"we don't really KNOW what the temperature trends are from as little as 4000 years ago."
And we never will unless we invent a time machine. Just like we don't know what the temprature in pluto is, just like we don't know how far the moon is.
Sure we can never KNOW what happened in the past but we can make pretty damned good guesses. For a long time atoms were guesses. Nobody KNEW that atoms existed for sure. Nevertheless it was a well accpeted theory and it was right.
Funny how worldcom execs have been arrested and anderson has been charged with crimes while nothing has happened to enron or any of it's employees huh?
"I don't know, MS's assertions, although voiced in horribly combative analogies, are valid."
Bullshit.
\"Look at the GPL: Use a little bit of GPL'd code in your program (get some cancerous cells in a tissue) and it takes over (likewise) and then can never be take out of public domain (cancer cells never "naturally" die.)"
Bullshit. First of all GPL is not public domain. Secondly mixing GPL code to yours is 100% voluntary. You don't have to use other peoples code and if you do you have to respect their licence. There is absolutely nothing about this that in any way resembles cancer.
"Users and Proponents of the GPL, as a whole, act like everyone should have equal access to software (all citizens should have access to the fruit of industry) and no one should have a right to take software for themselves (your labor belongs to the people, not to you.)"
Bullshit again. The proponents of GPL act like their code should be free. This is an act of supreme generosity and comparing it to communism is just outrageous.
"If these analogies upset you, I suggest simply responding in kind. "
I am. I hate them just as much as they hate open source developers and users. I call them evil, liars, unethical bastards, greedy monopolists, and control freaks because that's what they are.
This thread started with you saying hatred of MS is irrational and ended up with you saying we should compare MS to facists. You can't have it both ways. Yes MS is a facist company and saying so is not irrational hatred.
"Funny how there was lots of Anthrax scares happening on a daily business, people getting sick all over the place and then poof , no leads, no one caught , no more attacks, no more questions."
Not that suprising when you consider this.
All the targets of the anthrax letters were either democat politicians or "liberal" media figures. To me this rules out al-quada because they have no reason to single out democrats and point the finger at the american reactionary right (militias and such).
Now ask yourself this question. Why would Aschroft vigorously go after people who support him and want to harm people he views as enemies?
"Sadly, there is so much irrational hatred for MS "
I would have to say that although some hatred of MS is irrational most hatred of MS is absolutely rational. They really do and say evil things and it's perfectly rational to hate them. For example when MS called open source a cancer and called open source programmers and users communists I imagine most people reacted with outrage and hatred. That was a rational reaction being compared to stalin or a disease don't you think?
"If there really were aliens on earth, UFOs circling the solar system, etc., you'd be guaranteed that somebody, somewhere who wasn't hushed up by "the government" would have"
I don't know what planet you are on but on the planet I live there have been lots of people who have reported the existance of UFOs on the net. If this is a secret of the govt it's the most poorly kept secret in the world. Sure not all documents have been seen and not all people involved have spoken out but plenty of documents have been published and plenty of people have spoken out.
Maybe the fact that all this information about UFOs is out in the open proves your theory. Here is one secret which got out despite the best efforts of the govt to supress it.
"You can't currently get 40mpg out of these huge SUV's."
Nobody is asking for this. Just two or three more MPG.
"Forcing low CO2 emissions requires high fuel efficiency, which means no large vehicles."
Only if you believe that humans beings are not smart enough to make big cars that are more energy efficient. I have more faith in the intelligence of automobile engineers because they have proven themselves to be extremely smart in the past. Apparently you think they are a bunch of idiots who are unable to advence the state of the art.
"It is contraversial, it would limit the sale of most vehicles being sold today."
Well that's just a plain old lie. I dare you to prove that statement.
You did not finish your thought here let me do it for you.
The ironic thing is that most religious leaders like Jesus, Budha, Mohammed etc have mephasized that love of money and pusuit of profit are inherently evil practices. This makes capitalism as practiced in the US and as practiced by US corporations an inherently evil act as defined by most religions. The singular exception being satanism. In satanism it's prefectly OK to accumulate wealth for the sake of wealth.
Capitalism and religous/moral life are mutually exclusive. Anybody who says otherwise are simply choosing to ignore the words of Jesus, Budha and mohammed.
"And yeah MS wants in your PC, but Apple owns your pc everytime you update. Good for the goose is good for the gander. But apple is *SPECIAL*"
Ah yes the old redirection trick.
"when somebody points out that you are doing something evil point out that it's ok to as many evil things as you want because somebody else does something evil sometimes too."
I am sure that one is posted on every MS bulleting board. I see this tactic all the time.
You are of course lying. It is to be expected in a republican. Please go to opensecrets.org and do some research. Enron gave much more money to republicans then democrats.
"You'll find that most industries give just as much money to democrats as they do republicans."
Once again you are lying. Insdustries give much more money to republicans while unions tend to give more to democrats. It's the classic struggle. Teachers, cops, firemen, plumbers etc support democrats while CEOs support republicans.
Of course republicans also get a lot of funds from christians and such too.
All of this adds up to the grim fact that republicans get a ton more money then democrats over all. Combine that with the conservative media and you can explain how they control the country.
Of course none of this explains how they managed to screw things up so bad but that's another discussion altogether.
How hard is it to figure out. Enron gave a bunch of money to republicans. The defense contractors gave a bunch of money to republicans. The studios gave a bunch of money to republicans.
How much did you give?
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Lots of companies are MS only. What's the big deal?
I think that whole 72% of the fortune 500 is kind of a crock. Fortune 500 comapnies are so huge that it's possible that some small branch office someplace is using whatever the hell is your pet product.
Of course 72% of the fortune 500 companies have downloaded activeperl or paid for it. That does not mean jack shit.
I think the real scandal is that nothing they did was illegal. The rich make the laws in this country and therefore nothign the rich do is against the law.
Why is even legal for MS to do what it did. Isn't anybody outraged about that fact?
So you hate the American president and everything that America has done and does, but you aren't anti-American"
Ah yes once again it seems like I have overloaded your meager reserve of synapses. You are now reduced to accusing me of hating america because you are unable to think any deeper then that.
Like I said it's sad to see the kind of idiots the education system in this country seems to spit out.
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" The real question is whether this license allows Microsoft to do things to your machine even if Windows Update is off."
No the real question is "are you allowed to turn off windows update?". Remember now MS has the right to check your computer and modify it. If you attempt to block them from doing so you may be committing a crime.
"I said "threats to the lives and interests of its citizens.""
What interests? Oh I see you mean cheap oil.
"Israel is not perfect, but the Palestines are far from saints."
Israelis are attemting to domesticate palestenians. Throughout history there have been numerous attempts to domesticate humans. We did it with the africans, the south africans did it with the blacks and now the israelis are doing it with the palestenians. In the long run it never works because human beings are unable to be domesticated. Eventually they set themselves free one way or another. Look at what happened in soviet union or yugoslavia.
The palestenians are fighting for their freedom and independence with the only means they have. they have no guns, they have no tanks, no planes, no army, no navy, no air force. All they have is terrorism and so that's what they use. How else should they fight for their freedom?
As for israel. It is an uncivilized nation.
When a terrorist action occures it does not punish the guilty instead it kills civilians. This is not civilized behaviour.
It rounds up males and jails them without due process. No lawyers, no charges, no trial. This is not civilized.
It tortures prisoners. This is not civilized.
It takes over other peoples lands and forcefully drives out people who have been living there for hundreds of years. This is not civilized.
Sure you can make all the excuses in the world but there is no denying the fact israel stands alone as the only nation which does these things and the only nation with a system of apartheid in place. Let's see if theirs lasts as long as South Africas.
BTW perhaps if Israel acted in a civlized manner it might not be surrounded by enemies.
Also consider that those so called enemies are toothless. Israel has biological, chemical and nuclear weapons and the might of the biggest army in the world behind it. The US military will anhialate any country that dares to attack israel. Israel has nothing to worry about as long as Arial Sharon can dictate to George Bush the US middle eastern policy.
"Israel has never targetted American citizens for extinction and has never stated an intent to attack us."
nevertheless Israel has killed US citizens by their routine use of indescriminate bombing in civilian areas. These US citizens deserve the protection of the US army but unfortunately because they are arabs and moslems our born again president does not give a flying fuck about them. Have you ever heard him condem israel for killing americans? of course not! IF they were white christian americans you can bet your ass he would say something.
"It wasn't until they killed 5,000 people that we released our full fury on him and his associates"
We did no such thing. We did not bomb him, we did not bomb his associates. We bombed Afghanistan where he happened to be living at the time (he probably left before the bombing even started). Tens of thousands of people died who had nothing to do with WTC. But it sure got the presidents approval rating up didn't it?
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"we don't really KNOW what the temperature trends are from as little as 4000 years ago."
And we never will unless we invent a time machine. Just like we don't know what the temprature in pluto is, just like we don't know how far the moon is.
Sure we can never KNOW what happened in the past but we can make pretty damned good guesses. For a long time atoms were guesses. Nobody KNEW that atoms existed for sure. Nevertheless it was a well accpeted theory and it was right.
You may want to look into a thing called ice core sampling. Apparently those scientists aren't as stupid as you think they are.
If the demands of the US are higher so are the resources.
Funny how worldcom execs have been arrested and anderson has been charged with crimes while nothing has happened to enron or any of it's employees huh?
Why do you think that is?
"I don't know, MS's assertions, although voiced in horribly combative analogies, are valid."
Bullshit.
\"Look at the GPL: Use a little bit of GPL'd code in your program (get some cancerous cells in a tissue) and it takes over (likewise) and then can never be take out of public domain (cancer cells never "naturally" die.)"
Bullshit. First of all GPL is not public domain. Secondly mixing GPL code to yours is 100% voluntary. You don't have to use other peoples code and if you do you have to respect their licence. There is absolutely nothing about this that in any way resembles cancer.
"Users and Proponents of the GPL, as a whole, act like everyone should have equal access to software (all citizens should have access to the fruit of industry) and no one should have a right to take software for themselves (your labor belongs to the people, not to you.)"
Bullshit again. The proponents of GPL act like their code should be free. This is an act of supreme generosity and comparing it to communism is just outrageous.
"If these analogies upset you, I suggest simply responding in kind. "
I am. I hate them just as much as they hate open source developers and users. I call them evil, liars, unethical bastards, greedy monopolists, and control freaks because that's what they are.
This thread started with you saying hatred of MS is irrational and ended up with you saying we should compare MS to facists. You can't have it both ways. Yes MS is a facist company and saying so is not irrational hatred.
It seems like there would be more rubble and at least a large section of the tail intact. Those photos were not too compelling as evidence.
"Funny how there was lots of Anthrax scares happening on a daily business, people getting sick all over the place and then poof , no leads, no one caught , no more attacks, no more questions."
Not that suprising when you consider this.
All the targets of the anthrax letters were either democat politicians or "liberal" media figures. To me this rules out al-quada because they have no reason to single out democrats and point the finger at the american reactionary right (militias and such).
Now ask yourself this question. Why would Aschroft vigorously go after people who support him and want to harm people he views as enemies?
Kind of makes you wonder about 9-11.
It sure helped this president a whole lot.
"Sadly, there is so much irrational hatred for MS "
I would have to say that although some hatred of MS is irrational most hatred of MS is absolutely rational. They really do and say evil things and it's perfectly rational to hate them. For example when MS called open source a cancer and called open source programmers and users communists I imagine most people reacted with outrage and hatred. That was a rational reaction being compared to stalin or a disease don't you think?
"If there really were aliens on earth, UFOs circling the solar system, etc., you'd be guaranteed that somebody, somewhere who wasn't hushed up by "the government" would have"
I don't know what planet you are on but on the planet I live there have been lots of people who have reported the existance of UFOs on the net. If this is a secret of the govt it's the most poorly kept secret in the world. Sure not all documents have been seen and not all people involved have spoken out but plenty of documents have been published and plenty of people have spoken out.
Maybe the fact that all this information about UFOs is out in the open proves your theory. Here is one secret which got out despite the best efforts of the govt to supress it.
"You can't currently get 40mpg out of these huge SUV's."
Nobody is asking for this. Just two or three more MPG.
"Forcing low CO2 emissions requires high fuel efficiency, which means no large vehicles."
Only if you believe that humans beings are not smart enough to make big cars that are more energy efficient. I have more faith in the intelligence of automobile engineers because they have proven themselves to be extremely smart in the past. Apparently you think they are a bunch of idiots who are unable to advence the state of the art.
"It is contraversial, it would limit the sale of most vehicles being sold today."
Well that's just a plain old lie. I dare you to prove that statement.
You did not finish your thought here let me do it for you.
The ironic thing is that most religious leaders like Jesus, Budha, Mohammed etc have mephasized that love of money and pusuit of profit are inherently evil practices. This makes capitalism as practiced in the US and as practiced by US corporations an inherently evil act as defined by most religions. The singular exception being satanism. In satanism it's prefectly OK to accumulate wealth for the sake of wealth.
Capitalism and religous/moral life are mutually exclusive. Anybody who says otherwise are simply choosing to ignore the words of Jesus, Budha and mohammed.
Oh yea clean air there is a contraversial law.
What you meant to say was. "Make laws protecting people which might cause huge corporations to spend a bit more money" right?
"And yeah MS wants in your PC, but Apple owns your pc everytime you update. Good for the goose is good for the gander. But apple is *SPECIAL*"
Ah yes the old redirection trick.
"when somebody points out that you are doing something evil point out that it's ok to as many evil things as you want because somebody else does something evil sometimes too."
I am sure that one is posted on every MS bulleting board. I see this tactic all the time.
"Enron gave even MORE money to the democrats"
You are of course lying. It is to be expected in a republican. Please go to opensecrets.org and do some research. Enron gave much more money to republicans then democrats.
"You'll find that most industries give just as much money to democrats as they do republicans."
Once again you are lying. Insdustries give much more money to republicans while unions tend to give more to democrats. It's the classic struggle. Teachers, cops, firemen, plumbers etc support democrats while CEOs support republicans.
Of course republicans also get a lot of funds from christians and such too.
All of this adds up to the grim fact that republicans get a ton more money then democrats over all. Combine that with the conservative media and you can explain how they control the country.
Of course none of this explains how they managed to screw things up so bad but that's another discussion altogether.
How hard is it to figure out.
Enron gave a bunch of money to republicans.
The defense contractors gave a bunch of money to republicans.
The studios gave a bunch of money to republicans.
How much did you give?
Lots of companies are MS only. What's the big deal?
I think that whole 72% of the fortune 500 is kind of a crock. Fortune 500 comapnies are so huge that it's possible that some small branch office someplace is using whatever the hell is your pet product.
Of course 72% of the fortune 500 companies have downloaded activeperl or paid for it. That does not mean jack shit.
I think the real scandal is that nothing they did was illegal. The rich make the laws in this country and therefore nothign the rich do is against the law.
Why is even legal for MS to do what it did. Isn't anybody outraged about that fact?
No the justice dept took breakup off the table. Most likely due to spending too much time counting all those "contributions"
"setup and use than MS SQL server... "
It's obvious you have never used firebird/interbase.
As for mysql look into msql front. If you can't use that then you are addled.
Actually considering how many people are able to use mysql it can't be that hard.
Both SAPDB and firebird have much better documentation then either mysql or postgres too.
So you hate the American president and everything that America has done and does, but you aren't anti-American"
Ah yes once again it seems like I have overloaded your meager reserve of synapses. You are now reduced to accusing me of hating america because you are unable to think any deeper then that.
Like I said it's sad to see the kind of idiots the education system in this country seems to spit out.
" The real question is whether this license allows Microsoft to do things to your machine even if Windows Update is off."
No the real question is "are you allowed to turn off windows update?". Remember now MS has the right to check your computer and modify it. If you attempt to block them from doing so you may be committing a crime.
"I said "threats to the lives and interests of its citizens.""
What interests? Oh I see you mean cheap oil.
"Israel is not perfect, but the Palestines are far from saints."
Israelis are attemting to domesticate palestenians. Throughout history there have been numerous attempts to domesticate humans. We did it with the africans, the south africans did it with the blacks and now the israelis are doing it with the palestenians. In the long run it never works because human beings are unable to be domesticated. Eventually they set themselves free one way or another. Look at what happened in soviet union or yugoslavia.
The palestenians are fighting for their freedom and independence with the only means they have. they have no guns, they have no tanks, no planes, no army, no navy, no air force. All they have is terrorism and so that's what they use. How else should they fight for their freedom?
As for israel. It is an uncivilized nation.
When a terrorist action occures it does not punish the guilty instead it kills civilians. This is not civilized behaviour.
It rounds up males and jails them without due process. No lawyers, no charges, no trial. This is not civilized.
It tortures prisoners. This is not civilized.
It takes over other peoples lands and forcefully drives out people who have been living there for hundreds of years. This is not civilized.
Sure you can make all the excuses in the world but there is no denying the fact israel stands alone as the only nation which does these things and the only nation with a system of apartheid in place. Let's see if theirs lasts as long as South Africas.
BTW perhaps if Israel acted in a civlized manner it might not be surrounded by enemies.
Also consider that those so called enemies are toothless. Israel has biological, chemical and nuclear weapons and the might of the biggest army in the world behind it. The US military will anhialate any country that dares to attack israel. Israel has nothing to worry about as long as Arial Sharon can dictate to George Bush the US middle eastern policy.
"Israel has never targetted American citizens for extinction and has never stated an intent to attack us."
nevertheless Israel has killed US citizens by their routine use of indescriminate bombing in civilian areas. These US citizens deserve the protection of the US army but unfortunately because they are arabs and moslems our born again president does not give a flying fuck about them. Have you ever heard him condem israel for killing americans? of course not! IF they were white christian americans you can bet your ass he would say something.
"It wasn't until they killed 5,000 people that we released our full fury on him and his associates"
We did no such thing. We did not bomb him, we did not bomb his associates. We bombed Afghanistan where he happened to be living at the time (he probably left before the bombing even started). Tens of thousands of people died who had nothing to do with WTC. But it sure got the presidents approval rating up didn't it?