openoffice or Koffice or whatnot.
Really if your employees are that stupid get macs for them. Save yourself millions just on helpdesk calls.
I love posts like this!.
I save them and show them to high school students who are deciding what to learn. "Linux professionals get better pay then Ms professionals" It makes great advertising.
Thank you very much.
I collect posts like this and show them to high school students who are asking me what to learn. I tell them "see linux programmers and sysadmins get more money then windows programmers and admins" I have whole bunch of these types of statements from the top brass at MS. "See even Bill Gates admits linux professionals get paid more".
Please post more things like this. Next time don't post anonymously and provide a link it's much better for me that way.
Thank you so much!
I think kylix is pretty damned hot. It's way more productive then VB. As a bonus you can run your apps through X terms.
.NET (yea right!) then you should have nothing to worry about. .NET will allow you to build apps in anly naguage which will run on both windows and linux. If MS is lying about that then you have tools like perl or python which are very productive and wxwindows which is very cross platform.
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If MS is not lying about
It may be true that you have a staff full of VB developers but remember you are going to have to teach them VB.NET. VB.NET is so different then VB that they may as well learn another language like object pascal (which ironically will seem more natural to them then
Software distibution is much harder to with windows then unix. This is mainly due to two factors. One unix has been doing it for twenty years now and it has a wealth of proven and tested tools. Two is that primary assumption of windows is that there is only one user and that person owns the computer. The primary assumption of unix is that there are many users and root owns the computer. This simple premise makes upgrading and maintaining remote windows machines awfully difficult especially considering the fact that a typical windows app spews files in all kinds of unpredictable directories and the fact that registries have to be kept in sync.
Overall tools such as rsync, httpsync, cvsup, cfengine, nsh, ssh, perl etc are so great that a single sysadmin can manage a widespread network if trained well enough.
As far as retraining goes well every major upgrade of windows is sufficiently different enough to retrain your employees anyway. Besides if you can port your app then you are 90% there anyways.
I don't think he was talking about large corporations (they are too conservative), I think he meant small to medium sized companies who can not afford the lawyers to fight MS.
Wow! According to your definition Jesus was the biggest communist in the world.
When asked to justify why you want to donwload copyrighted works from napster you should use the exact same excuse all big corporations use when faced with similar questions. Simply say "because it costs too much to comply with the law".
When big business wants to pollute they say "it costs too much to clean up our emissions" and get Dubya to back off of the clean air laws.
When business does nto want to provide a safe environment for their emplyees they say "it costs too much" to actually buy egnomic keyboards or chairs for their emplyees and gets Dubya to turn back OSHA standards.
When big business does not like an increase in minimum wage they say "it costs too much" to pay people a living wage and get politicians to vote against it.
Please let you politician know that "it costs too much" to pay for every single song you want to listen to they seem to be in a mood to listen.
So which one is right?
Well I travel internationally quite a bit and I gotta say pretty much every place people live the same. Get up, go to work, work all day, come home, eat something, veg out in front of whatever passes for local entertainment. Overall most people are pretty happy in most places.
Americans are some of the most unhappy people on the planet because they have no community and are basically lonely most of the time (especially as they get older). After hitting middle age most americans limit their circle of friends to a handful and at retirement they are probably living as far away from everybody as they can afford to get.
You may feel blessed (and good for you!) but overall Americans suffer from the highest rates of chronic disease, mental anguish, violence, fear and paranoia anywhere in the world.
There is a reason for the lynchings, school shootings, etc and nobody has the guts to look into what the real causes may be. Maybe it's the rate of poisons we feed ourselves, maybe it's the arsenic in the water, maybe it's the pollutants in our air, maybe it's the fact that christianity is diametrically opposed to capitalism which sets up a coginitive dissonance strong enough to stun an ox (would jesus drive a BMW?).
I don't know where you get the idea that most of the world can't drive their cars or that most of the world would be killed for expressing their opinions but you are dead wrong. Only a minory of the people in this planet live under that degree of opression. People drive their cars all over this planet and most of them don't stop at traffic signals or obey speed limits either. I would recommend getting stuck in traffic in istanbul, or jogjakarta one day and you'll agree all gods children got cars they all drive them like idiots.
Once again. How much is that property worth if BE goes under? A failed OS which could not make it's company sufficient money to keep alive is worth next to nothing especially since there are no significant apps written for it. Once Be fails that property is worthless. Six months after BE fails you will have to pay people to take it away. Remember it's going to actually cost money to keep developing it and whoever buys it is going to lose money on it too.
BEOS is worth nothing. You either throw it away or give it away but I doubt very much you are going to find anybody who pays anything for it. I suppose somebody might offer a buck or two on the off chance that they could do something with it but I find it unlikely.
MS did rescue apple. It was more then just money it was also a publicly made commitment to apple. Bill Gates announced to the entire world that MS was ready back Apple. This came at a time when apple was struggling and would have eaten through whatever cash reserves it had in a hurry as it was bleeding money.
MS at this point could have simply said "not enough market share" and pulled the plug on office for the mac and killed apple in one fell swoop bit it did not. It needed to maintain the illusion of competition and did it by making apple it's puppet competition. MS propped up apple when it was going to fall there is no two ways about it.
Bill Gates may not be the antichrist but he is unethical. Certainly more unethical you or me or a billion or two other people on this planet. It's OK to judge people by their actions.
Man can I have whatever drug you are taking.
MS is a corporation it's driven by greed and an imperitive to make money. Aside from that they are the one of the most unethical companies on the planet.
They stole code from stack and got sued and lost.
They stole from apple and got sued and settled.
They stole code and emplyees from borland and settled.
They stole from corel and settled.
Your ethical compass is way out of whack if you look at MS as being an example of how to run an ethical business.
Hey no fair injecting facts into his fantasy.
Wow do you really believe that crap?
Ronald Reagan regularly confused reality with movies, he fell asleep during an audience with the pope!. The man alhzeimers disease!
Thats a crock of shit. I watch my cat do that with grasshoppers too. When the mouse gets tired and just stays still for too long the cat will actually start prodding it so it can try to run away and then pounces on it and brings it back to the center of the room. If it wanted to it could kill it with just a swipe of the hand (we are talking pretty small mice here not rats).
What does socialism have to with open source? You are confusing software developement with a political party which has extremely tiny percentage of the population.
Corporations are not made out of people they are soul-less beings. People work for corporations and when the corporations fail they work for some other corporation. People are "human resources" or "efficiency units" to corporations. They are kept around only as long as they serve some use to it. They get routinely canned at the whim of the corporation. People are nothing more the oxen which drives the corporate cart.
I was wise enough not to have any money invested in BE so I did not lose a penny. I don't even feel sorry for the shareholders who got screwed it was their stupidity that got them into trouble.
It has nothing to do with socialism. Capitalism is every man for himself. The corporation cares for nothing except making money and it should be the same with you. You should feel exactly the same loyalty towards a corporation as that corporation feels towards you. Same goes for respect.
I might give some change to a beggar on the street because he is human and has a soul but I would walk past a dying corporation without a glance.
Man I don't know where to start. First of all the "synergies markeetroid speak is all bullshit. Red-Hat needs to start showing profit NOW. Buying a company which can't turn a profit is just plain dumb. Especially considering that they make no software for it. If like you say you can't get your work done using linux how the hell are you going to get you work done using BE? NOBODY and I mean NOBODY can break the stranglehold that MS has on the desktop. Doing that is going to take years of erosion and innovation. If BE was able to penetrate the corporate market they would have by now. Apple can't do it, AMD can't do it, Micron can't do it what makes you think redhat can do it with BE. It's amazing that Red hat has broken into the corporate space which is notoriously conservative to have them risk what little penetration they have with a useless OS like BE is just silly. Remember that redhat bought cygnus and already has made inroads into the embedded space they really don't need BE.
As for oracle. Oracle makes money on three things. Database licenses, enterprise software, and consulting/service. They have zero desktop software and buying an operating system which has no apps for it just makes no sense. Maybe Ellison himself can buy it because he is interested in this type of thing and he has the money but Oracle shareholders wouldn't stand for this kind of waste of money.
My guess is that nobody will buy BE. Maybe some of the companies that make BE software can pool their money and attempt to keep the OS alive but I wouldn't bet on it. If anybody does buy it it will be for purely for play not to base a business on it. Unfortunately it looks like it also can not be released open source so it will go on the scapheap of really intresting software that could not make it in face of the MS juggernaut.
Because Microsoft owns the desktop market. Apple has to get out of that ghetto and enter into server space where no one has a monopoly. If apple stayed in the desktop markey it would be fighting for crumbs. MacOSX gives them at least something that can act as a server.
It wasn't oracle or sony it was Microsoft. When Apple was desparate MS poured money into it to keep it alive (see we have competition really we do). It also attempted to the same with Corel (see we also have competition in office software too!). Maybe MS will dump a bunch money into BE just to keep them alive.
My cat catches mice and continually lets them go and catch them again basically torturing them to death and then eats them, maybe MS enjoys playing similar games with other corps.
How much is that property worth if BE goes under?
Respect for a coproation? Give me a break. It's just another coporation and a failed one at that. One out of three businesses fail and no human being should shed even a single tear when one folds. Corps come and go they have no souls they deserve no respect or pity. I don't cry when my toaster breaks I go get another one why should I treat a corporation any differently.
"Be has to make their customers happy."
What part of going out of business makes your customers happy. It seems like they were burning their bridges as they were spiraling into the abyss.
Just another corporation gone no big deal one of three businesses fail.
Oh yes that notepad really rocks!