We have the food enough to feed us all, it's socio economic reasons why people still go hungry. That and logistics. Because those who produce want compensation for what they produce.
Eugenics isn't a bad idea, only who gets to decide what stays is the issue. I wouldn't mind the cleansing of all people who are sociopaths but I would mind the cleansing of all people who are near sighted.
Oh and the (very real) possibility that neurons form together into a feedback or amplifier system. As a very simplified example - a single neuron can be put into a quantum superposition state of transmitting/not transmitting its signal to the next neuron. What actually happens will depend on the 'collapse' of the state vector. Subsequently, the domino effect of amplification will translate this quantum occurence into a macro one
Content of above post: meaningless bable (50%) plausible idea (1%) proof (0%) overly complicated idea(49%) _________________________________ Sum of parts: nothing.
You don't really require a consitant ethical system to live. Our rational reason for not randomly hurting people is that we will be punished for it. Empathy helps too. We're empathetic because it's a trait that helps our species survive, all humans are closer to us then any other animal so We feel a storng empathy to protect certain individuals 9children/women/elderly). A lot of our percieved morals or values are societal constraints or biological impulses. Societies are dynamic entities in themselves, an immergent property of large collections of social animals. Those without sufficient regulation against destructive indivuals die out quickly.
Although I'm a Christian and believe in god, there is more evidence pointing to the big bang then to other theories. Is it so hard to think god caused the big bang and god motivates evolution? Theres a difference between faith and random stupidity.
It's not known if it's nessacary to simulate things down to even a atomic level to simulate sentience. You may get away with just making a analogue of each neuron.
I am not claiming to have any superiour insight on the topic, but there is no proof to claim that it is all mechanical, chemical, or predictable. One of the only knowns about the mind is that it is unknown
Complete and utter bullshit. There is a lot known about the mind. If you get a lobbotomy, you will change, this strongly implies that your consciousness/personality is a physical trait.
People are incredible predictable. As a group. As individuals we are as well. If I took a electric rpobe and started poking your brain there are known centres tat cause known reactions. poke the visual centers, you'll see things. Poke the auditory area, you'll hear things. How is that not predictable?
Thats my point. The things the anonomous coward listed aren't higher brain functions. I'm sure the cat knows and is concious of pain. He's a vertibrate that not too far away from us, so it's likley he "feels" it the same way.
Think of it this way, dolphins have a completely different frame a reference then humans, if they are concious it'd be a very alien conciousness. Conciousness is hard to define partly because we can only see things from our point of view. We can't ask a cat if it thinks about the nature of being, so we dont' know. It might be that all creatures have "philosophy" and other things we associate with higher brain functions, but theirs is just alien.
If we made an AI it would have a thrououghly different frame of reference, the turing tests may be erronous. It may be concious and intelligent but utterly inhuman.
PS. You can control your heart beat to an exstent, you can control your sweatign to an exstent, and serotonin levels can also be manipulated. I can cause sweatign by thinking about it, and slow my heart beat with meditation and ditto with serotonin.
Slashdot mirrors the current simplistic materialistic world view really well. I have expected a little bit more here than "Yes we are just a buch of molecules etc.".
Think about it. These ideas are not new. Yet they do not explain everything. There is more stuff to learn.
why should we expect a bit more? theres is 0 evidence that there is anything more to the story so far, then why complicate it? wihtou a compelling reason then we are left with "Yes we are just a buch of molecules etc.".
The electrical part referes to the messages the enurons send, they use sodium gate to generate an electric potential differential that moves fast. This is a form of cellular communications. You aren't the result of the electrcity, your the result of the neuron cnnections.
I find this view poitn about he same as "new age" meta science. Humans aren't that diferent form other animals. there no proof that it's anything other then a deterministic object, a finite state machine
AC's always get the mod smack down lol. You simply explained some simply autonomic systems, Feel cold? so does most thermal sensors. Feel pain? thats an internal diagnostic telling you somethign is wrong, in a way the temperature sensor ina P4 chip is similiar. Feel depressed, you need more serotonin.
Nothing overly special about people, their animal just like dogs and their thoughts aren't particularly complex. Eat/sleep/copulate, thee things occupy us way mroe then "I wonder why I'm here".
yeah. to us A and not A isn't an inconsitancy but simple jibrish. It's syntactically correct but meaningless. We dont' understand the concept. Meaningless. Thus we aren't any mroe advanced thena computer because to a computer it's meaningless.
Thats pretty junk science, your assumming conciousness involves anythign more then the brain? It's a finite state machines. If you can simulate it accuratly enough it makes sense that the simulation will behave almost exactlyliek the real thing. The turing tests is a measure if it's sufficiently advanced to be conscious simply have it tested, if no one can distinguish it from people then it's sufficiently aware to be concious.
lol. Think about microing. a key par of any RTS. It's basically exploiting the computer AI to gain more efficient use of your units. Things that are actual abuse like making farms that give more then they cost, or POV 120 tend to get removed if their unfair. If some player used it before they now cannot. Even these slight atvantaged commands and tricks are junk because of the effort required to get used to/ do them.
Strict rules would be anolgous to special rule tourneys. The normal rules are used for everybody else, for tourneys the rules are stricter or weirder. There is soem standardization in chess about the rule. Also using a computer in chess is like using a pure bot in FPS's.
Age has nothing to do wiht being a begginer. It doesn't matter if you were 30 when pong came out, your still new to most recent games because of your newbie mind set.
And if you know anything about the underlying engines, crates = walls for many engines. Even walls, If I hid around the corner and you shoot me because it's a common hiding spot I should die.
As for a cheater rationalizing, I can assure you I'm too lazy to adjust most of the settings, however I have to reduce the rendering quality of smoke bombs to ensure my computer doesn't slow to a crawl. However should I also set bridges ot render thinner or set my POV to 120' not 90', if the engine allows me then I have no problem wihtsomeone doing so. IT's not rationalizing, rationalizing would be if I said "since everyone aimbots any ways minus well". I dont' aimbot/maphack/wallhack/driverhack/ect... I'm a pure player. Drop me infront of any box with the game and I'll happily play. I'm a compeditor. I play until I win. I played chess wiht a friend for 89 games and lost each and eavery oe of them except the last one which I won. there after he never played me again.
Also: Drop thresh onto any compter with Quake 3, he'll twiddle the settings to make it render faster and customize other thigns with the console. Drop tillerman in front a computer with war 3 and he's twiddle the settigns for higher resolution (see more of the field) and reduce color to reduce lag ect..
Your missing th epoint, your anology of coughing and weezing is liek using a map hack or a wall hack. What he means is more like your cryign foul because you can't use the knight as well as your opponent can so you tell him knights are cheap.
Obviously people can do those things since NBA players, baseball pitchers, and NASCAR drivers are people. "lol" right back at ya!
Missed the qualifier did ya, re-read my statement
lol. Let see, most people can't dunk, thus all NBA players are cheaters. Most poeple can't throw curve balls so all Baseball pitchers are haxxors. Most drivers can't apex turn so NASCAR driver are cheap Apex whores.
Most != all.
As for no fog, that fair, no glowing aura thats fine too, adjust the gamma thats all good, shoot through walls, thats a key feature. If a camper is hiding behind a crate thats a common hiding spot, why not allow me to shoot him through the crate. In CS there are a lot of such things, Player A hides behind a crate thinking "Good I can camp his ass" while player b thinks hmm... He's hid there the last 4 rouds I think I'll just shoot my awp at the box just in case. Dead player A. But the bullet lost damage as it passes through objects so random firing at all ways on't help you.
You are the very picture of a new player whining.
If they meant for you nto to abel to turn off the smoek fro a smoke grenade then make sure they can't. If it's a command thats nto widly known then it isn't cheap just obscure. Liek my examples knowing or doing some things most people don't or can't doesn't mean yoru cheap it just means you've got the leg up.
It's widly held that the PS2 controllers are the bst of the 3 systems because fo their small form factor, anologue sticks excepted. They were additions to the original design. Even so they are fairly decent.
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We have the food enough to feed us all, it's socio economic reasons why people still go hungry. That and logistics. Because those who produce want compensation for what they produce.
Eugenics isn't a bad idea, only who gets to decide what stays is the issue. I wouldn't mind the cleansing of all people who are sociopaths but I would mind the cleansing of all people who are near sighted.
Ever heard of chaos theory?
Oh and the (very real) possibility that neurons form together into a feedback or amplifier system. As a very simplified example - a single neuron can be put into a quantum superposition state of transmitting/not transmitting its signal to the next neuron. What actually happens will depend on the 'collapse' of the state vector. Subsequently, the domino effect of amplification will translate this quantum occurence into a macro one
Content of above post:
meaningless bable (50%)
plausible idea (1%)
proof (0%)
overly complicated idea(49%)
_________________________________
Sum of parts:
nothing.
You don't really require a consitant ethical system to live. Our rational reason for not randomly hurting people is that we will be punished for it. Empathy helps too. We're empathetic because it's a trait that helps our species survive, all humans are closer to us then any other animal so We feel a storng empathy to protect certain individuals 9children/women/elderly). A lot of our percieved morals or values are societal constraints or biological impulses. Societies are dynamic entities in themselves, an immergent property of large collections of social animals. Those without sufficient regulation against destructive indivuals die out quickly.
Although I'm a Christian and believe in god, there is more evidence pointing to the big bang then to other theories. Is it so hard to think god caused the big bang and god motivates evolution? Theres a difference between faith and random stupidity.
It's not known if it's nessacary to simulate things down to even a atomic level to simulate sentience. You may get away with just making a analogue of each neuron.
I am not claiming to have any superiour insight on the topic, but there is no proof to claim that it is all mechanical, chemical, or predictable. One of the only knowns about the mind is that it is unknown
Complete and utter bullshit. There is a lot known about the mind. If you get a lobbotomy, you will change, this strongly implies that your consciousness/personality is a physical trait.
People are incredible predictable. As a group. As individuals we are as well. If I took a electric rpobe and started poking your brain there are known centres tat cause known reactions. poke the visual centers, you'll see things. Poke the auditory area, you'll hear things. How is that not predictable?
The simulated sex you described is insufficiently similiar for me. BJ is a manual simulation of vaginal intercourse, and by god it's just as good.
Thats my point. The things the anonomous coward listed aren't higher brain functions. I'm sure the cat knows and is concious of pain. He's a vertibrate that not too far away from us, so it's likley he "feels" it the same way.
Think of it this way, dolphins have a completely different frame a reference then humans, if they are concious it'd be a very alien conciousness. Conciousness is hard to define partly because we can only see things from our point of view. We can't ask a cat if it thinks about the nature of being, so we dont' know. It might be that all creatures have "philosophy" and other things we associate with higher brain functions, but theirs is just alien.
If we made an AI it would have a thrououghly different frame of reference, the turing tests may be erronous. It may be concious and intelligent but utterly inhuman.
PS. You can control your heart beat to an exstent, you can control your sweatign to an exstent, and serotonin levels can also be manipulated. I can cause sweatign by thinking about it, and slow my heart beat with meditation and ditto with serotonin.
Slashdot mirrors the current simplistic materialistic world view really well.
I have expected a little bit more here than "Yes we are just a buch of molecules etc.".
Think about it. These ideas are not new. Yet they do not explain everything. There is more stuff to learn.
why should we expect a bit more? theres is 0 evidence that there is anything more to the story so far, then why complicate it? wihtou a compelling reason then we are left with "Yes we are just a buch of molecules etc.".
of what? A finite state machien knowing it's a finite state machine? hardly a contradiction there.
It fits, it's part of the "Heathe! Heathen burn her." aspect of christianity
problably some pop-sci rag.
The electrical part referes to the messages the enurons send, they use sodium gate to generate an electric potential differential that moves fast. This is a form of cellular communications. You aren't the result of the electrcity, your the result of the neuron cnnections.
I find this view poitn about he same as "new age" meta science. Humans aren't that diferent form other animals. there no proof that it's anything other then a deterministic object, a finite state machine
AC's always get the mod smack down lol. You simply explained some simply autonomic systems, Feel cold? so does most thermal sensors. Feel pain? thats an internal diagnostic telling you somethign is wrong, in a way the temperature sensor ina P4 chip is similiar. Feel depressed, you need more serotonin.
Nothing overly special about people, their animal just like dogs and their thoughts aren't particularly complex. Eat/sleep/copulate, thee things occupy us way mroe then "I wonder why I'm here".
Now define simulated sex? I'd say a blow job is simulated sex and yes a blow job does the job so to speak. Hand job isn't close enough.
yeah. to us A and not A isn't an inconsitancy but simple jibrish. It's syntactically correct but meaningless. We dont' understand the concept. Meaningless. Thus we aren't any mroe advanced thena computer because to a computer it's meaningless.
Thats pretty junk science, your assumming conciousness involves anythign more then the brain? It's a finite state machines. If you can simulate it accuratly enough it makes sense that the simulation will behave almost exactlyliek the real thing. The turing tests is a measure if it's sufficiently advanced to be conscious simply have it tested, if no one can distinguish it from people then it's sufficiently aware to be concious.
lol. Think about microing. a key par of any RTS. It's basically exploiting the computer AI to gain more efficient use of your units. Things that are actual abuse like making farms that give more then they cost, or POV 120 tend to get removed if their unfair. If some player used it before they now cannot. Even these slight atvantaged commands and tricks are junk because of the effort required to get used to/ do them.
Strict rules would be anolgous to special rule tourneys. The normal rules are used for everybody else, for tourneys the rules are stricter or weirder. There is soem standardization in chess about the rule. Also using a computer in chess is like using a pure bot in FPS's.
Age has nothing to do wiht being a begginer. It doesn't matter if you were 30 when pong came out, your still new to most recent games because of your newbie mind set.
And if you know anything about the underlying engines, crates = walls for many engines. Even walls, If I hid around the corner and you shoot me because it's a common hiding spot I should die.
As for a cheater rationalizing, I can assure you I'm too lazy to adjust most of the settings, however I have to reduce the rendering quality of smoke bombs to ensure my computer doesn't slow to a crawl. However should I also set bridges ot render thinner or set my POV to 120' not 90', if the engine allows me then I have no problem wihtsomeone doing so. IT's not rationalizing, rationalizing would be if I said "since everyone aimbots any ways minus well". I dont' aimbot/maphack/wallhack/driverhack/ect... I'm a pure player. Drop me infront of any box with the game and I'll happily play. I'm a compeditor. I play until I win. I played chess wiht a friend for 89 games and lost each and eavery oe of them except the last one which I won. there after he never played me again.
Also: Drop thresh onto any compter with Quake 3, he'll twiddle the settings to make it render faster and customize other thigns with the console.
Drop tillerman in front a computer with war 3 and he's twiddle the settigns for higher resolution (see more of the field) and reduce color to reduce lag ect..
This is called optimization not cheating.
apparently, the mods think my english was fine even if mis-typed.
Your missing th epoint, your anology of coughing and weezing is liek using a map hack or a wall hack. What he means is more like your cryign foul because you can't use the knight as well as your opponent can so you tell him knights are cheap.
Obviously people can do those things since NBA players, baseball pitchers, and NASCAR drivers are people. "lol" right back at ya!
Missed the qualifier did ya, re-read my statement
lol. Let see, most people can't dunk, thus all NBA players are cheaters. Most poeple can't throw curve balls so all Baseball pitchers are haxxors. Most drivers can't apex turn so NASCAR driver are cheap Apex whores.
Most != all.
As for no fog, that fair, no glowing aura thats fine too, adjust the gamma thats all good, shoot through walls, thats a key feature. If a camper is hiding behind a crate thats a common hiding spot, why not allow me to shoot him through the crate. In CS there are a lot of such things, Player A hides behind a crate thinking "Good I can camp his ass" while player b thinks hmm... He's hid there the last 4 rouds I think I'll just shoot my awp at the box just in case. Dead player A. But the bullet lost damage as it passes through objects so random firing at all ways on't help you.
You are the very picture of a new player whining.
If they meant for you nto to abel to turn off the smoek fro a smoke grenade then make sure they can't. If it's a command thats nto widly known then it isn't cheap just obscure. Liek my examples knowing or doing some things most people don't or can't doesn't mean yoru cheap it just means you've got the leg up.
It's widly held that the PS2 controllers are the bst of the 3 systems because fo their small form factor, anologue sticks excepted. They were additions to the original design. Even so they are fairly decent.