"But, as a proponent of the GPL you have. You have told Gates that if he uses any of your code, he HAS to license his program (Windows) your way, or not sell it at all."
What is so wrong with that? All that does is discourage Bill Gates from using your hard work to better further his goals. Bill has a choice to use your code or not. If the cost of using your code is too high (relicensing windows) then he won't use it. This makes everybody happy. The coder is happy because Bill gates will not benefit from his code and Bill Gates can write his own code or use some BSD licensed code.
Honestly I don't see why this would offend anybody. You don't have to use GPLed code, nobody is forcing you to.
Communism is a political affliation. In the united states it has a very small following. Communism has nothing to do with writing code.
On another note. While red baiting was very popular in the forties and fifties we as a society have luckily gotten past bit of ugliness. No need to revert to the bad old times now.
"Oh well, I am just ranting b/c I have no life. Go linux, and stuff. (+3 "Go Linux") "
If you think this is tru then you have not been slashdot. For the past several months the highest rated comments have always been "Go Microft" posts. any post which touts the reliability of windows 2K or the quality of MS and Ms tools always get modded up +5. Go check for yourself. Slasdot is now MSDOT.
I vote for one of those leech states like Montana, Iowa etc. California pays more taxes then it receives so that states like Montana get more fed dollars then they pitch in.
In other words California, New York or other populated states subsidize the rural lifestyle. I say get rid of the leeches not the ones doing the paying.
Re:black and union-member republicans.
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Once again I will reiterate.
I recognie that there are a few (maybe about 1%) *prominent* black republicans. It's a great way to make a lot of money BTW. FoxTV loves to black republicans on the air.
Any union member who votes republican is actively trying to destroy their union. The republican party has always been against unions.
It is a well known fact that standing up for abolution and civil rights to this day still costs the democratic pary the southern vote. Until the civil rights movement the democrats owned the south. Once they sided with the blacks the south slipped away. To this day the south has not forgiven the democrats.
The same argument could be made about anything. Wouln't anything sell more at a lower price?
It would be better if he sold it for less because if he truly believes that his ideas benefit mankind then he should be interested in getting it into as many hands as possible.
I saw those and what was weird was that shiny expensive refrig had no fresh vegetables in it. Mostly frozen meat condiments. I was thinking how typically american.
Re:Been done here for ages, and it works.
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Bush got about 5% of the black vote in the last election. I don't have a link but I remember reading this in many publications.
The number of republican legislatures who are black is probably even smaller. I can only think of one or two prominent black republicans (the guy from OK comes to mind but I can't think of any other right now). Considering how much hostility prominent republicans like Rush, that horowitz guy, G gordon liddy, ollie north etc show towards blacks I don't find that number all that surprising.
I am sure there are a few union members who are republicans too but considering the hostility of the republican party to unions and the members of those unions it seems like a suicidal thing to do.
Maybe the only union members who are republicans are those that don't want to be in a union and are seeking to destroy their unions. That makes sense to me. But a union member who likes being in a union voting for republicans who are trying to destroy their unions seems silly.
What are you running for chrissake? My debian boots way faster then my win2k even though the debian runs on a much older machine.
Re:Been done here for ages, and it works.
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Did you watch the hearings? Everybody from the governor on down has stated that it happened and that it shouldn't have happened. They don't claim that that they did nothing wrong only that nobody should be punished. Eventually they will blame it on some low level police chief but you know the orders came from up high. Given that most police officers and police chiefs are republican and that most blacks vote democratic (almost 95% voted democratic in the last election) it makes perfect sense that a wink and a nod and a handshake is all it would take to get the cops to intimidate blacks.
If you are really a conspiracy buff I can also make the following point.
Most police officers are republican,
Most District attorneys are republican,
most police chiefs are republican
most blacks and hispanics are democrat.
Therefore blacks and hispanics are arrested at higher rates, convicted of higher charges so that they will lose their right to vote.
As a republican DA you would have motive to up the charge to a felony or refuse a plea bargain so your governor can deliver your state to his brother.
Re:Been done here for ages, and it works.
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"I personally do not see being hassled by police at times as big a deal as oh let's say getitng shot in the back by a known criminal? "
Most likely this is because you are white. At most you will be hassled once or twice in your lifetime. If you were a black man then you'd probably have a different opinion.
Maybe they werent looking for criminals.
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Maybe they were looking for black people who actually got to vote. You know just so it doesn't happen again.
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I sincerely doubt you are allowed to serve anything on a $6.0 license. If he puts up a web site or an ftp site and displays an ad he risks going to jail or being fined. Better to be safe you never know when lighning is going to strike.
Once again you offer no proof and only deal with conjecture. Maybe I am being unfair because there is no way to prove that IP did jack squat for innovation. The world is a complex place with complex interactions and you can not point to one thing and say "here is the reson for innovation and if you take this away innovation will go away".
I say let's take it away for 20 years and see what happens. I debug my code by testing it let's debug IP law by testing. Lets debug it by throwing unexpected input and seeing what comes out. Right now there seems to a lot evidence that it's buggy as hell and not working like it was designed.
OK I guess you don't actually understand the english language. I said that it does not support java. You then gave me a link which shows how you can convert java (or more specifically the left handed, red haired, retarded stepchild of java that is called J++) to C#.
OK I will repeat it again. The MS virtual machine does not support java. When MS says that you can program in.NET in a language independent manner they are lying (you can tell that because their mouth is moving). What they mean to say is that.NET only supports those languages that don't threaten the MS monopoly.
Next time actually read the link you are refering to.
why is every ms employee always talks in the future tense. Exchange will do this NT will do that.NET will do the other thing. By the time the future arrives MS will have already dumped it thing and moved on the next great acronym.
Tell us what it can do now because we don't believe MS can deliver on it's promises.
isn't up to the patenter (is that a word) to actively look for prior art? It should punish those people who don't exert any effort at finding prior art and then claim ignorance.
Most object oriented languages support serialization of some sort. Since DCOM and CORBA are not stateless like http the performance would be much greater using something like that. Turning everything into XML and back again is just overhead and not needed.
Once again let's say you were using VB and created a application.msaccess object ({098f2470-bae0-11cd-b579-08002b30bfeb}). Let's also say you were able to serialize this object somehow (god know how long that would take or how big it would be). Now what?
Can you send this object to a solaris machine?
What would it do with it? My point is that if you can only send your objects to another windows machine why bother with SOAP? Why not use one of the many native windows protocols like DCOM?
"Invention did occur before the advent of IP law but at the speed of a glacier. The breakneck pace of human advancement that has been occuring since the industrial revoloution has a great deal to do with the protection of intellectual property law"
Once again you have no proof of this. This is simply conjecture. I can also point out that the pace of innovation can be tied to
1) Faster and more pervasive transportation
2) faster and more pervasive communication
3) More leisure time (due to higher food productions).
4) more educated populus
5) simply more people in the world.
All of these are plausable reasons for accelarated innovation and in fact are probably all factors in it.
As long as mankind has been around there have been poverty. Saying that we ought to stop charity because the poor still exist is the same as saying that we ought to get rid of the police because crime still exists (despite the billions spent of crime prevention) or that we ought to get rid of the fire stations because fires still exist.
The two most used languages for windows developement are C++ and VB. Neither one of these is really supported by.NET. What I mean by that is that both VB and C++ programmers will have to be cross trained in VB.NET and C#. All the code will have to be rewritten from scratch because absolutely none of the code will run as is on the new platform.
There are also a some apps written in Delphi for windows. None of these will work on the.NET platform.
There are a few windows apps written in Java. None of these will be able to run on.NET.
There may be a miniscule amount of applications written for windows in perl or python and maybe some of them will work without modification.
So go ahead tell all of your VB programmers to learn the VB and port their application to.net. Same with your C++ programmer.
What the hell is the payoff? Why not code a bunch of com objects and call them in any language you choose?
As for your other points..
The syntax of C# is so close to java that if your average COBOL programmer can learn C# they will be able to learn Java. You know as well as I do that the existing COBOL codebase has to be drastically rewritten to function in a.net platofrm so it will be easier to either wrap it up COBRA or COM.
Writing web pages in vbscript is too difficult. php, perl, cold fusion, webobjects etc are much easier and java is much more scalable.
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I like apt as much as anyone but I still worry about upgrading my system over the internet logged in as root.
since when does linux run photoshop?
"But, as a proponent of the GPL you have. You have told Gates that if he uses any of your code, he HAS to license his program (Windows) your way, or not sell it at all."
What is so wrong with that? All that does is discourage Bill Gates from using your hard work to better further his goals. Bill has a choice to use your code or not. If the cost of using your code is too high (relicensing windows) then he won't use it. This makes everybody happy. The coder is happy because Bill gates will not benefit from his code and Bill Gates can write his own code or use some BSD licensed code.
Honestly I don't see why this would offend anybody. You don't have to use GPLed code, nobody is forcing you to.
Communism is a political affliation. In the united states it has a very small following. Communism has nothing to do with writing code.
On another note. While red baiting was very popular in the forties and fifties we as a society have luckily gotten past bit of ugliness. No need to revert to the bad old times now.
"Oh well, I am just ranting b/c I have no life. Go linux, and stuff. (+3 "Go Linux") "
If you think this is tru then you have not been slashdot. For the past several months the highest rated comments have always been "Go Microft" posts. any post which touts the reliability of windows 2K or the quality of MS and Ms tools always get modded up +5. Go check for yourself. Slasdot is now MSDOT.
I vote for one of those leech states like Montana, Iowa etc. California pays more taxes then it receives so that states like Montana get more fed dollars then they pitch in.
In other words California, New York or other populated states subsidize the rural lifestyle. I say get rid of the leeches not the ones doing the paying.
Once again I will reiterate.
I recognie that there are a few (maybe about 1%) *prominent* black republicans. It's a great way to make a lot of money BTW. FoxTV loves to black republicans on the air.
Any union member who votes republican is actively trying to destroy their union. The republican party has always been against unions.
It is a well known fact that standing up for abolution and civil rights to this day still costs the democratic pary the southern vote. Until the civil rights movement the democrats owned the south. Once they sided with the blacks the south slipped away. To this day the south has not forgiven the democrats.
everybody has at least one piece of software they never paid for. Did you pay for winzip?
The same argument could be made about anything. Wouln't anything sell more at a lower price?
It would be better if he sold it for less because if he truly believes that his ideas benefit mankind then he should be interested in getting it into as many hands as possible.
Great movie if you are going to watch it though make sure you have some noodles handy (the nice ones not the dried ramen).
I saw those and what was weird was that shiny expensive refrig had no fresh vegetables in it. Mostly frozen meat condiments. I was thinking how typically american.
Bush got about 5% of the black vote in the last election. I don't have a link but I remember reading this in many publications.
The number of republican legislatures who are black is probably even smaller. I can only think of one or two prominent black republicans (the guy from OK comes to mind but I can't think of any other right now). Considering how much hostility prominent republicans like Rush, that horowitz guy, G gordon liddy, ollie north etc show towards blacks I don't find that number all that surprising.
I am sure there are a few union members who are republicans too but considering the hostility of the republican party to unions and the members of those unions it seems like a suicidal thing to do.
Maybe the only union members who are republicans are those that don't want to be in a union and are seeking to destroy their unions. That makes sense to me. But a union member who likes being in a union voting for republicans who are trying to destroy their unions seems silly.
What are you running for chrissake? My debian boots way faster then my win2k even though the debian runs on a much older machine.
Did you watch the hearings? Everybody from the governor on down has stated that it happened and that it shouldn't have happened. They don't claim that that they did nothing wrong only that nobody should be punished. Eventually they will blame it on some low level police chief but you know the orders came from up high. Given that most police officers and police chiefs are republican and that most blacks vote democratic (almost 95% voted democratic in the last election) it makes perfect sense that a wink and a nod and a handshake is all it would take to get the cops to intimidate blacks.
If you are really a conspiracy buff I can also make the following point.
Most police officers are republican,
Most District attorneys are republican,
most police chiefs are republican
most blacks and hispanics are democrat.
Therefore blacks and hispanics are arrested at higher rates, convicted of higher charges so that they will lose their right to vote.
As a republican DA you would have motive to up the charge to a felony or refuse a plea bargain so your governor can deliver your state to his brother.
"I personally do not see being hassled by police at times as big a deal as oh let's say getitng shot in the back by a known criminal? "
Most likely this is because you are white. At most you will be hassled once or twice in your lifetime. If you were a black man then you'd probably have a different opinion.
Maybe they were looking for black people who actually got to vote. You know just so it doesn't happen again.
I sincerely doubt you are allowed to serve anything on a $6.0 license. If he puts up a web site or an ftp site and displays an ad he risks going to jail or being fined. Better to be safe you never know when lighning is going to strike.
Once again you offer no proof and only deal with conjecture. Maybe I am being unfair because there is no way to prove that IP did jack squat for innovation. The world is a complex place with complex interactions and you can not point to one thing and say "here is the reson for innovation and if you take this away innovation will go away".
I say let's take it away for 20 years and see what happens. I debug my code by testing it let's debug IP law by testing. Lets debug it by throwing unexpected input and seeing what comes out. Right now there seems to a lot evidence that it's buggy as hell and not working like it was designed.
OK I guess you don't actually understand the english language. I said that it does not support java. You then gave me a link which shows how you can convert java (or more specifically the left handed, red haired, retarded stepchild of java that is called J++) to C#.
.NET in a language independent manner they are lying (you can tell that because their mouth is moving). What they mean to say is that .NET only supports those languages that don't threaten the MS monopoly.
OK I will repeat it again. The MS virtual machine does not support java. When MS says that you can program in
Next time actually read the link you are refering to.
why is every ms employee always talks in the future tense. Exchange will do this NT will do that .NET will do the other thing. By the time the future arrives MS will have already dumped it thing and moved on the next great acronym.
Tell us what it can do now because we don't believe MS can deliver on it's promises.
MAPI does not run on Unix does it? If not then by all means go ahead and reinvent it.
isn't up to the patenter (is that a word) to actively look for prior art? It should punish those people who don't exert any effort at finding prior art and then claim ignorance.
Most object oriented languages support serialization of some sort. Since DCOM and CORBA are not stateless like http the performance would be much greater using something like that. Turning everything into XML and back again is just overhead and not needed.
Once again let's say you were using VB and created a application.msaccess object ({098f2470-bae0-11cd-b579-08002b30bfeb}). Let's also say you were able to serialize this object somehow (god know how long that would take or how big it would be). Now what?
Can you send this object to a solaris machine?
What would it do with it? My point is that if you can only send your objects to another windows machine why bother with SOAP? Why not use one of the many native windows protocols like DCOM?
"Invention did occur before the advent of IP law but at the speed of a glacier. The breakneck pace of human advancement that has been occuring since the industrial revoloution has a great deal to do with the protection of intellectual property law"
Once again you have no proof of this. This is simply conjecture. I can also point out that the pace of innovation can be tied to
1) Faster and more pervasive transportation
2) faster and more pervasive communication
3) More leisure time (due to higher food productions).
4) more educated populus
5) simply more people in the world.
All of these are plausable reasons for accelarated innovation and in fact are probably all factors in it.
As long as mankind has been around there have been poverty. Saying that we ought to stop charity because the poor still exist is the same as saying that we ought to get rid of the police because crime still exists (despite the billions spent of crime prevention) or that we ought to get rid of the fire stations because fires still exist.
The two most used languages for windows developement are C++ and VB. Neither one of these is really supported by .NET. What I mean by that is that both VB and C++ programmers will have to be cross trained in VB.NET and C#. All the code will have to be rewritten from scratch because absolutely none of the code will run as is on the new platform.
.NET platform.
.NET.
.net. Same with your C++ programmer.
.net platofrm so it will be easier to either wrap it up COBRA or COM.
There are also a some apps written in Delphi for windows. None of these will work on the
There are a few windows apps written in Java. None of these will be able to run on
There may be a miniscule amount of applications written for windows in perl or python and maybe some of them will work without modification.
So go ahead tell all of your VB programmers to learn the VB and port their application to
What the hell is the payoff? Why not code a bunch of com objects and call them in any language you choose?
As for your other points..
The syntax of C# is so close to java that if your average COBOL programmer can learn C# they will be able to learn Java. You know as well as I do that the existing COBOL codebase has to be drastically rewritten to function in a
Writing web pages in vbscript is too difficult. php, perl, cold fusion, webobjects etc are much easier and java is much more scalable.