I am asking not to flame but because I am truly interested in the answer. Why is it harder to start up mysql then vi? If the system is so messed up that it can not start a program then vi is no help either.
I can see the argument of not putting all of your eggs in one basket (all configuration in one database) but a simple server is no more difficult to launch then vi and can be started earlier in the boot process. This way you can attemp to connect to the database server from another station and fix the problem.
For a long time Netware was considered purely a file and print services OS. It was never a serious contender as an application server. As a file and print server netware uses very little process power. 3.x series of netware could easily server over 200 users using about 2% CPU utilization of a 486!. When netware 4 came out (and more seriously in netware 5) netware became a more serious application server. Now it needs SMP not for itself but for the applications it's serving. Hope this clears it up for you.
True Story. I had a job as a network engineer once in a hospital. There was a netware server (V3.5) that had 200+ users on it and it also managed a bunch of printers. One day I had to add another hard drive to it because the old one was running out of space. The entire operation took about a half hour but the actual donwtime was more like 15 minutes. That was the only downtime for that server in two years. Here is the kicker. It was a 486 with 16 megs of ram (an IBM using Micro channel!).
Why not a database engine. Not a complex one mind you just something simple like mysql. Hold on a minute we already have mysql and postgres. Both support ODBC and JDBC as well as PERL, TCL, C++ and C bindings. Both can be administered remotely. Why not just use one of these.
I agree but watch out for a couple of things. One is that Postgresql does not explicitly suppoert outer joins. There are a couple of workarounds but it means manually translating all your queries. Also there is a 32 char limit on the default compilation for all object names. If you want longer object names you'll need to recompile (no big deal though). You will also want to put the postgres on it's own drive and format using bigger blocks. Oh yea also run without sync otherwise a bit performance hit.
Postgtres is very nice but limited in some ways. It's improving very fast though. If your main goal is to get rid of NT then you can also consider Oracle or interbase. Interbase will be opened up soon and oracle just dropped their prices (or atleast made them a little more flexable.)
There is nothing wrong with shipping an app with the OS. MS is not being tried for that. MS is being tried because they told DELL, Gateway etc. "if you also ship netscape we will charge you more for windows" In other words they are not being sued for including apps they are being sued for exluding competition by abusing their monopoly power.
Another clue. Being a monopoly is not illegal abusing that power is.
Those are our opinions and you are entitled to them. Like it or not though your opinions don't really matter so much. A federal judge gets to make that call. I'm sure he will be appealed then the supreme court will make that call.
I don't know you so I can't judge your credentials but I think I will give more weight to the opinion of an experienced federal judge.
It is withing the jurisdiction of the Federal Government to oversee interstate commerce. In fact it is one of the primary duties of the Federal Government. Therefore it is the DUTY of the DOJ to intervene when they think laws have been broken. It is the DUTY of the judge to listen to the case and make a judgement. That's how it works.
They knowingly entered a market (the OS market) knowing full well that MS had over 90% of that market. They were probably thinking they could squeak out a niche in some corner someplace and make few bucks until MS noticed them and crushed them (or bought them). Well it worked kind of. they got along for a while went public and probably made some bucks for some people but the public never went for it (being oh so comfortable in their little MS world). So unable to actually sell the damn thing they are giving it away hoping to generate some interest.
MS killed any profit in the OS market. Who honestly thinks they can create an OS and charge for it when MS has 90% of the market. Be serious Open Source is a byproduct of MS monopoly just as BE giving away the OS is.
"If you want something to be open source, get off your ass and write something that's open source. Criticizing other people for what they choose to do with their own software does nothing but annoy people."
Isn't the point of open source that you shouldn't have to duplicate other peoples work? Why even have open source if every tom, dick and jane has to start from scratch and write their own slashdot? The original poster was right the ideal is to relase early and release often.
Will paradox be included in your office? If not could you please explain the roadblocks that prevent it from being ported. Linux desperately needs a RAD database aplication tool.
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Isn't it absurd. Corporations have no soul, are immortal, and are designed to avoid personal responsibility and yet they have rights.
I think that if a corporation has first amendment rights it can make a case for second amendment rights. Can you see it. MS arms itself to fend off the DOJ thereby declaring war against the US. I would love to see that just so the supreme court can see the absurdity of their ruling.
So what man. It's plenty good enough for me and it's free. This is one thing you keep ignoring dude. ITS FUCKING FREE AND ITS GOOD ENOUGH AND IT KEEPS GETTING BETTER.
If you really want the goddamned paper clip pay for it. If you really want photoshop pay for it. I really don't understand this bug you got up your butt. Most office users I know write a letter to grandma once a month or so and that's about it. Why pay over $300 for something just to do that?
I imagine the giving will stop once the DOJ is done with it's business. IMHO all this charity business is just a PR expense to try and repair his evil empire image. I don't think he has a charitable bone in his body.
I think the point is that in a shop full of unix sysadmins getting an NT sysadmin is going to cost big extra bucks (even if it's a one time charge). It may be cheaper to switch the accounting system.
Hey neat idea!. I'm going to play with it for a while and it's just exactly what I've been looking for. Do you have any Java examples? I think it would be awsome to get to it from an applet.
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Can you please point me to a HOWTO that helps me achieve "interoperability with people who are using Microsoft Windows."? I am really looking forward to exchanging MS access databases, Excel spreadsheets and Word documents while using Linux. Also maybe you should drop a note off to Dell telling them they should not force me to buy windows or office when I want one of their excellant and cheap computers.
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Better yet send the entire cost of the T-shirt to the EFF. They could put it to better use and besides you already have a bunch of T-shirts.
I am asking not to flame but because I am truly interested in the answer. Why is it harder to start up mysql then vi? If the system is so messed up that it can not start a program then vi is no help either.
I can see the argument of not putting all of your eggs in one basket (all configuration in one database) but a simple server is no more difficult to launch then vi and can be started earlier in the boot process. This way you can attemp to connect to the database server from another station and fix the problem.
For a long time Netware was considered purely a file and print services OS. It was never a serious contender as an application server. As a file and print server netware uses very little process power. 3.x series of netware could easily server over 200 users using about 2% CPU utilization of a 486!. When netware 4 came out (and more seriously in netware 5) netware became a more serious application server. Now it needs SMP not for itself but for the applications it's serving. Hope this clears it up for you.
True Story.
I had a job as a network engineer once in a hospital. There was a netware server (V3.5) that had 200+ users on it and it also managed a bunch of printers. One day I had to add another hard drive to it because the old one was running out of space. The entire operation took about a half hour but the actual donwtime was more like 15 minutes. That was the only downtime for that server in two years. Here is the kicker.
It was a 486 with 16 megs of ram (an IBM using Micro channel!).
Why not a database engine. Not a complex one mind you just something simple like mysql. Hold on a minute we already have mysql and postgres. Both support ODBC and JDBC as well as PERL, TCL, C++ and C bindings. Both can be administered remotely. Why not just use one of these.
"Of course, it'd be better if the ad was posted by a non-US resident; less chance of legal recourse, no matter how screwy that might be."
Yes somebody who lived in a free country.
I agree but watch out for a couple of things. One is that Postgresql does not explicitly suppoert outer joins. There are a couple of workarounds but it means manually translating all your queries. Also there is a 32 char limit on the default compilation for all object names. If you want longer object names you'll need to recompile (no big deal though). You will also want to put the postgres on it's own drive and format using bigger blocks. Oh yea also run without sync otherwise a bit performance hit.
Postgtres is very nice but limited in some ways. It's improving very fast though. If your main goal is to get rid of NT then you can also consider Oracle or interbase. Interbase will be opened up soon and oracle just dropped their prices (or atleast made them a little more flexable.)
"OK Kill my karma you damn slashdot moderator A$$holes I dont care anymore."
If I see one more post starting out this way I'm going to puke. Oh yea one more thing.
MS is not being sued for indcluding IE they are being sued because they bullied hardware manufacturers to EXCLUDE netscape.
There is nothing wrong with shipping an app with the OS. MS is not being tried for that. MS is being tried because they told DELL, Gateway etc. "if you also ship netscape we will charge you more for windows" In other words they are not being sued for including apps they are being sued for exluding competition by abusing their monopoly power.
Another clue. Being a monopoly is not illegal abusing that power is.
Those are our opinions and you are entitled to them. Like it or not though your opinions don't really matter so much. A federal judge gets to make that call. I'm sure he will be appealed then the supreme court will make that call.
I don't know you so I can't judge your credentials but I think I will give more weight to the opinion of an experienced federal judge.
It is withing the jurisdiction of the Federal Government to oversee interstate commerce. In fact it is one of the primary duties of the Federal Government. Therefore it is the DUTY of the DOJ to intervene when they think laws have been broken. It is the DUTY of the judge to listen to the case and make a judgement. That's how it works.
They knowingly entered a market (the OS market) knowing full well that MS had over 90% of that market. They were probably thinking they could squeak out a niche in some corner someplace and make few bucks until MS noticed them and crushed them (or bought them). Well it worked kind of. they got along for a while went public and probably made some bucks for some people but the public never went for it (being oh so comfortable in their little MS world).
So unable to actually sell the damn thing they are giving it away hoping to generate some interest.
What part of that did I get wrong?
Damn those socialists always trying to help other people, when will they ever straighten out.
MS killed any profit in the OS market. Who honestly thinks they can create an OS and charge for it when MS has 90% of the market. Be serious Open Source is a byproduct of MS monopoly just as BE giving away the OS is.
Be never had a chance in the first place. Who were they kidding thinking they could go up against MS and win.
"If you want something to be open source, get off your ass and write something that's open source. Criticizing other people for what they choose to do with their own software does nothing but annoy people."
Isn't the point of open source that you shouldn't have to duplicate other peoples work? Why even have open source if every tom, dick and jane has to start from scratch and write their own slashdot? The original poster was right the ideal is to relase early and release often.
Will paradox be included in your office? If not could you please explain the roadblocks that prevent it from being ported. Linux desperately needs a RAD database aplication tool.
Isn't it absurd. Corporations have no soul, are immortal, and are designed to avoid personal responsibility and yet they have rights.
I think that if a corporation has first amendment rights it can make a case for second amendment rights. Can you see it. MS arms itself to fend off the DOJ thereby declaring war against the US. I would love to see that just so the supreme court can see the absurdity of their ruling.
So what man. It's plenty good enough for me and it's free. This is one thing you keep ignoring dude. ITS FUCKING FREE AND ITS GOOD ENOUGH AND IT KEEPS GETTING BETTER.
If you really want the goddamned paper clip pay for it. If you really want photoshop pay for it. I really don't understand this bug you got up your butt. Most office users I know write a letter to grandma once a month or so and that's about it. Why pay over $300 for something just to do that?
interesting. It seems like this is a loophole in the GPL. Governmental agencies can trump the GPL with secrecy claims.
Oh man that was too funny. You made my day.
I imagine the giving will stop once the DOJ is done with it's business. IMHO all this charity business is just a PR expense to try and repair his evil empire image. I don't think he has a charitable bone in his body.
I think the point is that in a shop full of unix sysadmins getting an NT sysadmin is going to cost big extra bucks (even if it's a one time charge). It may be cheaper to switch the accounting system.
Hey neat idea!. I'm going to play with it for a while and it's just exactly what I've been looking for. Do you have any Java examples? I think it would be awsome to get to it from an applet.
Can you please point me to a HOWTO that helps me achieve "interoperability with people who are using Microsoft Windows."? I am really looking forward to exchanging MS access databases, Excel spreadsheets and Word documents while using Linux.
Also maybe you should drop a note off to Dell telling them they should not force me to buy windows or office when I want one of their excellant and cheap computers.