And yet, today nobody uses that. Care to come up with some kind of theory as to why that may be? After inevitably concluding that usenet is dead for good, would you mind perhaps expending a little effort on the task at hand? i.e. ideas on how to improve forums and chat, not doggedly insisting on doing things the exact same way they were done two decades ago?
The point is to advance on the state of the art, not just keep implementing the same shit. Surely there is a better way to moderate and administrate? I do think we can use some ideas from NNTP, such as its decentralization.
I agree with your perspective 100% on this. I have been reading a lot of WP math articles lately, and many of them are really difficult to follow. A Google search usually brings up a different site within 2-3 results which has a 10x better, easier to read explanation of the same concept. I'm not stupid, I have a 135+ IQ...but blaming the reader and making excuses is par for the course at WP.
The funny thing is, most of these concepts I've read about are at their heart quite simple. It's the people who have no clue how to explain things which makes it complicated and difficult to understand.
It's interesting to see the evolution of forums and chat as we continue into the Internet Age. As forums get larger and larger and number of messages posted increases, it quickly exposes the flaws of the current paradigm. We need a rethink of forum/chat systems. The old PHPBB/SMF/VBulletin deal is inadequate and does not scale. Slashdot has some of the right ideas, but I don't think it's the holy grail either.
ITT: Others brightly chime in with awesome ideas of how to innovate in forums, only to have their ideas shamelessly stolen err borrowed by err..someone who then goes on to make millions of bucks from it. Or just creates something fucking awesome and gives it away free to mankind....THEN people just hand him $20s all day long on the street cause he's so awesome. (Right...) I dunno exactly what the future holds, ladies and gentlemen, but when thinking minds come together I know we can figure out what the future should look like, then implement it. So let's hear it.
Ok, I'm a nerd...but...people in Slashdot, at least have something interesting to discuss, like world peace, new chips, new technology, new innovations...etc.
I agree. I think this article should be removed, since some other article is clearly blocked from being published due to its presence. Worse still, approximately 762k of disk space and a mind numbing 3 million bits of data have been absurdly wasted on this catastrophe of a submission. My eyes are bleeding just imagining the horror. What were the editors thinking? Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go comment on some more interesting article on a real tech web site (like Kuro5hin), before recompiling my kernel. (I'm working on integrating the Metro UI to Windows 2000.)
Only if you're a moron. Those with business sense on the other hand would prefer to perform a proper analysis and weigh the possibilities before jumping to a conclusion.
This kind of resistance is going to be remembered down the line, when watchdog groups find instances of companies failing to respect DNT headers. If enough of a pattern is found, the "trackers" will need to be able to prove to Congress that they can do the right thing without it getting legislated to them.
Why in the world would they need to do that? I thought this was a free country.
You can also have useful content without ads. A popular web forum can be run for $25/month and 8-10 hours/month as a hobby. I know because I did it for years. http://www.cadillacpower.com/forum . No ads. No spam. NO tracking or data mining. EVER.
most people aren't trained to know what is too fast for conditions.
Sure they are; it's called having a fucking brain. I know most people in school aren't "trained" to think, but don't project your own limitations on others.
I am an expert driver. Trying to limit me to the lowest common denominator is stupid and wrong.
The number 1 cause of accidents is not paying attention, and human drivers are NEVER paying attention n to everything all the time, and it gets worse the longer the travel at a consistent speed down ad familiar road.
What's your point?
A) people get bored at any speed B) 55 means more reaction time when an event happens.
Yeah, and it's even better at 30. And at 20. If you used your brain, you might see why this line of argumentation is beyond retarded.
yes, driving an a road at a high rate of speed subject to more variables and putting other people lives at risk is you right to fun.
Is "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" just a meaningless phrase to you?
You want to drive fast? Go to a speed way.
You want to drive slow? Fuck off, because I'm driving fast anyway, and there isn't shit you can do about. Fucking fascist bitch.
If I am going faster then the number 2 lane? no, I'm not going to slow down and changes lane to accommodate you over compensation for your tiny penis.
In Germany, you would be ticketed for being a fucking moron. I love that you talk about selfishness, when its fucktards like you who just love to piss people off by holding up traffic. Life about more than you.
And for those saying "What about the Autobahn!?!" remember that Germany is a different country with a different driving culture.
So what's the American driving culture? Last I checked, it's people doing 80-100+ MPH all day long. So why are we trying (naively, stupidly) to change that culture by setting artificially low speed limits?
Parent is not a troll, mods. Sounds like some city dwellers got butt-hurt over his comment, but I feel the exact same way reading comments from clueless city dwellers who don't have a car and GODDAMNIT why can't us stupid country bumpkins get along without one too? These are the same dumb asses you hear talking about "renting a truck" any time they have to take some of some small task. They are poor, helpless, and PROUD of it, and don't get why retards like me would want to live out in the country where it's quiet and peaceful and I can do things like DRIVE for miles without seeing another car.
Oh and one more thing: People are VERY bad at judging risk, even when they don't take the government's word for it. It's in our nature to be really bad at it,
Slashdot Mirror
Thanks for the recommendation, I'd never heard of that site.
And yet, today nobody uses that. Care to come up with some kind of theory as to why that may be? After inevitably concluding that usenet is dead for good, would you mind perhaps expending a little effort on the task at hand? i.e. ideas on how to improve forums and chat, not doggedly insisting on doing things the exact same way they were done two decades ago?
The point is to advance on the state of the art, not just keep implementing the same shit. Surely there is a better way to moderate and administrate? I do think we can use some ideas from NNTP, such as its decentralization.
I agree with your perspective 100% on this. I have been reading a lot of WP math articles lately, and many of them are really difficult to follow. A Google search usually brings up a different site within 2-3 results which has a 10x better, easier to read explanation of the same concept. I'm not stupid, I have a 135+ IQ...but blaming the reader and making excuses is par for the course at WP.
The funny thing is, most of these concepts I've read about are at their heart quite simple. It's the people who have no clue how to explain things which makes it complicated and difficult to understand.
Wikipedia has its uses, but overall it's shit.
Open a fucking history book some time.
And this is insightful? More like moronic
A small crowd of starving people vs my well fed and well armed self? I'll take those odds.
What's your alternative "solution"...just throw your hands up in the air and die? Good luck with that evolutionary "strategy."
c-c-c-c-c
COMBO
b- b- br- br
breaker.
"FINISH HIM"
It's interesting to see the evolution of forums and chat as we continue into the Internet Age. As forums get larger and larger and number of messages posted increases, it quickly exposes the flaws of the current paradigm. We need a rethink of forum/chat systems. The old PHPBB/SMF/VBulletin deal is inadequate and does not scale. Slashdot has some of the right ideas, but I don't think it's the holy grail either.
ITT: Others brightly chime in with awesome ideas of how to innovate in forums, only to have their ideas shamelessly stolen err borrowed by err..someone who then goes on to make millions of bucks from it. Or just creates something fucking awesome and gives it away free to mankind....THEN people just hand him $20s all day long on the street cause he's so awesome. (Right...) I dunno exactly what the future holds, ladies and gentlemen, but when thinking minds come together I know we can figure out what the future should look like, then implement it. So let's hear it.
Ok, I'm a nerd...but...people in Slashdot, at least have something interesting to discuss, like world peace, new chips, new technology, new innovations...etc.
I agree. I think this article should be removed, since some other article is clearly blocked from being published due to its presence. Worse still, approximately 762k of disk space and a mind numbing 3 million bits of data have been absurdly wasted on this catastrophe of a submission. My eyes are bleeding just imagining the horror. What were the editors thinking? Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go comment on some more interesting article on a real tech web site (like Kuro5hin), before recompiling my kernel. (I'm working on integrating the Metro UI to Windows 2000.)
Only if you're a moron. Those with business sense on the other hand would prefer to perform a proper analysis and weigh the possibilities before jumping to a conclusion.
Never heard of it.
This kind of resistance is going to be remembered down the line, when watchdog groups find instances of companies failing to respect DNT headers. If enough of a pattern is found, the "trackers" will need to be able to prove to Congress that they can do the right thing without it getting legislated to them.
Why in the world would they need to do that? I thought this was a free country.
You can also have useful content without ads. A popular web forum can be run for $25/month and 8-10 hours/month as a hobby. I know because I did it for years. http://www.cadillacpower.com/forum . No ads. No spam. NO tracking or data mining. EVER.
Or maybe you're just a fucktard.
most people aren't trained to know what is too fast for conditions.
Sure they are; it's called having a fucking brain. I know most people in school aren't "trained" to think, but don't project your own limitations on others.
I am an expert driver. Trying to limit me to the lowest common denominator is stupid and wrong.
The number 1 cause of accidents is not paying attention, and human drivers are NEVER paying attention n to everything all the time, and it gets worse the longer the travel at a consistent speed down ad familiar road.
What's your point?
A) people get bored at any speed
B) 55 means more reaction time when an event happens.
Yeah, and it's even better at 30. And at 20. If you used your brain, you might see why this line of argumentation is beyond retarded.
yes, driving an a road at a high rate of speed subject to more variables and putting other people lives at risk is you right to fun.
Is "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" just a meaningless phrase to you?
You want to drive fast? Go to a speed way.
You want to drive slow? Fuck off, because I'm driving fast anyway, and there isn't shit you can do about. Fucking fascist bitch.
The Interstate Highway System was initially designed for speeds of 100+ MPH.
When I drive fast, I know that I'm statistically increasing the _fatality_ rate (as opposed to _accident_ rate).
Sigh....you don't understand statistics.
How are you increasing the fatality rate if you don't cause an accident? That doesn't make any sense at all.
Actually, I really don't fucking care. You see, I'm already going the speed limit. Thus, there's no reason I shouldn't be in the left lane,
No, you stupid fuck--NO.
SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT.
^ What part of that is so difficult for your tiny brain to process, twit?
If I am going faster then the number 2 lane? no, I'm not going to slow down and changes lane to accommodate you over compensation for your tiny penis.
In Germany, you would be ticketed for being a fucking moron. I love that you talk about selfishness, when its fucktards like you who just love to piss people off by holding up traffic. Life about more than you.
And for those saying "What about the Autobahn!?!" remember that Germany is a different country with a different driving culture.
So what's the American driving culture? Last I checked, it's people doing 80-100+ MPH all day long. So why are we trying (naively, stupidly) to change that culture by setting artificially low speed limits?
And yours do too, asshole. Your fucking stupid speed limits and other ridiculous laws are fucking up my life. STOP IT.
Parent is not a troll, mods. Sounds like some city dwellers got butt-hurt over his comment, but I feel the exact same way reading comments from clueless city dwellers who don't have a car and GODDAMNIT why can't us stupid country bumpkins get along without one too? These are the same dumb asses you hear talking about "renting a truck" any time they have to take some of some small task. They are poor, helpless, and PROUD of it, and don't get why retards like me would want to live out in the country where it's quiet and peaceful and I can do things like DRIVE for miles without seeing another car.
The first one is America, the second is Germany. Just to be clear.
Oh and one more thing: People are VERY bad at judging risk, even when they don't take the government's word for it. It's in our nature to be really bad at it,
Stop projecting.