As I explained, you can easily get very very quiet fans. In fact, those fans that you are using for your rads, well you can use 1 on your CPU and you're done, nothing else needs to be done (yes, you can get adapters to fit 120mm or 80mm onto your CPU)... Aircooled will work and can be quieter than watercooled (or at least just as quiet)
It's glad to see the open source movement doing it's job.
It's glad to see? uh-huh. Me got more gooder grammer than you!;)
You'll have to pardon my ignorance, but I wasn't aware that the primary purpose of OSS software was to be used as a tool in fighting whatever software giant you're pissed off at this week who has built their company based on several hundred year old capitalist traditions.
If this is the case, then OSS is truly not any better than "they" are.
I was under the impression that is was done not as a tool to fight back, but as a way of sharing and growth through collective encouragement and communal effort towards a better solution. That's a much more noble cause if you ask me.
Too many people fall into that trap of fighting for all the wrong reasons, especially when that fighting is only in the form of words and stress that builds up instead of simply quietly and calmly passing on the word and voting with your wallet instead. I'm not saying that everyone does this, not by any stretch, but I see far too many people that turn their personal choice into a religion and crusade to make sure that the competetors die off.
Remedial Math! Grade 5 lesson!
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Number of napster/gnutella/imesh/audiogalaxy/etc/etc users : well over 10,000,000 (on at one time? easily well over 1,000,000)
Assuming a bandwidth of 50kb/s avg per user, they're going to need... A PRETTY FAT PIPE if they hope to DoS anyone. And with the technology (ideas?) that have been created in order to fight the spreading of virii, there's no way they could possibly hope to do anything.
They're truly grasping at straws.
But you have to give them merit for one thing:
They are finally going after the source of the problem instead of trying to introduce legislation to hurt everyone. Yes yes yes you do hurt some of the indy artists who are legitimately trading online, but you can't deny that well over 90% of online trading through any sort of mp3 sharing service is going to be pirated.
It's a futile attempt, just like all of their other ones, but finally they've gotten their heads out of their asses long enough to come up for air to see that maybe they're headed down the wrong path. The question is to see how far they put them back up once they're done.
So I have a TBird 1.5GHz machine, and it hits 100% processing capacity for 0.02% of the time that it's in use. Save the time that I do mpeg compressing, but that's rare and the difference in speed that a watercooled system would give me over this would be negligable.
Using an expensive watercooler solution (well, expensive compared to a $30 air cooler that will work perfectly fine) to squeeze out a few extra megahertz, is that really worth all of the hassle?
Even at work I had an P3/800 (don't start with the intel bashing) and did a lot of work daily including compiling, and was upgraded to a P3/933 (at the expense of my friend who was away for a week, and I... kinda forgot to return the processor) and guess what? Neither one of us really noticed much of a difference. That's 133 MHz difference, a full 33MHz FSB boost too, and for just about everything that we did, we didn't notice a difference.
If you're just so keen that you need to go from 33FPS to 33.8FPS in your Quake3 games, then, well, your choice... But is there really any good practical applications where the cost of a watercooled solution is worth the price? Keep in mind that you're comparing not the marked speed of the chip, but the speed that you could overclock to with air vs the speed that you can overclock to with water. I'd be surprised if you can see more than a 5MHz FSB difference there, even if 10MHz difference at a 15x multiplier (which means that you're already at 1.5GHz) you can gain 150MHz, which will do what for you? Practically nothing. Now add int he factor that you could just add the money of the watercooled solution to the cost of the chip to get the next higher up model, and... well frankly I don't see the point other than just the coolness factor of having glow-in-the-dark coolant running through your PC =)
And before someone starts on the noise levels, we have a Dell 1.5GHz P4 at work that you have to put your ear right next to the bloody box to hear anything at all, they are VERY quiet. They have 2 fans too (1 case that blows across a heatsink on the proc through a tube, and 1 for the power supply). They are both thermally throttled and the hard drives are mounted on a thin strip of rubber too. Trust me, these babies are SWEET boxes and QUIET too.
So, who can explain to me why this would be worth it? I'm curious to know =)
They're saying that they want the computers to handle the mundane tasks so that the IT people can have more time for the more important tasks, like the person-to-person tasks. Do you know any IT worker who isn't overworked? This is designed to help alleviate their stress and give them more time for the more important things in life.
It's awfully hard for me to find 4 gigs of stuff I absolutely can't live without on my machine.
Why bother with a dat tape? They're bloody expensive. And I have a hard time finding 700MB of stuff that I absolutely can't live without (all source code backups, ICQ and email for the past 5 years, and personal documents easily fit in under 100MB).
But it's about all those 300GB of MP3s that you have that you want backed up, and it's not very practical to do that onto CD.
That's why I'm just buying extra drives and mirroring the set. No problems then. It's extremely unlikely that I'll have a dual failure at the same time, so I'm not too worried.
It's not that they're missing out on a Win95 sale, but they are missing out on a WinXP sale because that person would have to buy WinXP if they couldn't get the Win95 license.
I spent a great deal of time in highschool as the head of our Sound & Light crew... Anything in the school that needed sound, or lighting, was my department.
I spent MANY an hour in front of 24-channel massive audio mixer boards (things like this and this for big productions), and we had many concerts that were hosted through these beasts as well. In short, I became very very very sensitive to any sort of distortion in music. It was quite humerous, I would be sitting at home listening to some music and I would picture, in my head, the mixer board and say "ok, gotta adjust this knob here, this one here, and this one"... It was BAD.
So thus was born the audiophile.
At a $1400 stereo later I am... content. It's not perfect, but it does what I need for now. I have a friend with a $50k setup... drool... We watched "The Rock" at his house a few times, that was damned sweet.
In short, no, I do listen to the music. But I listen far far too closely.
As for my MP3/OGG choice? Well, I don't care about disk space. I am fond of lame at ~192kbit/s VBR encoding (range 64-320) which does an excellent job, but even up to 320kbit/s I can usually notice some distortions on my stereo system. All formats are lossy. I played around with ogg a while back but due to lack of players I decided to stick with MP3.
If you want high quality, play it off of the CD that you own, otherwise you'll have to settle for less.
Also, it depends a lot on the type of music you're listening to. A lot of dance/trance/techno can do perfectly fine compressed without a lot of loss, however listen to anything with acoustic instruments and even the CD standard itself isn't good enough to convey it without noticable loss.
Moral: Try not to use anything better than what you currently own. Never use anything better than what you can afford, because then you will be tempted to figure out how you can afford it.
Right and what this means is that Microsoft can have Media Player "download" a blacklist of mp3s/wmas and thus refuse to play any files that are on that blacklist. Anything that you have created yourself (from stuff that you own) won't be on this blacklist, and thus you will have no problems playing it.
I'm not saying that it's right, but I am saying that it's not at all surprising, and this was pushed by the RIAA as well. And since (what everybody has been saying that) you legally own all of the mp3s on your hard drive then you have nothing to worry about.
The claim that this can be used with the highest-quality sound equipment is hilarious.
Although I agree that this is a COMPLETE waste of money (if it was $50 I'd consider it), I think that you need to define a few things before I'd agree with that statement. For starters, where did you get the MP3s? If you just grabbed all of the 128kbit mp3s that you could find off the internet and randomly play them, sure possibly. If you have a $5000 stereo system, sure, probably. But I do all of my rips at (at least) 192kbit/s VBR with lame, and I don't get pops and clicks, and I have a $1400 stereo system that they sound wonderful in. If you listen carefully yes, it's obvious that it's an MP3, but for all intensive purposes it's just fine. Especially when I'm driving a house party or anything else that just serves as background music. If I'm going to listen to music, and JUST listen to music (i.e. Beethoven or Mozart) then I'll use the real CD. Otherwise MP3s work just fine with my HiFi system.
And any MP3s that I do get off the internet (I will make no pretense that I don't illegally copy music) I will always listen to them before putting them through the big system.
I dunno, I'm perfectly content with using MP3s just about everywhere.
Hey that's a great idea. When you can't win your argument by logic (or at least by talking about the same bloody thing that your opponent is talking about), just swear at him. You'll win that way every time.
I don't think that is the case because of things like disk caches. While the CPU is busy computing the graphics for your level you can easily load up whatever portions of the level that you need to into RAM at the same time, so I'm not sure that this is much of an issue.
I was implying that if you have suspend to RAM then you don't need to worry about powering down or anything, and as long as you keep everything in RAM then hard disk access required to "boot" up the system again is next to nothing, thus giving even less importance to a 4GB "ramdrive"
"1 step away?"
It tells me turn left in 50/40/30m etc (countdown)
via the screen and also SPEAKS the intructions.
I'm in Canada, so the mapping software that I have is patchy at best and doesn't support the text features, but I know that there are ones that do =)
Yes, it is quite cool and fun! Great toy indeed.
Re:So obviously intentional...
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Hmm you may be on to something.
Eerie parallels:
BERT - Lives alone with another guy
OSAMA - Lives in mud huts with other guys
BERT - Has no visible source of income
OSAMA - Has no current source of income
BERT - Hangs around with a 6 foot tall yellow bird
OSAMA - You never know.
Woah... I think it's a pokaroo thingy here. Ever notice how (other than in a doctored picture) you never see Bert and Osama at the same time? That can only be because (media logic here)... He must be the same person! That's gotta be what the big secret and the hidden message is!!
but it does creep me out to think people could easily track me
why? seriously. someone could follow you around all day, and you wouldn't know it. Someone could tag you with a tracking device, and you wouldn't know it. And just knowing where you've been doesn't tell a lot either. For all you know that guy could have been flirting with a cashier (you'd think that if he went to the same place every day they'd know him by face anyways), and if you have nothing to hide then does it really matter what other people know?
I think that this is the situation that this phrase really pertains to:
ignorance is bliss
I go by the philosophy that if someone can be doing something, and it really wouldn't change anything if they were, then what should it matter if they were doing it? If someone was waiting to catch me picking my nose, I'll pick it for them. If someone is going to follow me around to catch me coming out of the shower, I'll show them. If someone could be watching my debit card usage (you must be Canadian =P) and saw that I went to the porn shop twice a week, then what should it matter if someone did know that? And people who would jump to conclusions based on simple prejudice I really don't care much for anyways.
knows I shop at spatulas-r-us once a week
Did you perhaps mean Spatula City?? =) I loved UHF =) "So you can take the new car, or you can choose what's in the box!" (lots of crowd murmuring) "The box! I'll take the box!" "And what's in the box?... NOTHING... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! YOU SO STUPID!" (lol)
So obviously intentional...
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Yes, I read about how it was done, funny...
But did anyone notice that the large OBL is the same as the one in the picture of Bert? This means that either the maker of the poster (a) found the original or (b) had enough editing skills to cut him out of the doctored one with Bert. In either case, he obviously worked with the image and thus obviously would have seen bert, and anyone with two brain cells to rub together would realize that it's awefully strange to have a large puppet behind OBL in an image...
Perhaps not everything is a great conspiracy by microsoft to take over the world and know your exact and every movements, eh?
However you do raise a point. If it could be turned on remotely, by say a court order, then you'd be in trouble.
However I'm not important enough to worry about big brother following me around or people taking great interest in everything that I do. You want to watch me? Go ahead. =)
Interesting, I didn't think about that point, however my hard drives are usually very quiet and are only audable if you put your ear to the case or when they're seeking like mad. However you do have a point.
I said numerous times that the only advantage is latency, and it's not going to speed up someone's game of quake or running their office applications or reading slashdot. There are very limited uses to solid state devices right now that warrant the price
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Yeah, I work on cars too, I understand the fun and coolness factor =)
But can your 700 TBird do 1GHz on water? If It can't do 800 on Air, what makes you think it can do 1GHz on water?
Water isn't going to allow you to overclock +300 more than you can get on air.
And you can get very silent fans for power computers (1.4GHz with a 80mm fan is very quiet)
As I explained, you can easily get very very quiet fans. In fact, those fans that you are using for your rads, well you can use 1 on your CPU and you're done, nothing else needs to be done (yes, you can get adapters to fit 120mm or 80mm onto your CPU)... Aircooled will work and can be quieter than watercooled (or at least just as quiet)
It's glad to see the open source movement doing it's job.
;)
It's glad to see? uh-huh. Me got more gooder grammer than you!
You'll have to pardon my ignorance, but I wasn't aware that the primary purpose of OSS software was to be used as a tool in fighting whatever software giant you're pissed off at this week who has built their company based on several hundred year old capitalist traditions.
If this is the case, then OSS is truly not any better than "they" are.
I was under the impression that is was done not as a tool to fight back, but as a way of sharing and growth through collective encouragement and communal effort towards a better solution. That's a much more noble cause if you ask me.
Too many people fall into that trap of fighting for all the wrong reasons, especially when that fighting is only in the form of words and stress that builds up instead of simply quietly and calmly passing on the word and voting with your wallet instead. I'm not saying that everyone does this, not by any stretch, but I see far too many people that turn their personal choice into a religion and crusade to make sure that the competetors die off.
Number of napster/gnutella/imesh/audiogalaxy/etc/etc users : well over 10,000,000 (on at one time? easily well over 1,000,000)
... A PRETTY FAT PIPE if they hope to DoS anyone. And with the technology (ideas?) that have been created in order to fight the spreading of virii, there's no way they could possibly hope to do anything.
Assuming a bandwidth of 50kb/s avg per user, they're going to need
They're truly grasping at straws.
But you have to give them merit for one thing:
They are finally going after the source of the problem instead of trying to introduce legislation to hurt everyone. Yes yes yes you do hurt some of the indy artists who are legitimately trading online, but you can't deny that well over 90% of online trading through any sort of mp3 sharing service is going to be pirated.
It's a futile attempt, just like all of their other ones, but finally they've gotten their heads out of their asses long enough to come up for air to see that maybe they're headed down the wrong path. The question is to see how far they put them back up once they're done.
One word for you: HYPOCRITES . (good read, go there!)
or at least for right now.
... kinda forgot to return the processor) and guess what? Neither one of us really noticed much of a difference. That's 133 MHz difference, a full 33MHz FSB boost too, and for just about everything that we did, we didn't notice a difference.
... well frankly I don't see the point other than just the coolness factor of having glow-in-the-dark coolant running through your PC =)
So I have a TBird 1.5GHz machine, and it hits 100% processing capacity for 0.02% of the time that it's in use. Save the time that I do mpeg compressing, but that's rare and the difference in speed that a watercooled system would give me over this would be negligable.
Using an expensive watercooler solution (well, expensive compared to a $30 air cooler that will work perfectly fine) to squeeze out a few extra megahertz, is that really worth all of the hassle?
Even at work I had an P3/800 (don't start with the intel bashing) and did a lot of work daily including compiling, and was upgraded to a P3/933 (at the expense of my friend who was away for a week, and I
If you're just so keen that you need to go from 33FPS to 33.8FPS in your Quake3 games, then, well, your choice... But is there really any good practical applications where the cost of a watercooled solution is worth the price? Keep in mind that you're comparing not the marked speed of the chip, but the speed that you could overclock to with air vs the speed that you can overclock to with water. I'd be surprised if you can see more than a 5MHz FSB difference there, even if 10MHz difference at a 15x multiplier (which means that you're already at 1.5GHz) you can gain 150MHz, which will do what for you? Practically nothing. Now add int he factor that you could just add the money of the watercooled solution to the cost of the chip to get the next higher up model, and
And before someone starts on the noise levels, we have a Dell 1.5GHz P4 at work that you have to put your ear right next to the bloody box to hear anything at all, they are VERY quiet. They have 2 fans too (1 case that blows across a heatsink on the proc through a tube, and 1 for the power supply). They are both thermally throttled and the hard drives are mounted on a thin strip of rubber too. Trust me, these babies are SWEET boxes and QUIET too.
So, who can explain to me why this would be worth it? I'm curious to know =)
-- Sean
Huh? DDS-1 tapes can hold 2/4GB and are about $3.
And how much is the drive?
IIRC a lot more than the $120 that you can get a decent CDR for.
I think you read into that one a little wrong.
They're saying that they want the computers to handle the mundane tasks so that the IT people can have more time for the more important tasks, like the person-to-person tasks. Do you know any IT worker who isn't overworked? This is designed to help alleviate their stress and give them more time for the more important things in life.
At least in theory =)
It's awfully hard for me to find 4 gigs of stuff I absolutely can't live without on my machine.
Why bother with a dat tape? They're bloody expensive. And I have a hard time finding 700MB of stuff that I absolutely can't live without (all source code backups, ICQ and email for the past 5 years, and personal documents easily fit in under 100MB).
But it's about all those 300GB of MP3s that you have that you want backed up, and it's not very practical to do that onto CD.
That's why I'm just buying extra drives and mirroring the set. No problems then. It's extremely unlikely that I'll have a dual failure at the same time, so I'm not too worried.
I've done a pile of this stuff, drop me a line if you want some more help.
so its not like MS is missing out on a Win95 sale
It's not that they're missing out on a Win95 sale, but they are missing out on a WinXP sale because that person would have to buy WinXP if they couldn't get the Win95 license.
cute... but I disagree =)
... content. It's not perfect, but it does what I need for now. I have a friend with a $50k setup... drool... We watched "The Rock" at his house a few times, that was damned sweet.
I spent a great deal of time in highschool as the head of our Sound & Light crew... Anything in the school that needed sound, or lighting, was my department.
I spent MANY an hour in front of 24-channel massive audio mixer boards (things like this and this for big productions), and we had many concerts that were hosted through these beasts as well. In short, I became very very very sensitive to any sort of distortion in music. It was quite humerous, I would be sitting at home listening to some music and I would picture, in my head, the mixer board and say "ok, gotta adjust this knob here, this one here, and this one"... It was BAD.
So thus was born the audiophile.
At a $1400 stereo later I am
In short, no, I do listen to the music. But I listen far far too closely.
As for my MP3/OGG choice? Well, I don't care about disk space. I am fond of lame at ~192kbit/s VBR encoding (range 64-320) which does an excellent job, but even up to 320kbit/s I can usually notice some distortions on my stereo system. All formats are lossy. I played around with ogg a while back but due to lack of players I decided to stick with MP3.
If you want high quality, play it off of the CD that you own, otherwise you'll have to settle for less.
Also, it depends a lot on the type of music you're listening to. A lot of dance/trance/techno can do perfectly fine compressed without a lot of loss, however listen to anything with acoustic instruments and even the CD standard itself isn't good enough to convey it without noticable loss.
Moral: Try not to use anything better than what you currently own. Never use anything better than what you can afford, because then you will be tempted to figure out how you can afford it.
Right and what this means is that Microsoft can have Media Player "download" a blacklist of mp3s/wmas and thus refuse to play any files that are on that blacklist. Anything that you have created yourself (from stuff that you own) won't be on this blacklist, and thus you will have no problems playing it.
I'm not saying that it's right, but I am saying that it's not at all surprising, and this was pushed by the RIAA as well. And since (what everybody has been saying that) you legally own all of the mp3s on your hard drive then you have nothing to worry about.
Or just use Winamp, or just use Linux.
The claim that this can be used with the highest-quality sound equipment is hilarious.
Although I agree that this is a COMPLETE waste of money (if it was $50 I'd consider it), I think that you need to define a few things before I'd agree with that statement. For starters, where did you get the MP3s? If you just grabbed all of the 128kbit mp3s that you could find off the internet and randomly play them, sure possibly. If you have a $5000 stereo system, sure, probably. But I do all of my rips at (at least) 192kbit/s VBR with lame, and I don't get pops and clicks, and I have a $1400 stereo system that they sound wonderful in. If you listen carefully yes, it's obvious that it's an MP3, but for all intensive purposes it's just fine. Especially when I'm driving a house party or anything else that just serves as background music. If I'm going to listen to music, and JUST listen to music (i.e. Beethoven or Mozart) then I'll use the real CD. Otherwise MP3s work just fine with my HiFi system.
And any MP3s that I do get off the internet (I will make no pretense that I don't illegally copy music) I will always listen to them before putting them through the big system.
I dunno, I'm perfectly content with using MP3s just about everywhere.
Telek, just shut the fuck up.
Hey that's a great idea. When you can't win your argument by logic (or at least by talking about the same bloody thing that your opponent is talking about), just swear at him. You'll win that way every time.
I don't think that is the case because of things like disk caches. While the CPU is busy computing the graphics for your level you can easily load up whatever portions of the level that you need to into RAM at the same time, so I'm not sure that this is much of an issue.
I was implying that if you have suspend to RAM then you don't need to worry about powering down or anything, and as long as you keep everything in RAM then hard disk access required to "boot" up the system again is next to nothing, thus giving even less importance to a 4GB "ramdrive"
"1 step away?"
It tells me turn left in 50/40/30m etc (countdown)
via the screen and also SPEAKS the intructions.
I'm in Canada, so the mapping software that I have is patchy at best and doesn't support the text features, but I know that there are ones that do =)
Yes, it is quite cool and fun! Great toy indeed.
Hmm you may be on to something.
Eerie parallels:
BERT - Lives alone with another guy
OSAMA - Lives in mud huts with other guys
BERT - Has no visible source of income
OSAMA - Has no current source of income
BERT - Hangs around with a 6 foot tall yellow bird
OSAMA - You never know.
Woah... I think it's a pokaroo thingy here. Ever notice how (other than in a doctored picture) you never see Bert and Osama at the same time? That can only be because (media logic here)... He must be the same person! That's gotta be what the big secret and the hidden message is!!
(not aimed at you:)
Remember, think idiotically, act globally. =)
but it does creep me out to think people could easily track me
... NOTHING... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! YOU SO STUPID!" (lol)
why? seriously. someone could follow you around all day, and you wouldn't know it. Someone could tag you with a tracking device, and you wouldn't know it. And just knowing where you've been doesn't tell a lot either. For all you know that guy could have been flirting with a cashier (you'd think that if he went to the same place every day they'd know him by face anyways), and if you have nothing to hide then does it really matter what other people know?
I think that this is the situation that this phrase really pertains to:
ignorance is bliss
I go by the philosophy that if someone can be doing something, and it really wouldn't change anything if they were, then what should it matter if they were doing it? If someone was waiting to catch me picking my nose, I'll pick it for them. If someone is going to follow me around to catch me coming out of the shower, I'll show them. If someone could be watching my debit card usage (you must be Canadian =P) and saw that I went to the porn shop twice a week, then what should it matter if someone did know that? And people who would jump to conclusions based on simple prejudice I really don't care much for anyways.
knows I shop at spatulas-r-us once a week
Did you perhaps mean Spatula City?? =) I loved UHF =) "So you can take the new car, or you can choose what's in the box!" (lots of crowd murmuring) "The box! I'll take the box!" "And what's in the box?
Yes, I read about how it was done, funny...
But did anyone notice that the large OBL is the same as the one in the picture of Bert? This means that either the maker of the poster (a) found the original or (b) had enough editing skills to cut him out of the doctored one with Bert. In either case, he obviously worked with the image and thus obviously would have seen bert, and anyone with two brain cells to rub together would realize that it's awefully strange to have a large puppet behind OBL in an image...
I'd call you stupid names back in return, but I don't stoop that low
No... of course you don't. [slashdot.org]
Thanks for the chuckle.
Maybe I did that because of this comment, which was the parent to the one that you quoted.
Thanks for the chuckle.
Man you've been reading slashdot too much lately.
Perhaps not everything is a great conspiracy by microsoft to take over the world and know your exact and every movements, eh?
However you do raise a point. If it could be turned on remotely, by say a court order, then you'd be in trouble.
However I'm not important enough to worry about big brother following me around or people taking great interest in everything that I do. You want to watch me? Go ahead. =)
Noise Pollution
Interesting, I didn't think about that point, however my hard drives are usually very quiet and are only audable if you put your ear to the case or when they're seeking like mad. However you do have a point.
and you're apparently not reading my comments...
I said numerous times that the only advantage is latency, and it's not going to speed up someone's game of quake or running their office applications or reading slashdot. There are very limited uses to solid state devices right now that warrant the price
Am I clear this time? Good.