I think the verdict on that is not in yet. Buying NEXT gave apple a multi user operating system which BE is not it also gave him some degree of application compatibilty and security which BE could not. Already you can run most BSD apps on MACOSX.
Overall the next platform is much more scalable then the be platform is and it has great dev tools too. Time will tell but I think it was a good move for apple.
The fact that it was a damn fine product is what makes it so sad when it will just disappear into never never land. I think people are wishing that somehow it could get another chance at staying around.
I really don't see how they could have made it in a world that is so dominated by MS but they gave it a go. The world needs people who tilt at windmills even if the windmill kills most of them.
What would Red-Hat do with be? What would Oracle do with it? Neither company sells desktop applications (notice I said sells). Is Oracle going to write some magical user application that only runs on BE? That's ridiculus and out of their core competency. Oracle has made a commitment to platform and OS independence. Oracle is probably the most platform independent software on this planet it even runs on netware.
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if oracle sucks then why should the hackers listen to them? If oracle didn't suck AND the hackers weren't listening to them then I can see your point but you seem to be contradicting yourself.
Unfortunately the people who claculate TCO are generally clueless accountants who have no idea what thing are really like. If you ask me the you should always add the cost of SMS and a whole slew of utilities to the cost of NT because you are going to need them to do stupid things like undelete files.
I highly doubt that even the most idiotic luser would accidently press the "SERVER" button instead of the "WORKSTATION" button. Even so more and distros are installing safer defaults. In fact I was recently at bust buy and noticed thad SUSE was actually selling two boxes one for workstation and one for server (the server costing a bit more).
Cultivate GM seeds from some farmers fields. Plant said seeds in competing farmers fields (make sure it's a larfe farm). Turn in the farm to monsanto, write letters to the editor about hos Monsanto is going to bankrupt farmers. Repeat until monstanto lawyers are too busy to sue anybody else. Voila a DOS attack on monsanto and a clever culture hack to align the farmers against Monsanto. If nothing else it would add one more fuse to the powderkeg known as the inland west.
Corporations are soul-less immortal beings. Read the bible sometime and see what ti says about soul-less immortal beings. Bill Gates summoned a being called micro-soft into existance by using arcane incantations with the help of high priests of law. One the being was materialized (became corporate) then it gathered people to serve it while the it was serving Bill Gates.
Like you said Microsoft and Bill gates are immoral, unethical and as such can be clasified as evil. Most soul-less immortal creatures are evil just as most corporate CEOS are assholes. It's just that both the being micro-soft and the being Bill Gates happen to be more unethical, more evil then all of them.
Most large corporations have at least one full time employee (more likey several) in charge of license compliance. Even then any one of your employees can bring a CD-ROM into your office and break your compliance. Let's say your company shelled out a million or two for the MS office, sql server, NT server and NT workstation licenses and someone brings Access to work from home then what happens? How do all your holograms or the site licence help? IT doesn't help at all. Your IT staff has to shell out another million dollars for SMS so they can do periodic inventory on your hard drive to make sure nobody brought expedia, works, or BOB from their home machine. And then IT has to dedicate some time to combing through the thousands of inventory reports to try and locate the rouge luser.
No matter how you slice it it sucks and it costs a bunch of money. Even if you did eveything right it still won't stop MS from coming and demanding an account which means every single one of your employees has to take a break from doing what they are paid to and do the bidding of MS.
A smart manager would simply tell MS "if you choose to go ahead with this action I will have no choice but to switch to Solaris servers running oracle and I will mandate star office on the desktop as a first step to migrating to linux". Ms will at that point apologize and give you three thousand free licenses.
The MS astro turfers are gettign desperate. You can all the GPLed code you want internally it kosher. If you distribute then the whoever receiveds the app can demend the code it up to the receiver to do the "audit".
"With proper document management and a little foresight, this wouldn't be an issue. Keep triplicate copies of everything, keep licenses,
contracts, and SLA agreements on file, yadda yadda. "
You are presuming that all this has no cost. It costs money to keep track of documents it costs money to prove you have the documents. For many companies this could add a several full time staff in and of itself.
I would guess that most slashdot users probably don't run wu-ftpd. Even if they do they probably subscribe the listserve which let's them know immediately when something is cracked. Unfortunately most lusers who use IE will never even know that this security hole exists and will never upgrade their IE thereby unleashing all kinds of meyhem on the internet which we will have deal with.
I know of no Linux user who runs server software like bind or proftpd who does not monitor their logs, subcribe to security listserves and is generally paranoid about being hacked. Recently when a vulnerability was anounced in proftpd (first one in a long time) I got email both from the proftpd folks and debian. I upgraded via apt withing minutes after I got the email (I sshed in from work) and I was safe.
Too bad less then 5% of IE users will ever take that kind of action.
"Well, considering your posting record, I'd have to say the only person brainwashed is yourself."
Apparently you have never spoken with an MS employee. MS is a religion not a company for them. Why else do you think they put in 70 hour weeks for less money it sure as hell aint stock options.
That seems to be the standard MS response. "See this great feature we advertised heavily, now please turn it off if you want your software to function properly".
Come on now BIND, wu-ftpd, and even sendmail get bashed regularly on slashdot (and rightfully so especially BIND). It's because of all the bashing that BIND9 was re-written from scratch.
Don't you remember the recent thread about BIND? Whenever a major security breach is discovered it gets covered on slashdot why should MS be immune?
Time will tell wheater the people running MS finally stopped worshipping the devil and found God but I don't think they did. MS has a vested interest in keeping their monopoly and will do anything and everything possible to sbotage other vendors especially the hated oracle and sun. People at MS are brainwashed daily with hatred for anybody who does not work there and the cult they built up is formidable. The the priests of this cult suddenly betray the cause they minions might revolt or at least bolt.
Notice the "extend" part. MS extends specs and leverages their monopoly to cripple competitors. Your comments are an excellant example of how MS does things. In both the HTML and kerberos the "embrace and extend" crippled competitors products.
MS gives lip service to interoperability but like everything else coming out of their mouths it's a big fat lie. People interested in interop would not hide their implementation spec.
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I think the verdict on that is not in yet. Buying NEXT gave apple a multi user operating system which BE is not it also gave him some degree of application compatibilty and security which BE could not. Already you can run most BSD apps on MACOSX.
Overall the next platform is much more scalable then the be platform is and it has great dev tools too. Time will tell but I think it was a good move for apple.
The fact that it was a damn fine product is what makes it so sad when it will just disappear into never never land. I think people are wishing that somehow it could get another chance at staying around.
I really don't see how they could have made it in a world that is so dominated by MS but they gave it a go. The world needs people who tilt at windmills even if the windmill kills most of them.
What would Red-Hat do with be? What would Oracle do with it? Neither company sells desktop applications (notice I said sells). Is Oracle going to write some magical user application that only runs on BE? That's ridiculus and out of their core competency. Oracle has made a commitment to platform and OS independence. Oracle is probably the most platform independent software on this planet it even runs on netware.
if oracle sucks then why should the hackers listen to them? If oracle didn't suck AND the hackers weren't listening to them then I can see your point but you seem to be contradicting yourself.
I myself hate modal dialog boxes.
Unfortunately the people who claculate TCO are generally clueless accountants who have no idea what thing are really like. If you ask me the you should always add the cost of SMS and a whole slew of utilities to the cost of NT because you are going to need them to do stupid things like undelete files.
I highly doubt that even the most idiotic luser would accidently press the "SERVER" button instead of the "WORKSTATION" button. Even so more and distros are installing safer defaults. In fact I was recently at bust buy and noticed thad SUSE was actually selling two boxes one for workstation and one for server (the server costing a bit more).
I believe that line belong to Bill Gates.
All it takes is one soldier or cop, one gun, one bullet.
Cultivate GM seeds from some farmers fields. Plant said seeds in competing farmers fields (make sure it's a larfe farm). Turn in the farm to monsanto, write letters to the editor about hos Monsanto is going to bankrupt farmers. Repeat until monstanto lawyers are too busy to sue anybody else. Voila a DOS attack on monsanto and a clever culture hack to align the farmers against Monsanto. If nothing else it would add one more fuse to the powderkeg known as the inland west.
I tried to follow your link but got a connection refused. Maybe they don't like mozilla?
Corporations are soul-less immortal beings. Read the bible sometime and see what ti says about soul-less immortal beings. Bill Gates summoned a being called micro-soft into existance by using arcane incantations with the help of high priests of law. One the being was materialized (became corporate) then it gathered people to serve it while the it was serving Bill Gates.
Like you said Microsoft and Bill gates are immoral, unethical and as such can be clasified as evil. Most soul-less immortal creatures are evil just as most corporate CEOS are assholes. It's just that both the being micro-soft and the being Bill Gates happen to be more unethical, more evil then all of them.
Most large corporations have at least one full time employee (more likey several) in charge of license compliance. Even then any one of your employees can bring a CD-ROM into your office and break your compliance. Let's say your company shelled out a million or two for the MS office, sql server, NT server and NT workstation licenses and someone brings Access to work from home then what happens? How do all your holograms or the site licence help? IT doesn't help at all. Your IT staff has to shell out another million dollars for SMS so they can do periodic inventory on your hard drive to make sure nobody brought expedia, works, or BOB from their home machine. And then IT has to dedicate some time to combing through the thousands of inventory reports to try and locate the rouge luser.
No matter how you slice it it sucks and it costs a bunch of money. Even if you did eveything right it still won't stop MS from coming and demanding an account which means every single one of your employees has to take a break from doing what they are paid to and do the bidding of MS.
A smart manager would simply tell MS "if you choose to go ahead with this action I will have no choice but to switch to Solaris servers running oracle and I will mandate star office on the desktop as a first step to migrating to linux". Ms will at that point apologize and give you three thousand free licenses.
The MS astro turfers are gettign desperate. You can all the GPLed code you want internally it kosher. If you distribute then the whoever receiveds the app can demend the code it up to the receiver to do the "audit".
"With proper document management and a little foresight, this wouldn't be an issue. Keep triplicate copies of everything, keep licenses,
contracts, and SLA agreements on file, yadda yadda. "
You are presuming that all this has no cost. It costs money to keep track of documents it costs money to prove you have the documents. For many companies this could add a several full time staff in and of itself.
I would guess that most slashdot users probably don't run wu-ftpd. Even if they do they probably subscribe the listserve which let's them know immediately when something is cracked. Unfortunately most lusers who use IE will never even know that this security hole exists and will never upgrade their IE thereby unleashing all kinds of meyhem on the internet which we will have deal with.
I know of no Linux user who runs server software like bind or proftpd who does not monitor their logs, subcribe to security listserves and is generally paranoid about being hacked. Recently when a vulnerability was anounced in proftpd (first one in a long time) I got email both from the proftpd folks and debian. I upgraded via apt withing minutes after I got the email (I sshed in from work) and I was safe.
Too bad less then 5% of IE users will ever take that kind of action.
"Well, considering your posting record, I'd have to say the only person brainwashed is yourself."
Apparently you have never spoken with an MS employee. MS is a religion not a company for them. Why else do you think they put in 70 hour weeks for less money it sure as hell aint stock options.
TDS as released by sybase is published. TDS as implemented by MS is not (and no they are not the same).
That seems to be the standard MS response. "See this great feature we advertised heavily, now please turn it off if you want your software to function properly".
Well that's not what they testified to in court. Are you suggesting that the top brass on MS committed perjury?
Come on now BIND, wu-ftpd, and even sendmail get bashed regularly on slashdot (and rightfully so especially BIND). It's because of all the bashing that BIND9 was re-written from scratch.
Don't you remember the recent thread about BIND? Whenever a major security breach is discovered it gets covered on slashdot why should MS be immune?
You my friend are truly stupid if you can't connect my post with my sig. Go ahead and think for a few second more.
Time will tell wheater the people running MS finally stopped worshipping the devil and found God but I don't think they did. MS has a vested interest in keeping their monopoly and will do anything and everything possible to sbotage other vendors especially the hated oracle and sun. People at MS are brainwashed daily with hatred for anybody who does not work there and the cult they built up is formidable. The the priests of this cult suddenly betray the cause they minions might revolt or at least bolt.
Notice the "extend" part. MS extends specs and leverages their monopoly to cripple competitors. Your comments are an excellant example of how MS does things. In both the HTML and kerberos the "embrace and extend" crippled competitors products.
MS gives lip service to interoperability but like everything else coming out of their mouths it's a big fat lie. People interested in interop would not hide their implementation spec.
Two wrong make a right?