In a histroical side note: It's certain that his company invented the modern light bulb, it's uncertain if it was him or oen of his numerous staff for which he never credits.
Without the first 'Pong', you might not have had your Donkey Kong.
Thats like saying without wright brother we wouldn't have aeroplanes. More then likely we would. They might look idfferent btu they'd still fly. He invented pong. It took off. I'm sure someone else would have inveted other games eventually as computers progressed. He was just first.
By the same idea, my entry level job was filling order at a fucking warehouse. or Working at a theatre. the bakery was a job. not your entry level job into IT. Just as my Warehouse job wasn't either. On a dumb note, the Warehouse paid exactly the same as what I make now. Although I took a pay cut to take this job at first.
Theres also a personal note. My Gf was unable to find a IT job and got shipped back to her home country. Thats been a source of heart ache for me as well.
Thats fine that you worked to get there, I did too. I also spent a fortune to educate myself. theres no garentee of return but I can bitch all I like about it. and I can also throw my support behind policies that might change this.
That's a pretty selfish, shortsighted view. Baby boomers collectively have lots and lots of money; and they spend it. If that spending suddenly dried up, we'd have such a depression that you'd be crying for your mommy (who you probably just wished dead).
No actually, we'd inherit the money and we'd spend it. Like the Black plague in europe. It was a direct contributor to the renaissance.
The best way of saving American jobs isn't by shutting our borders and going back to the 1920's, it's by reducing the cost of health care and enacting tort reform to prevent frivolous lawsuits, both of which would decrease the regulator burdens that make it very hard to add new employees and be able to pay them well.
The best way to save america is to kill all the baby boomers so they won't drain the GNP. This slump is entirly yoru fault for not having enough babies and gettign old. So I think you should die.
The most common thing I hear from my friends parents is that there Aren't enough tech guys and server admins at work. their simply not beign hired. Problbly due to a short sighted amangement who does not beleive they need them. Or has out sourced to a outside company.
I sure coudl use on of those positiosn btu if one comes up, they'll undoubtly hire some smuck who takes 4 times as long as I do btu has a resume that went through the 90'd boom and thus looks liek a golden boy.
The economey left to it's own devices is more stable
Entirly untrue. The economy left to it's own devices will be incredibly cyclic with amazing busts and booms and years of wealth and plenty followed by years fo destitute poverty for all except the elites. Regulation mitigates the highs and lows and endures we have a fairly stabel life. Don't beleive me? look at the great depression. Market was almost unregulated and it detroyed itself. Read Keynes not smith. One was a academic who lived before the industrial revolution, the other a industrialist who made a killing inthe stock market.
Because a statistically significant number of companies are scared to reveal the truth they will lie to the gov't about how many people they are offshoring?
If the result is that the government stop outsourcing or make sit difficult, your damn right they'll be scared to reveal the real details.
U.S. isn't exactly held in high regard around the world
This is often related to out sourcing. If a western factory beat you and made you work 18h a day to make shoes for an american market. I'm sure you'd hate them and America too.
What would a 16th/17th centry philosopher know about 21st centry economics. Keynes was more on the ball about economic systems. Smith only represents an idealogy and was a teacher while Keynes got filthy rich on his and was a investor.
IT's language barriers and inept management. Thats always been the issue. but these things tend to get smoothed over in time. As their culture grows to mroe resemble the target markets and langauge skills come up to par.
Unfortunately, that is the same attitude that killed so many companies that ended up "Wal-Mart Exclusive" brands.
Not advancing is stagnation. Stagnation is death. ANYONE NEEDING ANY BLACKSMITH WORK THESE DAYS?
The economy and companies will try to get away with as much as they can, once they push us past certain spots we will react they will have to come back. The whole GM foods thing is that sort of deal. I don't think GM foods are bad but the market reacted negativly to them so it shrunk back from open adoption of somethign that woudl have savd money. As a tech worker I believe protectionist policies woudl be great. BEcause we can still grab allt he talented peopel from india but now they have sowrn allegence ot America, pay taxes and contribute code here and not in india.
In Tokyo you can get fiber to your place of living for less than you can get a T1 with a fraction of the bandwidth in the US. And yet our communications companies threaten to hold hostage development and expansion in order to blackmail the government over regulation. Fiber to the home? Not for ANY amount of money in most of the US, unless you're lucky to live in a place where the government saw that captialism had failed in this particular venture, and did the work itself.
This is density fo subscriber issue. For them it's just 1 extra 10m line for 40 subscribers in the same floor of the appartment complex. To the American firm it's runnign 1km of cabel from the nearest node to support 1 subscriber.
I feel for people who've lost jobs -- my wife lost hers, twice, and several of my friends did as well. But you know what? It keeps the labor market dynamic. "Well, if this is dynamic, I want none of it!" Sorry, but that's a kneejerk reaction: if people overseas can do it cheaper, and maybe even better, WE HAVE TO LET THEM. If we don't, then some day they'll come along and simply overpower us, because they -aren't- stagnant. Look at what happened (say) to American automakers when they were dismissive of Japan! How about textile workers? It's part of being in a global economy. Unless we wish to become entirely self-sufficient and isolationist, we HAVE to learn to do well what we do well: innovate, create jobs, create wealth and opportunity. But don't try to bail out a tepid economy with finger pointing and a leaky pot.
Thats fine to say when you have 15 years of experience in the industry and a lot of contacts btu for the generations below you. We hate you so much words cannot express it. IT seems very obvious to us you all sold us out to keep yourselves going. All the "entry level" jobs have evaporated. We're stuck in dead in end low payign jobs so that you can have a "dynamic" job market.
How do you explain 5.6% unemployment? The same number that Clinton had that everyone called "great."
As a statistically trained person I'd like to point out that thats a agrigate number that is a generalization of the workforce. As such it doesn't mean dick. If 30% of all jobs switched from white collar to service, the unemployment woudl still be 5.6 but now the average income has drastically fallen.
Ummm, people in the population increase you cite are all under 4 years old. I don't really want them in the workforce for a few years at least. Some of them will not enter the workforce for good for over 20 years.
This of course is bollocks beause the number of people who aged form 16 to 20 is significant in the span. So your point defeats itself.
I am amazed at all the idiocy (not in reference to you, mind), that is on this forum. It is smart business to save money. Most businesses perceive that outsourcing saves money. Saving money means that the business can either spend more on employees, invest in better equipment, new tech, etc, or just give the shareholders a nice return. If they give it to the shareholders, then those SH's will either spend it or reinvest it. Both of these outcomes will help the economy.
Now, if makign X jobs in india instead of America saves Y dollars. Why not sink the savigns into more jobs in india and produce even more. Theres little logic in "Well I saved 100,000,000 by makign all my R&D in india now I think I'll hire 100,000,000 dollars in Management staff in America."
It'd be more like " I save 100,000,000 in India. Fuck I'm gonna get so as fucking high as 100,000,000 of coke can get me. And maybe I'll make a few more sales and clerk jobs to help me produce mroe cash".
For those wishing to enlighten themselves further with the truth, see the the Dallas FRB's site for a summary of the Churn, here is a direct link to the PDF of the original 1992 annual report which describes it in depth. The outsourcing boogeyman is BS, plain and simple, accept it.
"There lies, Damn dies, and statistics"
Reality: I've been looking for over a year for a programmign or stabel tech job and have only found my current low payign unstable position in a small business. Of my graduating class I am aquanted with only 2 have found stable decent payign jobs (40k CND and up). I have tries 3 different job sites and look every day. I've tried 2 job agencies. I've Applied to every company. I hodl the job title of senior programmer which I thought might help but doesnt.
Now your telling me that the whole thing is in our heads. That 53 BSC with a specialization in computers, graduates can't find a programming job and are all stuck in dead end "help desk" or "Repair" jobs is just the boogey man. And that this is all BS and that jobs haven't been affected at all?
I hope the baby boomers die quickly. The generations below you really need your jobs. The job shortage may not have affected you much but it's made my life pretty stressful and unpleasant.
Crap. This is all crap. Does anyone know how many jobs we have "insourced"? Think 6 million. The economy is always churning. People lose and gain jobs everyday. Yeah, lets tax the hell out of companies that outsource, then we can lose 6 times the number of jobs. Seesh, you need to read beyond the headline
That a fairly naive way to think of things. The ideology that "Taxes" hurt jobs creation is fiction. IF I'm GM and I stand to lose 400 million if I put 3 new plants in India but save only 200 million in labor costs. Well I minus well build it in michigan. Why would they all of sudden not create those 3 factories?
It's a fact that the jobs lost are white collar high paying jobs and the jobs gained are service industry jobs. What happens is the programming job, ofrmerly a 60k a year job now goes to Apoo in India who will do it for 10k and a new 30k a year "tech" support job is created for you here. the onyl ones who win is Apoo and The head of the software firm as they reward him for reducing cost.
The key problem with HL2 and DOOM 3 is that they require high end systems. Only a small percentage of gamers can run them at a decent clip. This reduced their possible market share. Thats always the problem with PC FPS games. The reason why warcraft and starcraft sold so many is that they aimed low technologically and had the expansion bump it up a bit. Quake 3, and a lot of the FPS legends sold slowly due to the small base of users who could run it well. HL2 and DOOM 3 now has a larger base because they pushed back the dates but it's still not as large as the Xbox bae or the GC or the PS2. With the simultanious release for xbox and PC it's hoped they can capitalize but it's still a niche market. A lot of people don't care for fps.
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When it was release 128 mb of ram would cost $671,088,640.00. memory costs.
In a histroical side note: It's certain that his company invented the modern light bulb, it's uncertain if it was him or oen of his numerous staff for which he never credits.
Without the first 'Pong', you might not have had your Donkey Kong.
Thats like saying without wright brother we wouldn't have aeroplanes. More then likely we would. They might look idfferent btu they'd still fly. He invented pong. It took off. I'm sure someone else would have inveted other games eventually as computers progressed. He was just first.
And you'll make amazing music no one will ever hear.
A distributor isnt' about recording, it's about promoting and "distibuting".
By the same idea, my entry level job was filling order at a fucking warehouse. or Working at a theatre. the bakery was a job. not your entry level job into IT. Just as my Warehouse job wasn't either. On a dumb note, the Warehouse paid exactly the same as what I make now. Although I took a pay cut to take this job at first.
Theres also a personal note. My Gf was unable to find a IT job and got shipped back to her home country. Thats been a source of heart ache for me as well.
Thats fine that you worked to get there, I did too. I also spent a fortune to educate myself. theres no garentee of return but I can bitch all I like about it. and I can also throw my support behind policies that might change this.
That's a pretty selfish, shortsighted view. Baby boomers collectively have lots and lots of money; and they spend it. If that spending suddenly dried up, we'd have such a depression that you'd be crying for your mommy (who you probably just wished dead).
No actually, we'd inherit the money and we'd spend it. Like the Black plague in europe. It was a direct contributor to the renaissance.
The best way of saving American jobs isn't by shutting our borders and going back to the 1920's, it's by reducing the cost of health care and enacting tort reform to prevent frivolous lawsuits, both of which would decrease the regulator burdens that make it very hard to add new employees and be able to pay them well.
The best way to save america is to kill all the baby boomers so they won't drain the GNP. This slump is entirly yoru fault for not having enough babies and gettign old. So I think you should die.
If you are stuck with a job that involves receiving specifications over e-mail and then sending the code somewhere else, RUN.
Oddly porn web dev meets this specification. But oddly the work is still pretty stable. I guess porn site owners don't liek to speak to Indians.
The most common thing I hear from my friends parents is that there Aren't enough tech guys and server admins at work. their simply not beign hired. Problbly due to a short sighted amangement who does not beleive they need them. Or has out sourced to a outside company.
I sure coudl use on of those positiosn btu if one comes up, they'll undoubtly hire some smuck who takes 4 times as long as I do btu has a resume that went through the 90'd boom and thus looks liek a golden boy.
The economey left to it's own devices is more stable
Entirly untrue. The economy left to it's own devices will be incredibly cyclic with amazing busts and booms and years of wealth and plenty followed by years fo destitute poverty for all except the elites. Regulation mitigates the highs and lows and endures we have a fairly stabel life. Don't beleive me? look at the great depression. Market was almost unregulated and it detroyed itself. Read Keynes not smith. One was a academic who lived before the industrial revolution, the other a industrialist who made a killing inthe stock market.
Because a statistically significant number of companies are scared to reveal the truth they will lie to the gov't about how many people they are offshoring?
If the result is that the government stop outsourcing or make sit difficult, your damn right they'll be scared to reveal the real details.
U.S. isn't exactly held in high regard around the world
This is often related to out sourcing. If a western factory beat you and made you work 18h a day to make shoes for an american market. I'm sure you'd hate them and America too.
Smith was a hack lik Marx. Read Keynes.
What would a 16th/17th centry philosopher know about 21st centry economics. Keynes was more on the ball about economic systems. Smith only represents an idealogy and was a teacher while Keynes got filthy rich on his and was a investor.
IT's language barriers and inept management. Thats always been the issue. but these things tend to get smoothed over in time. As their culture grows to mroe resemble the target markets and langauge skills come up to par.
Unfortunately, that is the same attitude that killed so many companies that ended up "Wal-Mart Exclusive" brands.
Not advancing is stagnation. Stagnation is death. ANYONE NEEDING ANY BLACKSMITH WORK THESE DAYS?
The economy and companies will try to get away with as much as they can, once they push us past certain spots we will react they will have to come back. The whole GM foods thing is that sort of deal. I don't think GM foods are bad but the market reacted negativly to them so it shrunk back from open adoption of somethign that woudl have savd money. As a tech worker I believe protectionist policies woudl be great. BEcause we can still grab allt he talented peopel from india but now they have sowrn allegence ot America, pay taxes and contribute code here and not in india.
In Tokyo you can get fiber to your place of living for less than you can get a T1 with a fraction of the bandwidth in the US. And yet our communications companies threaten to hold hostage development and expansion in order to blackmail the government over regulation. Fiber to the home? Not for ANY amount of money in most of the US, unless you're lucky to live in a place where the government saw that captialism had failed in this particular venture, and did the work itself.
This is density fo subscriber issue. For them it's just 1 extra 10m line for 40 subscribers in the same floor of the appartment complex. To the American firm it's runnign 1km of cabel from the nearest node to support 1 subscriber.
I feel for people who've lost jobs -- my wife lost hers, twice, and several of my friends did as well. But you know what? It keeps the labor market dynamic. "Well, if this is dynamic, I want none of it!" Sorry, but that's a kneejerk reaction: if people overseas can do it cheaper, and maybe even better, WE HAVE TO LET THEM. If we don't, then some day they'll come along and simply overpower us, because they -aren't- stagnant. Look at what happened (say) to American automakers when they were dismissive of Japan! How about textile workers? It's part of being in a global economy. Unless we wish to become entirely self-sufficient and isolationist, we HAVE to learn to do well what we do well: innovate, create jobs, create wealth and opportunity. But don't try to bail out a tepid economy with finger pointing and a leaky pot.
Thats fine to say when you have 15 years of experience in the industry and a lot of contacts btu for the generations below you. We hate you so much words cannot express it. IT seems very obvious to us you all sold us out to keep yourselves going. All the "entry level" jobs have evaporated. We're stuck in dead in end low payign jobs so that you can have a "dynamic" job market.
How do you explain 5.6% unemployment? The same number that Clinton had that everyone called "great."
As a statistically trained person I'd like to point out that thats a agrigate number that is a generalization of the workforce. As such it doesn't mean dick. If 30% of all jobs switched from white collar to service, the unemployment woudl still be 5.6 but now the average income has drastically fallen.
Ummm, people in the population increase you cite are all under 4 years old. I don't really want them in the workforce for a few years at least. Some of them will not enter the workforce for good for over 20 years.
This of course is bollocks beause the number of people who aged form 16 to 20 is significant in the span. So your point defeats itself.
I am amazed at all the idiocy (not in reference to you, mind), that is on this forum. It is smart business to save money. Most businesses perceive that outsourcing saves money. Saving money means that the business can either spend more on employees, invest in better equipment, new tech, etc, or just give the shareholders a nice return. If they give it to the shareholders, then those SH's will either spend it or reinvest it. Both of these outcomes will help the economy.
Now, if makign X jobs in india instead of America saves Y dollars. Why not sink the savigns into more jobs in india and produce even more. Theres little logic in "Well I saved 100,000,000 by makign all my R&D in india now I think I'll hire 100,000,000 dollars in Management staff in America."
It'd be more like " I save 100,000,000 in India. Fuck I'm gonna get so as fucking high as 100,000,000 of coke can get me. And maybe I'll make a few more sales and clerk jobs to help me produce mroe cash".
For those wishing to enlighten themselves further with the truth, see the the Dallas FRB's site for a summary of the Churn, here is a direct link to the PDF of the original 1992 annual report which describes it in depth. The outsourcing boogeyman is BS, plain and simple, accept it.
"There lies, Damn dies, and statistics"
Reality: I've been looking for over a year for a programmign or stabel tech job and have only found my current low payign unstable position in a small business. Of my graduating class I am aquanted with only 2 have found stable decent payign jobs (40k CND and up). I have tries 3 different job sites and look every day. I've tried 2 job agencies. I've Applied to every company. I hodl the job title of senior programmer which I thought might help but doesnt.
Now your telling me that the whole thing is in our heads. That 53 BSC with a specialization in computers, graduates can't find a programming job and are all stuck in dead end "help desk" or "Repair" jobs is just the boogey man. And that this is all BS and that jobs haven't been affected at all?
I hope the baby boomers die quickly. The generations below you really need your jobs. The job shortage may not have affected you much but it's made my life pretty stressful and unpleasant.
Crap. This is all crap. Does anyone know how many jobs we have "insourced"? Think 6 million. The economy is always churning. People lose and gain jobs everyday. Yeah, lets tax the hell out of companies that outsource, then we can lose 6 times the number of jobs. Seesh, you need to read beyond the headline
That a fairly naive way to think of things. The ideology that "Taxes" hurt jobs creation is fiction. IF I'm GM and I stand to lose 400 million if I put 3 new plants in India but save only 200 million in labor costs. Well I minus well build it in michigan. Why would they all of sudden not create those 3 factories?
It's a fact that the jobs lost are white collar high paying jobs and the jobs gained are service industry jobs. What happens is the programming job, ofrmerly a 60k a year job now goes to Apoo in India who will do it for 10k and a new 30k a year "tech" support job is created for you here. the onyl ones who win is Apoo and The head of the software firm as they reward him for reducing cost.
The key problem with HL2 and DOOM 3 is that they require high end systems. Only a small percentage of gamers can run them at a decent clip. This reduced their possible market share. Thats always the problem with PC FPS games. The reason why warcraft and starcraft sold so many is that they aimed low technologically and had the expansion bump it up a bit. Quake 3, and a lot of the FPS legends sold slowly due to the small base of users who could run it well. HL2 and DOOM 3 now has a larger base because they pushed back the dates but it's still not as large as the Xbox bae or the GC or the PS2. With the simultanious release for xbox and PC it's hoped they can capitalize but it's still a niche market. A lot of people don't care for fps.