obviously you have never hung out in comp.databases.ms-access. There is a cottage industry of access programmers charging up to $200.00 per hour to poor saps who get in over their heads with the product.
You are abosolutely right. If you work for a company you are morally culpable in what that company does. Maybe your contribution is 1/100 of 1% but it's not zero. If the soldiers in a war refused to pull the triggers the war would not exist.
". Some questioned the orders by the researcher to continue, but they kept on with the torture."
There is a reason for this. It's because human beings are by nature evil. By evil I mean animals who enjoy causing pain and killing (a totally natural thing if you even watched a cat play with a grasshopper). Ony by civilising people through society do we try to surpress those tendencies in human beings so that we can all try to survive. Nevertheless those tendencies don't go away. Sometimes we redirect them in a war or corporate conquest.
In short. Human beings are born evil and have tendency to do evil. They have to learn to be good. That's why it's so hard, it does nto come naturally.
Perhaps it's time to change the name to "Slashdot: Advocacy for Open Source and the death of Intellectual Property, Think Like Us"
By definition all communitites think alike. That's how you basically define a community in the modern age (i.e the internet). If you want a bunch of people who hate unix go hang out at mucrosoft.public.whatever newsgroups. Go to comp.databases.ms-access and post something about oracle and see what happens. Go to fawcette publications web boards and say the word delphi you'll be flamed out of existance.
The beauty of the internet is that you can hang out with people interested in the same thing as you no matter where you live and that no matter how obscure your interest is you'll likely find enough people to communicate with. If you don't like what is being said here please by all means go away and find some people who think like you. I have suggested several places where you can discuss your distaste for linux, perl, python or even slashdot I am sure there are billions of others. Whatever you do please get off your sanctimonious ass and stop whining.
I love it. Ask an Open Source advocate why all software should be free and he'll say "to avoid duplication of effort".
Huh? I have never heard this. Here is what I have heard. "So that software won't suck", "all bugs are shallow to a million eyes" and my favorite "because freedom is better"
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They know that ZDNET will stroke them no matter what and they know that their developers will continue to take it up the ass no matter how much they get bitchslapped. What do they care?
Are you suggesting that the reviewers are receiving free support and that's why they post god reviews. After all support is the only reason to actually buy the box right? Besides it's obvious you have never tried to get support from Red Hat it's a joke. I can see it now. Oooh we better give this red hat a good review so that we get our support emails answered within three days. LOL
Well it's obvious we will not change each others minds. But here are a couple of thoughts anyway.
The second amendment starts with "A well regulated militia". Even if you were to accept the 1903 law as being still valid today (how many other 1903 laws are still valid?) you can not escape the fact the the government gave itself the right to regulate the militia and therefore the peoples right to bear arms. As I have stated before I am not trying to deny anyone the right to own a gun just that they accept a reasonable degree of regulation. IMO this means just like any other lethal substance.
As for the declaration of independence it is not officially a part of our government. It is most probably one of the most dangerous documents ever written and no government would ever make it a part of it's constitution. I find it Ironic that the founding fathers esposed almost unlimited freedom when they wrote their declaration of independence but backed way off when they got around to forming their own government. The constitution seems dim next to that document especially considering the fact that the bill of rights came later.
"However, there is no required license to sell tobacco products"
Wrong!. First of all you need a license to run just about any business. I have a consulting company and I had to register and get a business license just to give advice to people. Then when I incorporated I had to register with the state. Every business needs to be licensed no matter what you are selling. For some businesses this is simply a matter of filling out a form other business involve taking tests and jumping through hoops. Amongst these are outfitters, guides, real estate dealers, car dealers, factories and yes gun dealers.
"He said (according to radio talk show host Tom Gresham's report):"
You know I just turn off my mind when somebody lists a radio talk show host as a source. I am going to take the position that this is inaccurate until I see the transcript. It's up to the Supreme court the interpret the constitution and I presume they will. I also persume that you don't think felons ought to be armed. Of course my resding of the second amendment says that only those in the militia can own guns. If you want a gun join the military.
"Why does the government need to know this? I'm not a criminal, I'm a law abiding citizen."
Just because the government knows something about you it does not make you a criminal. DO you file taxes? What kind of information have you given the government? Ever buy a fishing license? Did you register your car, motorcyle, boat? Did you claim medical bills? Face it your government knows a TON about you including where you went to school, what grades you got, every job you have ever had, every car you have ever owned, when where and how you sold or bought a thousand and one things. That's what the government does it collects information.
"Sorry, Malcontent, but riders have been around for a very, very long time."
Yea did I state anything contradicting this? I never talked about the origin of the riders only the demise of of the line item veto. Please reread my post.
Introduce a bill that says felons should be flogged and get their genitals cut off and I bet it will pass with flying colors anywhere in the United States. Americans are a hateful bunch.
"The drug war is not the only war against individual responsibility that is happening in this country"
The war against individual responsibility was lost when the corporation was invented. Simply by incorporating a human being can shirk all responsibility for his or her actions. If you want to fight the war on individual responsibility pierce the corporate shield and hols CEOs responsible for the actions of their corporations.
Here is what heppened. For a long time Democrats ruled the congress. They kept putting their pet projects as riders and the republican presidents pretty much had to either sign or scrap the whole bill. Usually of course you attached your pet project to cancer research bill or something and when the president vetoed it or you opponents objected you got to yell Mr. So or so is against cancer research! (exactly what George W. Bush did to McCain).
All this time the republicans yelled and screamed that they wanted a line item veto so that the president could veto just the riders and still let the rest of the bill pass. Then in a brilliant move at the end of the Bush presidency the democrats smelled a winner in Clinton and they passed the line item bill even though for years they were against it.
Surprise surprise the republicans now got to be on the receiving end of the shaft (so be careful what you ask for boys). So they challenged the law and the supreme court bailed them out by declaring the thing unconstitutional (not surprising how many republicans on the court).
OK the long and short of the story is that riders exist, the pres can do nothing about them, the American people are stupid and don't give a damn. Worse yet Americans are so stupid and gullable that when George W. Bush tell them that John McCain is FOR breast cancer and actually wants their mothers and sisters to get cancer they all nod their heads in agreement and say "it must be true cos I saw it on the tee-vee".
"I never had to purchase a car, bike, or lighter from someone who had to have a special license to sell them."
Wrong car dealers are licensed and regulated ever try to buy a car on a sunday?. So are a slew of other products like alcohol, tobbacco. Not to mention just about any service you buy from outfitters to doctors and lawyers are licenced. When I was talking about regulation I was talking about manufacturing more then sales. A cigarette lighter is subject to more regulation and oversight then guns.
"Also, the government organizations that regulate cars have never seriously suggested that american citizens do not have the right to own them"
This is just your typical gun nut paranioa. Nobody is suggesting that you don't have the right own a gun. Only that guns be subject to the same kind of regulation that every other commodity is. Yes guns should be registered and licensed just like cars, yes the sale of the should be monitored just like tobacco or alcohol or prescription drugs. Be reasonable here will you, are you concerned that the government knows what kind of a car you drive? how much money you make? how you spent your money?. All these non sequiter arguments about police officers children only makes you guys look like idiots to the average American. Are these the same policemen you are so afraid will knock your door down and confiscate your guns? If so you should be happy their guns will misfire while you are shooting them. As G. Gordon Liddy said aim for the head they are probably wearing bulletproof vests.
Jeez man how paranoid are you. It's just another programming language. Can you write GPLed code in Java?
Relax. I am looking forward to shelling out whatever it takes to buy klyx I know it's going to rock. I can't wait to be able to do cool GUI stuff for linux.
I heard a great pigeonhead song on the radio so I bought the CD the rest of the CD sucked. I can't tell you how many CDs I have that have one or two good songs on them and rest are junk fillers.
"Let me tell you something, guns are the most regulated consumer product in the United States."
This is an out and out lie. Your average automobile, bicyle, or even a god damned cigarette lighter is more heavily regulated then guns. How come we have child proof lighters and not child proof guns? Don't come crying to me when you have to fill out some paperwork to get a gun what did you do to get a drivers licence? A god-damned real estate licence is harder to get then a gun.
"No one was ever forced by a tobacco company to start smoking. It has been widely known since the 1960s that cigarettes can kill you;"
Nevertheless it does not absolve the CEOs and employees of these corporations from moral culpability. Knowingly making addictive lethal producs and marketing it to carefully chosen demographics to hook them is still immoral and reprehensible act. Preying on the stupid, young, mentally incompetent, and the ignorant to make money has never been a moral act. It's time these people faced up to their own personal responsibility in the deaths of millions of people. To say that it's totally the fault of the users is a cop out they shoulder a significant portion of the burden.
Escaping jail is precisely the kind of thing I am talking about. You can make a decision which results in the deaths of hundreds of people or the devestation of a coastline and walk away from it without even an apology let alone murder charges. Personal responsibility is completely bypassed by the simple act of forming a corporation. Pretty damned cool dontcha think.
Besides the shareholders can go screw themselves. If they were stupid enough to invest in a company that dealt in death, misery and disease they deserve to go broke. Especially if they were too stupid to sell their stocks when they smelled trouble coming. What kind of a amoral stupid idiot would still own tobacco or gun stock anyways. Better put your money in safer companies.
Unfortunately we have this gret device in this country for shirking any and all accountibility and personal responsibility. It's called a corporation. Simply by incorporating you get be immune from the consequences of all your actions and decisions. Cool huh?
Those goddamned unionists. Who do they think they are asking for better wages or better treatment. They should just do what they are told and be glad they have jobs in the first place. Fire them all! Let's institute slavery again! cheap prison labor for the good of the corporations! Screw the people they are only resources to be used!
Most like fire you or sue you if you don't work for them. Free speach is really more of an illusion then reality right now thanks to corporate domination of our government. Go ahead and say what you want just be prepared to go broke or end up in jail.
Havent used mysql but have used both interbase and postgresql. I much prefer interbase here is why. 1) faster. 2) more stable 3) runs on anything! 4) IBO/IBX for direct connect with delphi (and soon to be klyx) 5) loads of UDFs 6) Supportive user base. 7) Awsome documentation. Far better then anything else I have seen including commercial databases. 8) Good language for SP and triggers. 9) SP that return recordsets!
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obviously you have never hung out in comp.databases.ms-access. There is a cottage industry of access programmers charging up to $200.00 per hour to poor saps who get in over their heads with the product.
You are abosolutely right. If you work for a company you are morally culpable in what that company does. Maybe your contribution is 1/100 of 1% but it's not zero. If the soldiers in a war refused to pull the triggers the war would not exist.
". Some questioned the orders by the researcher to continue, but they kept on with the torture."
There is a reason for this. It's because human beings are by nature evil. By evil I mean animals who enjoy causing pain and killing (a totally natural thing if you even watched a cat play with a grasshopper). Ony by civilising people through society do we try to surpress those tendencies in human beings so that we can all try to survive. Nevertheless those tendencies don't go away. Sometimes we redirect them in a war or corporate conquest.
In short. Human beings are born evil and have tendency to do evil. They have to learn to be good. That's why it's so hard, it does nto come naturally.
Perhaps it's time to change the name to "Slashdot: Advocacy for Open Source and the death of Intellectual Property, Think Like Us"
By definition all communitites think alike. That's how you basically define a community in the modern age (i.e the internet).
If you want a bunch of people who hate unix go hang out at mucrosoft.public.whatever newsgroups. Go to comp.databases.ms-access and post something about oracle and see what happens. Go to fawcette publications web boards and say the word delphi you'll be flamed out of existance.
The beauty of the internet is that you can hang out with people interested in the same thing as you no matter where you live and that no matter how obscure your interest is you'll likely find enough people to communicate with. If you don't like what is being said here please by all means go away and find some people who think like you. I have suggested several places where you can discuss your distaste for linux, perl, python or even slashdot I am sure there are billions of others.
Whatever you do please get off your sanctimonious ass and stop whining.
I love it. Ask an Open Source advocate why all software should be free and he'll say "to avoid duplication of effort".
Huh? I have never heard this. Here is what I have heard.
"So that software won't suck", "all bugs are shallow to a million eyes" and my favorite "because freedom is better"
Thre is one here
and another one here
There are also several IDEs written in java and at least one quicken like program.
Check them out.
They know that ZDNET will stroke them no matter what and they know that their developers will continue to take it up the ass no matter how much they get bitchslapped. What do they care?
"I've always found ZD publications to be particularly hostile to Microsoft..."
Then pehaps you could provide a link to a review of an MS product they don't like.
Are you suggesting that the reviewers are receiving free support and that's why they post god reviews. After all support is the only reason to actually buy the box right? Besides it's obvious you have never tried to get support from Red Hat it's a joke. I can see it now.
Oooh we better give this red hat a good review so that we get our support emails answered within three days. LOL
Well it's obvious we will not change each others minds. But here are a couple of thoughts anyway.
The second amendment starts with "A well regulated militia". Even if you were to accept the 1903 law as being still valid today (how many other 1903 laws are still valid?) you can not escape the fact the the government gave itself the right to regulate the militia and therefore the peoples right to bear arms. As I have stated before I am not trying to deny anyone the right to own a gun just that they accept a reasonable degree of regulation. IMO this means just like any other lethal substance.
As for the declaration of independence it is not officially a part of our government. It is most probably one of the most dangerous documents ever written and no government would ever make it a part of it's constitution. I find it Ironic that the founding fathers esposed almost unlimited freedom when they wrote their declaration of independence but backed way off when they got around to forming their own government. The constitution seems dim next to that document especially considering the fact that the bill of rights came later.
"However, there is no required license to sell tobacco products"
Wrong!. First of all you need a license to run just about any business. I have a consulting company and I had to register and get a business license just to give advice to people. Then when I incorporated I had to register with the state. Every business needs to be licensed no matter what you are selling. For some businesses this is simply a matter of filling out a form other business involve taking tests and jumping through hoops. Amongst these are outfitters, guides, real estate dealers, car dealers, factories and yes gun dealers.
"He said (according to radio talk show host Tom Gresham's report):"
You know I just turn off my mind when somebody lists a radio talk show host as a source. I am going to take the position that this is inaccurate until I see the transcript. It's up to the Supreme court the interpret the constitution and I presume they will. I also persume that you don't think felons ought to be armed. Of course my resding of the second amendment says that only those in the militia can own guns. If you want a gun join the military.
"Why does the government need to know this? I'm not a criminal, I'm a law abiding citizen."
Just because the government knows something about you it does not make you a criminal. DO you file taxes? What kind of information have you given the government? Ever buy a fishing license? Did you register your car, motorcyle, boat? Did you claim medical bills? Face it your government knows a TON about you including where you went to school, what grades you got, every job you have ever had, every car you have ever owned, when where and how you sold or bought a thousand and one things. That's what the government does it collects information.
"Sorry, Malcontent, but riders have been around for a very, very long time."
Yea did I state anything contradicting this? I never talked about the origin of the riders only the demise of of the line item veto. Please reread my post.
Introduce a bill that says felons should be flogged and get their genitals cut off and I bet it will pass with flying colors anywhere in the United States. Americans are a hateful bunch.
"The drug war is not the only war against individual responsibility that is happening in this country"
The war against individual responsibility was lost when the corporation was invented. Simply by incorporating a human being can shirk all responsibility for his or her actions. If you want to fight the war on individual responsibility pierce the corporate shield and hols CEOs responsible for the actions of their corporations.
Here is what heppened.
For a long time Democrats ruled the congress. They kept putting their pet projects as riders and the republican presidents pretty much had to either sign or scrap the whole bill. Usually of course you attached your pet project to cancer research bill or something and when the president vetoed it or you opponents objected you got to yell Mr. So or so is against cancer research! (exactly what George W. Bush did to McCain).
All this time the republicans yelled and screamed that they wanted a line item veto so that the president could veto just the riders and still let the rest of the bill pass. Then in a brilliant move at the end of the Bush presidency the democrats smelled a winner in Clinton and they passed the line item bill even though for years they were against it.
Surprise surprise the republicans now got to be on the receiving end of the shaft (so be careful what you ask for boys). So they challenged the law and the supreme court bailed them out by declaring the thing unconstitutional (not surprising how many republicans on the court).
OK the long and short of the story is that riders exist, the pres can do nothing about them, the American people are stupid and don't give a damn. Worse yet Americans are so stupid and gullable that when George W. Bush tell them that John McCain is FOR breast cancer and actually wants their mothers and sisters to get cancer they all nod their heads in agreement and say "it must be true cos I saw it on the tee-vee".
"I never had to purchase a car, bike, or lighter from someone who had to have a special license to sell them."
Wrong car dealers are licensed and regulated ever try to buy a car on a sunday?. So are a slew of other products like alcohol, tobbacco. Not to mention just about any service you buy from outfitters to doctors and lawyers are licenced.
When I was talking about regulation I was talking about manufacturing more then sales. A cigarette lighter is subject to more regulation and oversight then guns.
"Also, the government organizations that regulate cars have never seriously suggested that american citizens do not have the right to own them"
This is just your typical gun nut paranioa. Nobody is suggesting that you don't have the right own a gun. Only that guns be subject to the same kind of regulation that every other commodity is. Yes guns should be registered and licensed just like cars, yes the sale of the should be monitored just like tobacco or alcohol or prescription drugs. Be reasonable here will you, are you concerned that the government knows what kind of a car you drive? how much money you make? how you spent your money?. All these non sequiter arguments about police officers children only makes you guys look like idiots to the average American. Are these the same policemen you are so afraid will knock your door down and confiscate your guns? If so you should be happy their guns will misfire while you are shooting them. As G. Gordon Liddy said aim for the head they are probably wearing bulletproof vests.
Jeez man how paranoid are you. It's just another programming language. Can you write GPLed code in Java?
Relax. I am looking forward to shelling out whatever it takes to buy klyx I know it's going to rock. I can't wait to be able to do cool GUI stuff for linux.
I heard a great pigeonhead song on the radio so I bought the CD the rest of the CD sucked.
I can't tell you how many CDs I have that have one or two good songs on them and rest are junk fillers.
"Let me tell you something, guns are the most regulated consumer product in the United States."
This is an out and out lie. Your average automobile, bicyle, or even a god damned cigarette lighter is more heavily regulated then guns. How come we have child proof lighters and not child proof guns? Don't come crying to me when you have to fill out some paperwork to get a gun what did you do to get a drivers licence? A god-damned real estate licence is harder to get then a gun.
"No one was ever forced by a tobacco company to start smoking. It has been widely known since the 1960s that cigarettes can kill you;"
Nevertheless it does not absolve the CEOs and employees of these corporations from moral culpability. Knowingly making addictive lethal producs and marketing it to carefully chosen demographics to hook them is still immoral and reprehensible act. Preying on the stupid, young, mentally incompetent, and the ignorant to make money has never been a moral act.
It's time these people faced up to their own personal responsibility in the deaths of millions of people. To say that it's totally the fault of the users is a cop out they shoulder a significant portion of the burden.
Escaping jail is precisely the kind of thing I am talking about. You can make a decision which results in the deaths of hundreds of people or the devestation of a coastline and walk away from it without even an apology let alone murder charges. Personal responsibility is completely bypassed by the simple act of forming a corporation. Pretty damned cool dontcha think.
Besides the shareholders can go screw themselves. If they were stupid enough to invest in a company that dealt in death, misery and disease they deserve to go broke. Especially if they were too stupid to sell their stocks when they smelled trouble coming. What kind of a amoral stupid idiot would still own tobacco or gun stock anyways. Better put your money in safer companies.
Unfortunately we have this gret device in this country for shirking any and all accountibility and personal responsibility. It's called a corporation. Simply by incorporating you get be immune from the consequences of all your actions and decisions. Cool huh?
Those goddamned unionists. Who do they think they are asking for better wages or better treatment. They should just do what they are told and be glad they have jobs in the first place. Fire them all! Let's institute slavery again! cheap prison labor for the good of the corporations! Screw the people they are only resources to be used!
Most like fire you or sue you if you don't work for them. Free speach is really more of an illusion then reality right now thanks to corporate domination of our government. Go ahead and say what you want just be prepared to go broke or end up in jail.
Havent used mysql but have used both interbase and postgresql. I much prefer interbase here is why.
1) faster.
2) more stable
3) runs on anything!
4) IBO/IBX for direct connect with delphi (and soon to be klyx)
5) loads of UDFs
6) Supportive user base.
7) Awsome documentation. Far better then anything else I have seen including commercial databases.
8) Good language for SP and triggers.
9) SP that return recordsets!
All in all a pleasure to work with.