Re:Not the only person in US history ....
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"Padilla is an enemy combatant"
This is a circular argument. Padilla is a citizen of the US. Padilla was declared to be an enemy combatant by the president who then ordered him "disappeared". He was arrested in the Ohare airport by the FBI. That's american soil, a public place, by civilian authorities.
The whole point is that George Bush can make anybody disappear at anytime by simply pointing at their name and saying the words "enemy combatant". That's all it takes. If the person is in the United States at the time that person will just go away and nobody knows where (my suspicion is that they are sent to another country to be tortured most likely israel). If they are not in the US they will be assassinated by the CIA like the guy who got a missle shot at him in Yemen (that guy was also an american citizen).
This is no different then what happens in south america. The people the govt doesn't like disapear.
My W2K randomly locks up all the time. Usually it's just sitting there when explorer.exe crashes and then you are lucky if you can get it to reboot without hitting the switch. I thought the crashes would reduce once I stopped using IE but they haven't. I must say though that mozilla is much more stable then IE.
Hitler built a concentration camp for jews, Bush built a concentration camp for muslims. Hitler tortured jews, Bush tortures muslims. Hitler invaded poland Bush will invade Iraq.
"You are the guy that does not want "foreigners" in "our" Space Shuttle and you are accusing someone else of being in the KKK?"
That's right. The KKK are racists while I am a nationalist. I don't want to pay for any foreign military personell to go into space and to learn from our space program. It's my tax dollars and it should be there to benefit me and my fellow americans. I have objection to the race of any space shuttle crew as long they are american citizens.
"Whoever said you need to be over at Democrat Underground is right. You are just a neo-Nazi."
Once again nazis are racists (like republicans). I don't care if there are jewish crew on the space shuttle as long they are american citizens. My objection is not to jews being on the space shuttle it's to israelis being on the space shuttle.
What you apparently don't understand is that there are jews who are not israeli citizens and there are israeli citizens who are not jews. You can do some research and find out about other nations very easily on the internet and I would urge you to do so. It's obvious you are suffering from profound ignorance on these matters.
"I have not met any right wing Socialists, but have met and read plenty of left wing Fascists."
The term fascist is actually a right wing term. Facists believed in corporate rule which is very republican. Facists also believed in silencing the opposition which is what republicans do. If you look at Hitler and Moussalini you will find that they are very close to George Bush in mindset.
"Hitler was one, the head of the German Nationalist Socialist Workers Party."
Hitler was a racist Nazi. rebpublicans are racist nazis. You will never meet a democrat who thinks setting up contration camps is a good idea and yet this republican admnistration has already set up one in cuba and at least one in afghanistan.
"Full government control of individual speech, just like PC Democrats of today. "
it's the rebublicans who want to control your personal life like who can have sex with, when you can have sex with them and whether to be able use birth control or not. The republicans have been very succesful at shutting out the press so far.
"Book burnings (Huck Finn, etc), just like Democrats."
Book burnings are usually held by right wing republican born again christians (much like the cross burnings). Literacy is a liberal value, liberals value books while republicans want to ban them. Liberals value education while republicans bash it. To a republican there is nothing worse then a "intellectual elite" while liberals strive to be intellectual as possible. The only thing republicans hate more then the "intellectual elite" are teachers.
"I fail to see your point."
Republicans bomb abortion clinics, do abortion clinic workers bomb churches or republican headquarters? Was timothy McVeigh a democrat or a republican? Are the people who burn crosses and drag black people behind their trucks republican or democrat?
Republicans believe that every problem can be solved by killing. For example take Iraq. The republicans believe that the only possible solution to this problem is kill as many Iraquis as possible. The republicans believe that Droping daisy cutters on a hapless population is sure to cure whatever ails you. Look at it this way. Colin Powell is either directly or indirectly responsible for killing anywhere from 50 thousand to 100 thousand people and he is the moderate one in this administration. Scary thought huh?
I don't think military personell from other counttries belong on our space shuttle. I don't want to pay to send other people to space.
"you hate jews and you want the USA to surrender to Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein or any old thug that says boo"
I am sure this is hilarious at the klan meetings but it's not that funny here.
"now, go back with your Nazi buddies in the "democrat underground" and leave the nice people alone."
The term Nazi is most applicaple to the right wing. Democrats don't like to kill, it's the republicans that like to kill. Did you ever hear of an abortion doctor putting a bullet in the head of a priest?
I checked the spafelight site too. Once again this guy never actually worked as a scientist and is only known for his ability to drop bombs on people. If you have any links to any anywhere indicating that this guy actually worked as a scientist then post them here. You can continue to post as a coward if you like.
As I said before. The israelis got to space the way they do everything else, on the backs of the american tax payers. Israel gets anywhere from three to five billion in US aid every year and nasa spaceflight budget is around six billion. Considering that the NASA budget supports 10 flight and research centers it seems like the israelis could build their own space program just from US welfare. Instead they use it to kill people.
Yes he has a degree so fucking what. Every damned officer has a degree. Did he do any actual work as a scientist? No he just killed people for a living.
here is a page from a pro israeli web site about his accomplishments. I'll summarize them for you. He knew how to fly military airplanes, he dropped bombs on people. There ya go.
BTW thanks for the link I'd never been there before.
"Because we have a peaceful science exchange with the rest of the world (and a lethal science exchange program with our allies)."
If that is the case then why not invite a scientist?
"Nothing on the shuttle is classified when it is a civilian mission"
If military personell are on board then how can the mission be civilian. Is this guy a scientist? From my reading about him it does not seem to be so. He is famous for killing people by dropping bombs on them. Hardly scientific and hardly civilian.
I guess the Israelis got into space like they do everything else, on the backs of the american tax payers.
"lthough, the Israeli on the Shuttle was the one who participated in the unprovoked attack on the Iraqi nuclear facility in 1981, well before Iraq demonstrated extra-territorial ambitions in the region."
Does anybody know why he was there in the first place? Why are we paying to send israeli soldiers into space? Aren't they already sucking up enough of our tax dollars already?
When our bombs are killing them by the thousands you can bet your ass americans will be reveling in it. So much so that people will be writing songs about kicking their asses and the songs will be in the top ten. Where is your cultural divide?
No he can't. GW has staked his manhood on killing iraquis and nothing in the world will stop him from doing it. Did you see a recent BC cartoon. It depcits GW as a god sent avenger in a holy war against islam. GW sees himself as Gods soldier. He takes his orders from god and nothing any man says or does will deter him.
No he is luckiest president ever. He was a joke till 9-11. 9-11 was the best thing to ever happen to George Bush. If it didn't happen to him he would have to do something similar himself.
You can believe anything you want. I am simply pointing out that we have a basis for making a judgement based on facts and not belief. At one time in history there was no government redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor. THis happened both in europe and america. During those times the middle class disapeared and the wealth concentrated in the hands of a very small number of people. Today in countries in which there is no redistribution that same situation exists.
The evidence is solid. Without redistribution the middle class disappears. You may of course continue to believe anything you want.
Capitalism does redistribute the money, from the poor to the rich. In a purely capitalisitc system the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Capitalism is like the game of risk. Once a company get strong enough all the other companies can be crushed or bought out altogether. If capitalism was left alone there would be one or two companies in the world that would own everything and the majority shares in those companies would be held by a few dozen people.
Of course as I said before before that happened there would be a revolution, the rich would be killed and their assets seized and redistributed. That's what history shows us anyway. This is why most modern capitalistic countries redistribute the wealth just enough to prevent the masses from being desparate enough to revolt.
" Even without redistribution, Europe and the US would have more equitible wealth distribution than most third world countries"
What is your basis for saying this? In the past both the US and europe had no redistribution and wealth indeed concentrated in the hands of a few. History is plain and clear on this. Why would you say something like that when the history so obviously contradicts your point.
"Also its not your percentage of the pie that counts, its the absolute size of your slice."
Again that's wrong. In a country without redistribution your slice of the pie can only grow smaller and there is no hope for bettering your life or your children's.
"The market system is defined by the following characteristics: 1. rule of law 2. individual freedom 3. reliance on the price system "
Yes that's one theory. There are hundred others. The economy is a inexact science much like psycology. Any theory which claims to understand the economic patterns and motivations of 5 billion people of varying colors, races and cultures is sure to be wrong.
"They have tradition based economies, very little freedom, and high levels of corruption."
They have the same amount of corruption as our country does. In our country we have made bribery legal in their countries it happens illegally. The law does not apply to the rich and powerful because the rich and powerful make the laws. As a drunk playboy kid Gearoge Bush could have walked into any police station in texas, dumped a line of coke on the police chiefs desk and snorted it knowing the worse that could possibly happen to him would be that the police chief would give him a ride home.
"In fact, Europe is much more capitalistic than most third world countries."
It depends on what you mean by capitalistic. Certainly most people here on slashdot would now use the word "capitalistic" when describing europe. The word seems to be socialistic.
"People need to get it through their heads that pay has nothing to do with your value to society"
It has everything to do with your power. Power is very important.
"It has to do with the relative scarcity of your abilities."
It has nothing to do with your abilities. Most of the really rich people in the world inherited their money.
"YOUR PAY IS NOT A FUNCTION OF YOUR SELF-WORTH."
That's silly of course it is. We live in a capitalistic society and your self worth is measured only in dollars and cents.
"Besides, who's to say that one occupation is somehow more important than another."
Everybody. Everybody judges everybody.
"Price (eg. wages, rent, etc) are simply the market's way of signaling what is in short supply"
Not when it comes to salaries. Like I said it all depends on who your parents are.
Re:The predicted chain of events according to me
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Your argument falls apart at number 4.
Sure US manufacturers sell stuff but so to european and asian manufacturers. In fact the asian manufacturers enjow a competitive advantage because not only is the cost overhead lower so is their management overhead. Your typical asian CEO gets much less then an American one.
Also as more and more people get pissed off about US foreign policy more and more people will avoid american products. There is already a movement to boycott american products in europe and the middle east. Time will tell if the boycott is successful but I don't see why it would not be if competing european and asian products exist.
The natural inclination of money is to concentrate in the hands of the fewest people possible. If left to their "natural" state all the wealth in the country will be concentrated in the hands of a few families.
After the wealth gets concentrated to such degree there is usually a bloody revolution in which the rich are killed and the wealth gets redistributed and the whole cycle starts again.
The US govt redistributes wealth just enough to prevent a revolution in other countries there is more or less redistribution. In most European countries there is more redistribution for example while in most third world countries there is very little. This is why in most most third world coutries there is no middle class and almost everything is owned by a few families.
It depends on what kind of a country you want. If you want a middle class of any sort then the govt must redistribute the wealth otherwise you get a 99 to 1 percent wealth distribution.
Huh? If this was true then the rich would be getting poorer and the poor would be getting richer. It does not work that way.
Bill Gates keeps getting richer because people with less money are turning over their earnings to him. Sure he spends some money which flows downhill but more money flows uphill then down and thus he is getting richer every day.
Re:Open source + government interest = ?
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You are so mistaken as to be beyond belief. Please read first before posting.
In this case the project isn't "being managed or controlled" by the govt. From the FAQ posted in the Kroupware web site.
"1.3. Is the German government sponsoring/supporting the project?
To be very precise the project is _not_ "funded", "supported" or "sponsored" by the German Government. This would missrepresent that fact that the Kroupware project is a regular commercial business contract after we've won the tender to deliver a solution for the groupware needs of the BSI (compare answer 1.1). The participating companies organise the open development of this Free Software aiming to create the best technical result for the BSI regarding the contract."
It's being developed by commercial companies who won a contract with the govt. In this case the govt and the companies don't mind releasing the resultant product under the GPL.
Win-Win-Win for everybody (except MS of course). The govt gets what they want, the development is done in the commercial sector, the consumers benefit by having access to high quality software.
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"Padilla is an enemy combatant"
This is a circular argument. Padilla is a citizen of the US. Padilla was declared to be an enemy combatant by the president who then ordered him "disappeared". He was arrested in the Ohare airport by the FBI. That's american soil, a public place, by civilian authorities.
The whole point is that George Bush can make anybody disappear at anytime by simply pointing at their name and saying the words "enemy combatant". That's all it takes. If the person is in the United States at the time that person will just go away and nobody knows where (my suspicion is that they are sent to another country to be tortured most likely israel). If they are not in the US they will be assassinated by the CIA like the guy who got a missle shot at him in Yemen (that guy was also an american citizen).
This is no different then what happens in south america. The people the govt doesn't like disapear.
My W2K randomly locks up all the time. Usually it's just sitting there when explorer.exe crashes and then you are lucky if you can get it to reboot without hitting the switch. I thought the crashes would reduce once I stopped using IE but they haven't. I must say though that mozilla is much more stable then IE.
Unfortunately the non developers are all to content to stand in the sidelines and ridicule the developers.
Where are the GUI gurus, the artistic types, the aesthetes when it comes time to roll up your sleeves and get to work?
Hitler built a concentration camp for jews, Bush built a concentration camp for muslims. Hitler tortured jews, Bush tortures muslims. Hitler invaded poland Bush will invade Iraq.
Bush = Hitler.
"You are the guy that does not want "foreigners" in "our" Space Shuttle and you are accusing someone else of being in the KKK?"
That's right. The KKK are racists while I am a nationalist. I don't want to pay for any foreign military personell to go into space and to learn from our space program. It's my tax dollars and it should be there to benefit me and my fellow americans. I have objection to the race of any space shuttle crew as long they are american citizens.
"Whoever said you need to be over at Democrat Underground is right. You are just a neo-Nazi."
Once again nazis are racists (like republicans). I don't care if there are jewish crew on the space shuttle as long they are american citizens. My objection is not to jews being on the space shuttle it's to israelis being on the space shuttle.
What you apparently don't understand is that there are jews who are not israeli citizens and there are israeli citizens who are not jews. You can do some research and find out about other nations very easily on the internet and I would urge you to do so. It's obvious you are suffering from profound ignorance on these matters.
Once again. Jew != Israeli. Got that?
"I have not met any right wing Socialists, but have met and read plenty of left wing Fascists."
The term fascist is actually a right wing term. Facists believed in corporate rule which is very republican. Facists also believed in silencing the opposition which is what republicans do. If you look at Hitler and Moussalini you will find that they are very close to George Bush in mindset.
"Hitler was one, the head of the German Nationalist Socialist Workers Party."
Hitler was a racist Nazi. rebpublicans are racist nazis. You will never meet a democrat who thinks setting up contration camps is a good idea and yet this republican admnistration has already set up one in cuba and at least one in afghanistan.
"Full government control of individual speech, just like PC Democrats of today. "
it's the rebublicans who want to control your personal life like who can have sex with, when you can have sex with them and whether to be able use birth control or not. The republicans have been very succesful at shutting out the press so far.
"Book burnings (Huck Finn, etc), just like Democrats."
Book burnings are usually held by right wing republican born again christians (much like the cross burnings). Literacy is a liberal value, liberals value books while republicans want to ban them. Liberals value education while republicans bash it. To a republican there is nothing worse then a "intellectual elite" while liberals strive to be intellectual as possible. The only thing republicans hate more then the "intellectual elite" are teachers.
"I fail to see your point."
Republicans bomb abortion clinics, do abortion clinic workers bomb churches or republican headquarters? Was timothy McVeigh a democrat or a republican? Are the people who burn crosses and drag black people behind their trucks republican or democrat?
Republicans believe that every problem can be solved by killing. For example take Iraq. The republicans believe that the only possible solution to this problem is kill as many Iraquis as possible. The republicans believe that Droping daisy cutters on a hapless population is sure to cure whatever ails you. Look at it this way. Colin Powell is either directly or indirectly responsible for killing anywhere from 50 thousand to 100 thousand people and he is the moderate one in this administration. Scary thought huh?
"now you say you saw it"
Like I said thanks.
"you don't think fighter pilots belong in space"
I don't think military personell from other counttries belong on our space shuttle. I don't want to pay to send other people to space.
"you hate jews and you want the USA to surrender to Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein or any old thug that says boo"
I am sure this is hilarious at the klan meetings but it's not that funny here.
"now, go back with your Nazi buddies in the "democrat underground" and leave the nice people alone."
The term Nazi is most applicaple to the right wing. Democrats don't like to kill, it's the republicans that like to kill. Did you ever hear of an abortion doctor putting a bullet in the head of a priest?
I checked the spafelight site too. Once again this guy never actually worked as a scientist and is only known for his ability to drop bombs on people. If you have any links to any anywhere indicating that this guy actually worked as a scientist then post them here. You can continue to post as a coward if you like.
As I said before. The israelis got to space the way they do everything else, on the backs of the american tax payers. Israel gets anywhere from three to five billion in US aid every year and nasa spaceflight budget is around six billion. Considering that the NASA budget supports 10 flight and research centers it seems like the israelis could build their own space program just from US welfare. Instead they use it to kill people.
Yes he has a degree so fucking what. Every damned officer has a degree. Did he do any actual work as a scientist? No he just killed people for a living.
here is a page from a pro israeli web site about his accomplishments. I'll summarize them for you. He knew how to fly military airplanes, he dropped bombs on people. There ya go.
BTW thanks for the link I'd never been there before.
"Because we have a peaceful science exchange with the rest of the world (and a lethal science exchange program with our allies)."
If that is the case then why not invite a scientist?
"Nothing on the shuttle is classified when it is a civilian mission"
If military personell are on board then how can the mission be civilian. Is this guy a scientist? From my reading about him it does not seem to be so. He is famous for killing people by dropping bombs on them. Hardly scientific and hardly civilian.
I guess the Israelis got into space like they do everything else, on the backs of the american tax payers.
Why are we giving the military personell from other countries a ride on the space shuttle? Doesn't that strike you as a security risk?
We give billions of dollars a year to israel you'd think that would be enough.
Great sig.
"lthough, the Israeli on the Shuttle was the one who participated in the unprovoked attack on the Iraqi nuclear facility in 1981, well before Iraq demonstrated extra-territorial ambitions in the region."
Does anybody know why he was there in the first place? Why are we paying to send israeli soldiers into space? Aren't they already sucking up enough of our tax dollars already?
When our bombs are killing them by the thousands you can bet your ass americans will be reveling in it. So much so that people will be writing songs about kicking their asses and the songs will be in the top ten. Where is your cultural divide?
Why? Just because the dead guy was an isreali? Wishing iraquis dead is good but wishing israelis dead is sick? why?
"Saddam does still have the ability to avert war"
No he can't. GW has staked his manhood on killing iraquis and nothing in the world will stop him from doing it. Did you see a recent BC cartoon. It depcits GW as a god sent avenger in a holy war against islam. GW sees himself as Gods soldier. He takes his orders from god and nothing any man says or does will deter him.
No he is luckiest president ever. He was a joke till 9-11. 9-11 was the best thing to ever happen to George Bush. If it didn't happen to him he would have to do something similar himself.
Was he american too? Have given other nations military personaell rides on the shuttle too?
You can believe anything you want. I am simply pointing out that we have a basis for making a judgement based on facts and not belief. At one time in history there was no government redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor. THis happened both in europe and america. During those times the middle class disapeared and the wealth concentrated in the hands of a very small number of people. Today in countries in which there is no redistribution that same situation exists.
The evidence is solid. Without redistribution the middle class disappears. You may of course continue to believe anything you want.
Capitalism does redistribute the money, from the poor to the rich. In a purely capitalisitc system the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Capitalism is like the game of risk. Once a company get strong enough all the other companies can be crushed or bought out altogether. If capitalism was left alone there would be one or two companies in the world that would own everything and the majority shares in those companies would be held by a few dozen people.
Of course as I said before before that happened there would be a revolution, the rich would be killed and their assets seized and redistributed. That's what history shows us anyway. This is why most modern capitalistic countries redistribute the wealth just enough to prevent the masses from being desparate enough to revolt.
" Even without redistribution, Europe and the US would have more equitible wealth distribution than most third world countries"
What is your basis for saying this? In the past both the US and europe had no redistribution and wealth indeed concentrated in the hands of a few. History is plain and clear on this. Why would you say something like that when the history so obviously contradicts your point.
"Also its not your percentage of the pie that counts, its the absolute size of your slice."
Again that's wrong. In a country without redistribution your slice of the pie can only grow smaller and there is no hope for bettering your life or your children's.
"The market system is defined by the following characteristics: 1. rule of law 2. individual freedom 3. reliance on the price system "
Yes that's one theory. There are hundred others. The economy is a inexact science much like psycology. Any theory which claims to understand the economic patterns and motivations of 5 billion people of varying colors, races and cultures is sure to be wrong.
"They have tradition based economies, very little freedom, and high levels of corruption."
They have the same amount of corruption as our country does. In our country we have made bribery legal in their countries it happens illegally. The law does not apply to the rich and powerful because the rich and powerful make the laws. As a drunk playboy kid Gearoge Bush could have walked into any police station in texas, dumped a line of coke on the police chiefs desk and snorted it knowing the worse that could possibly happen to him would be that the police chief would give him a ride home.
"In fact, Europe is much more capitalistic than most third world countries."
It depends on what you mean by capitalistic. Certainly most people here on slashdot would now use the word "capitalistic" when describing europe. The word seems to be socialistic.
"People need to get it through their heads that pay has nothing to do with your value to society"
It has everything to do with your power. Power is very important.
"It has to do with the relative scarcity of your abilities."
It has nothing to do with your abilities. Most of the really rich people in the world inherited their money.
"YOUR PAY IS NOT A FUNCTION OF YOUR SELF-WORTH."
That's silly of course it is. We live in a capitalistic society and your self worth is measured only in dollars and cents.
"Besides, who's to say that one occupation is somehow more important than another."
Everybody. Everybody judges everybody.
"Price (eg. wages, rent, etc) are simply the market's way of signaling what is in short supply"
Not when it comes to salaries. Like I said it all depends on who your parents are.
Your argument falls apart at number 4.
Sure US manufacturers sell stuff but so to european and asian manufacturers. In fact the asian manufacturers enjow a competitive advantage because not only is the cost overhead lower so is their management overhead. Your typical asian CEO gets much less then an American one.
Also as more and more people get pissed off about US foreign policy more and more people will avoid american products. There is already a movement to boycott american products in europe and the middle east. Time will tell if the boycott is successful but I don't see why it would not be if competing european and asian products exist.
The natural inclination of money is to concentrate in the hands of the fewest people possible. If left to their "natural" state all the wealth in the country will be concentrated in the hands of a few families.
After the wealth gets concentrated to such degree there is usually a bloody revolution in which the rich are killed and the wealth gets redistributed and the whole cycle starts again.
The US govt redistributes wealth just enough to prevent a revolution in other countries there is more or less redistribution. In most European countries there is more redistribution for example while in most third world countries there is very little. This is why in most most third world coutries there is no middle class and almost everything is owned by a few families.
It depends on what kind of a country you want. If you want a middle class of any sort then the govt must redistribute the wealth otherwise you get a 99 to 1 percent wealth distribution.
"Money flows downhill."
Huh? If this was true then the rich would be getting poorer and the poor would be getting richer. It does not work that way.
Bill Gates keeps getting richer because people with less money are turning over their earnings to him. Sure he spends some money which flows downhill but more money flows uphill then down and thus he is getting richer every day.
You are so mistaken as to be beyond belief. Please read first before posting.
In this case the project isn't "being managed or controlled" by the govt. From the FAQ posted in the Kroupware web site.
"1.3. Is the German government sponsoring/supporting the project?
To be very precise the project is _not_ "funded", "supported" or "sponsored" by the German Government. This would missrepresent that fact that the Kroupware project is a regular commercial business contract after we've won the tender to deliver a solution for the groupware needs of the BSI (compare answer 1.1). The participating companies organise the open development of this Free Software aiming to create the best technical result for the BSI regarding the contract."
It's being developed by commercial companies who won a contract with the govt. In this case the govt and the companies don't mind releasing the resultant product under the GPL.
Win-Win-Win for everybody (except MS of course). The govt gets what they want, the development is done in the commercial sector, the consumers benefit by having access to high quality software.