I paid nothing for IE and look what I got.
Oh yea thanks for reminding me about all those windows forks. I guess that's what a centrally controlled developement structure gets you. A bunch of slightly incompatible forks.
What seems like a good deal is often not. The indians thought it was a good deal to sell manhatten for some beads. Of course to an Indian the concept of owning land was strange and nonsensical. Maybe to the Tongans (is that the right word) it seems silly that somebody would be paying them money for genes.
We can only hope they can avoid the fate of the indians.
Lets say that you are a politician. Let's also say that your budget happens to have an extra billion or two in it. Do you..
a) Spend it on hiring more police to make yourself seem tough on crime.
b) Spend it on teachers to make yourself seem like you care about education.
c) Spend it on fixing the roads to make yourself seem like you care about ordinary people.
d) Give yourself a raise
e) provide for tax cuts for your campaign contributors.
f) spend it on new voting machines?
You are right of course. What I find really offensive is that buyers of Office (or other MS software) are subsidizing stealing that goes on rampantly in south america, africa and china. In most countries in the world MS software is freely pirated and MS does nothing about it (except expect us pay for it of course). Why don't they put copy protection or something? Maybe they like people stealing their software because the alternative is to drive people towards cheaper or free software. Something to think about, by not going agressively against stealing they deprive Wordperfect office of customers. As long as most people are honest and pay and most do then why not let the 10% steal their software. This is an better alternative then letting those 10% of the people buy a competing product or use free software.
I agree absolutely. Until people end up in jail for violating the terms of their licenses free software will be hindered. Imagine if everybody had to actually pay for their MS software! Most people would simply go for a cheaper alternative or explore free options. Unfortunately it's too easy to steal software. I will be very happy when MS starts agressively defending their "rights".
Ah yes when you have nothing to say just say something to insult slashdot. Not a bad gambit really it usually cranks up the "insightful" points. In your case doesn't seem to have worked though.
Here it goes again.
Sure there are honest businessmen (a few perhaps) but the guys running MS are not!. The guys running MS care only about themselves and nobody else. Once IE gets to over 90% market penetration it will probably stop listening to apache and in a few months crumble unix web servers. Nobody will put up a web site on unix if 90% of your clients can't get to it.
The linux community has no evil intent and probably would cringe at the thought of any human being who would do such a thing. Nobody has ever advocated that BIND refuse requests from windows machines or that sendmail should refuse to accept mail from outlook but every single new "innovation" from MS seeks to destroy well established standards.
This is the battle between good and evil not between greed and generosity. MS is run by evil people with evil motives and evil ways of working. This is probably why they will continue to crush everybody who gets in their way. The people who wrote bind are too moral to ever corrupt standards but the guys who wrote Active Directory have no morals and will gladly corrupt kerberos.
In the end unless the open source community becomes evil it will lose. Evil will always win because there is no line it won't cross.
It matters not how good the software is. Slashdot is (supposed to be anyways) a community of open source advocates and MS is the antichrist to open source.
There are plenty of web sites and communities where saying anything anti-MS will get you flamed to high heaven (zdnet, devx etc) and until recently this was the one place where somebody who believed in open source could express their point of view without being beaten up by MS shills. MS of course has managed to subvert this forum too. For the last month or so the one sure way to get a +5 rating on any comment is to bash linux or praise MS.
How good win2k is (mine crashes at least once a day BTW) is beside the point. The point is IE is evil because MS will leverage it to undermine linux, web standards, apache, http and anything else they don't like. MS is not run by nice people who care about humanity, the web, communities or you. These people are nasty evil people who got to the top by crushing anybody who got in their way. Look at the way talk for example. What kind of human being uses phrases like "knife the baby" the imagery alone makes me sick to my stomach.
Giving these people absolute control of any key technology is the same as shooting yourself in the head.
1) Vote nader.
2) Protest loudly and often against stupid licencing schemes.
3) harrass the hell out of politicians who pass stupid laws allowing corporations to rape you whenever they want.
4) Contribute to FSF and GNU.
5) Lobby everyone you know and try to get the supreme court to reverse it's decision to allow soul-less immortal beings the same rights as mortal human beings with souls. This abominable demeaning of human beings has got to go.
Get activated and organized
From the way you describe it sounds more like a protection scheme the mob used to run. If you pay some money we will "protect" you from the thugs who just might break your windows and burn your store down. This kind of a shakedown has long been a staple of gangsters and apparently has now been adopted by MS. Maybe we need to go after them with the RICO laws. I guess this these things are going to go on until Billy "the bull" gates does some jail time.
I actually don't buy that whole "the chances of an audit is nil" stuff because you have no say in the matter. If MS decides to get you they will there is nothing you can do about it. You are presumed guilty and have to prove your innocense to their satisfaction. The entire matter wholly arbitrary and you have no rights. You either have to pay up to pay the lawyers to fight them. Seeing as how MS has a HUGE legal dept and are likely to cream you in court (the law only works for the rich in this country) you are screwed. You nothing but a bitch hoe of MS. When they get horny they will come over and screw you and your entire family and there is nothing you can do about it.
would you still need a domain contaoller if all your servers were linux? Why couln't you use NIS and just mount the shared drives with samba. Nobody says you have to use a domain model you could just as easily have one or two file servers and call it a day.
You might also consider the fact when an audit occurs it's much more then "simply" counting desktops. There WILL be lawyers involved and it's going to cost you many thousands of dollars just to make sure MS is satisfied. Remember the onus is on you and you are presumed to be guilty until you prove yourself innocent.
You are presuming that one would use Linux in a corporate environment exactly the same as windows. I don't think this is such a good idea. It would be much saner to run diskless X-Terms and one big ass server. This way you can centrally manage everything while still giving users their own customizable desktops. If a user messes something up then the sysadmin can fix it without having to walk around. That's where the real savings come in. Save on PCs by using diskless systems, save on software by using linux and save on support by having everything on just a few servers as opposed to hundreds of desktops. Also makes backup and revoery much easier.
Two year per mhz licenses are pretty damned cheap especially when considered against ms-sql. With ms-sql you'd have to upgrade every two years anyways as MS does not support older software. OTOH why pay at all? Postgres, interbase, and sapdb are all open sourced.
I am so glad you rmother is dead she probably would be ashamed of you anyways.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
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eliminating net taxes hurts the local business people in your town. It encourages the consumers to shop in other states. Eliminating net taxes will kill most cities in the US as more money flows to tech centers where large etailers live.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Oh yea another insightful post. Man the doerators are on crack or something.
Perhaps you could explain how the pricing is weird? I found it's very logical and cheap! Unlimited users if you pay per Mhz! Two year licences are dirt cheap weather you pay per user or per Mhz. If you went with an MS license you would have to pay per user AND per CPU for internet connections AND a per user for the NT license. Combine this with the fact that MS stops supporting older products thereby forcing you to upgrade every two years anyway oracle comes out much cheaper.
Oh yea DB/2 is cheaper still.
Postgres, interbase, SAPdb are all robust, proven, feature rich, and are FREE! All of these databases will meet the needs of the 90% of businesses in the world and they don't cost jack squat. According to SAP 800 companies are running R/3 on SAPDB. That's a mission critical, enterprise level, 24X7 app we are talking about here.
In two years all databases will be free including oracle and mssql mark my words.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Why the hell you need ACLs in the first place. Most netware shops I know use groups for permissions. Don't tell me you are assigning individual files rights to individual users. Are you?
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Yet another mindless inaccurate post moderated up to 5 because it says something bad about linux. What the hell kind of a windows compatibility does netware offer that linux does not?
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
So let me get this straight now..
You had nothing right? You were able to convince people to prepay you for hauling recyclables in 1989 right?
People were so eager to part with their money and so eager to recycle and so busy that they would give someone who had nothing enough money to rent a truck to haul their recylables right? Now these idiots were stupid enough to pay you knowing that a poor person like you might just take the money and never see them again right?
OK then having found enough environmentally friendly yet lazy and stupid people to pay for a rental truck for a day. You hauled all that garbage to the recyling place right?
So your profit margins must have been massive if you did this and it payed for your living, food, rent, etc AND you had enough money left over to buy your own truck right? In fact you made so much money that not only did you buy a new truck but you also paid your way through engineering school.
SO let me ask you something. When did the drugs kick in and on what planet were you. This is the best fairy tale I have ever heard in my life. If you are going to make up shit at least try to make it belivable willya.
Oh yea I kiss your mother with that mouth.
A Dick and a Bush.. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
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I paid nothing for IE and look what I got.
Oh yea thanks for reminding me about all those windows forks. I guess that's what a centrally controlled developement structure gets you. A bunch of slightly incompatible forks.
What seems like a good deal is often not. The indians thought it was a good deal to sell manhatten for some beads. Of course to an Indian the concept of owning land was strange and nonsensical. Maybe to the Tongans (is that the right word) it seems silly that somebody would be paying them money for genes.
We can only hope they can avoid the fate of the indians.
Lets say that you are a politician. Let's also say that your budget happens to have an extra billion or two in it. Do you..
a) Spend it on hiring more police to make yourself seem tough on crime.
b) Spend it on teachers to make yourself seem like you care about education.
c) Spend it on fixing the roads to make yourself seem like you care about ordinary people.
d) Give yourself a raise
e) provide for tax cuts for your campaign contributors.
f) spend it on new voting machines?
Yea linux has much better error messages and better logging too.
My favorite MS error message has got to be..
1) Error number 31XX there is no message for this error.
2) A blank dialog box with an OK button and nothing else.
You are right of course. What I find really offensive is that buyers of Office (or other MS software) are subsidizing stealing that goes on rampantly in south america, africa and china. In most countries in the world MS software is freely pirated and MS does nothing about it (except expect us pay for it of course). Why don't they put copy protection or something? Maybe they like people stealing their software because the alternative is to drive people towards cheaper or free software. Something to think about, by not going agressively against stealing they deprive Wordperfect office of customers. As long as most people are honest and pay and most do then why not let the 10% steal their software. This is an better alternative then letting those 10% of the people buy a competing product or use free software.
I agree absolutely. Until people end up in jail for violating the terms of their licenses free software will be hindered. Imagine if everybody had to actually pay for their MS software! Most people would simply go for a cheaper alternative or explore free options. Unfortunately it's too easy to steal software. I will be very happy when MS starts agressively defending their "rights".
Ah yes when you have nothing to say just say something to insult slashdot. Not a bad gambit really it usually cranks up the "insightful" points. In your case doesn't seem to have worked though.
Yes and that's the terminology he used. He did not say "kill quicktime" he said "knife the baby". What kind a human being talks that way?
You missed my point entirely didn't you.
Here it goes again.
Sure there are honest businessmen (a few perhaps) but the guys running MS are not!. The guys running MS care only about themselves and nobody else. Once IE gets to over 90% market penetration it will probably stop listening to apache and in a few months crumble unix web servers. Nobody will put up a web site on unix if 90% of your clients can't get to it.
The linux community has no evil intent and probably would cringe at the thought of any human being who would do such a thing. Nobody has ever advocated that BIND refuse requests from windows machines or that sendmail should refuse to accept mail from outlook but every single new "innovation" from MS seeks to destroy well established standards.
This is the battle between good and evil not between greed and generosity. MS is run by evil people with evil motives and evil ways of working. This is probably why they will continue to crush everybody who gets in their way. The people who wrote bind are too moral to ever corrupt standards but the guys who wrote Active Directory have no morals and will gladly corrupt kerberos.
In the end unless the open source community becomes evil it will lose. Evil will always win because there is no line it won't cross.
It matters not how good the software is. Slashdot is (supposed to be anyways) a community of open source advocates and MS is the antichrist to open source.
There are plenty of web sites and communities where saying anything anti-MS will get you flamed to high heaven (zdnet, devx etc) and until recently this was the one place where somebody who believed in open source could express their point of view without being beaten up by MS shills. MS of course has managed to subvert this forum too. For the last month or so the one sure way to get a +5 rating on any comment is to bash linux or praise MS.
How good win2k is (mine crashes at least once a day BTW) is beside the point. The point is IE is evil because MS will leverage it to undermine linux, web standards, apache, http and anything else they don't like. MS is not run by nice people who care about humanity, the web, communities or you. These people are nasty evil people who got to the top by crushing anybody who got in their way. Look at the way talk for example. What kind of human being uses phrases like "knife the baby" the imagery alone makes me sick to my stomach.
Giving these people absolute control of any key technology is the same as shooting yourself in the head.
I'm pretty sure AOL isn't paying for IE. How would they save money by buying netscape?
There are other things you can do too.
1) Vote nader.
2) Protest loudly and often against stupid licencing schemes.
3) harrass the hell out of politicians who pass stupid laws allowing corporations to rape you whenever they want.
4) Contribute to FSF and GNU.
5) Lobby everyone you know and try to get the supreme court to reverse it's decision to allow soul-less immortal beings the same rights as mortal human beings with souls. This abominable demeaning of human beings has got to go.
Get activated and organized
From the way you describe it sounds more like a protection scheme the mob used to run. If you pay some money we will "protect" you from the thugs who just might break your windows and burn your store down. This kind of a shakedown has long been a staple of gangsters and apparently has now been adopted by MS. Maybe we need to go after them with the RICO laws. I guess this these things are going to go on until Billy "the bull" gates does some jail time.
I actually don't buy that whole "the chances of an audit is nil" stuff because you have no say in the matter. If MS decides to get you they will there is nothing you can do about it. You are presumed guilty and have to prove your innocense to their satisfaction. The entire matter wholly arbitrary and you have no rights. You either have to pay up to pay the lawyers to fight them. Seeing as how MS has a HUGE legal dept and are likely to cream you in court (the law only works for the rich in this country) you are screwed. You nothing but a bitch hoe of MS. When they get horny they will come over and screw you and your entire family and there is nothing you can do about it.
would you still need a domain contaoller if all your servers were linux? Why couln't you use NIS and just mount the shared drives with samba. Nobody says you have to use a domain model you could just as easily have one or two file servers and call it a day.
You might also consider the fact when an audit occurs it's much more then "simply" counting desktops. There WILL be lawyers involved and it's going to cost you many thousands of dollars just to make sure MS is satisfied. Remember the onus is on you and you are presumed to be guilty until you prove yourself innocent.
You are presuming that one would use Linux in a corporate environment exactly the same as windows. I don't think this is such a good idea. It would be much saner to run diskless X-Terms and one big ass server. This way you can centrally manage everything while still giving users their own customizable desktops. If a user messes something up then the sysadmin can fix it without having to walk around. That's where the real savings come in. Save on PCs by using diskless systems, save on software by using linux and save on support by having everything on just a few servers as opposed to hundreds of desktops. Also makes backup and revoery much easier.
Win2k runs chkdsk after every crash (about once a day on my DELL dimension 700 with 256Megs or ram).
It's not a relational database unless it enforces referential integrity. MySql is not a relational database.
Two year per mhz licenses are pretty damned cheap especially when considered against ms-sql. With ms-sql you'd have to upgrade every two years anyways as MS does not support older software. OTOH why pay at all? Postgres, interbase, and sapdb are all open sourced.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
Perhaps you could explain how the pricing is weird? I found it's very logical and cheap! Unlimited users if you pay per Mhz! Two year licences are dirt cheap weather you pay per user or per Mhz. If you went with an MS license you would have to pay per user AND per CPU for internet connections AND a per user for the NT license. Combine this with the fact that MS stops supporting older products thereby forcing you to upgrade every two years anyway oracle comes out much cheaper.
Oh yea DB/2 is cheaper still.
Postgres, interbase, SAPdb are all robust, proven, feature rich, and are FREE! All of these databases will meet the needs of the 90% of businesses in the world and they don't cost jack squat. According to SAP 800 companies are running R/3 on SAPDB. That's a mission critical, enterprise level, 24X7 app we are talking about here.
In two years all databases will be free including oracle and mssql mark my words.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.
You had nothing right? You were able to convince people to prepay you for hauling recyclables in 1989 right?
People were so eager to part with their money and so eager to recycle and so busy that they would give someone who had nothing enough money to rent a truck to haul their recylables right? Now these idiots were stupid enough to pay you knowing that a poor person like you might just take the money and never see them again right?
OK then having found enough environmentally friendly yet lazy and stupid people to pay for a rental truck for a day. You hauled all that garbage to the recyling place right?
So your profit margins must have been massive if you did this and it payed for your living, food, rent, etc AND you had enough money left over to buy your own truck right? In fact you made so much money that not only did you buy a new truck but you also paid your way through engineering school.
SO let me ask you something. When did the drugs kick in and on what planet were you. This is the best fairy tale I have ever heard in my life. If you are going to make up shit at least try to make it belivable willya.
Oh yea I kiss your mother with that mouth.
A Dick and a Bush .. You know somebody's gonna get screwed.