Cool! I still use as scratch disks some of the 50-odd disks I used to download the SLS distribution back in '93 or '94. Some of them are still labeled "SLS X3" or "SLS N2" or somesuch. I was just wondering the other day if these old distributions had been saved somewhere for historical curiosity.
I still remember a good part of a Saturday I spend at work using four machines to format, ftp, and copy floppies. As I would finish starting an operation on the fourth machine, the first one would just be finished, so I'd repeat the cycle. I have to say downloading an ISO image today is much easier!
I'm sorry, I think it a very good analogy. You have said nothing to convince me otherwise. How strong the security is of the house or the server is not the issue. The issue is that this guy is essentially guilty of "breaking and entering", regardless of his intent. Also, it doesn't really matter whether they found him or he notified them himself, what he did was wrong. Now, if he did the equivalent of "jiggling the lock" without going in and told them "did you know your door is unlocked", that might be a different issue. But from what I heard, he penetrated deeper into the system than that.
It's also irrelevant what's inside that he found. Using the house analogy again, it wouldn't matter whether you had dirty socks or the crown jewels in your dresser drawers, if I was even in the house then I have committed a crime.
Granted the FBI, prosecutors and the courts will probably go overboard, such as keeping him away from phones, etc.
I'll also admit that the NY Times should secure sensitive information. But I still don't believe that gives anyone the right to engage in "vigilante good-samaritanism".
So what? The end result is positive. If a person points out critical security flaws in your system, he's doing a service for you. True, it's obnoxious and even a little scary that the person could stick his/her nose that far into your system,
So if you find me in your house rummaging through your stuff and I claim I just wanted to check the security of your locks, is that ok?
I used one of my "throwaway" email addresses the other day to post to a web site. It only took two days for me to get one of the Nigerian spams to the address...
I just create a new address on my domain host for each company I do business with (the address will have the company name in it). Then, if I ever get spam to the address, I can prove who let my email address out. If it keeps getting spammed, I just block that email address.
Wrong. If I have a relatively simple lock to pick on my front door (like Kwikset locks are reputed to be) is the burglar who picks the lock somehow not responsible because the lock was easy to pick?
Some of us who have to work for a living also have to administrate the machines we use as our other full time job. Just because we don't spend all the extra time tracking every goddamn security flaw in Windows and installing the endless stream of patches, is it somehow no longer the virus writing bastard's fault?
My thoughts exactly! Besides, does anyone believe the puppet masters at Microsoft are going to allow them to let up on the FUD just yet? They need to drag this out a little longer so the so-called "expert industry analysts" can "caution" IT departments about deploying Linux.
SCO needs to be renamed back to Caldera. That will describe them better after IBM's legion of lawyers gets through with them (i.e., a large smoking crater in the ground).
It's too bad the management of SCO is still going to come out of this with a lot of money after selling off their inflated stock. I pity the fools who are actually *buying* it from them. (Oh, crap! I hope none of the mutual funds in my 401-K are buying it!)
Hmmm... I've seen several Fieros on the side of the road burning. The early ones had a problem with that. (Yes, I have one too:-)
So how the hell do you not notice a firetruck (presumably with lights flashing) bearing down on you? If the injury had been worse, we'd have a candidate for a Darwin award!
I saw a whole truckload of them shortly after they came out. I remember thinking they were really cool at the time. ('course I was about 12 at the time).
I think I've also seen *the* Back to the Future DeLorean on the back lot during the Universal Studios tour. It was parked in a parking lot with a lot of other cars near what I suppose is their automotive shop. The tour guide never mentioned it, so that makes me think it may have even been the real thing.
At the risk of killing my DSL connection, here is a photo I took of it. We were almost past it before I got my camera out and pointed in the right direction:-(
Wouldn't it be cool if all the linux users went to their local courthouses and filed a claim against SCO in small claims court. Not sure what to file for... I don't think you can sue someone for extortion in small claims court. But the idea of them having to defend against thousands of small lawsuites is interesting.
Well, if the pack of criminals we have as legislators here in Alabama were to select our senators, I'm not sure it would be a good thing. In general I'm a believer in states rights (remember, I'm from Alabama!). I see many of our problems today being cause by usurpation of power by the federal government. However I don't advocate a return to the government under the Articles.
As I mentioned, I think states themselves having some control over part of the Congress was an important check, if not as important as, say, the presidential veto.
I've wavered back and forth over the electoral college thing. I tend to think it is a good thing after the 2000 election fiasco. If I remember the numbers correctly, the percentage difference in the national total votes between Bush and Gore was actually less than the percentage difference between them in Florida. If we had had popular election in place then, the recounting would have gone on forever and would have been done nation-wide. So, while it might not be the most fair system, it at least means we decide who the president is in a somewhat timely fashion.
Ok. The constitution is filled with all sorts of checks and balances. Many of these we are all familiar with. Having the legislatures appoint the Senators was also an important check. While the House is directly elected by the people and directly represents them (hence the name), the Senate was to represent the states. If the federal government tried to grab too much power and usurp the states' rights, they could call their individual senators to the carpet. After the change, though, the states have no direct control over the federal governemnt. Their only choice is to go through the courts.
Socialism is good. The thought of everyone pitching in and helping those who cant for one reason or another help themselves is a good thought.
As long as the pitching in is voluntary. It's when it becomes mandatory that I have a problem with it.
As long as it is done in a democratic manner.
So when 50 percent or more decide it's ok steal from their neighbors to fund their pet project, it's ok? It's not charity if it's at the point of a gun.
Socialists like to point to the American health care system as failure of the capitalist system. The American healt care system is hardly a proper model of capitalism. Most of the problems and expense can be traced back to the government. There are many reasons for this, but it's too complex of a topic to get into here.
Look, I don't have anything against Sweden, but I think they, like all Socialist countries, will eventually go down in flames as people who have good intentions attempt to redistribute the limited resources of a few to pay for the unlimited desires of the many.
Consider the following:
"The compelling issue to both conservatives and liberals is not whether it is legitimate for government to confiscate one's property to give to another, the debate is over the disposition of the pillage."-
Walter Williams
That's right! The bureaucrats who actually dole out the money would ultimately control the spending.
What is the obsession with everyone wanting the government to pay for everything? Has no one figured out that all government money comes from (is extorted from) the taxpayer? Why not have the government provide everyone with a house? a car? food? clothing? Those are all important! Entertainment is important, too, so "free" movie passes for everyone! Free vacations! Why, fiber-optic 10GB broadband to every home is a basic human right!
So you want to become a official Sponsored Software Developer? Describe the proposed project on form FSDF-11/a (in triplicate). Show us a copy of your software development license. Be ready for your quarterly code inspection. Do you have the proper number of minorities working on that project?
-Sigh- I so wish Socialism had died with the Soviet Union...
I had not really considered the equal protection ammendment, so you are probably right. I tend to focus on the main body of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and I'm not as familiar with the rest of it as I should be. I know one of the justices cited the XIV'th amendment during the recent sodomy law case. 'Course, I think some of the amendments have done nothing but screw up the Constitution. One that comes to mind is the one that made Senators elected by popular vote rather than being appointed by the state legislatures. (Wanna know why I think this was a mistake?) Also, the income tax amendment effectively gave the federal government unlimited funding and thus unlimited power.
Yep. I'm in Alabama too and I remember this law (it also outlawed nude dancing, which killed one of my new hobbies - watching the dancing, not doing it myself:-) I think the law was tossed out, but not for the reasons it should have been.
The AG (Bill Pryor - who is currently a Bush nominee for a federal judgeship) made that ridiculous "no constitutional right" statement even though Alabama has the following beautiful section:
SECTION 35
Objective of government.
That the sole object and only legitimate end of government is to protect the citizen in the enjoyment of life, liberty, and property, and when the government assumes other functions it is usurpation and oppression.
If obtaining sex toys isn't "enjoyment of life, liberty, and property," I don't know what is!
Actually, a strict interpretation of the US Constitution says the "Congress shall make no law...". That means the federal government cannot regulate speech. It says nothing about the states themselves passing laws regulating speech. However, if you read the Texas state constitution (I haven't), I'd bet there is a clause or amendment asserting free speech within it.
(Whoops! I can't bet... I'm in a state where gambling is illegal. The thing I find most obscene are so called "victimless crime" laws.)
There was a woman who sold adult novelties driving through Texas (I think it was Texas). She had something like 17 dildos in her back seat (maybe they were samples or something). A cop pulled her over and noticed them. She was arrested and charged with felony obscenity!
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Cool! I still use as scratch disks some of the 50-odd disks I used to download the SLS distribution back in '93 or '94. Some of them are still labeled "SLS X3" or "SLS N2" or somesuch. I was just wondering the other day if these old distributions had been saved somewhere for historical curiosity.
I still remember a good part of a Saturday I spend at work using four machines to format, ftp, and copy floppies. As I would finish starting an operation on the fourth machine, the first one would just be finished, so I'd repeat the cycle. I have to say downloading an ISO image today is much easier!
I'm sorry, I think it a very good analogy. You have said nothing to convince me otherwise. How strong the security is of the house or the server is not the issue. The issue is that this guy is essentially guilty of "breaking and entering", regardless of his intent. Also, it doesn't really matter whether they found him or he notified them himself, what he did was wrong. Now, if he did the equivalent of "jiggling the lock" without going in and told them "did you know your door is unlocked", that might be a different issue. But from what I heard, he penetrated deeper into the system than that.
It's also irrelevant what's inside that he found. Using the house analogy again, it wouldn't matter whether you had dirty socks or the crown jewels in your dresser drawers, if I was even in the house then I have committed a crime.
Granted the FBI, prosecutors and the courts will probably go overboard, such as keeping him away from phones, etc.
I'll also admit that the NY Times should secure sensitive information. But I still don't believe that gives anyone the right to engage in "vigilante good-samaritanism".
I used one of my "throwaway" email addresses the other day to post to a web site. It only took two days for me to get one of the Nigerian spams to the address...
Well, if you're offended, GO THE HELL AWAY!
I just create a new address on my domain host for each company I do business with (the address will have the company name in it). Then, if I ever get spam to the address, I can prove who let my email address out. If it keeps getting spammed, I just block that email address.
My previous post was associated with the wrong posting. It was supposed to be in response to the AC who said it was the sysadmins fault.
Wrong. If I have a relatively simple lock to pick on my front door (like Kwikset locks are reputed to be) is the burglar who picks the lock somehow not responsible because the lock was easy to pick?
Some of us who have to work for a living also have to administrate the machines we use as our other full time job. Just because we don't spend all the extra time tracking every goddamn security flaw in Windows and installing the endless stream of patches, is it somehow no longer the virus writing bastard's fault?
My thoughts exactly! Besides, does anyone believe the puppet masters at Microsoft are going to allow them to let up on the FUD just yet? They need to drag this out a little longer so the so-called "expert industry analysts" can "caution" IT departments about deploying Linux.
SCO needs to be renamed back to Caldera. That will describe them better after IBM's legion of lawyers gets through with them (i.e., a large smoking crater in the ground).
It's too bad the management of SCO is still going to come out of this with a lot of money after selling off their inflated stock. I pity the fools who are actually *buying* it from them. (Oh, crap! I hope none of the mutual funds in my 401-K are buying it!)
Well RedHat decided what they thought was best by morphing KDE and Gnome into each other. This is exactly why I stopped using RedHat.
I think choice is great. With Windows you have no choice. (Well, you can set some preferences -- and I change almost all of them from the default).
60 something percent is running Linux (and I assume Apache). Who the hell is still going to be running Windows with IIS???
Hmmm... I've seen several Fieros on the side of the road burning. The early ones had a problem with that. (Yes, I have one too :-)
So how the hell do you not notice a firetruck (presumably with lights flashing) bearing down on you? If the injury had been worse, we'd have a candidate for a Darwin award!
I saw a whole truckload of them shortly after they came out. I remember thinking they were really cool at the time. ('course I was about 12 at the time).
I think I've also seen *the* Back to the Future DeLorean on the back lot during the Universal Studios tour. It was parked in a parking lot with a lot of other cars near what I suppose is their automotive shop. The tour guide never mentioned it, so that makes me think it may have even been the real thing.
At the risk of killing my DSL connection, here is a photo I took of it. We were almost past it before I got my camera out and pointed in the right direction :-(
Wouldn't it be cool if all the linux users went to their local courthouses and filed a claim against SCO in small claims court. Not sure what to file for... I don't think you can sue someone for extortion in small claims court. But the idea of them having to defend against thousands of small lawsuites is interesting.
Well, if the pack of criminals we have as legislators here in Alabama were to select our senators, I'm not sure it would be a good thing. In general I'm a believer in states rights (remember, I'm from Alabama!). I see many of our problems today being cause by usurpation of power by the federal government. However I don't advocate a return to the government under the Articles.
As I mentioned, I think states themselves having some control over part of the Congress was an important check, if not as important as, say, the presidential veto.
I've wavered back and forth over the electoral college thing. I tend to think it is a good thing after the 2000 election fiasco. If I remember the numbers correctly, the percentage difference in the national total votes between Bush and Gore was actually less than the percentage difference between them in Florida. If we had had popular election in place then, the recounting would have gone on forever and would have been done nation-wide. So, while it might not be the most fair system, it at least means we decide who the president is in a somewhat timely fashion.
And hacking up people usually kills them. The children usually taste better with ketchup.
If you like target shooting, then shooting can be used to reduce stress, which is good.
Hehe... that's funny, we Alabamians say the same thing about Mississippi :-)
Ok. The constitution is filled with all sorts of checks and balances. Many of these we are all familiar with. Having the legislatures appoint the Senators was also an important check. While the House is directly elected by the people and directly represents them (hence the name), the Senate was to represent the states. If the federal government tried to grab too much power and usurp the states' rights, they could call their individual senators to the carpet. After the change, though, the states have no direct control over the federal governemnt. Their only choice is to go through the courts.
As long as the pitching in is voluntary. It's when it becomes mandatory that I have a problem with it.
So when 50 percent or more decide it's ok steal from their neighbors to fund their pet project, it's ok? It's not charity if it's at the point of a gun.
Socialists like to point to the American health care system as failure of the capitalist system. The American healt care system is hardly a proper model of capitalism. Most of the problems and expense can be traced back to the government. There are many reasons for this, but it's too complex of a topic to get into here.
Look, I don't have anything against Sweden, but I think they, like all Socialist countries, will eventually go down in flames as people who have good intentions attempt to redistribute the limited resources of a few to pay for the unlimited desires of the many.
Consider the following:
That's right! The bureaucrats who actually dole out the money would ultimately control the spending.
What is the obsession with everyone wanting the government to pay for everything? Has no one figured out that all government money comes from (is extorted from) the taxpayer? Why not have the government provide everyone with a house? a car? food? clothing? Those are all important! Entertainment is important, too, so "free" movie passes for everyone! Free vacations! Why, fiber-optic 10GB broadband to every home is a basic human right!
So you want to become a official Sponsored Software Developer? Describe the proposed project on form FSDF-11/a (in triplicate). Show us a copy of your software development license. Be ready for your quarterly code inspection. Do you have the proper number of minorities working on that project?
-Sigh- I so wish Socialism had died with the Soviet Union...
I had not really considered the equal protection ammendment, so you are probably right. I tend to focus on the main body of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and I'm not as familiar with the rest of it as I should be. I know one of the justices cited the XIV'th amendment during the recent sodomy law case. 'Course, I think some of the amendments have done nothing but screw up the Constitution. One that comes to mind is the one that made Senators elected by popular vote rather than being appointed by the state legislatures. (Wanna know why I think this was a mistake?) Also, the income tax amendment effectively gave the federal government unlimited funding and thus unlimited power.
Yep. I'm in Alabama too and I remember this law (it also outlawed nude dancing, which killed one of my new hobbies - watching the dancing, not doing it myself :-) I think the law was tossed out, but not for the reasons it should have been.
The AG (Bill Pryor - who is currently a Bush nominee for a federal judgeship) made that ridiculous "no constitutional right" statement even though Alabama has the following beautiful section:
If obtaining sex toys isn't "enjoyment of life, liberty, and property," I don't know what is!Actually, a strict interpretation of the US Constitution says the "Congress shall make no law...". That means the federal government cannot regulate speech. It says nothing about the states themselves passing laws regulating speech. However, if you read the Texas state constitution (I haven't), I'd bet there is a clause or amendment asserting free speech within it.
(Whoops! I can't bet... I'm in a state where gambling is illegal. The thing I find most obscene are so called "victimless crime" laws.)
There was a woman who sold adult novelties driving through Texas (I think it was Texas). She had something like 17 dildos in her back seat (maybe they were samples or something). A cop pulled her over and noticed them. She was arrested and charged with felony obscenity!