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"Cut off diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia unless they hand over anyone involved in or planning terrorism against the U.S. "
Given that there are billions of Saudi dollars invested in the US economy you are risking a serious economic slowdown if you do this. Unless of course you actually steal that money by freezing it (which I am sure no republican would object to)
"Give consistent moral support Israel's efforts to wipe out Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Al Aksa Martyr's. "
How would that be different then what we do now? We don't even object or raise a fuss when the Israeli govt kills or tortures american citizens who are arabs. Imagine of some other countries military killed or tortured white christian american citizens. As things stand now Sharon tells Dubya what he is going to do and dubya says "yes sir how much money do you need".
"Declare war against Iraq and remove the Baath party from power. "
Iraq has never done anything to the US. They were not involved in 9-11, they have never attacked US soil. They were our proxies in the US war against iran. All this despite the fact there has never been a 6 month period in the last 10 years that we did not drop at least one bomb on iraqui soil.
Do you really want to be the first democratic country in the history of the world to declare a unilateral war on another country without provocation?
"Tell the current Iranian regime that they will be next unless they turn over anyone involved in or planning attacks against the U.S. or its citizens."
I think they know this already. Nobody thinks dubyas war against the infidels (muslims) is going to stop in iraq. Iran. syria, somalia, libya, yemen, saudi arabia all know they are "next".
"Doctor: anyone who can't set a broken bone is an idiot!"
I would hardly call opening up a text file and editing it a skill that compares to setting a bone. If you want to run a web site I would think that at some time you might have to open up a file with an editor and make some changes to it. In fact the file you would be working on might look somewhat like th apache configuration file.
So I'll stick with my original point. Anybody who can not open up a text file and make some changes to it is an idiot of the highest degree. This goes double for people running web sites.
"There are more people who can ride a pushbike than can fly an F22. What's your point?"
My point is that you are liar. You were lying when you said there are more people who know oracle then mysql. In fact you to emphasize the point that you are a liar you have rephrased my own post when I was talking about how insanely complex oracle was to setup, install and run. Thanks.
1) You don't know who this party is and therefore it could very well be Microsoft.
2) The NSA is like most other govt agencies in that it employs and contracts with an army of lawyers. There is zero percent probability that every single lawyer for the NSA is somehow only knowledgable about security.
3) The GPL is a very simple document as far as legal documents go. I can read it and understand it and so can millions of laymen all across the world. Not only that there have been countless articles written about it in all kinds of forums. If you spent a half a day searching on google you would know the GPL inside out. Despite this you keep asserting that real life lawyers working for one of the most elite govt agencies in the world are simply unable to read or interpret this simple document. Not only that but they are so ignorant that they are unable to do searches on google and read about other people's analysis of the GPL on the internet. The lawyer(s) assigned to the task of studying this simple document are lazy, incompetent, and illeterate right?
"Ah, you are making the classical geek mistake of assuming that people who don't share your particular narrow technical specialty are idiots. "
No I am making the assumption that people who can not open up a text file and edit it are idiots. I'd say that was a reasonable assumption. Windows is written for idiots and ms is proud of that. Idiots love windows.
"The reason we are expensive is because we can do things that MySQL admins can't even imagine."
I just want you to go ahead and lie for real instead of playing these stupid word games. Please say the following sentence.
"there are more people who can install, configure, and maintain oracle then there are people who can install, configure, and maintain mysql"
That was your original point and I want you to repeat it so I can call you a liar again.
Who moderated this up so high? Where is the evidence? Who is this "party"? DO you really expect everybody here to believe that the NSA is incapable of understanding the GPL? Are you really saying that the NSA employs no lawyers or that their lawyers are insanely stupid?
Put up or shut up. Spill the evidence if you have any any.
" In the future I'll be sure to pass because it is clear that with attitudes like yours OSS will go nowhere in the areas of user friendly UI development."
It sounds like you were going to pass anyways. Why try to blame it on some guy on slashdot. It's obvious from reading your posts that you did not intend to contribute in any way whatsoever. Maybe somebody else will maybe nobody else will so what? That's the way this game is played.
"A Windows guy is not going to think Apache is fantastic"
It's true that most windows users are idiots. Windows is written for idiots and appeals to idiots. Most people who run web sites however are smarter then your average windows idiot luser. For them it's just as easy to open up a text file and type something. That goes double for developing a database backed web site using a programming language.
"But name anyone who makes money running a huge website (Slashdot excluded, they don't make money) with MySQL. There may be some, but anyone who is doing serious business isn't going to be using MySQL."
This is where you could not be more wrong. There are a ton of web sites running php and mysql but most of the time it's impossible to tell which database is being used behind the php web site. Just last week I ordered something from insight.com (a massive php site) and while I was looking for IDS systems I noticed that the people who make realsecure are running php. COnsidering that insight makes a ton of money and that realsecure costs over $90,000.00 They are probably making some money too.
"If someone trying to learn Apache, MySQL and PHP are trying to learn it using just the documentation, well, good luck. I could understand it, but I have been doing it for a while. If it was so good, well, how come there are a ton of books on those subjects?"
If you can not learn how to use php from their documentation then you are simply too stupid to live. It's clearly written, it is generously annotated and explained and contains lots of examples. Same with apache and mysql. As for the books you are grasping at straws there I am afraid. Go to Barnes and noble and count the number of books on VB or C# or ASP and compare that number with books on php.
"No they don't. But there ARE alot of people who know Oracle. Probably more then know MySQL."
THis is also a big fat lie. The reason Oracle DBAs cost a lot of money is because they are rare and oracle is extrememly difficult to install, configure and run. I bet the ratio of people who can install, configure and run mysql to oracle DBAs is at least ten to one. I can go download a windows installer for mysql and download mysql front and be up and running in an hour. Do that with oracle!
Pure unadultrated bullshit. Maybe next time you won't have to rely on lying to make a point. The ports of apache, php and mysql on windows are fantastic.
"If it's not well documented, and well known stuff(by more then open source folks), then it's not going to happen."
The apache, php, and mysql documentation is top notch. What do you find so objectionable about them? The php documentation is particularly awsome. As for well known let me present you with a few facts.
PHP is more popular then ASP. More people know php then ASP. It is also easier to learn then VB.
Apache is more popular then IIS. More people know apache then IIS.
Mysql is one of the most widely used databases in the world. The primary reason for that is the ease of use and maintenance. More people know mysql administration then MS sql or oracle. On top of that any DBA worth two cents can pick up mysql in a day.
"That company is going to have to hire a consultant to fix things if they need to add things to it "
I suppose when things break in oracle or ms sql the programs automatically fix themselves.
" Backing things up is important."
Both mysql and postgres offer live backup and replication.
In fact postgres has many features commercial databases don't have like an awsome rule subsystem and user definable types, operators and aggregate functions. In fact it has so many extremely neat features it's an ideal database geek toy. I prefer it vastly to MS sql server.
Yes but apache, php, mysql all run on windows too. That's the cool thing about using open source they try real hard not to lock you into an operating system. Choose an MS solution and you are stuck with MS and windows.
" I just think VS.NET makes a hell of a difference when it comes to raw productivity, "
Yada Yada I don't care what you think. I care that you chose to use "bombing open source developers back to the stone age" metaphor. This was the same terminology that people used when describing the US bombing of the taliban and al quada in afghanistan. Apparently you wanted people to associate open source developers with the taliban and alqada specifically and terrorists generally. This is in keeping with MS executives trying to smear open source developers with labels lice "cancer", "communist" and "un american". It is also in keeping MS executives using mass murderer terms to talk about competition like "knifing the baby" and "cutting off the air supply".
"ps: my OSS is solely for Win32/.NET and BSD licensed, but still open source."
Good for you becuase it is illegal for you to produce GPLed code using VS.NET. It says so right in the EULA. It's also illegal to write GPLed code which uses the.NET framework.
"VisualStudio.NET bombs the Linux developer right back to the stone age."
Fist MS called open source developers communists, then they called open source a cancer now they are associating open source developers with Al Quada terrorists.
The tone get more violent as time goes on, the analogies grow more hateful as time goes along. I think it's time to be scared if you are an open source developer. It's clear MS is trying to incite the masses into committing violence against open source developers and advocates.
I have heard of group policy. Have you ever used it? It's a piece of shit. Same goes for roaming profiles, terminal server, etc. MS makes crappy products that promise much more then they deliver. I have not used the SUS but reading their FAQ it looks like I would have to go from desktop to desktop and install the client. If it's anything like SMS or anything else from MS it will be half usable piece of shit.
Every product MS makes delivers 70% of what the white papers promise.
Let's say you need to update a 100 windows machines when MS finally get around to issuing a patch. What do you do? Go to each machine and press windows update, answer a a few questions, click a few buttons, and reboot at least once.
Let's say you need to do the same thing with a 100 debian machines. You write a script which takes about 15 minutes and you run it.
Perhaps the people in Russia don't have the same image of the US govt the US citizens do. I am sure the russians have a healthy distrust of the russian govt but their image of the US may be skewed by watching too many episodes of I love genie or dallas. It's kind of ironic that the average american geek distrusts the US govt more then the average russian geek.
"No, MICROSOFT called the GPL a disease. I merely explained how it was less innacurate than calling the FSF a republican front."
Nobody called FSF a republican front.
There is no way calling the GPL a disease is within a solar system of the truth. I fully expect MS executives to lie at every opportunity. In fact I suspect that failing to lie 5 times before lunch is a fireable offense at microsoft. What I don't expect is ordinary people sticking up for them and claiming there is some truth in it.
"and that pretty much says it all about your position, why defend your (indefensible and inchoate) position when you can just spout cheap ad hominem personal attacks without ever having to support your claims?"
Look man I said I wasn't going to but here I will take one example to show you how wrong you are. In your original post you said.
" The vast majority of Technology CEOs supported Clinton and Gore, and routinely give big donations to the Democratic Party.
2. The vast majority of CEOs in the Finance sectors (stock brokerages, investment banks, bond houses) are also Democrats and are amongst the Dems biggest contributors"
Ok it's the truth but it's not the whole truth nor is it nothing but the truth.
First of all the tech sector and the banking sector do not form a majority of businesses in this country. Even if both statements are true this still does not represent a majority of CEOs.
Secondly I would like to see you provide one iota of evidence that "The vast majority of CEOs in the Finance sectors" are democrats. What do you mean by a vast majority? 70%? 80%? Go ahead prove it or shut up.
Thirdly. Even if a CEO gives more to the Democrats then Republicans the corporation that they oversee frequently give more money to republicans. Take microsoft for example. MS employees give more money to democrats but MS the corporation gives more money to republicans.
There is no two ways about it. Corporations give more money to republicans and unions give more money to democrats.
"The "Left-Right" War rubbish you are talking about is disproved by two simple (and recent) votes of Congress."
Listen if all it takes is two votes to prove something to you then never mind.
Sure there are times when the parties work together to screw the people but that's because the right VS Left war is only a cultural one. The rich VS poor is the economic war. There is more then one war going on and sometimes the congressman work together to advance their own side in the rich vs poor war.
"which anyone can respond to with a "NRA Sticker in Berkely" example"
you know try as I might I can't find an incident like that anywhere. Sure you hear about republicans killing abortion doctors but you don't hear about abortion doctors killing priests. You hear about republicans beating and killing gay people but you never hear about gay people hunting down republicans and beating them. You hear about republicans painting swastikas on synagogs but you never hear of jews painting star of davids on the republican party buildings. I could go on and on. Are gays objecting to republicans being married? Are gays trying to push legislation denying housing to republicans?
And BTW please don't suggest that all those abortion clinic bombers, gay bashers, swastika painters and cross burners are not republican you know perfectly well they are.
"Go back and re-read mine. Yes, mixing code is voluntary, and getting a disease isn't."
Man you are a dense mutherfucker aren't you. Here let me say it again. STAY AWAY FROM GPLED CODE AND YOU WILL NEVER EVER HAVE TO WORRY. It's not a disease, it's not like a disease. It's a fucking software license and if you don't like it write your own fucking code.
"Yes, it is a bunch of bullshit. But it's well-aimed bullshit."
No it's just plain old bullshit. Busllshit as in it's a lie. Now you want to redefine the word lazy to backtrack on your own accusation. How Clinton of you. Did they teach you that in chuch? But your honor it depends on the what the word "lazy" means.
Moron.
"And it's also no more inaccurate than calling all Microsoft staff people "evil" or "facist." They're CAPITALISTS for God's sake!"
Listen not all capitalists are evil. Not all capitalists are liars. Not all capitalists are immoral. How dare you paint every single business person on the planet with the MS brush. MS are evil capitalists but there are plenty of honest, ethical capitalists too.
" If they were Facist, they really would write ther code so phrases like "Microsoft sucks" really couldn't be written--and the writing of such would be bee-lined to MS HQ for analaysis and follow-up."
Ever read any of their EULAS? They don't have to put it into the code they put it into the license. For a small example you are not allowed to create web sites that critisize MS using frontpage. You see even an example that you thought was absurd is actually true. It's not in the code it's in the license. And you dare to call GPL a disease.
"Responding to hatred and evil in kind is irrational and nonproductive."
Says who? You? You think turning the other cheek will make MS behave? Turn the other cheek and MS will smack it with a shovel.
"Respond to hatred and evil with truth and compassion. Respond to crimes and deceit with hatred."
Well since MS has been found guilty of crimes (twice!) and regularly practices deceit then it's perfectly OK to respond to them hatred. Your words not mine.
"And, OF COURSE, you WOULD go through it, but of course you won't -- because having to make a reasoned, rational, thoughtful case, rather than just spewing irrational, secular partisan rhetoric would require that you marshal facts, arrange data and make a convincing reasoned counter-argument."
MMM no. Your post was mostly half truths and no I still don't feel like going through it point by point.
"Strike One; Grandpa was an AFL-CIO shop steward. I think the American worker is getting screwed and that Big Labor is helping. The rising tax burden (back up to total marginal rates of 50% in Cali, NY, Mass, et al) is eroding his buying power, and ability to put together a decent retirement package or estate for his children. In my neighborhood 100K homes sell for 1M. Inflation is destroying the real income of the middle-class."
Wow nice string of non sequitors. Let's see if I understand what you are saying.
Your grandpa was a union member. Ok that's nice I guess what does that have to do with anything?
Big labor is screwing the american worker. HAH!. Very funny! Yes blame the unions for the screwing of the american worker, that's a good one. I suppose the republicans, the chamber of commerce and the corporations have nothing to do with that huh?
Rising tax rates are huring the working people. OK so are you saying that big labor is raising the taxes on the american people? Since when do the labor unions pass legislation?
Houses are expensive where you live: Yes. Probably because the population keeps growing while nobody is making more land. Move to a place where people are moving away. Oh the unions do not have the power to raise the cost of real estate sorry to break it to ya.
"No one with a brain thinks Bill O'Reilly is anything but an loud-mouthed entertainer. Even Limbaugh is more thoughtful (not to mention consistent) about his political positions"
The only people who think that O'Reilly is not a republican are people to the right of him. That means just to the left of Reagan. And you think Limbaugh is thoughtful. Then you claim you are not a republican. HAH!
"There is NO Left-Right War. There is no Left-Right anything is this country."
What hole do you live in man? Do you watch TV? Do you read the papers? There are a lot of wars in this country. Why do you think Limbaugh calls environmentalists "green nazis"? Why does he call feminists "feminazis"? There is a war and he wants to associate environmentalists and women who want equal pay with murderous regimes who killed 6 million Jews. Why does he do that? Because he wants to incite people to kill them that's why. Try this. Put a greenpeace sticker on your car and drive to montana. See how long it takes for you to be pulled over or have your winshield broken. There is most certainly a war the people like Oreilly and Limbaugh are the propaganda arms of that war. The desired result is a subjugation of the "liberals".
"Sure it is. If I mix some non-GPL code in with my program I get sick."
Go back and re-read my post. Mixing code is a voluntary activity cancer is not. How many times do I have to say that? The anology is false and stupid. MS makes that anology because it wants people to associate open source with a deadly disease. GPL does not kill people does it? GPL does not cause people to be bedridden and suffer horribly does it? GPL does not involve radiation therapy does it?
" But the FSF people are lazy jerks who would rather mess with the system than give it another chance,"
What a bunch of bullshit. The FSF are lazy? these people who volunteer their time to fight huge organizations and cartels? People who would in any other circumstance be making hundreds of thousands of dollars working for peanuts for a cause they believe in. That's your definition of lazy? Bullshit. Lazy is posting on slashdot.
"There's hating MS, and then they're IRRATIONALLY hating MS. Do the former, not the later, and Free "
I will re-state my original post. Although some hatred of MS is irrational most hatred of MS is a perfectly rational response to the hatred and evil MS spreads around.
Well that was a nice rant. But sorry it was kind of lame. I would go through it point by point but that would be kind of long so I will instead point out the following.
You are obviously anti union, you blame the "trial lawyers" for the countries ills and you don't think Bill O'Reilly is a conservative. Yea that sounds like a republican to me. I don't believe for one second that you voted for Nader.
As for the whole left-right thing sorry but that war is going on despite your denial. Republicans are at war with democrats. There may be bystanders but they will be killed. The democrats are losing this war and price for losing is severe. Being a prograssive person I choose not to stand by and be killed by the republican war machine. It's better to fight back at least that way you can die with honor and dignitity. I didn't start this war but I have to fight it just like you are doing. You are on the winning side at this moment but hopefully we can muster up the resources to counterattack and hold our position or gain ground soon. Otherwise we will all end up being palestenians.
Once again nobody has ever called for legislating away large vehicles. Honestly I don't know where you get this stuff from. Maybe there is a kook someplace that says that (after all there are kooks who say that the UN is invading america) but come on now. I don't think asking for a few more MPGs is all that catastrophic.
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"Cut off diplomatic ties with Saudi Arabia unless they hand over anyone involved in or planning terrorism against the U.S. "
Given that there are billions of Saudi dollars invested in the US economy you are risking a serious economic slowdown if you do this. Unless of course you actually steal that money by freezing it (which I am sure no republican would object to)
"Give consistent moral support Israel's efforts to wipe out Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Al Aksa Martyr's. "
How would that be different then what we do now? We don't even object or raise a fuss when the Israeli govt kills or tortures american citizens who are arabs. Imagine of some other countries military killed or tortured white christian american citizens. As things stand now Sharon tells Dubya what he is going to do and dubya says "yes sir how much money do you need".
"Declare war against Iraq and remove the Baath party from power. "
Iraq has never done anything to the US. They were not involved in 9-11, they have never attacked US soil. They were our proxies in the US war against iran. All this despite the fact there has never been a 6 month period in the last 10 years that we did not drop at least one bomb on iraqui soil.
Do you really want to be the first democratic country in the history of the world to declare a unilateral war on another country without provocation?
"Tell the current Iranian regime that they will be next unless they turn over anyone involved in or planning attacks against the U.S. or its citizens."
I think they know this already. Nobody thinks dubyas war against the infidels (muslims) is going to stop in iraq. Iran. syria, somalia, libya, yemen, saudi arabia all know they are "next".
"Doctor: anyone who can't set a broken bone is an idiot!"
I would hardly call opening up a text file and editing it a skill that compares to setting a bone. If you want to run a web site I would think that at some time you might have to open up a file with an editor and make some changes to it. In fact the file you would be working on might look somewhat like th apache configuration file.
So I'll stick with my original point. Anybody who can not open up a text file and make some changes to it is an idiot of the highest degree. This goes double for people running web sites.
"There are more people who can ride a pushbike than can fly an F22. What's your point?"
My point is that you are liar. You were lying when you said there are more people who know oracle then mysql. In fact you to emphasize the point that you are a liar you have rephrased my own post when I was talking about how insanely complex oracle was to setup, install and run. Thanks.
Three things.
1) You don't know who this party is and therefore it could very well be Microsoft.
2) The NSA is like most other govt agencies in that it employs and contracts with an army of lawyers. There is zero percent probability that every single lawyer for the NSA is somehow only knowledgable about security.
3) The GPL is a very simple document as far as legal documents go. I can read it and understand it and so can millions of laymen all across the world. Not only that there have been countless articles written about it in all kinds of forums. If you spent a half a day searching on google you would know the GPL inside out. Despite this you keep asserting that real life lawyers working for one of the most elite govt agencies in the world are simply unable to read or interpret this simple document. Not only that but they are so ignorant that they are unable to do searches on google and read about other people's analysis of the GPL on the internet. The lawyer(s) assigned to the task of studying this simple document are lazy, incompetent, and illeterate right?
"Ah, you are making the classical geek mistake of assuming that people who don't share your particular narrow technical specialty are idiots. "
No I am making the assumption that people who can not open up a text file and edit it are idiots. I'd say that was a reasonable assumption. Windows is written for idiots and ms is proud of that. Idiots love windows.
"The reason we are expensive is because we can do things that MySQL admins can't even imagine."
I just want you to go ahead and lie for real instead of playing these stupid word games. Please say the following sentence.
"there are more people who can install, configure, and maintain oracle then there are people who can install, configure, and maintain mysql"
That was your original point and I want you to repeat it so I can call you a liar again.
Who moderated this up so high? Where is the evidence? Who is this "party"? DO you really expect everybody here to believe that the NSA is incapable of understanding the GPL? Are you really saying that the NSA employs no lawyers or that their lawyers are insanely stupid?
Put up or shut up. Spill the evidence if you have any any.
" In the future I'll be sure to pass because it is clear that with attitudes like yours OSS will go nowhere in the areas of user friendly UI development."
It sounds like you were going to pass anyways. Why try to blame it on some guy on slashdot. It's obvious from reading your posts that you did not intend to contribute in any way whatsoever. Maybe somebody else will maybe nobody else will so what? That's the way this game is played.
"A Windows guy is not going to think Apache is fantastic"
It's true that most windows users are idiots. Windows is written for idiots and appeals to idiots. Most people who run web sites however are smarter then your average windows idiot luser. For them it's just as easy to open up a text file and type something. That goes double for developing a database backed web site using a programming language.
"But name anyone who makes money running a huge website (Slashdot excluded, they don't make money) with MySQL. There may be some, but anyone who is doing serious business isn't going to be using MySQL."
This is where you could not be more wrong. There are a ton of web sites running php and mysql but most of the time it's impossible to tell which database is being used behind the php web site. Just last week I ordered something from insight.com (a massive php site) and while I was looking for IDS systems I noticed that the people who make realsecure are running php. COnsidering that insight makes a ton of money and that realsecure costs over $90,000.00 They are probably making some money too.
"If someone trying to learn Apache, MySQL and PHP are trying to learn it using just the documentation, well, good luck. I could understand it, but I have been doing it for a while. If it was so good, well, how come there are a ton of books on those subjects?"
If you can not learn how to use php from their documentation then you are simply too stupid to live. It's clearly written, it is generously annotated and explained and contains lots of examples. Same with apache and mysql. As for the books you are grasping at straws there I am afraid. Go to Barnes and noble and count the number of books on VB or C# or ASP and compare that number with books on php.
"No they don't. But there ARE alot of people who know Oracle. Probably more then know MySQL."
THis is also a big fat lie. The reason Oracle DBAs cost a lot of money is because they are rare and oracle is extrememly difficult to install, configure and run. I bet the ratio of people who can install, configure and run mysql to oracle DBAs is at least ten to one. I can go download a windows installer for mysql and download mysql front and be up and running in an hour. Do that with oracle!
" Yes..and their ports are bad. "
Pure unadultrated bullshit. Maybe next time you won't have to rely on lying to make a point. The ports of apache, php and mysql on windows are fantastic.
"If it's not well documented, and well known stuff(by more then open source folks), then it's not going to happen."
The apache, php, and mysql documentation is top notch. What do you find so objectionable about them? The php documentation is particularly awsome. As for well known let me present you with a few facts.
PHP is more popular then ASP. More people know php then ASP. It is also easier to learn then VB.
Apache is more popular then IIS. More people know apache then IIS.
Mysql is one of the most widely used databases in the world. The primary reason for that is the ease of use and maintenance. More people know mysql administration then MS sql or oracle. On top of that any DBA worth two cents can pick up mysql in a day.
"That company is going to have to hire a consultant to fix things if they need to add things to it "
I suppose when things break in oracle or ms sql the programs automatically fix themselves.
" Backing things up is important."
Both mysql and postgres offer live backup and replication.
"I don't see the link between software making and afghanistan. "
You made the analogy not me.
"Not because MS doesn't want it, but because the viral part of the GPL which states that libs linked to the GPL-ed code should also be GPL-ed."
Sorry to burst your bubble but MS does not want it. They say so in the EULA.
remember he is a windows DBA. He probably has an MSCE and is therefore an idiot.
In fact postgres has many features commercial databases don't have like an awsome rule subsystem and user definable types, operators and aggregate functions. In fact it has so many extremely neat features it's an ideal database geek toy. I prefer it vastly to MS sql server.
What the hell is INN?
Yes but apache, php, mysql all run on windows too. That's the cool thing about using open source they try real hard not to lock you into an operating system. Choose an MS solution and you are stuck with MS and windows.
" I just think VS.NET makes a hell of a difference when it comes to raw productivity, "
.NET framework.
Yada Yada I don't care what you think. I care that you chose to use "bombing open source developers back to the stone age" metaphor. This was the same terminology that people used when describing the US bombing of the taliban and al quada in afghanistan. Apparently you wanted people to associate open source developers with the taliban and alqada specifically and terrorists generally. This is in keeping with MS executives trying to smear open source developers with labels lice "cancer", "communist" and "un american". It is also in keeping MS executives using mass murderer terms to talk about competition like "knifing the baby" and "cutting off the air supply".
"ps: my OSS is solely for Win32/.NET and BSD licensed, but still open source."
Good for you becuase it is illegal for you to produce GPLed code using VS.NET. It says so right in the EULA. It's also illegal to write GPLed code which uses the
"VisualStudio.NET bombs the Linux developer right back to the stone age."
Fist MS called open source developers communists, then they called open source a cancer now they are associating open source developers with Al Quada terrorists.
The tone get more violent as time goes on, the analogies grow more hateful as time goes along. I think it's time to be scared if you are an open source developer. It's clear MS is trying to incite the masses into committing violence against open source developers and advocates.
I have heard of group policy. Have you ever used it? It's a piece of shit. Same goes for roaming profiles, terminal server, etc. MS makes crappy products that promise much more then they deliver. I have not used the SUS but reading their FAQ it looks like I would have to go from desktop to desktop and install the client. If it's anything like SMS or anything else from MS it will be half usable piece of shit.
Every product MS makes delivers 70% of what the white papers promise.
Let's say you need to update a 100 windows machines when MS finally get around to issuing a patch. What do you do? Go to each machine and press windows update, answer a a few questions, click a few buttons, and reboot at least once.
Let's say you need to do the same thing with a 100 debian machines. You write a script which takes about 15 minutes and you run it.
Which costs you less time and money?
Playing an amateur psycologist here but.
Perhaps the people in Russia don't have the same image of the US govt the US citizens do. I am sure the russians have a healthy distrust of the russian govt but their image of the US may be skewed by watching too many episodes of I love genie or dallas. It's kind of ironic that the average american geek distrusts the US govt more then the average russian geek.
"No, MICROSOFT called the GPL a disease. I merely explained how it was less innacurate than calling the FSF a republican front."
Nobody called FSF a republican front.
There is no way calling the GPL a disease is within a solar system of the truth. I fully expect MS executives to lie at every opportunity. In fact I suspect that failing to lie 5 times before lunch is a fireable offense at microsoft. What I don't expect is ordinary people sticking up for them and claiming there is some truth in it.
"and that pretty much says it all about your position, why defend your (indefensible and inchoate) position when you can just spout cheap ad hominem personal attacks without ever having to support your claims?"
Look man I said I wasn't going to but here I will take one example to show you how wrong you are. In your original post you said.
" The vast majority of Technology CEOs supported Clinton and Gore, and routinely give big donations to the Democratic Party.
2. The vast majority of CEOs in the Finance sectors (stock brokerages, investment banks, bond houses) are also Democrats and are amongst the Dems biggest contributors"
Ok it's the truth but it's not the whole truth nor is it nothing but the truth.
First of all the tech sector and the banking sector do not form a majority of businesses in this country. Even if both statements are true this still does not represent a majority of CEOs.
Secondly I would like to see you provide one iota of evidence that "The vast majority of CEOs in the Finance sectors" are democrats. What do you mean by a vast majority? 70%? 80%? Go ahead prove it or shut up.
Thirdly. Even if a CEO gives more to the Democrats then Republicans the corporation that they oversee frequently give more money to republicans. Take microsoft for example. MS employees give more money to democrats but MS the corporation gives more money to republicans.
There is no two ways about it. Corporations give more money to republicans and unions give more money to democrats.
"The "Left-Right" War rubbish you are talking about is disproved by two simple (and recent) votes of Congress."
Listen if all it takes is two votes to prove something to you then never mind.
Sure there are times when the parties work together to screw the people but that's because the right VS Left war is only a cultural one. The rich VS poor is the economic war. There is more then one war going on and sometimes the congressman work together to advance their own side in the rich vs poor war.
"which anyone can respond to with a "NRA Sticker in Berkely" example"
you know try as I might I can't find an incident like that anywhere. Sure you hear about republicans killing abortion doctors but you don't hear about abortion doctors killing priests. You hear about republicans beating and killing gay people but you never hear about gay people hunting down republicans and beating them. You hear about republicans painting swastikas on synagogs but you never hear of jews painting star of davids on the republican party buildings. I could go on and on. Are gays objecting to republicans being married? Are gays trying to push legislation denying housing to republicans?
And BTW please don't suggest that all those abortion clinic bombers, gay bashers, swastika painters and cross burners are not republican you know perfectly well they are.
"Go back and re-read mine. Yes, mixing code is voluntary, and getting a disease isn't."
Man you are a dense mutherfucker aren't you. Here let me say it again. STAY AWAY FROM GPLED CODE AND YOU WILL NEVER EVER HAVE TO WORRY. It's not a disease, it's not like a disease. It's a fucking software license and if you don't like it write your own fucking code.
"Yes, it is a bunch of bullshit. But it's well-aimed bullshit."
No it's just plain old bullshit. Busllshit as in it's a lie. Now you want to redefine the word lazy to backtrack on your own accusation. How Clinton of you. Did they teach you that in chuch? But your honor it depends on the what the word "lazy" means.
Moron.
"And it's also no more inaccurate than calling all Microsoft staff people "evil" or "facist." They're CAPITALISTS for God's sake!"
Listen not all capitalists are evil. Not all capitalists are liars. Not all capitalists are immoral. How dare you paint every single business person on the planet with the MS brush. MS are evil capitalists but there are plenty of honest, ethical capitalists too.
" If they were Facist, they really would write ther code so phrases like "Microsoft sucks" really couldn't be written--and the writing of such would be bee-lined to MS HQ for analaysis and follow-up."
Ever read any of their EULAS? They don't have to put it into the code they put it into the license. For a small example you are not allowed to create web sites that critisize MS using frontpage. You see even an example that you thought was absurd is actually true. It's not in the code it's in the license. And you dare to call GPL a disease.
"Responding to hatred and evil in kind is irrational and nonproductive."
Says who? You? You think turning the other cheek will make MS behave? Turn the other cheek and MS will smack it with a shovel.
"Respond to hatred and evil with truth and compassion. Respond to crimes and deceit with hatred."
Well since MS has been found guilty of crimes (twice!) and regularly practices deceit then it's perfectly OK to respond to them hatred. Your words not mine.
"And, OF COURSE, you WOULD go through it, but of course you won't -- because having to make a reasoned, rational, thoughtful case, rather than just spewing irrational, secular partisan rhetoric would require that you marshal facts, arrange data and make a convincing reasoned counter-argument."
MMM no. Your post was mostly half truths and no I still don't feel like going through it point by point.
"Strike One; Grandpa was an AFL-CIO shop steward. I think the American worker is getting screwed and that Big Labor is helping. The rising tax burden (back up to total marginal rates of 50% in Cali, NY, Mass, et al) is eroding his buying power, and ability to put together a decent retirement package or estate for his children. In my neighborhood 100K homes sell for 1M. Inflation is destroying the real income of the middle-class."
Wow nice string of non sequitors. Let's see if I understand what you are saying.
Your grandpa was a union member. Ok that's nice I guess what does that have to do with anything?
Big labor is screwing the american worker. HAH!. Very funny! Yes blame the unions for the screwing of the american worker, that's a good one. I suppose the republicans, the chamber of commerce and the corporations have nothing to do with that huh?
Rising tax rates are huring the working people. OK so are you saying that big labor is raising the taxes on the american people? Since when do the labor unions pass legislation?
Houses are expensive where you live: Yes. Probably because the population keeps growing while nobody is making more land. Move to a place where people are moving away. Oh the unions do not have the power to raise the cost of real estate sorry to break it to ya.
"No one with a brain thinks Bill O'Reilly is anything but an loud-mouthed entertainer. Even Limbaugh is more thoughtful (not to mention consistent) about his political positions"
The only people who think that O'Reilly is not a republican are people to the right of him. That means just to the left of Reagan. And you think Limbaugh is thoughtful. Then you claim you are not a republican. HAH!
"There is NO Left-Right War. There is no Left-Right anything is this country."
What hole do you live in man? Do you watch TV? Do you read the papers? There are a lot of wars in this country. Why do you think Limbaugh calls environmentalists "green nazis"? Why does he call feminists "feminazis"? There is a war and he wants to associate environmentalists and women who want equal pay with murderous regimes who killed 6 million Jews. Why does he do that? Because he wants to incite people to kill them that's why. Try this. Put a greenpeace sticker on your car and drive to montana. See how long it takes for you to be pulled over or have your winshield broken. There is most certainly a war the people like Oreilly and Limbaugh are the propaganda arms of that war. The desired result is a subjugation of the "liberals".
"Sure it is. If I mix some non-GPL code in with my program I get sick."
Go back and re-read my post. Mixing code is a voluntary activity cancer is not. How many times do I have to say that? The anology is false and stupid. MS makes that anology because it wants people to associate open source with a deadly disease. GPL does not kill people does it? GPL does not cause people to be bedridden and suffer horribly does it? GPL does not involve radiation therapy does it?
" But the FSF people are lazy jerks who would rather mess with the system than give it another chance,"
What a bunch of bullshit. The FSF are lazy? these people who volunteer their time to fight huge organizations and cartels? People who would in any other circumstance be making hundreds of thousands of dollars working for peanuts for a cause they believe in. That's your definition of lazy? Bullshit. Lazy is posting on slashdot.
"There's hating MS, and then they're IRRATIONALLY hating MS. Do the former, not the later, and Free "
I will re-state my original post. Although some hatred of MS is irrational most hatred of MS is a perfectly rational response to the hatred and evil MS spreads around.
Well that was a nice rant. But sorry it was kind of lame. I would go through it point by point but that would be kind of long so I will instead point out the following.
You are obviously anti union, you blame the "trial lawyers" for the countries ills and you don't think Bill O'Reilly is a conservative. Yea that sounds like a republican to me. I don't believe for one second that you voted for Nader.
As for the whole left-right thing sorry but that war is going on despite your denial. Republicans are at war with democrats. There may be bystanders but they will be killed. The democrats are losing this war and price for losing is severe. Being a prograssive person I choose not to stand by and be killed by the republican war machine. It's better to fight back at least that way you can die with honor and dignitity. I didn't start this war but I have to fight it just like you are doing. You are on the winning side at this moment but hopefully we can muster up the resources to counterattack and hold our position or gain ground soon. Otherwise we will all end up being palestenians.
"If you legislate away large vehicles"
Once again nobody has ever called for legislating away large vehicles. Honestly I don't know where you get this stuff from. Maybe there is a kook someplace that says that (after all there are kooks who say that the UN is invading america) but come on now. I don't think asking for a few more MPGs is all that catastrophic.